We also need to deal with the McCain Of The Moment. The guy who said one thing six months ago and says nearly its opposite now. Who knows what he'll say in another six months?
As disturbing as his obvious mental lapses might be, McCain's bizarre policy flip-flops make Daffy Duck look positively stolid in comparison, especially because they have come in many cases in which he has made himself a national reputation. Things like torture and campaign finance ethics.
And this is especially the case with immigration. The co-author of the Kennedy-McCain Immigration Act -- which, comparatively speaking, took a moderate approach to immigration reform -- McCain is now saying that he wouldn't even vote for it today, let alone co-author it:
In a March 24 New York Times online piece, reporter Adam Nagourney stated that aides to Sen. John McCain "are beginning to see a general election upside ... to the problems that Mr. McCain's support of immigration legislation caused him in the primaries." But Nagourney did not report that McCain in fact reacted to those perceived "problems" by abandoning his own comprehensive immigration reform proposal during his campaign for the Republican nomination, saying that he would no longer support it if it came up for a vote in the Senate. McCain now says that "we've got to secure the borders first" -- a position at odds with his prior assertion that border security could not be disaggregated from other aspects of comprehensive immigration reform without being rendered ineffective. The Times itself reported on McCain's reversal on immigration in a March 3 article by reporter Elisabeth Bumiller, which stated that McCain has "meandered over the years from position to position on some topics, particularly as he has tried to court the conservatives who have long distrusted him." The article noted in particular that McCain "moved from his original position on immigration" and "went so far at a debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in January to say that if his original proposal came to a vote on the Senate floor, he would not vote for it."
Media Matters further notes that McCain's utter transience on the issue included "conceding" at one of the presidential debates that he would vote against the bill today (see the video above), when only three days earlier he had said he would sign it into law as president.
In fact, we were witness to this flip-flop on immigration as far back as last November:
John McCain spent months earlier this year arguing that the United States must combine border security efforts with a temporary worker program and an eventual path to citizenship for many illegal immigrants.
Now, the Republican presidential candidate emphasizes securing the borders first. The rest, he says, is still needed but will have to come later.
"I understand why you would call it a, quote, shift," McCain told reporters Saturday after voters questioned him on his position during back-to-back appearances in this early voting state. "I say it is a lesson learned about what the American people's priorities are. And their priority is to secure the borders."
That's right: John McCain was for humane, comprehensive immigration reform before he was against it.
When we begin talking about McCain's positions on issues, we're going to need to ask: Which McCain are you talking about? The one who was talking a few months or weeks ago? Or the one who's running for president as a Republican? Or the one who plans to be president next year? Which McCain, which moment?
Unfortunately, I suspect that very few folks in the media will be explaining the difference to us.
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So! Breaking news!
Don Siegelman set free on appeal!
MSNBC reporting: Seigelman released!
OT Alabama Sieglgman just got out on appeal just what convinced the judge to piss off Karl?
Somethings simply cannot be understood this side of heaven.
Yowza Dwags!!!
The wingnuts are going nuts!
Siegelman released from jail as case pends appeal. Appellate court orders it over the presiding judge.
Abrams is leading with this we are getting coverage!
Don Siegleman to be set free per court of appeals in Georgia!!! Ya. Now go get the dufus behind it Karl Rove
Fan F*cking Tastic.
Would this have happened without Scott Horton and 60 minutes?
I wonder.
OT: Siegelman freed pending appeal by an Alabama court! This per Dan Abrams show.
This must be one of those activicist” judges the Bushwackers want to remove.
PS link behind Roves name is Scort Horton’s write up of it
Should be a one for one swap
Siegelman foe Rove
apologies to David Neiwert who obviously put time and effort into the post, but the Siegleman case is big and immediate.
Now to read the post.
David, McCain is doing his best to emulate the Mittster… He was against torture before he was for it… He was against Lobbyists’ before he hired ‘em… He was… ;-)
Gee guys, the Siegelman release info has been out since mid-day.
McCain is just saying what his handlers say the people want to hear in order to get elected, and then he is the new Neocon King. Yeah, right.
my guess is that it is one of the judges Bushco appointed who actually beleives in the rule of law.
one of their fuck-ups :)
Amen! Abrams says that the Appelate Court believes there’s a good chance the conviction would be overturned on appeal. Yay!
I don’t think immigration is something to focus on.The occupation and the economy are going to be more relevant this cycle.
Yes, I am confused. Is he against torture first then for it, or was he for it then against it?
Not all of us have been anywhere near the news since mid-day. I just got home from meetings. And it is great news that I’m happy to hear and celebrate.
a Bushco fuck-up. didn’t vet him well enough.
McCain stands for unbridled, desperate ambition for office.
Nothing else.
Hmmm - reminds me of someone else…
Which way is the wind blowing…? ;-)
Siegelman, Spitzer…now they are after the Governor of PR. W said that all he governors need to Repukes….
I’m glad that Siegelman will have a chance now..but who knows.
RevDeb! Celebrate! If I were there I would buy you at least a couple of rounds! It is good that he got sprung and it will be a burr under Bush’s saddle. If he had a saddle.
I’m really beginning to wonder if McSame has the same thing that St. Ronnie had and that’s why he needs his minders—JoeLie and Lindsey at his side at all times. Off the teleprompter he is nothing. You’d be hard pressed to find anything that he is consistent on. Is he really all there?
Windy today out of the west. Typical spring windy day across the Colorado
Plateau.
poured myself a stinger before I turned on the news. So I was well prepared.
Evening Rev - I think we had this discussion last night…
Well have one for me too! *g*
David -
We will hear very little from MSM on McCain’s various immigration positions.
Trustworthy. Regardless of the issues or policies, is McCain trustworthy? No. You can’t be worthy of trust one day and not the next. That defines untrustworthy. A person who is untrustworthy is also treacherous.
The pundits will say nothing or at best feign concern while they are reviewing the next topic to push.
He was against it while it was happening to him, now he’s not so sure.
This is good for a laugh or two…
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/.....-treasure/
Even our old war criminals are bailing on Bushco.
5 Ex-Chief Diplomats: Close Guantanamo
Please! I’m eating……
Some treasures should remain buried.
Is it a conversation that can be overdone?
Just asking. Last night I had to teach a class. Not able to spend the time at the Lake that I used to. It’s really hard to keep caught up—so much happening. And most of the important stuff gets covered over by the poo flinging in the dem primary race.
Next thing, I suppose, is that we will be hearing from St. McSame that “a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”
No, on second thought, that’s too uppity for him.
My humble apologies…! ;-)
McInsane was for it before he was against it.
Are there any firepups attending the Texas District 25 Convention Saturday?My precinct is 3089. Reply and tell me your precinct number. I think Green Warrior is going. Maybe we can have a mini convention.
No, it can’t be emphasized enough. I think more and more of Sen. mcCain’s speeches and “just standing there” and confusion, and other performances should be broadcast as much as possible. Dr. Murphy was on - he made a lot of good points about McCain’s current behaviors. I think a LOT of attention should be paid in the media to this. He is NOT a well man.
Sometimes Graham can get it it right…
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/.....from-bush/
McCain seems all confused up on his pandering agenda.
His foreign affairs talk yesterday as a bizarre mix of ultra-Cheneyesque war mongering, and rock solid promise to deliver a third Cheney Bush term on Iraq, mixed in with some idealiatic drivel about more international cooperation. Problem is that it is hard to see how the two could possibly be compatible in any conceivable world full of normal human beings (as opposed to whatever inhabits the Cheney-Bush-McCain foreign policy univers).
How he is flipping on his relatively popular stand on immigration, just as he has the nomination wrapped up. But seems like it will cost him as among independents and not help with the wingnuts (being too little too late, too swift a panderverseal from this summer).
He apparently is also going to do a third Bush term on social security. His team is pumping out ies and BS identical Bush: trust fund doesn’t really exist, immediate crisis based on the idea that the hard earned money paid into the trust fund no longer exists because it is inconvenient for the government to pay it back. Also trying to push the absurd idea everyone has misunerstood the Greenspan reforms for last 25 years, which are now declared to not be reforms at all and to mean nothing at all.
Insane McCain has gone ultra supply side tax cut crazy, but his economic advisors are too honest or too daft to deny that his proposed tax cuts will increase the deficit for shorr and into medium turn.
he and his advisors are insane. Looks like he wants to bring the miracle we brought to Iraq back home to the US, without, one hope the invasion.
When do we start the e-mail, letter writing and phone call truth campaigns to put the corporate media on notice to stop the free ride. They have to tell the truth about the new disastrous insane incoherent and hyper-bogus Insane McCain.
What give hope that is that if the truth about ANY of his bizarre nutso ideas can be communicated to the voting public, that will be enough to damage his chances severely.
If the public knew they would have to sit through another four years of Bush BS on social security, the idea of just having to sit and listen to that dishonest innumerate illiterate garbage again, that would do severe damage to him.
Doc Kirk does think he might be suffering from PTSD… The DSMV-IV does point out many of the traits of PTSD that are very evident in McCain…!
I meant to type above:
“He and his advisors are insane. Looks like he wants to bring the miracle we brought to Iraq back home to the US, without, one hope WITHOUT the invasion.”
But who knows, the way he is going, maybe he will think that invading ourselves will be a popular idea.
He was personally tortured…now, he voted against banning waterboarding.
What a guy!!!
How do you treat PTSD that happened 40 years ago?
That’s the thing, republican voters need to keep being reminded why they don’t like McCain because he is not a true conservative, and is probably as liberal on many of their issues as any of the democratic candidates, thus they should stay home and not vote for him at all. I don’t know how to do this but this thread is a good example of how to start. Possibly a 527 of some sort could be effective if done to look like a republican far right 527. The MSM seems to be doing nothing but help to rally disenchanted republicans around McCain.
How could he not be?
That speech was plagarized too…! Any peep about that from the MSM…? Not a word! 8-(
He does and says what he’s told to.
Raven
Do people know when they have PTSD? Is it treatable?
by whom?
Sometimes it doesn’t surface for years. As my father aged many of his WWII traumas surfaced.
My step-dad who served with the 101st in Nam is still being treated for PTSD…! It’s a life-long affliction, and, the very first step is to acknowledge it…!
I think the senator is suffering from the cumulative effects of PTSD, torture, alcohol, taking too many hits to the head during this boxing days, and goodness knows what else from his cancer treatments. Plus, I don’t think he’s made his health records public, so there is no way to know anything about, for example, if he’s had anything like TIAs or any other events that could be effecting his brain function. As I recall, there was a video out there of his waiting to give a speech and his hands were shaking. That is NOT good.
Actually, I believe Think Progress has an update and it turns out, McCain was re-stating his own words from a speech he had given in ‘95 and if anything, the Admiral from whom folks thought McCain stole the words, plagiarized McCain.
Ummm…I think that he actually said the “glory” thingy in s 1995 speech…I don’t know about the other things he said. Just sayin’.
His handlers..advisors…and maybe even Rove.
Sometimes they do. One of the problems with the VA and treatment is that, upon diagnoses and the ensuing eligibility for benefits there is NO motivation to improve. If you get %100 disability it’s for life.
I love Carlin.
Think Progress on McCain speech
“When we begin talking about McCain’s positions on issues, we’re going to need to ask: Which McCain are you talking about? The one who was talking a few months or weeks ago? Or the one who’s running for president as a Republican? Or the one who plans to be president next year? Which McCain, which moment?
Unfortunately, I suspect that very few folks in the media will be explaining the difference to us.”
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IOKIYAR. Really that simple. Nearly all of the MSM have simply become “Court Composers.”
Anyone with a CIB (Combat Infantry Badge) can get, I think, %50 by just walking in the door. I’m not saying it’s not justified. My cousin the jar head is 63 and wakes up screaming all the time.
Heh, At least they’re capable of admitting their mistakes…! *g*
Yeah, it’s like buying a windows 98 dial-up.
Meanwhile WWII vets like my father are having their benefits cut because they had the audacity to live to damn long.
Actually, he was initially given a 30% rating, my Mom fought it for years and finally got it raised to 100%!
O/T - How will he ever manage to get by?
“The MSM seems to be doing nothing but help to rally disenchanted republicans around McCain.”
I think we have to take responsibility to do something ourselves. I think the corporate media will try to support McCain. But, even they will have a very hard time doing that, given how bizarre incoherent and self-contradictory McCain’s actual proposals are.
Another thing that give me hope is that I think recent events have proven that the corporate media will give into viewer pressure. Notice the recent swing in coverage due to pressure they received over very biased Clinton coverage, and the very rapid swing against Obama after the conventional wisdom became that Obama was their darling.
I think organizing a very aggressive McCain truth campaign against biased corporate media coverage will work. I am sure it will not produce good coverage, becaue the corporate media is incapable of that. It will just swing from one stupid viewpoint to another stupid viewpoint.
But a little truth about McCain will go a very long way towards sinking him, if his recent caompaign appearances are any guide.
McCain is our ally too. I noticed during the last GOP primary debates he is too pompous, or stupid, to not tell ridiculous and obivious lies, and sit and moronically badger and bully anyone who disagrees with him in a very unattractive way. Believe me, he will give us the rock solid evidence we need to bash the media when they try to cover for him.
A great thing that we have in our favor is, to repeat, that a little of the true McCain will go a long way in sinking the dude for good in the general election. Need to put huge, repeated and massive public pressure on corporat media to tell just a little of the truth -it will stick, I think.
Good, my buddy fought them for years as well. When he got his %100 he didn’t know what to do with himself for about a year.
It can be so random. My pop is almost 92. He just got a VA disability pension increase. And. they pay 100% of his nursing home cost (he’s had dementia for 6 years; I am now his legal guardian).
Is that based on the new “needs” based deal?
Damn man, hang tough there.
Been there.
I as well.
My Mom took the fight all the way to DC… Sadly, too many Vets can’t do that, and, why the f*ck does VA audit every decision…! 8-(
LOL. on the other hand, my mom is 86 and also in a nursing home. She’s private pay, to the tune of about 80 grand a year. I moved them both here to Vegas last year from Florida.
That’s why I took great pleasure in melting down in the local VA center.Fuckers lost my paperwork in a week. I was just trying to register and, because of my work, I don’t really need it right now. When the drone behind the counter told me he couldn’t find it I went off. There were all these folks sitting there who had to take the bullshit and I know they enjoyed it. People think the get “attacked” here, shit.
Scarey that — with McCain’s love of war in Iraq and Iran, his embrace of Bush policies, his intention to stay in Iraq, and his belief that tax breaks to people and companies at the top of the tax bracket is the way to solve our economic crisis — there are so many Americans who think he would be a good President!
His flip flops and lack of comprehension of what’s going on in the world are an added reason for concern.
No. He’s 85 and has medical needs. The “deal” is there are too many to care for and the system is overwhelmed. Thanks to bush not only will the current vets not recieve adequate care but those who’ve served in the past will be screwed as well.
The thing is, it’s life. There is no way out of being human. There is no escape from suffering. All beings ultimately suffer to some degree. Everything changes. All you can offer is compassion to yourself and every other living thing.
I think the stress of campaigning and having to mentally keep track of all the policy points has put McCain on a fast downhill slide. By the time any debates with the Dem. candidate comes around he will literally meltdown.
Amen, LS. Be kind as you can, and trust that someone will in turn show you kindness when you age and are infirm.
More war crimes under way in Iraq. Wikileaks releases generals memo about deplorable conditions in a jail is Fallujah.
-G
You wouldn’t believe the bullshit I routinely go through with all these assface bureaucrats — Medicare, SS, United Healthcare (pop’s AT&T retirement health plan), Tricare for Life, Allstate, Prudential. The VA has actually been the easiest for me. It took 6 months to get my dad’s transfer auth’ed, but most of the VA peeps were very helpful.
And when he does meltdown the Repugs will be stuck with him and there will be no hiding it.
I went to the VA Tuesday & the Doctor had to take my vitals. I was amazed, not only by his dedication but by the fact that one nurse was working four Doctors.
But these are the exactly the kind of “Entitlements” that will have to be trimmed in order to regain financial balance in teh best interests of the economy. Just watch.
“So?”
- Shooter
I hope they’ll pat McCain down for any devices prior to the debates, considering HoJo won’t be there to correct him…! 8-)
From the note regarding the Fallujah jail:
The note describes “unbelievable overcrowding, total lack of anything approaching even minimal levels of hygiene for human beings, no food, little water, no ventilation,” and says, “There is zero support from the (Iraqi) government for any of the jails in Anbar. No funds, food or medical support has been provided from any ministry.”
Freedom!
-G
You know I kept hearing how much things had improved and when they opened this mini-center close by I thought, WTF may as well register. I’m just a raggedy ass remf nam vet with nothing but show up buttons so I’d be way down on the list anyway but, goddamn. . .
Love you Raven. I hope you’re not so mad at me, because I said something that hurt you in any way…I’m “sure” you weren’t referring to me in any case…I just want you to know that I take everything you say as valid and the truth. Just sayin’
Sorry, I had to say that. Sometimes I meltdown here.
Nah, wse’re cool, ain’t nothin but a thang.
namaste
Noooo… Not a Remf! ;-)
:)
OT: 10% of dems believe Obama is a muslim.
How the fuck does this happen? I mean really. Fuck!
Yup, except now anyone “in country” is a combat vet. I just drove trucks up and down the shitty dirt roads in the delta. Course you’d never know that about 70% of Nam vets were remf’s. Everygoddamnbody was a point man, no slack, no drag, just thousands of dudes side by side on point.
Mr. Magoo vows to fight political corruption.
-G