Yesterday there was much metaphorical gnashing of teeth and rending of garments over polling that said a fifth to a quarter of Obama or Clinton supporters would vote for McCain in the general election. Naturally this led to one thing, blog agita — at least before the blog finger-pointing began.
But while this is not exactly great news, it also is not reason for leaving the planet so that Pfizer and Halliburton-KBR can duke it out for ultimate control of our precious final reserves of "the spice" (don’t worry I can work more Sci-Fi references in if you want, Hari Seldon gave me "the math").
Remember that such foot-stomping is not unheard of:
The presidential primary season may prove to be a decisive factor in Campaign 2000, not only for who won, but for the way the winners emerged from the process in the eyes of the voters. Al Gore was clearly helped, and George W. Bush was just as clearly hurt. The vice president has improved his personal image, while making gains among two key groups whose support had eluded him last year, independents and men. In contrast, many people have come to dislike Bush personally, especially former supporters of John McCain. As a consequence, the Texas governor now trails Gore for the first time in a nationwide Pew Research Center survey, by 49%-43%….
Sadly, we know how that turned out. But there is no reason to think once this very competitive and now unduly nasty nomination campaign ends the winner will not be able to patch things up.
At least my candidate will. As Thers has said, your personal choice will clearly suck far too much to be able to do this.
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So?!?
ah, yea, that great sucking sound.
is the great sucking sound the sound made when the money dries up?
go to bed, goddammit!!
i dunno, maybe that great sucking sound of the corp. media sucking all the air outta the room.
like i’m gonna fall for that old horse, jayt. the minute i leave, out come the spitballs and rubber bands.
yay 4 spitballs!
actually, nap sounds better :)
*poof*
the minute i leave, out come the spitballs and rubber bands….
Spitballs?
I plan on outright slander and other nefarious dealings……. *g*
g’nite tw3k
What was that thing…
a Cool-Whip cup and about 12 feet of surgical tubing?
The “Pocket Trebuchet” we called it in high school; launched melons across campus during “Spirit Rally’s.”
just bein’ a selfish SOB -
Neil and wife…
oops – wrong button:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzcH87Yxjok
Attaturk – I usually agree with ya, but I have got to argue this one.
It seems obvious, that my candidate, being full of teh awesome, will make things right after the convention. The only fly in the ointment, would be that your candidate, full of teh suck, is gonna single handedly bring the world to an end before my candidate has a chance to show us all the way to the big rock candy mountain!
Having once again reached that portion of the program where I’m just entertaining myself, and tryin’ to stay awake:
Lenny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAeYTC_uY54
Trying to stay awake?
What happened to tryin to go to sleep?
well yeah, about that….
I’ve got a Motion in my hot little hands which needs to be filed this morning…
And it’s gonna cause a true shit-storm.
So be it. I’ll deal with anybody, in good faith, but when ya turn around and screw me – all bets are off. This one’s gonna get ugly – but by the time that Da Judge sees it, I should be safely snuggled in bed – talk to the machine…..
do tell?
can’t wait to hear about it
Fuckin’ trail lawyers :-)
nite jayt, pups
jesus – long fuckin’ story….
hmmm -short story… Client got suckered by an internet lottery scam outta Canada (ok, so not all that bright, but that, thank Dog, is still not a crime). So she gets a check written on a Delaware company called ***** Security, Inc., and a note that she, before she can collect the hundreds of thousands of dollars that she just “won”, needs to send a check back to *****, Tax Accountant, also in Canada.
So she did, without waiting for the original check to clear.
State told me that, once she entered into an agreement with the bank which was holding her bad check – case would be dismissed – as it should have been, never having been a criminal matter at all – civil case, through and through.
So – my client enters into an agreement with the bank to re-pay – holding up her end of the deal. Now the State is saying fuck you – that’s an installment agreement, what we *really* meant to say was “lump-sum”, which just flew outta somebody’s ass – sure as hell was never conveyed to me.
So essentially, in a coupla hours, I’m gonna walk in and file a Motion saying that the State lied to me, dishonored its agreement, acted dishonorably, and basically is trying to shove one up my and my client’s asses.
Not gonna happen – at least not without a down-in-the-fuckin’-dirt fight….
No too surprising really. I will have a hard time voting for either of the two remaining republican lite candidates (actually only one of them is “lite”) and as the next prez will be doomed to making a bollix of Iraq and a bollix of the economy and will not be going after the illegal doings of bushtheshit I am not so sure that a number of those questioned are just bloody angry over the fact that neither of the “Dem” candidates are worth a vote.
T-Rex lives!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKTrZixikUc
jesus, I need some sleep….
nite, newton.
And you’re right about trial lawyers – hate ‘em
Oh – wait a minute….
I like Mika, ummm, burrrrrzinski….
Well, Shrub did lose the popular vote, and with help from constant cheer”lede-ing” by BigMedia, Shrub and his BigMoney friends were able to steal the Selection from Gore. The Dem nominee will have BigMoney and BigMedia actively trying to tear him/her down.
And I know how it’s popular around here and some places to simply say they “both suck” and “my candidate is teh awesome,” but our choice couldn’t be clearer, especially after the last couple of weeks. I mean, now we have 20 of one candidate’s gazillionaire supporters threatening the Dem Party that they’ll take their ball and go home if Pelosi doesn’t do exactly as they say?!?!
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk…..linton.php
This is actually a dream come true for me, since it’s all finally getting all out in the open that DLC style Dems exist to destroy Liberalism. Let’s hope that one candidate’s supporters can understand this now.
Plus, in 3.5 months, we’ve seen one candidate skyrocket to levels never seen before in American politics, and we’ve seen another candidate plummet dramatically. This “vetting” stuff’s a bitch, isn’t it?
tap, tap, tap…….
Is this thing on?
If only she would listen to the damn voters!
Yep And leaving Florida and Michigan in limbo helps?? I am pissed off with Dr Dean. He is so given to rules that he is going to dinenfranchise two major states. Oh yes I know rules is rules. But giving Iowa and New Hampshire the first two bites: that is the silliest rule of all. Why not hold the primaries on one day after an intense 6 months of campaigning nation wide and have every one vote. This caucus system might be great for democracy but time constraints and organising snafus have been a problem. I was not able to attend because I could not get off work.
Ah, just the thread, I see.
Today we pause to remember Richard Widmark, a solid celluloid thespian and by all accounts fine gentleman. Many people remember his debut as the iconically demented Tommy Udo in Kiss of Death. More worthy of the man are probably such roles as JAG prosecutor Lawson in Judgement at Nuremberg.
But I will never forget his tongue-in-cheek performance as Rolfe in The Long Ships, as awful a movie as I have ever seen, in which Widmark played, yes, a Viking Crusader. His elán in that film is often contrasted to the relatively stolid performance by Sydney Poiter, as Rolfe’s “Moorish” archenemy; but it must be conceded that Widmark did not have the onus of bringing to the world the expression “Mare of Steel;” try saying that without a Tommy Udo giggle. On watching that scene, one can hardly help noticing Widmark’s appreciation.
It can be a comfort to read of someone who seems to have led a decent, enjoyable, and somehow perhaps productive life. Peace to him.
Not really much Dean can do about it. The FL/MI situation was voted on by a DNC Committee, made up of people elected onto that committee. If you want different rules, get involved with your local Dem chapter and start rallying support for your ideas. It’s likely wherever you are, you now have a local Dem chapter thanks to Howard Dean.
Obama has won more primaries than Clinton. It’s not just caucuses that he’s winning.
They’re both centrists, and yes, they both suck. But your candidate sucks even more than mine. Last night Tweety and Friends spent at least the first half of the show trashing her. (I couldn’t watch any more so I switched to basketball.)
They are both centrist Dems. I find it interesting that no one around here talks about the time Obama appeared with gay hater Donnie McGlurkin. There was a post about it here at FDL and everyone was up in arms.
You Obamapups better prepare yourselves for that in the general. What will you do if he sucks up to the gay haters? I think there’s a good chance he will.
Morning, folks:
Something extraordinary has happened at FDL–the powers that be at FDL has banned the only FDL front-pager person of color…for ironic and stupid reasons…read all this exchange that began here from Late Late Nite…and then read the rest of the thread…
OK, Mods have decided to censor my comments…
can’t wait to see the outcome, thanx for sharing
by the way;
did you read about the guy that ebaye’d someone elses home contents for free?
he said he was leaving the country and wanted to give contentes away
the scam, the home wasn’t the ebayers…guy came home to a house emptied by people who thought they had license to take
I am not positive this story actually unfolded but I do no it is being told
Remember that such foot-stomping is not unheard of:
Won’t that just summon the giant worms.(dune)
tremors (movie gave me the heebee jeebees)
g’nite all
work ‘em in, Attaturk…the SciFi references that is…except I thought the true afficionados called it SF….hmmmm, but then we might confuse it with Teddy’s home base….so maybe…. must have caffeine…..
spicily yours, Prairie *g*
Tremors was fun! At least, the first two or three of them were.
Goodnight, Suz.
Whoa? Bedtime? Some of us are risin’…. mornin’, pups?
Me too.
Tread softly, Suzanne’s goin to bed.
Nite nite Suzanne.
check out this hoax, I found the link, I don’t know if it’s true
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/n…..slist-hoax
and the story goes on…sounds to me like the story itself is a hoax though
Whoa, wait a minute… ….do you mean to tell me a couple weeks ago I was giving medical advice to a TRIAL LAWYER?!?!
Oh me so fucked.
It’s true, it has happened a couple times with craigslist. Case last year, they found the poster of the ad and locked him up. Bad shit, my friend.
Good morning, pups. BellSouth screwed up the internets toobz for me at home, and they want me to actually do work here… I do still have coffee, tea, hot chocolate and cranberry pecan muffins to share, though. A milestone has been reached — we’re out of the 300s — only 299 days to go. Have a good one.
.do you mean to tell me a couple weeks ago I was giving medical advice to a TRIAL LAWYER?!?!
No comment.
lol. thanks though.
I keep telling myself if Hillary gets on the ballot, I’m still voting for Barack. Is that bad?
That was one reason I had opposed him for a very long time, and I wrote a lot of comments about that. Obama does support a full repeal of the DOMA where Hilliary supports a partial repeal. They both oppose gay marriage, and both support civil unions.
On the whole their support of the gay community has been great. Obama doesn’t need to embrace the gay haters to win as he’s been demonstrating. That was one appearance, which he has since disavowed.
I’m not a one issue voter, and I do have some reservations about Obama. When it comes to this issue however I’ll take the candidate who will completely remove one of many roadblocks in place that keep me from having my full rights as American.
well, it’s gettin’ to be about that time where I get to go down and unleash the shit-storm…..
Fuck it -after that, I’m goin’ ta sleep.
Karma, Kay, I’ve had the same thought….
Matt Taibbi on Imus this a.m. LOL funny.
Says: media need to stop piling on stories like the Rev. Wright one, it’s a form of censorship of talking about real stuff. Hillary’s bringing it up again was to distract from her Tuzla screwup. Falsely claiming being under gunfire not the kind of lie you want to tell running against John McCain. On a 1-10 scale of political mistakes, a 38.
Well, that’s a good answer– I hope you’re right. I’ll vote for Obama if he wins the nomination, as long as he doesn’t stray too close to the center.
and CSPAN’s full of whiney racist callers going on about Rev Wright this morning.
Morning!
Let ‘er rip — it sounds like they need to have their parade seriously rained on.
What gives things have been tense? Well that happens every now and then. The women don’t know what they want crack is offensive I mean do men know what they want beyond what they want right now? I think it deserves some
discussionerargumenter what ever the next step is.But losing frontpager status? That seems a little rough, maybe I’m missing something.
I like Biodun Iginla’s comments I think he adds to the discussion I hope he continues to comment here. That said management has made a decision.
And when I vote in November, the Supreme Court front and center in my mind.
Apparently the comment you’re replying to has been scrubbed. What was the issue? Who’s losing front page status?
It wouldn’t hurt. There is no way in hell I’m voting for McCrazy or any republican..that’s for darn sure!
If it makes you feel better, I was banned from another blog because some of the “highly intelligent wealthy” women bloggers hated my guts, because I didn’t tow their line in their hate of the Democratic Party. So hey! We’ve all been through it.
Please don’t leave. You are one of many assets here. :-)
Biodun says bye bye FDL.
Biodun Iginla his comment I referenced had links with the reasons why he’s in trouble near as I can tell he said something dumb about women for which I think he should be called out on but we do that kind of thing on the Lake all by ourselves so I’m not sure whats all going on.
Oh, no… I thought he was a real asset, even if I didn’t always agree with everything he had to say. I may try to reason [read “beg and plead” here] wtih him on Facebook. That sucks…
LOL I had no idea Boidun was a man. *shaking head* This is what happens when I don’t nose enough into people’s lives on the blogs. ;-)
We all need to work at tolerating differing opinions more and letting mistakes go after we argue about them.
Bill and Hillary’s current 72 hour campaign meme of the benefits of ’spirited debate’ in a democracy hopes to keep the charade going that we’re operating in a pre-9/11, pre-fascistic, business-as-usual, peacetime potical environment where a little excitement is needed to stir up the masses. As if Americans and the world haven’t had the shit kicked out of them enough for the last seven years by politicians of all stripes.
I’m afraid the Clintons, who I once supported before Hillary’s sincere vote for the war, have lost my interest and respect, having shown preference for gutter sleeze when cornered that I used to naively believe was reserved for the likes of nutcase conspiracists like Richard Mellon Scaife.
Yes, Obama has some more ’splainin’ to do about his pastor or his grandma, but at least he’s delivered a reasoned, and I believe, amazingly inspiring vision in response to the YouTube “Assault on White America” vids, while Hillary could only muster a tepid, very Bush-like shrug and smile regarding getting caught in her very Bush-like lies about her adventures in Bosnia dodging hostile verse and stray phonemes on the tarmac.
I’m beyond done with Karl Rove in the White house. So, naturally, I don’t want another 4-8 years of fear and lies from warhawks like whats-his-name, the old Republican guy running for office, or, potentially, Hillary…who appears to have taken to sweating to the oldies while watching her pirated copy of the “Joementum Abs-of-Steal WorkOut” DVD released a couple years ago.
Fuck the polls. Too easy to skew them and too easy to lie about them or to misrepresent the results. Fuck ‘em, piss on ‘em. If we don’t own or control them, don’t rely on them. Read them, maybe, but only on the theory that while you keep your loved ones close, keep your enemies closer. Those polls tell us a great deal about how the pollsters (and their owners) think about us even as they tell us little of predictive value.
Yes we do, but some have to keep it going to make themselves feel better in their opinions. There are two blogs right now created to go after me. One is by a right wing troll (understandable) and the other is by a bunch of so-called liberal/progressives. *shaking head*
It never ends. LOL
I love it here at FDL. Many different opinions and a nice sense of community despite the differences. ;-)
Officially going to work now.
It’s too bad religion has become an issue in this campaign, because it has no place in politics. I was a bit put off when Obama said something to the effect that we [too] worship an awesome God in the blue states. That statement leaves us atheists out in the cold. I wish he would stick to the political issues, but this stupid Wright controversy scotched that prospect. Yesterday Barack said that we should not be distracted by people saying dumb things, so maybe he is sending us a message to stop sniping at Hillary, and keep our eye on the prize in November.
I have to stop reading these Progressive Blogs, even though I am not a Hillary fan, it seems like I am reading the Drudge Report or Russ Limp Paws diatribe. Even though I am not going to vote Democratic this time, I will vote for Ralphie, most of these people are destroying the Democratic nominees before the election. Even all the supposedly Progressive radio talk shows come out with their extreme bias towards Hillary. Ah well, it will be interesting to see Insane McCain makes a close election out of it.
Any “Democrat” who would vote for McCain if their candidate doesn’t get the nomination isn’t a Democrat. Or an independent. Or have an IQ above room temperature. I would say ditto for Ralph Nader voters, too. I am old enough to remember Nader’s insanity from years ago. Clue phone: Nader is insane or senile. Voting for him makes you look insane, or like a 10-year-old.
That said, I am an Obama supporter who will not vote for Hillary. Why? Obama won, and if Clinton steals the nomination, doesn’t that say it all? Besides, I am not rich. Therefore, I don’t find Hillary’s “I can out-Republican any Republican” very funny.
If she succeeds in her theft, I simply will not vote. Living in California, that is easy. Whatever Democrat gets the nomination will take CA. If I lived in, say, Missouri, I would have to think long and hard.
What no one seems to be getting in the McCain versus hypothetical dem is that today the dems are in a very nasty battle. Alot of Obama supporters today will say they are voting for McCain in a Obama/McCain matchup and the same would be true for Clinton supporters in a Obama/McCain mathchup. My guess is that at the very least half of these people will eventually come to their sences and not vote against their best interest. If you add these percentages to the current dead even polls you would find both Clinton and Obama way out in front of McInsane.
The (un)Democratic party — the party I have supported for 45 years!
I am so disgusted with Dean, Pelosi (not impeach), Reid (FISA coward) — I want these a**holes gone as much as I want Bush, et al., gone.
One person, one secret ballot (if eligible, registered, and in state of residency). A complete and accurate count.
How can we deny or not count a vote by a citizen, and then allow a supposed higher authority approve or enforce the evil? Then, are we to let the clock run out, so any challenge becomes moot? Oh! I remember now. But, this time it is ‘we against us.’
All of this other blather about one candidate dropping out for the sake of the party is just a smokescreen — while the clock ticks down.
We still have plenty of time, resources, and options to have a primary revote in both Florida and Michigan — not caucuses, but real primary elections.
I am so disgusted with my party. I have seen the erosion of our rights and stifling of our voices effected by neocons, and more than abetted by some of the feeble progressives we have elected to serve and protect us.
How are we to repair the damage caused by this war, the gluttony at the top, our ignorance of the disadvantaged, the putrid behavior of the fourth estate, etc., if we do not have our vote and voice?
It seems that supporting our party, voting, marching, waving signs, and typing words into emacs buffers will have little, if any, impact.
Throughout this campaign, I have said that I would support any candidate nominated by our party.
I am beginning to believe that my only option is to write in a vote for whichever Democratic candidate is NOT nominated.
No citizen should be denied the opportunity to participate in a primary or disenfranchised in an election. Fix the Florida-Michigan debacle. Let the primaries continue as they may. Then the Presidential Election, Electoral College, and Swearing in. Then we clean up our party by getting rid of our own bags-o-sh*t, beginning with Dean, Pelosi, and Reid. Then we gut the DNC and get our primary rules right.
To shell at 68- I think I pretty much have you in age, I started voting democrat in 1960. I certainly will not vote for McCain and I did not vote for Hillary in the Michigan primary, I voted for Edwards. I Dont understand how you think Obi one has the nomination locked up, the last I heard there were still a lot of primaries to go and he hasn’t proved he can win a big state. As for voting for Ralphie makes a helluva lot more sense than your states senators and Nancy Pelosi, who will not uphold their constitutional duty and impeach these bastards. That is why I am voting for Ralphie.