Digby spotlighted an article from Naomi Klein and Jeremy Scahill yesterday that deserves a much, much wider read. Digby concludes her piece thusly:
The netroots chose not to do that and it seems to me we are way too invested in our chosen candidates to try to leverage our support now. But Klein and Scahill, both very fine writers and thinkers, believe it’s still possible for the anti-war movement to affect how these candidates deal with Iraq and if that’s the case then it may be worth a try. We’ve got an eternity before the next primary and just about every insult has been hurled and every paean has been written. Perhaps we could set aside our differences long enough to try to encourage our congresspeople to sign on to The Responsible Plan and make sure the Democratic presidential candidates don’t waffle on Iraq when the heat is on?
I’ve written this before and I’m sure I’ll do it again:
President Franklin Roosevelt recognized that his ability to push New Deal legislation through Congress depended on the pressure generated by protesters. He once told a group of activists who sought his support for legislation, "You’ve convinced me. Now go out and make me do it."
We don’t help our cause or our candidates by failing to "make them do it." It’s our end of the deal.
I’m with Digby. The squabbling and petty personal crap has got to stop. From top to bottom, it has to stop, especially from the campaigns.
Sometimes, a reminder of why I got more politically involved can help me through a rough patch when I’m sick and tired of all the crap. It is worth a pause to contemplate why the continued work on certain issues must be done, for ourselves and every generation that follows. What the craven, self-serving set wants is disharmony and discontent, because that serves their KStreet/consultant/ego/crony perpetuation. I’ll be damned if I’m going to help them keep that going, and none of you should do so either. So take a moment this morning and think about what matters to you politically — and why working on it is so important to you. If you feel like it, share your thoughts in the comments — you might inspire someone else who needs it.
Also worth contemplating is how to keep that interest going with folks who are just now beginning to pay attention — how do we encourage active participation in government among the young, the exhausted and the apathetic? No easy answers there.
But right now, we are throwing away our own voices to a discordant cacophony over…what? And the issues which get right to the heart of who we are, who we ought to be, and where we ought to be going get shuffled under — which only helps the presidential and congressional candidates ignore them as they continue to barrel down the campaign highway full speed. We talk endlessly about how disappointed we are in our political leadership, how they have failed us by failing to lead when we most need them to do so…when what we need to do is turn that question right back at ourselves.
One very hopeful sign this year has been the enormous surge of participation of younger voters — with voters turning out in record numbers in Democratic primaries nationwide. What this could mean, if it translates into votes in the fall, is an opportunity for substantial change from the local to the state up through the federal races. Meaning an enormous opportunity to put progressive, thoughtful people in office to begin the desperately needed work.
But only if we put the issues that matter to all of us ahead of the silly squabbles.
What we should give the Beltway? A united front. An unbending demand for something better. And a wholesale push for the hard work to be done. We should settle for nothing less — because we deserve better than we have been getting — and giving — for the last few years. And we bear responsibility for that as much as anyone else. We must demand better, from ourselves and from the people we elect…or we will never get it.
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Morning all — after a run out to renew my car license tags in the pouring rain this morning, I’m ready to settle in with a fresh cuppa tea and some conversation. How is everyone?
I’ve got huddled, dripping birdies on the feeder, and a very contented cat purring at them nearby.
The field of candidates for president reminds me of the John Glenn quip about sitting on a rocket booster built by the lowest bidder. How did it shake out to this sorry lot? The lock on the political process the two-party has should be broken. Quay-hi!
The “squabbling and petty crap,” is generated almost 100 percent by Clinton and her triangulating supporters.
Clinton needs to drop out of the race. She may not realize it but if she continues like that, she and her husband will destroy the democratic party. She cannot win the election because the only way she can win the nomination is a back-room “Super-delegate” deal, and if that happens, all the new, young voters Obama has attracted are going to say “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss,” and stay home.
I’m an old fart and if that happens, *I’m* staying home. I’m tired of the triangulating Clintons, feeding at the same trough of Saudi oil that the Bush criminal empire has been doing for the better part of 100 years. Time to end the dynasties.
we have sunshine and 40 degrees…good morning…i want a dem nominee already
Good Morning everyone….
the weather folks keep saying that we might hit 90 this week. My easter lily is blooming like crazy…. 10 years in a row of blooming at easter… how does it know?
Morning, Christy. That sounds comfortable. You’re a jewel. Stay well.
Corporate media is the main player in fueling the non-issue related nastiness. Unfortunatley the Clinton’s seem to be too comfortable with this dynamic.
Real change, whether in Iraq or Health care or economic will be sabotaged by corporate media at every crossroads.
It’s a huge uphill struggle but there is no alternative.
was just reading at Kos,that Sen. Clinton took much credit for the family leave act,when it was Chris Dodd who actually did the deed
Oh Christy, Beautifully put.
Things are just so tense and I know it just helps Bush Co and the other Rats when we fight among ourselves, so I’m going to spend the next couple of hours with my kids, because THAT is why I fight and what it is all about and for..
CHS:
Sort of an action alert in connection with yesterday’s McCain posting.
Here is a Washington Post editorial today about the FEC “stalemate”, “Scandal in the Making“.
Is the “scandal” John McCain’s? Well, no, of course. Here’s what they say about him:
Demand better. Do better. Has a lovely ring to it, Christy.
Wonderful post. Y’know yesterday on CNN I saw Obama start to give an answer in Greensboro to a woman’s question on home healthcare for seniors and those with disabilities…only to have CNN cut away to their anchor of the hour to start parsing what he’d said earlier on the Wright thing. Talk about a wasted moment by CNN.
And I vented here about it. But I didn’t pay it forward as I should have by contacting CNN. My bad. Especially because that question spoke so directly to issues our own family is facing.
Matt Taibbi had some great comments this a.m. on Imus about the pack mentality of the media and what drives it. One way we can start to impact that is to keep thanking them when they’re good and criticizing–constructively–when they are not.
He has a book coming out that got a mention, and I have no clue if it’s at all relevant to Salon, but I think he’d be a fascinating guest worth considering.
Hi Christy. We just need to keep asking them about the issues that matter. When the train stops in your town, ask them. Ignore media outlets that are focusing on trivia. Ignore the surrogates. Resist the temptation to weigh in on each charge or countercharge. It’s easier said than done, I know, but I think it’s the best way out of the feedback loop.
Lets bring back government regulation because the GOP is against it. Because I want to buy cat food without worrying what the Chinese put in it. I want meat inspectors to keep downer cows out of my hamburger! I want our solders in Iraq to have helmets with enough Kevlar threads!
I want our government to act like they have a plan. Besides Caveat Emptor and lets get rich off of the Tax Payers money!
Digby makes a great point and I’m reminded of the very positive effect that Edwards had on the campaign. He clearly moved the frame of reference to the left on serious policy issues. Obama and Hillary are vapor-locked right now and not painting the serious disaster a McSame presidency would be for this country. Each of them knows that they will get the lefty vote so they have no reason to speak to us directly. We need to keep reminding them that we are here and we won’t tolerate Broder-like pandering to the right wing.
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs -
Christy – The Responsible Plan – signed on by Major General Paul Eaton (Ret) – he was at the Take Back America conference – did you meet him or hear him speak ?
yesterday the farmer next door told me he would have to sellhis cattle about 150 head…i was so sad…just knew he voted for booooshie/chimp…HE BELIEVED all the media liesabout little chimp…sad for HIM…sad for ALL of us…F-U corporate media
Commander Noodle Nuts is about to smirk his way through another session of fear mongering.
-G
your kitty isn’t watching the Animal Planet
I’ve been thinking back to that video clip I posted what seems like eons ago with John Edwards and the fellow in Virginia, James Lowe, who finally got an operation for his cleft pallette after being silent for 50 years. We must do better. For all our sakes…
The Saturday after the FISA vote in the house I told my AZ Congressman Harry Mitchell personally that I appreciated his vote to keep my 4th amendment right….
In Costco….. Mitchell was pushing the shopping cart with his wife at his side…. Trying not to intrude on their time….. I did a thumbs up and said FISA, he nodded and we went on with our shopping.
Good morning Christy and thanks for a great post. Needed sayin. I’ve had enough of the shit to last for 3 or 4 election cycles.
CHS and other firepups,
Before emptywheel and firedoglake I felt alone in the red wilderness with no one listening. This community gives me hope and drives me to actions such as confronting my Senator Grassley with the Bear Stearns ripoff yesterday in person… and demanding action.
Together we are a potent force, divided we feed the KKKarl Rovian mission to marginalize our power.
Strong Progressive Caucus!
He wasn’t there that I saw, but they had some video of him talking about the plan from a pre-taped interview that I think is available on YouTube if you do a search?
Good morning CHS Yep read that article and was impressed with the thinking. They are right once the “campaign” is over we are all but chaff. Of course a decent, sensible debate between the candidates instead of the silly MSM crap would be of enormous benefit. Maybe some of the issues that we care about could be discussed instead of the regular pablum questions and sound bite answers.
FWIW, our moran dear leader Chimpy is flapping his gums live on CSPAN1
my BIG kitty Harry…loves the song..animail,animail,hot diggity dog its animail! ‘G”
It’s obvious based on what’s left that neither Obama or Clinton are going to go into the convention with the votes to win. Obama will be leading with popular vote delegates, but not by much. This we can reasonably assume.
Hillary will continue to write the GOP talking points for November.
Obama will get more and more negative.
I think it’s time for the Superdelegates to settle this before the party tears itself apart to the great benefit of the GOP.
Boxturtle (Because that’s what’s going to happen anyway, lets get it over with)
BRAVO sir!
In my entry yesterday in a contest to be at a small dinner with Obama, I said that for the past several years, saving the country and the world has been my second job, and that was only half in jest.
That’s why I fight. None of us are Superman, but maybe together we can be.
I love that. Thanks!
Speakin’ of Animal Planet…ever seen those oceanic shows, where the swarm of small fish all move together in one teeming mass and outwit the predators? Netroots are the teeming mass of small fish….we do best when we work together.
You confronted Grassley in person about the Bear Stearns bailout? Great work, Jim!
Good morning.
I ain’t awake yet but I finally won the struggle to get this story DUGG.
McClatchy had proposed a Super Delegate convention after all the primaries…. get them in the same room, have each candidate make their pitch on WHY they should be the nominee and then have them vote in June… then we can be focused to take down McBush…
Madman Bush:
“Airmen delivered justice to Al Qaeda’s Zarqawi in the form of two 500 pound bombs.”
-G
Christy, I have always been impressed with your clear thinking and ability to cut to the chase. This is one of the reasons I read and support this blog every day. Excellent article, thank you.
And a second player is the tension between old school machine politics and the emerging netroots/populist politics. Old school is very comfortable with broadcast media; they cut their teeth on it, are comfortable with pushing their viewpoints.
But the “new school” is rediscovering the need for human interaction and communication in politics; this was the source of union’s power way back in the earliest days of labor organization as they met over kitchen tables. We aren’t meeting over kitchen tables alone, any longer; we are meeting over our laptops on blogs like this one, person to person, group to group. It’s organic and often unpredictable, making the old school very uncomfortable.
We need to recognize that some of the tension we see is reflective of this generational shift, not unlike the middle-aged parent and the teenager butting heads. The teen-ager is now become adult and a mature entity in its own right and the parent must now let go. It’s important that we as the newly matured entity in this scenario figure out how to inform the oldsters that we’ve arrived and we still love them anyhow if we’re going to remain a family going forward.
i speak up,at 1)the produce dept,2) gas pump,and 3) milk dept of grocery store…people have lots to say
Small issues at http://youthinkleft.com/ last year we got into a big argument about abortion and I got my but kicked a few times because I hadn’t thought about those issues since I was in high school and junior college.
Abortion, Gun Control, NAFTA, etc there are a lot of small issues that I know I haven’t thought about because I’m so focused on Bush the War and the economy.
But if we win in November well then just what do we want and why?
We NEED TO PLAN
Well, credit where credit is due, Digby was my catalyst on this one. That Roosevelt quote is a keeper…
Knock Knock.
who’s there/
CandyGram For George Bush………
i saw the 2 part series on Frontline…there are NO more lies…period
Look at the recent updates of Icasualties.org and listen to this callow and rotten man, Bush, brag about how great a success his Iraq fiasco has turned out.
He’s fvcking nuts.
-G
I have been following this closely and I have a question. When Hillary announced that she is throwing the kitchen sink at Obama and has proceeded to do so, what should he do?
He took the highroad on Rev Wright, He has spoken on policy . All the media wants is scandal and Hillary is using this to her advantage.
In this day and age what should he have done? Saying nothing isnt an option.
Someone say plan?
It seems to me that the big issues facing the nation have to do with our economy. The post from Robert Johnson discussed the potential disasters we face if the financial people that got us into this mess are allowed to fix it. We really don’t have much choice, because as a group, the left doesn’t have many people with a good reputation in the financial community, the kind that could propose the necessary changes with authority and force.
The problem is compounded by the business background of most judges, which means that enforcement of financial laws, both criminal and civil, are handicapped.
Years ago, I did securities law enforcement, and I knew some of this stuff. I am trying to teach myself the current situation, and I am learning that business reporting is a cut above political reporting.
I think we need to focus the attention of our legislators on civil enforcement rules that have been gutted by courts. There is nothing like watching the likes of Angelo Mozillo walk off with millions and millions of dollars while the shareholders and mortgagees and mortgage holders all lose money to remind people that jail has a real deterrent effect on white collar criminals.
Absolutely, Rayne — it certainly makes a number of the Beltway Brahmins supremely uncomfortable. Especially when you are discussing with them why what they are doing is not working well… *g*
Gotta git it done fer the kids, fer the next seven generations!
I’ll only be concerned if the superdelegates don’t end it in June. Another month and a half of the back-and-forth isn’t good, but the engagement of primary voters and building campaign infrastructure and volunteer base in the remaining primary states is, so I think at worst it’s a wash. But once the primaries are over, the supers are idiots if they don’t declare and effectively end this. I hope they’re not idiots, but that remains to be seen.
It helped that I had a quote supplied by the progressive blogosphere where He and Baucus(D- Montana) had sent a letter to Treasury Sec Paulson and the other principals wanting to know the implcations of the 29:1 buyout for taxpayers. I used his own words to spur action and will followup with an e-mail this AM.
The synergy of the blogs gives each one more power. Together, we win. Keeping together may be a rocky road from time to time, but we must always be mindful of the direction we want to go.
I don’t think we can wait until after the primaries. The progressive blogosphere is eating itself and Hillary and Obama are eating each other. I have no hope that Hillary will take the high road in her campaign ads and Obama is going to start responding harder than he is now. Not good.
I’d like to see the supers declare BEFORE the Penn primary. And stick with what they declare. And change the rules for next election to eliminate them and go by popular vote or such.
Boxturtle (I’d also like a brand new Cessna 182, but that ain’t happening either)
Funny, that. Chimpy may be flapping his gums on CSPAN1, but CNBC hasn’t flipped away.
Apparently the wealthy class don’t need him.
Posted comment and link to Washington Post FEC editorial, but it didn’t show up.
hmm Obama more negative? Examples of present negatives that will get worse?
In order to move the party where we would like it to be necessitates that the party be unified and strong. Right now, we are just exposing our juggular to the repugs and it churns my stomach given that this constant silliness is going to ensure that none of what we want to get done gets done.
chimp- “iraqi muthas want their children to grow up in peace just as amurikan muthas do”
funny that. just now heard a young senator from Illinois on the teevee talking about it, equally important he sounded as if he was speaking to adults and not fearful nine year olds – wonder how that’s working out for him *g*
Sign up for the new DNC neighborhood-leader program when it rolls out in your state. It’s gonna be cool.
exactly
Look at the donors who are questioning Pelosi, They are not us. They are all multi-millionaires and a good number of them slept in the Lincoln bedroom.
Obama isnt Washington and he is going up against the head of the Dem party. It is to our credit that he is doing so well.
I don’t necessarily have a big problem with this, but here are my questions.
If April , May and June are too late to have contested primaries, why were these imporatnat state primaries scheduled then?
If August is too late to select a nominee, why was the convention scheduled then?
I don’t think there is an easy answer on that one, either. It’s tough to know in this incredibly supercharged and personal environment how any note you try to sound is going to hit people. Things that I never thought would be the least bit problematic have rung sour from both candidates, and things that I have found utterly jarring don’t even register at times — all the way through this primary from way back in November/December of last year.
It’s a really difficult situation, and one that I think the Obama camp is being cautious about — but how can you know whether, ultimately, caution is the right move? I thought Edwards was being too cautious in his responses any number of times, and that ended up not serving him in the end. But what the Clinton camp is doing isn’t exactly helpful either, now is it?
What BT said yesterday about not screwing with the Democratic/liberal brand ought to be Dem nominee 101. Yet here we are…and I’ve had just about enough from all sides, including especially the media and their fawning McCain coverage.
someone said yesterday, that if this were an election and the numbers were as they are, it would have been called by now.
Hillary cant win by the numbers. The rest of the primaries dont matter.
What it boils down to (imo) is that some people are never satisfied, no matter what it is you do or say.
Anyway, the gist is they predictably avoid one dimension of the “Scandal in the Making.” Here’s all they have to say about McCain:
It begs Letters to the Editor.
Good Morning.
The irony is that the policy differences between Obama and Clinton are relatively slight – hence the lack of substantive talk about issues to differentiate between the two of them but rather discussion of who would fare better against John McCain and simultaneous efforts to make sure that one’s candidate is the correct answer, usually involving trying to make the other candidate do worse.
What a waste of time.
I think knowing what we stand for, and why either Obama or Clinton would be light years ahead of McCain in supporting our ideals is key – and, of course, the willingness to hold feet to the fire to make sure they do what they ought to.
yup
Any religious reference is bad in my opinion. Those of us who are atheists are offended by continued bandying about of religious symbolism.
Hi Redd–
That was a breath of fresh air. I too am sick of all the shit from the candidates and their supporters. As long as it continues, I will stay uninvolved in both campaigns.
General Odierno flew over Baghdad last month and saw 180 soccer games going on!
-G
The thing is, she’s trying to use it to her advantage, but it isn’t really working. The high road does seem to have countered it pretty well; it hurt him a little, but we don’t even know yet if that’s permanent or just a blip.
Attacks always raise your own negatives; you only do them if you think they’ll raise your opponent’s negatives more. From some of the polling I saw on Countdown last night, the Clinton attacks haven’t done that to Obama, and since her negatives are already higher than his, it would be harder for that calculus to work. The most important thing if you’re ahead is not to undermine your own positive message.
The Obama campaign doesn’t always do what I think they should, but based on the results, they really seem to know what they’re doing. (No Mark Penns on this side.)
The soccer surge is working!!!1!
and no shades of gray evah…its either good or bad…ends the disscussion lickety- split
Soccer was “invented” by the romans who kicked the heads of defeated opponents around for sport
Chimpy sez: There was a time if you were associated with the Baath Party that you couldn’t teach in school!
*A law that was put in place by L. Paul Bremer.
-G
scratch that first paragraph…i’m not interested in going there
po,po,po…Iraqis ,what have we wrought?
Odierno must be a fast counter.
-G
Excellent post, Christy. Edwards was always my guy for many reasons, the way he constructively shaped the debate not being the least of them. I’ll vote for whichever Dem candidate, but deafeating McCain is the prize we’d all better keep focussed on.
The MSM wants McCain for President, it’s that simple. As mentioned so many times, we will fight the MSM’s careful crafting of St. John’s image throughout this campaign.
The networks trivialize our potential candidates by branding them as sniping & grasping for the nomination, while McCain is shown as gliding toward the Repub convention. Enough. If I had a dime for every email I’ve sent to CNN alone about this, I’d pay off my car loan tomorrow.
Off to work. Read you all later & good thoughts to all.
well said
That this man is where he is is amazing. He has won against the Clinton machine. I dont agree with him on everything but I appreciate how he has spoken and more still the campaign that raises money from so many of us.
We have to end the war just to show that we are competent and in charge! If we fail or even worse are betrayed by our own then noone will trust us to get anything else done. The DLC does not seem to understand that they think that they can just go along to get along.
Sure if we don’t win McCain or a DLC wolf in disguise will destroy the economy and keep losing the war in Iraq but being right is cold comfort when the warmongers come to the door after the election looking for cash to pay for the war.
Just where does the GOP business channels find economists who don’t understand that wars are an expense that will have to be paid for in the future is beyond me.
But suppose we do win WHAT IS NEXT?
Money.
(Isn’t that always the answer?)
Seriously — it’s about the money. Campaign finance rules allow a certain amount of it to be raised and spent for the primaries, and another certain amount to be raised and spent for the general election. The party bean counters reasoned that if the party can settle on a nominee early in the primary season, then all that “primary” money can be spent on attacking the other side. The “general” money can then be hoarded and spent in one big blitz at the end of the election cycle (Sept-Oct).
No one could have anticipated, however, that there’d be two major candidates fighting for that nomination all the way into April or even beyond.
he would be a good start imo….seems to be an open minded individual
How did he know those soccer games weren’t the Inter-AlQaeda Deathsquad Soccer Tournament?
Bush is back to yelling at us all again.
His new talking point appears to be that the Iraqi economy is doing much better than the US economy.
-G
great!!!!
sadly no,
Qatar defeated Iraq in a ’stunner’ – al jazeera
I don’t think it’s wise for him to make that comparison even if it is nuts. Some people might ask why.
Clusterfuck pulls down a 30% JAR from Fox- down two points from his previous shitty score.
Americans hate Clusterfuck.
And with whos money would that be?
rwcole, CHS:
Of course, it’s both sides. A pox on both houses.
Let’s examine the two campaigns’ reaction to the Wright controversy, for example:
1. Out of political necessity Obama responds with a speech that is sophisticated and effective, and often inspiring.
2. With the Tuzla Bamboozla story obscuring the fading Wright controversy, Clinton gives a personal interview to Scaife to resuscitate the story.
These things are not equivalent. Clinton is not a demon for using Scaife and Limbaugh, making “liberal” an epithet, endorsing McCain’s C-in-C credentials, etc., but you have to recognize her weak position has made the low road a rational choice. Meanwhile, she’s set a trap for herself with her “experience” schtick, having to improvise to invent said “experience”, which no one is buying, because by her own admission it’s the same “experience” in fucking things up that she thinks makes McCain C-in-C material.
Come one. They’re not both throwing kitchen sinks at this point.
That is my distillation, he didn’t actually make that comparison.
-G
. We really don’t have much choice, because as a group, the left doesn’t have many people with a good reputation in the financial community, the kind that could propose the necessary changes with authority and force.
Paul Krugman, John Keynes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J…..Galbraith, anyone but Greenspan, Helicopter Ben, Milton Friedman’s Chicago School of Economics Zombie’s and or ANY Bush NeoCon.
But for one thing, our dependence on the oil. Since their is nothing going on to replace it, no meaningful development of replacement technology, No solar panels to provide electricity for the most likely solution, and electric car in every pot (sorry Franklin).
If it weren’t for our completely ignoring reality about the car we jump in, this conversation would be meaningful. But as a result of this “omission”, the arguments seem to fall a bit flat when it comes to supplying oil to a gas guzzling public. Since these two facts can’t be reconciled, it renders this argument moot because we have no replacement value for the equation. Do you have a train near by that you can use to locomote? There aren’t any in my part of the country.
Do you see where we are headed? No one seems to be able to adjust the argument to include a very likely future. Get in your car and you support a terrorist nation. There aren’t any more left that have oil that aren’t according to our government. That makes it so much easier to start a war that appears to be one of xenophobia, to disguise it for one of conquest and theft of resources.
And imagine, all the rage is about a fellow named Wright that tells it like it is. He goes as far as to explain why these countries dislike us. Instead of the fact of the matter, some nebulous idea about “patriotism” and “racism” are what comes from the conversation.
We are a silly lot collectively. We seem able to ignore reality as a culture. If we are to move forward, this must change. I would venture to guess it is either or, what about you?
Sometimes I get the feeling he’s trying to convince himself, too.
Sorry, but somewhat off topic.
The Democratic Governor of Puerto Rico has been indicted on corruption charges.
More of the Rove strategy- Siegelman, Spitzer and Vila.
Democratic Governor ask not for whom the Republican FBI comes for; they come for thee.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onde…..tml?csp=34
“What we should give the Beltway? A united front. An unbending demand for something better.”
Too abstract. You need a policy wiki. Start new sections for policies, as you do for firedoglake, etc., on your banner, one for each issue,
- war in Iraq,
- health care amd medicare
- defence policy (what is the best level of investment in defence)?)
- foregin policy (Many section’s here)
- Labor policy, national & international
- Social Security
- and others.
Key to the wiki’s success is editors. Your contacts, editing is hard work, but it’s also a forum for the editor.
When do you want to start?
That frontline series was sickening.
my 12-year old just walked into the room and asked “so, has Obama gotten the nomination?”
I said “no, not yet, there are about 10 more primaries, and it’s getting nastier and nastier.”
He said “like always?”
I said “Yeah, like always.”
Meanwhile in Iraq:
“We demand the downfall of the Maliki government. It does not represent the people. It represents Bush and Cheney,” said Sadr City resident Hussein Abu Ali.
-G
Mitsuharu Ito is good to
http://www.nira.go.jp/publ/rev…..round.html
President Shitstain is now setting up the “retreat” strawman and is knocking it down with his manly fists and bulging crotch.
-G
Another load of wank from the Czarina Herr Bu$hler führer smeg for brains chimp.
since her daughter Chelsea (27)? is campaigning for mom…i wonder what she thinks of the CRAZY story her mom told about THEIR landing in Bosnia…
made me hate broadcast snoooze,like Howard Biel
Just got up.
Bu’ush, ugh. The Terrists ‘r Comin, Boogah, Boogah, Boogah…The Terrists ‘r Comin, Boogah, Boogah, Boogah…The Terrists ‘r Comin, Boogah, Boogah, Boogah…The Terrists ‘r Comin, Boogah, Boogah, Boogah…The Terrists ‘r Comin, Boogah, Boogah, Boogah…The Terrists ‘r Comin, Boogah, Boogah, Boogah…The Terrists ‘r Comin, Boogah, Boogah, Boogah…The Terrists ‘r Comin, Boogah, Boogah, Boogah…The Terrists ‘r Comin, Boogah, Boogah, Boogah…The Terrists ‘r Comin, Boogah, Boogah, Boogah…
Turns out that there’s still a war goin on in Iraq despite the surge and that Iraqis are bombing the hell out of american troops- and they are NOT Al Queda in Iraq- they are ordinary Iraqi shiites who are pissed that the US is arming and paying the Sunni militias.
What’s the great Wizard Clusterfuck gonna do about THIS- guess it’ll have to wait until he solves the economic meltdown he caused- then he can get on with the business of winning the war he started- or leavin the whole mess to whomever’s next.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..ptera.html
I think that we can reduce our dependence on oil a good bit if we try.
I don’t really care who “started it” kids—next one ta open their mouths GETS IT- SEE?
Bush sez “we see justice when American soldiers in full battle gear give out schoolbooks to children”.
Apparently the Defense Dept. is an offshoot of the Education Dept.
Who were the people who lectured about how niave the ‘do gooders’ were the past the 30 years.
-G
wonder how Colon Powell sleeps at night………….oh i forgot Ambien
omg
and good moring, pup friends. WHAT the sam’s hell is THAT doing on CSpan? Gawd, what a rough way to wake up. Can’t someone tell him that his reign of terror is ENDING and no one wants to hear his chit anymore?
sheeeeeesh, what an idjit.
* A massive switch from coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear power plants to solar power plants could supply 69 percent of the U.S.’s electricity and 35 percent of its total energy by 2050.
* A vast area of photovoltaic cells would have to be erected in the Southwest. Excess daytime energy would be stored as compressed air in underground caverns to be tapped during nighttime hours.
* Large solar concentrator power plants would be built as well.
* A new direct-current power transmission backbone would deliver solar electricity across the country.
* But $420 billion in subsidies from 2011 to 2050 would be required to fund the infrastructure and make it cost-competitive.
http://www.sciam.com/article.c…..grand-plan
he has to need something a lot stronger than that
He jest says “Ah told him- if ya breaks it- ya owns it- but would he listen?—NO~!”
next big Frontline,on PBS,will be Carrier….they were embeded on the Nimitz…turns out 18,19,and 20 year old poor kids are running that great ship…kids are fighting our clusterfucks,and not the kids of people who sent them there!
For what it is worth, I agree with ThatGuy @ 5. Obama does not walk on water. His first reaction to Rev White was to deny he heard anything inflamatory. He straigntened that out quickly. Obama cannot openly agree with Wright, as I think he does on some issues (and so do I) because many Americans see criticism of the government as tantamount to treason.
Hillary is Swiftboating Obama. When Kerry was challenged on his courage by someone who pulled strings to get into the Texas Air National Guard and then bugged out on even that, Kerry’s first response was no one could take the charges seriously. Bush’s audacity to challenge Kerry on this point was breathtaking. It was also successful. There’s a moral to that story.
Hillary attacks Obama on his ability to handle 3 AM calls properly, when he was right when he called our Iraq adventure “dumb”. She, a Bush enabler of all people, questions Obama’s judgment. Kerry should have [edited by mod]. It’s not presidential, but there’s not a hell of a lot of room for anything else. It’s the same with Hillary. She plays the race card and the judgment card, leaving Obama nothing to do but respond in kind. It seems especially pointless since her chances of winning the nomination are slim to none. It takes two to Tango, but that lady just doesn’t want to dance.
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I mentioned this Bosnia crap because it sheds light on a couple things: her “experience” claims are hollow or worse, an implicit re-endorsement of her war votes, as when she credits McCain with same experience. Frandor55 @9 made my second point better than I can. Forgive me for the corporate jargon, but she hasn’t discovered a new paradigm in interacting with the media. She courts Scaife and Murdoch to get them to help her heave that sink, but the flip side is that those same corporate media drum on this Tuzla bullshit. She’d win the general, but in the nomination battle she can’t win this game she’s playing. It’s a testimony to her lack of imagination that it’s the only game she knows.
ambien, whiskey, wacky tabacy, his wife woops him over the head, anything to put himself out of his misery.
or he sleeps like a babe.
this has always made sense,since the ARAB OIL EMBARGO of 1 9 7 3
I’m about ready to install solar cells. It’s going to cost about 20K. It takes a hell of a long time to recover the investment at today’s rates- but the cost of energy is climbing at a brisk rate. Next- a plug in hybrid- once someone offers one!
Those two things could cut not commercial energy use by 2/3 at least in areas that have sunshine.
i remember he said he took it
He sleeps well knowing that he long ago secured his spot in the Bush Wing of Hell.
not again? Amazing.
That was kind of the point. They wanted to own it, broken or not.
During a briefing in Baghdad on Wednesday, a British military official said that of the nearly 30,000 Iraqi security forces involved in the assault, almost 16,000 were Basra police forces, which have long been suspected of being infiltrated by the same militias the assault was intended to root ou
A new paper from the Center for Economic and Policy Research responds to a recent article by Francisco Rodriguez in the March/April 2008 issue of Foreign Affairs that argued that Venezuela’s poor have not benefited from the government of President Hugo Chávez.
In the five years since the Venezuelan government has gotten control over its national oil company, the economy (real GDP) has grown more than 87 percent, poverty has been cut in half, and unemployment by more than half,” said Mark Weisbrot, CEPR Co-Director and author of the paper, “An Empty Research Agenda: The Creation of Myths About Contemporary Venezuela.”
“Real social spending per person has increased by more than 300 percent, and the government has expanded access to health care, subsidized food, and education. Under these conditions, it would indeed be remarkable if the living standards of the poor had not improved substantially,” he added.
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/…..venezuela/
Maybe if Lefty Economists are lacking in America Hugo could come up with a few ideas for our economy?
Where would the other 65% come from?
remember wind energy, too. Together with solar and conservation we could do soooooo much better.
I agree, and there’s no excuse for any of us to throw crap. Nor is there any reason for Obama and his campaign to throw crap. IMHO, Hillary is caught in a bind, however. She rightly feels that she owes her supporters a total, all-out effort to win. For her these are desperate times requiring desperate measures. Yesterday’s poll results show that her longshots are backfiring, like the hail-mary passes thrown by trailing teams in the last 30 seconds of football games. This is where party leadership must step in, and I don’t mean leadership like that bunch of fat-cats who wrote Pelosi yesterday: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…../66/485037
i saw a preview,damn it pisses me off
Haven’t you seen those Citgo ads yet?
Thanks God we got McBush in the wings whose solution to Iraq is to stay the course and whose solution to the economy is more tax cuts fer the rich.
Genius- the man’s a fuckin GENIUS!
“… and I will do evvythin’ in mah power to deny them their wishes …”
Yeah- wind is actually COST EFFECTIVE—
Of course wind and sun have a disadvantage–they don’t produce all the time- so you need fossil backups- but we already HAVE that.
Pfft … that guy is a one hit wonder, about to fade into oblivion … /s *g*
the embargo was in 1973….wtf have we been doing besides melting the planet?
Well if we keep ignoring the lessons that history teaches then either we repeat them years later or in summer school:)
Or we don’t learn and we go extinct after all God gave up on the Dinosaurs if we refuse to learn the lessons he is obviously trying to teach us again then maybe we deserve it.
Pride goeth before the Lord and all that!
I refuse to get involved about who insulted who first—-They can insult each other all day and all night- I’m waiting for how they end the war- how they fix the economy- how they attain the political strength to attack health care- and how they start the move away from oil..
Anything else is petty bullshit and it makes me puke.
liolololol
peeeelz of gigglez!
ON THE BEACH was on telly yesterday…the pastor cries out…we dont know why we DESTROYED ourselves sigh
Not exactly. The 16,000 police represent other militias probably old Badr Brigades associated with the SIIC. As for the remaining 14,000, you can ask the same question. The one thing that you can be pretty sure of is that almost none of these 30,000 are “Iraqi” but have primary allegiances elsewhere.
I’m just thankful the commenters finally switched from, “My candidate is Vishnu and yours is Shiva …” *g*
((((( Christy )))))
man, I love that
The reason that this campaign has gotten petty and personal is that there ain’t a dime’s worth of difference between the two on the issues.
For that reason, I could care less which of em wins.
Shorter Bush … we’re learning them over there so we don’t have to learn them over here …
I saw that letter yesterday and noted that one of the signers was Haim “Israel first, last, and always” Saban, he who funded the Saban Center at the “liberal” Brookings Institute.
BBC radio was quoting local stringers and citizens in Basra stating that some of the police were shedding their uniforms and joining on the side of the Mehdi Army.
-G
Meanwhile things may not be going aces if the spokesman for the military action gets abducted from his hime.
Rawstory reports.
He counts all the Million$ he’s ‘made’ since leaving the JCS post … usually nods off before he reaches 6 million …
Wind maybe nuclear Fusion if we ever get around to rejoining that international Fusion research effort.
Nuclear Fission is an accident waiting to happen remember Bush does not do government regulation well. A mistake at a nuke plant with all those decades of Nuclear waste stored at each plant waiting for Nevada storage could take out that whole state and every state downwind.
If we use more coal expect more kids to have breathing problems.
CHS:
This one has a stink about it, from TPM: “Prosecutors Say Saddam’s Intelligence Agency Financed US Lawmakers’ Prewar Trip to Iraq.”
Yes, now they say, “My candidate is Shiva and yours is Vishnu.”
home…..
No?
That the MSM wants McCain as prez seems hugely ironic to me. Given the MSM utter lack of integrity concerning George’s war (before and during), it’s hard for me to understand why McCain’s presence would be newsworthy. Unless it’s about side bets as to when he’ll blow his cork publicly. And unless, of course, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the “news” and everything to do with undercover agendas. (No, not about Spitzer.)
and failed to pay 300 million in taxes on a deal with Foxs Rupert Murdoch
Former Senator Jean Carnahan (D-MO) put up a guest editorial at FiredUpMissouri.com two weeks ago. Emphasis added at the end:
I agree. I want to see McCain grilled over his CONTINUING practice of mixing up Sunni and Shia.
I want to see him grilled over his cozy relationships with the Campaign Bus Lobbying Crew.
I want to see him grilled over his continued pleas to the TheoCon wing of the GOP to accept him as a True Conservative, while trying to claim to be a maverick moderate to the rest of the country.
I want to see John McCain squirm, not smirk.
I am going to spend my efforts at focusing on Bush and McBush from now on.
I am tired of the Democrats feuding.
-G
LOL … how’re you doing, Hugh ?
Have you added to your list lately … I’m almost afraid to go look … *g*
Fusion isn’t close to being there. I have no precise estimates on wind but I would guess that at best it would not be above 20%. You still need to come up with 45%. I don’t mean this in anyway as a criticism, but merely to draw out that we currently have no viable replacement combination of energ sources which will meet our and the world’s growing energy needs. We need to start thinking about what that means.
great post christy!–I think the issue of campaign reform finally moved up my ladder last night..well, it has been moving up my priorities ladder since i discovered http://www.newsmeat.com and am continually discovering how complex and hidden all of the ties of influence really are……….and the moon list of businesses, how many ways one person can control sooooo much.
kevinp gave me this list of moon’s business holdings–please, everyone, read it and see if you are buying his products or are a member of an association he is behind…….shocking—ed*ard teller, i wanted you to look at the ones from alaska……
http://www.freedomofmind.com/r…..siness-int
yep, campaign financing-i think it would affect more things than we can name. and most of the ones we complain about.
someone commented -sorry, don’t remember who it was—about england, 90 days campaigning, limited amount of equal funds to each candidate. and local and state,too.
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the following article is one more reason why—i posted it in the last thread
bush-irony just follows him around……..
co-chair of bush fundraiser, in dayton, ohio tonight, convicted of laundering $12,000 of campaign money to gop in 1993
http://www.wdtn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8074427
same story, but a link for dayton newspaper for those who like different papers to read-
http://www.daytondailynews.com…..aiser.html
Two of them are my nephews.
I’ve been going through a writer’s slump recently but the list is currently up to 333.
Hi Hugh. Yup, and I commented on that, and the diarist incorporated my comment as a subsequent update.
We just need to build more plants and store the energy. Fuel cells can be run in reverse if you provide power to create hydrogen for later use by the fuel cell to provide power or the next generation of batteries could store the energy.
I think storing the energy when the sun is down or the wind stops blowing is the problem.
We can always build more solar cells and windmills:)
Why because the power source is free and produces no waste!
Well, although the Democrats are feuding, the good news from Iraq is that the surge has been a big success. In fact, it has been such a success that McCain thinks we may need to be there another 100 years because as you all know “Nothing succeeds like success!”
Good Morning
The problem as I see it is that there is no PROGRESSIVE leadership at the national and especially at the local level. Conservative leadership is in reality a bunch of reactionaries trying to take us back to the robber barron days. Liberal leadership is in reality conservative (maintaining the status-quo). What we need is some REAL progressive leadership like the leadership demonstrated by those at the progressive blog sites.
We can’t make those already in the establishment change because the only reason they are there is because they are establishment. That’s the conundrum. It is nearly impossible to get progressives in at the state and local levels because the establishment of both parties have the entire process in a death grip.
We need progressive leadership at the very top in order to get people inspired to make changes. Look what Obama has been able to do in creating excitement among young voters, (my daughter is at Pitt), and he is as establishment as there is. Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Hoyer, Reid are not the answer. Russ Finegold for President.
primary fatigue has set in BIG TIME. I have gotten a tad cranky over it and here is my take/summation on the Wright situation….
Wright made the (insert your own personal assessment of his comments here) statements
Wright not running for president
ergo…
I don’t give a flying f&*# what he said or wrote
mine at 163–
my point in adding the article about campaign money laundering in this post, is that this man who is co-hosting the fundraiser event for bush has affected local and state government, was convicted of it, is still raising money for it. and is still affecting national government.
with campaign money.
how many things and people would be out of the picture if that was changed? too many to count.
those look like extremely tough jobs,i wish them all the best luck!!!!
I <333 Hugh’s List
This ain’t even good fuedin- sayin bad things about the other guy’s preacher don’t exactly make it into the dirty campaigning hall of fame. It’s DUMB SHIT!
Better to attack his policies but its tough when theyre exactly like yours
Anyone have an economics study on the cost of wind and solar power over the expected lifetime of a Coal, Oil Gas or Nuclear plant when you factor in fuel costs and waste disposal.
I wonder if the insurance companies have factored in a Chernobyl level disaster when they quoted the power companies rates?
along with the most excellent Prof Cole, Gorilla Guides, al-Jazeera – have been reading these 2
missinglinks thank you siun!
roads to iraq lots of local reporting
al-Maliki and al-Hakim’s ‘forces’ are getting their asses kicked (and the humanitarian crisis spirals further down)
hundreds of thousands marching in the provinces
personally very concerned the only way they can claim to ‘quell’ the disturbances in Sadr City is aerial bombing neighborhoods and these pigs would do it just so Petraeus could sit at the witness table in Congress and claim ‘progress’
CNN has an exclusive look inside Saddam’s jail cell!
-G
thank you…as usual
I’ve seen some economic comparisons- so they’re out there. I’ve never found anthing on the cost of nuclear energy per kilowatt hour sans all govt. subsidies and including waste disposal and clean up. My guess is that it’s higher than solar.
its the LIBERAL/ media that snowballed it into a frozen tsunami…imo
Saddam was obsessed with his legacy. Like Saddam, like Bush.
-G
Gerry Rivers?
Oh gee, better set my DVR to get that. Can’t miss that!
Aerial bombing Sadr City is knowingly attacking a civilian city with an airstrike a warcrime?
I commented on the previous thread:
off topic then – on topic now…
Unless fusion comes on strong, I see no alternatives that will replace our dependence on oil. To me, this means that there will have to be a major restructuring of our economy and society. We will have to go to public transportation and away from the car. We will have to rebuild communities to make the best use of what energy resources we have. This would mark an end to exurbs and even most suburbs. And then there is the question of population growth. A nation of 150-200 million will use a lot less energy than a country of 400-500 million.
I’ve seen some too they just don’t seem to ask the right questions.
Military man in charge of Saddam show’s Kyra Phillips “the last known photo taken of Saddam Hussein, before his execution”.
Brain trust Phillips asks: “Why does he look so angry?”
Jeebus, every is nuts.
-G
read it and weep
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..93655.html
Oil is a sure, global disaster. Nuclear is possible, local disasters.
DOJ is surging indictments against Democrats so that the GOP can spread around the corruption charges this Novemeber.
-G
a pox on both houses?
and here is one to make you HAPPY and smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3NueKXS6dk
of course the wright rant was not aimed at you, Petro *g*
As far as the Tuzla thing..I have an equal simple assessment. Quit lying and it won’t be an issue.
which is another one that’s setting me off! The DOJ has the goods on oodles of GOP pols up in Alaska, but they seem to be dropping the ball on them, drawing up prep for indictments of a couple of prominent Democrats. All secret so far, but I’m getting glimmers from friends who work in law enforcement.
That so-called “Responsible Plan” is worthless and a huge disappointment given what I’ve seen and heard of Donna Edwards. Here is the entire “plan” with regard to withdrawing troops:
“This should be accomplished based on planning provided by our military leadership; the safety of our remaining troops during the drawdown period is of utmost importance. Moreover, the drawdown of troops must be coordinated with increased civil and economic assistance, and executed in such a way as to contain the threat of terrorism and prevent an abrupt destabilization of the region.”
I could have written that in my sleep.
I know it’s a hard issue, but it does not help one bit to put out a non-plan as if it were an actual plan. Either present a real plan or don’t claim that you have one.
These fellas are from the Bronx and not seem to be suffering much on the carrier from what they tell me. YET.
http://www.energy.ca.gov/elect….._cost.html
Here’s a link to some cost comparison data on electricy production.
I am not pro-oil. I would say that oil and fossil fuels have already proven to be a global disaster as the changes in the climate attest. What I am trying to argue is that both because of peak oil and global warming there are no alternatives currently that will address our energy needs. This means for me that we will have to look at how energy is used and this will necessitate major changes in our society.
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It’s natural to feel this way once in a while … plan for it and use music with meditation to reinvigorate your self … 1% better is far greater than no improvement at all …
SHOCKED! I tell you, shocked!
You will notice that wind is now the cheapest way to produce energy and PV cells the most expensive.
Build enough solar cells and windmills and we have the power with the national power grid we can transfer power to places without sun and wind. Oil is just getting too expensive and using nuclear power after Bush pushed through the Nuke industrie’s wish list is way to risky.
Unless you are talking about getting rid of the car culture getting some highspeed monorails. Maybe some monorails for heavy freight if thats possible?
Neighborhood trolleys would be nice, I’m sure Pat Buchanan will scream socialist want to get rid of your car. But didn’t the car companies buy the trolley companies and closed them down? That kind of change is only ok if the freemarket does it according to the GOP.
I’m all for mass transit.
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I knew you weren’t talking to me … *g*
The ending of the DDOJ public integrity unit in California too. Don’t wanna get any Jerry Lewis indictments before November.
Criminal conspiracy. Mukasey, Cheney, Bush.
-G
heh. I’m going to try to find some time this afternoon to read the Naomi Klein-Jeremy Scahill article.
“Oil is a sure, global disaster. Nuclear is possible, local disasters.”
___________
Local? In the spring of 1986 I was managing a REMP database for a nuclear power plant startup in Ohio (Perry Nuclear). Our lab analyzed environmental samples routinely for the client to establish a baseline of naturally occuring radiation across all matrices — soils, water, milk, vegetation (all biota actually), air. The air monitors routinely came back “below LLD” e.g,, <0.04 pCi/cu. m. (below Lower Limit of Detection). A week after Chernobyl we got positive readings for I-131 on all air samples filters. They stayed positive for weeks during the half-life decay period (8.05 days). After a month or so the readings went back down below LLD.
But, that was just one radionuclide. Shit like Cesium got all over Scandinavia, Canada, etc.
There’s a reason for PAAA (Price Anderson Act, which limits accident liability to a relative pittance, in effect — surprise, surprise — socializing potential catastrophe losses). Without it, nuke power would not be insurable commercially.
High fives all around! The US is part of OPEC now, thanks to Iraq.
I could not agree more.
It is disingenuous to frame this discussion as both sides are equally negative.
And to point that out is not ‘flinging poo’.
I’m for the most progressive candidate, as I would expect most people that frequent this blog does as well. As of right now that seems to be Sen. Obama.
There is no ‘worship’ here, just my interpretation of what I’ve seen and heard from both candidates.
The performance of these campaigns thus far are no more ‘even’ than MSM coverage of the Bush disaster has been. Sen. Clinton’s efforts have been decidedly more negative and out of line.
hi Petro…waves
Some methods of producing electricity have high fuel costs (eg natural gas) but relatively low capital costs (plant and equipment).
Other methods have high capital costs (eg solar panels) but zero fuel costs.
Some methods can produce 24/7 and others are intermittent- and intermittent method requires back up—which increases capital costs.
my poor neighbor will have to sell his cows…im sure he is a republican…still its sad
Solar and wind require mechanisms to store the energy, which have not been figured into the cost.
Again what I argue is that the numbers for alternatives currently (and I wish to emphasize that word) don’t add up. They just don’t. The energy we get from oil is currently not fully replaceable. We need to think about what this means.
What makes you think that Obama is the most progressive candidate? His policy positions are exactly like Clinton.
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Got any more nummy recipes ?!! *g*
You either STORE it- or you rely on conventional facilities to generate at night or when the wind is not blowing.
he is NOT DLC ergo not a centrist imo
yes… i buy Wasabi cashews at of all places the dollar store…crush em with a hammer and coat any frozen fish,pan fry or bake
VA VA VA VOOM for pennies!!!!!!”g”
I think they do add up when you factor in the Nuclear industrie’s insurance protection. The lifetime medical costs of people who breathe if we use more coal and of course the current cost of our war for oil.
What are you suggesting as an alternative?
France is producing 80% of her power with nukes and apparently has the waste issue figured out. My mind is open on the subject- someone needs to share the data.
Oil costs are so high for the US because the dollar’s value is so low. This is Bush’s fault but, as usual, he escapes responsibility because it is rarely mentioned by the MSM.
I’d recommend the use of Thorium-fueled nuclear reactors:
According to this article http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/1341
Norway has made the commitment to proceed with the development of
Thorium reactors. And according to this site
http://www.thoriumenergy.blogspot.com, in contrast to Uranium, Thorium:
– requires no refinement or processing.
– is three times more abundant than isotopes of Uranium combined.
– is readily available from friendly countries; Australia, India,
Norway, U.S., and Candada have the world’s largest reserves (in
that order).
– is clean burning, producing between 0.01% to 0.1% as much
by-product.
– has by-products having much shorted half-lives.
– is unsuitable for weapons production.
– can be used to incinerate Plutonium weapons and waste.
In addition, Thorium:
– works at very high temperatures, allowing for very efficient
production of electrictiy and/or hydrogen.
– can supplement the fissile fuels in a conventional reactor.
– can support a self-sustaining reaction in molten-salt reactors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor, which are
particularly economical and safe.
I have no idea how authoritative or accurate this report is
http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~hashic…..co/co2.htm
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/14/81319/1719
http://news.independent.co.uk/…..656034.ece
http://www.treehugger.com/file…..oba_1.php?
Here is a discussion of the weapons potential of by-products etc.:?
http://www.americanscientist.o…..tid/25710?
Methane from sunlight:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0410/S00063.htm
thanks
I’m sure that my state is due to unbalanced chakras. Glad i have yoga today
Why is ‘liberal’ still a bad word when ‘conservatives’ have been horrible in power?
You are talking about the relative costs of energy. I’m talking about its sheer quantity. There is no likelihood under current conditions that the quantity of energy needed in 2050 can be produced with alternatives.
Would rather we look at renewable energy sources. No one has the waste thing ultimately figured out
Our liberal media is responsible”g” mofos
Let’s see…
For starters, he didn’t hire Mark Penn. Clearly he should get points for that.
His 50 state strategy is certainly more progressive than his opponent’s way of going about things.
And the way his campaign has raised funds — to the consternation of lobbyists everywhere — strikes me as more progressive as well.
Policy positions from leading candidates are never gonna be where most of us would like them to be, or else Kucinich or Edwards would have the nomination.
They don’t.
I am frankly sick and tired of the “Hillary and Obama are equally bashing each other.”
No-they’re-not. Obama was not my 1st, or even 2nd, choice. But he is my choice now. And the only Democrat left. I have been stunned the way Hillary has turned ultra Republican the past few weeks — and her supporters lying about it. People I thought I knew, ignoring what she said.
To me, it is not “A Democrat — ANY Democrat!” It is a left-leaning person. And Hillary is not. Yes, yes, she claims she will keep “choice.” Uh huh. All watered down. And every other thing you might claim. But the bottom line is: I don’t trust her. Who knows what she will do, if “elected.” Although I would never EVER vote GOP — no matter what — I can understand the frustration many Obama supporters feel.
Yeah USD vs Euro, dollar has lost roughly a third over the past 5 years. That’s a bug chunk of the nominal price (along with supply/demand and war risk premium).
Quads, baby, quads — quadrillions of BTUs.
Here is a solar grand plan that allegedly could by 2050 supply 69 percent of the U.S.’s electricity and 35 percent of its total energy.
France has a bureaucracy that works all the plants I heard are standardized any change in design is studied first and then built into all new plants.
Much like Mcdonalds if you go to one plant you know what to expect. Which really saves time when you inspect a plant for problems. Also if a problem happens at one plant they know it will happen at the rest of their plants so they try and fix it.
I don’t know where they are putting their Nuclear waste but transporting that stuff is a terror attack just waiting to happen.
I thought that was you who suggested that before:)
Forgot to link to your 215 in my response@230.
Roughly speaking about 40% of a barrel of oil reflects fundamental costs plus profit. 30% is the result of the fall in the dollar. And 30% is due to mostly hedge fund driven speculation.
You always have to keep in mind two storylines for oil. In the near term the price of oil is far higher than it should be. In the long term because oil is a finite quantity and because it is so energy dense, its current price is low.
Christy, I’m in the Alabama 2nd Congressional district, and we actually have a progressive candidate this time. Cheryl Sabel, who has been president of the Alabama chapter of NOW, signed on to the Responsible Plan to End the War in Iraq a week and a half ago. She stands for:
Ending the War in Iraq. “When Congress stops funding this war, we can begin to heal our nation and our economy,” she said.
Increasing the minimum wage. She did not say how much it needed to be raised but she said the increase needed to be substantial.
Illegal immigration reform. She said reform is needed but that changes need to be done humanely.
Preserving reproductive rights. She said she advocates keeping abortion safe and legal. Sabel said she believes a woman should have the right to make her own personal decision about whether or when to bear a child — without government interference.
Universal health care for Americans.
And as I understand it, the French are generating 75% of their electricity via those nuclear power plants.
One word: reprocessing.
The fact that we won’t allow it here is a political decision, not a tech one.
Re my 239, Cheryl is STILL president of Alabama’s NOW chapter, and has been for the last two years.
As I put it, they’re not both throwing kitchen sinks at this point.
There is something new and awful every day from Clinton. Yesterday’s big story is her big donors threatening the DCCC. Get a look at those donors.
I always pessimistically assumed Clinton would be able to use superdelegates as a trump card, but I didn’t understand the mechanism of how she’d keep them on her side and this donor story exposes that mechanism (Thankfully, it looks just as possible that these superdelegates will be arraying themselves against Clinton).
We still have the current power plant system plus we could conserve power more, I’m positive my new place in Seattle does not have the insulation houses in Northern Illinois have. Appliances could be made more power conserving too.
But how can you say we can’t build or rent enough factories to make enough solar cells and windmills?
There is enough free power out there we just have to get it.
Right. I really think that Thorium is a missed opportunity. Only Norway and India seem to be pursuing it, plus two companies in the U.S. Oak Ridge played with it a bit in the 60s, but they were focused on weapons as well and energy, and Thorium doesn’t hold much weapons potential.
We don’t know how much oil actually exists because the fear of scarcity benefits oil producers.
How much of the fuel are they reprocessing and why won’t we do it. See this is a little issue we can explore. If you reprocess the waste you reduce the total amount.
So instead of trainloads of waste maybe we only have to worry about truckloads.
I’m still antinuke but this seems like a good stopgap measure until we get something better n place.
Is she listed at blue America?
This seems like a good avenue for research maybe if we get a Dem president we can look into this.
Well chancedamn! Bigggggg H. Bang! My candidate represents all that is good and yours represents all that is bad!.”
We use a whole lot of idiom based on the age of sail; “son of a gun,” “taken aback,” “by and large,”, and on and on. None of us are 18th century sailors, but we know what the terms have come to mean and they allow us to communicate quickly and effectively. :)
Given global warming, I could argue that how much oil exists is moot since we need to move away from all carbon based fuels.
OTOH I could also argue that I don’t care how much oil exists. What I am interested in is how much is producible and there we have 50-60 years of really good data on how fields are discovered, developed, and decline. We also know how producers react to market situations. Taken together it is clear to many of us out here that we are currently in the plateau phase of peak oil and that within a few years the decline will begin and that decline according to historical trends will be about 6% a year.
Gosh, Christy, I feel mean for bringing this up, but do you actually have to leave your house to renew your license tags? I only have to leave the house for a vehicle inspection before I get my tags, but our state lets us renew on the internet. What a convenience! Also, we can do a two year renewal at a reduced rate. No waiting in long lines at the DMV, no being sent from line to line. You can imagine how much stress it relieves on the system, too. Lots easier to hire people who don’t have to be confronted by an angry public. Been doing this for years. Really love it. If your state hasn’t done that yet, you ought to start inquiring as to why or when. It’s just too good not to be done.
>> Ending the War in Iraq. “When Congress stops funding this war, we can
>> begin to heal our nation and our economy,” she said.
That’s about as worthless as the official “Responsible Plan.”
Reprocessing has weapons-grade materials implications. It’s political.
We’d rather dig a big hole in the Nevada desert and bury the shit (ain’t gonna happen, though).
I’ve disagreed with Hugh on this point before. The question of ‘peak oil‘ is still open to debate.
This is not to say we shouldn’t be actively looking for alternatives, however.
Burning biofuels doesn’t add to the carbon in the air, since they get their carbon from the air, but that’s assuming that fossil fuels aren’t used in their production.
IMHO, once production starts to decline, prices are going to skyrocket way beyond $100/barrel.
Large scale water-extractive H2 production is said to not be economically viable relative to hydrocarbon fuel pricing. But, were the myriad, very expensive externalities of the latter honestly accounted for (environmental, healthcare, military etc), H2 would be pump-price competitive today.
Again, these are overwhelmingly political choices, not technological.
King Hubbard’s theory of peak production seems to be pretty well confirmed. He correctly predicted the per-person peak in the U.S. and originally predicted the peak global production for about 2006. (Shortly after the 1973 crisis he incorrectly moved it sooner, but there were some explanations for how he got that wrong.)
H2 is a means of storing and transporting energy. What are you proposing for generating the energy in the first place? BTW, I’ve read of research on solar cells that produce H2 and O2 directly from sunlight. Also, people have described interesting thermolosis cycles based on Nuclear energy.
Senator Graham: “Joe Lieberman is a National Treasure”; he fits his expectations like a glove. That chimes with the Republicans United Against Amerika’s vision of leadership: not bipartisanship in any non-Orwellian sense of the word, but unswerving, commander-guy toughness, as heedless of fear as they are of the public interest.
Right now, Sen. Clinton appears to be showing that she can play that game, too, via her Fat Cat supporters blackmailing Ms. Pelosi by threatening to withhold contributions to House campaigns if she doesn’t stay quiet about the delegate voting process at the Convention in Denver. That gambit treats the Speaker of the House – third in line for the presidency – like a pocket penknife.
Boss Tweed, another famous NY politician, would applaud. We shouldn’t. That process buys power at the expense of dissent and REFORM. That goes against what we’re about. It handicaps our ability to make plain and recover from the wholesale assault on government and the public interest that is the Cheney/Bush administration. It is moving in the opposite direction Christy argues for.
It’s not Clinton, though, it’s what Rovian politics have made of the game. Well, we can change the rules, too. Shall we?
(h/t Think Progress)
One viable option: solar cracking.
Yeas, also solar cells based electrolysis — at the local point of production/distribution (i.e., the remote large-scale refinery model is a straw man).
These are the people who will be able to effect change in government. The focus is on the prez race because of the never ending primary season but we have to remember that every member of the House (theoretically) is up for re-election this year, as are about a third of the Senate. Where did the pressure on FDR come from? The people went to Congress, which wrote the legislation creating the New Deal. The people didn’t write and wire FDR.
Personally, my efforts are directed at getting a progressive Democrat elected as congresswoman in my district. It’s definitely an uphill battle but nothing ventured, nothing gained. The Rethug incumbent has been in office almost 40 years.
There are bound to be local races all over the place. Help a progressive get elected to the school board, city council, county commission, whatever. Obama and Clinton aren’t the only people in the universe.
I’m no expert on oil, nor am I looking to play one on a blog.
My position is simply that as the technology improves we’re gonna find oil in places we couldn’t reach before.
It’s already happening offshore in the Gulf of Mexico.
Given 75% of the earth is covered by water, it stands to reason there’s a lot more oil to be found than we think there is.
And, getting back to what started this discussion today, I’m very skeptical of anything Big Oil says; particularly anything that helps to keep oil prices high.
She has an act blue page, and I’ve tried to interest Howie in her candidacy. Couldn’t find an e-mail for him, so I sent it to the tips address for fdl. Cheryl’s website is here and her act blue page is here.
Me too. When Cheryl first announced, I couldn’t find contact information, so I googled, and called her. She was thrilled to find a volunteer in my area and I’m hip deep in planning events for this area now.
Samm Simpson ran in 2006 and garnered more votes than any Democrat against Bill Young ever. She also was the first candidate in the county, if not state, to get on the ballot by collecting petition signatures. We did it again this time in about half the time. All volunteer and the guy organizing all this has done a great job. This is my second time around as campaign treasurer.
I was just looking at Simpson’s page. I like that bumper sticker. “Truth is our weapon. Change is our choice.”
Christy, bless you for putting this Silly Season back into perspective. I’m actually a little excited at the prospect of it all falling down in the near future, because I’m convinced WE will be in place to put it back again, in the proper order.
When I worked for the Feds (a lifetime ago), I used to have long after-hours conversations with my boss, a GS-14 who’d been there forever. We sadly concluded that the only way to fix the layers and layers and layers of bad that had been smeared all over the good over the years was to make it all fall down and build it up again. (All of the men in his family, except him, were stone masons from Italy who worked on the National Cathedral. All his metaphors involved masonry.)
I’ve never forgotten our conversations.
Want one? Or two.
((((( Lindy )))))
How’s things ?
Would it be greedy to ask for 2?
Things are pretty much they same as they’ve been for the last 2.5 years. I won’t stop trying to throw these bums out. (((((Petrocelli)))))
You may have as many as you like. Go back to Samm’s site, contribute tab, and click on the treasurer email linky. Gotta go back to work but I’ll catch your email later and put them in the mail tomorrow.
Peace Love Light
Done, and many thanks.
France uses one design for its nuclear power plants. This makes them easier to monitor. We, believers in free enterprise, have three or four designs making them difficult to test and monitor. It has to do with regulation generally. Leaving everything up to individual greed doesn’t do it, but that doesn’t get through. AM radio is unlistenable with perhaps 30 minutes of commercials per hour; downer cows; various pollutions are products of our free market economy. Nuclear energy makes no sense here unless we get away from the idea that anything goes.
The reactors used in France and parts east are regulated out of the U.S. due to “safety” concerns. I got that info from a friend who used to work at a power plant. Those reactors are as safe as such things can be because, I am told, a melt down is not possible. If we had safe and affordable power, we wouldn’t have to buy all these diminishing fossil fuels, and we can’t have that.
oops. forgot to close the last comment with /snark.
Christy, it’s been so great to come to the lake the last day or so, and read all the great hits on McCain. Thank you!
You’re right. They should have covered that instead of the latest cheap shots by one side or another. What they have to say about the issues is important. What’s worse, they don’t cover the cheap shots, in that they don’t check them out to see if they’re justified or not. They usually just relay them and have pundits pontificate about them endlessly instead of doing research. The press is part of the problem, and we need to demand better of them.
I went back and rechecked on those reactors. The ones I was talking about are Pebble bed reactors…Silicon/uranium pellets with helium cooling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor
The (un)Democratic party — the party I have supported for 45 years!
I am so disgusted with Dean, Pelosi (not impeach), Reid (FISA coward) — I want these a**holes gone as much as I want Bush, et al., gone.
One person, one secret ballot (if eligible, registered, and in state of residency). A complete and accurate count.
How can we deny or not count a vote by a citizen, and then allow a supposed higher authority approve or enforce the evil? Then, are we to let the clock run out, so any challenge becomes moot? Oh! I remember now. But, this time it is ‘we against us.’
All of this other blather about one candidate dropping out for the sake of the party is just a smokescreen — while the clock ticks down.
We still have plenty of time, resources, and options to have a primary revote in both Florida and Michigan — not caucuses, but real primary elections.
I am so disgusted with my party. I have seen the erosion of our rights and stifling of our voices effected by neocons, and more than abetted by some of the feeble progressives we have elected to serve and protect us.
How are we to repair the damage caused by this war, the gluttony at the top, our ignorance of the disadvantaged, the putrid behavior of the fourth estate, etc., if we do not have our vote and voice?
It seems that supporting our party, voting, marching, waving signs, and typing words into emacs buffers will have little, if any, impact.
Throughout this campaign, I have said that I would support any candidate nominated by our party.
I am beginning to believe that my only option is to write in a vote for whichever Democratic candidate is NOT nominated.
No citizen should be denied the opportunity to participate in a primary or disenfranchised in an election. Fix the Florida-Michigan debacle. Let the primaries continue as they may. Then the Presidential Election, Electoral College, and Swearing in. Then we clean up our party by getting rid of our own bags-o-sh*t, beginning with Dean, Pelosi, and Reid. Then we gut the DNC and get our primary rules right.
The “squabbling and petty crap,” is generated almost 100 percent by Clinton and her triangulating supporters.
Utter nonsense. I’m not going to argue with you here, but as far as I’m concerned, people like you who only see things through the lens of what’s good for your own candidate are part of the problem. Go read No Quarter or Taylor Marsh to find out what the Obama camp’s been up to. There’s been plenty of petty crap from them, too. You just don’t read about it here.
I am so disgusted with my party. I have seen the erosion of our rights and stifling of our voices effected by neocons, and more than abetted by some of the feeble progressives we have elected to serve and protect us.
As am I, although I don’t really think of it as my party. It’s astonishing how little use they are, until you realize that the default Democratic strategy has been to find people who are rich enough to finance their own elections and get them to run. You’re not going to find many people that way who understand what it’s like to be poor, and that it isn’t always going to be the fault of the poor. When you consider that people who work in Congress are among the financial elite of this country no matter which party they come from, what you see there starts to make sense.
We need to change this process, I think.
Hi Lindy. Thanks for that link. Very interesting stuff.
Note that at around 2000 C, it is possible to generate H2 by thermolysis of water. I don’t know much about the efficiencies however.
Good point.
It seems to me Hillary is the problem, so I’m in the same boat as Thatguy. Could you give me some links or point me to what you are talking about. Who is Taylor Marsh?
OkI Googled Taylor Marsh and learned she is a pro Hillary columnist on the Huffington Post. The post I read accused Obama of using the Mass governor’s words (I forget his name). Turned out the governor told Obama to do it. For an article that says Taylor Marsh lies about many things see
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..708/438638
I don’t know how to copy and paste addresses so I hope it’s right.
Still think the blame is Hillary’s
“What do we owe the Beltway?” A heaping helping of Throw the Bastards OUT!
Start w/ the DINO/DLC war- & corporate-lovin’ swine like SHillary, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, etc.
I’ll be working for Cindy Sheehan’s campaign against Pelosi this summer. The war enablers are holding on to their beloved NeoCon wet dream no matter how bad the situation gets. At least the people in Iraq are suddenly fighting back strongly against the occupation puppet gov’t. It looks like the Tet offensive all over again, & the Chimpy proclaiming that “our allies {Puppets{ are fighting valiantly” won’t end the uprising