I guess we all know now that the media get all worked up about some presidential candidates who have dealings with religious figures deemed "anti-American" and "hateful" -- but not all of them. If it's a black pastor at a church attended by a Democrat, well, they're on that like stink on shit. If, on the other hand, it's a Republican candidate who embraces apocalyptic nutcases and gay-bashing extremists, well, the very scent seems to make them faint.
The same principle is at work regarding the media's allergy to reporting on the way Republicans and the Moonies have their hands so deeply into each others' pockets that they're making their coins jingle. Of course, as John Gorenfeld explores in detail in his new book, Bad Moon Rising: How Reverend Moon Created the Washington Times, Seduced the Religious Right, and Built an American Kingdom, this has been going on a long time. There was a brief exception back in 2004 -- when Moon held his coronation as the "King of America" in the Senate Dirksen Building.
So we can only assume that they'll likely ignore the revelations in Gorenfeld's book that none other than uber-lobbyist Charlie Black -- not just McCain's "chief political adviser" but a right-hand man for the Bush clan as well -- played a role in making that coronation happen.
According to Gorenfeld, Black admitted to helping invite people to attend the coronation. And he's listed as a sponsor in the coronation's printed program.
You recall what happened at that event: A number of congressional figures, including at least one Democrat, Danny Davis of Illinois, participated in a ceremony in which Moon was crowned "King of America" and his place as the new Messiah rather officiously confirmed. The ceremony declared "the era of the Eternal Peace Kingdom, one global family under God." Immediately afterward, Moon confirmed to the participants that he was consulting with great leaders of the past in the spirit world: "The five great saints [Jesus, Confucius, Buddha, Mohammad, and Shankara] and many other leaders of the spirit world, including even Communist leaders such as Marx and Lenin, who committed all manner of barbarity and murder on earth, and dictators such as Hitler and Stalin, have found strength in my teachings, mended their ways and been reborn as new persons."
Gorenfeld had an e-mail exchange with Black about his role in the affair:
Before the crowning became a scandal, I e-mailed Black questions about his role. "I lent my name and sent invitations to a few friends," he replied. "Unfortunately, I had a conflict and couldn't go to the event." Was it a common kind of "event"? Black said, "I don't know if it is annaul, but they have done similar events. I don't know Reverend Moon, but work with the management of the Washington Times and their foundation occasionally on conservative causes. I think the dinner committee list included a number of us 'secular' conservatives."
McCain's "chief political adviser" is deeply connected inside the Beltway powerhouse. [More here.] A Washington Post piece on the lobbyists inside McCain's campaign notes:
His chief political adviser, Charles R. Black Jr., is chairman of one of Washington's lobbying powerhouses, BKSH and Associates, which has represented AT&T, Alcoa, JPMorgan and U.S. Airways.
[More on BKSH here.]
And of course, it's helpful to recall the kinds of things that Moon has said which seem not to bother conservatives in the least:
The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the world. I will go beyond the boundary of the U.S., opening up the toll gate, reaching out to the end of the world. I will go forward, piercing through everything ...
When we are in our battle against the whole nation of the U.S. -- if you are truly in love with this nation, and if you love this nation more than anyone else, this nation will come into God's possession, and Satan will have nothing to do with it. ... With that as the bullet, we can smash the whole world.
Individualism is what God hates most, and Satan likes best.
God likes the idea of a monarchy, because it removes the cycles of election after election which can obscure the focus and direction of the nation.
The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the whole world.
The time will come when, without my seeking it, that my words must serve as law.
We will be able to amend laws, articles of constitution, if we wish to do so.
Telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing ... that is not a sin ... Even God tells lies very often.
I have met many famous, so-called famous, Senators and Congressmen; but to my eyes they are nothing. They are weak and helpless. We will win the battle. This is our dream, our project. But shut your mouth tight.
After the demise of communism and the destruction of democracy, all that will remain will be the True Family and True Children system, centered upon True Parents [Moon's title for himself and his wife]. That is what is happening now.
America may boast of its virtues to the world, but look, democracy is now reaching the end of its rope. People thought democracy is the final anchor of the free world, but it is reaching its end. So what is left? America has been telling the weaker nations that they have to accept democracy, forcing them to receive so-called democracy. But look at America. It is rotten, top to bottom. There is nothing to be proud of, not their way of walking or talking or thinking.
When you hear me putting America down, your ears are not pleased. But if we continue living in this hub of the satanic world, this New York-DC area, we are in the darkness.
When Clinton and his policies come into being, the first opposition must come from Christianity. But Christianity has lost its center and its hope. For that reason, they have lost their power, and that is why Clinton was allowed to win the election. It was the failure of Christianity. This nation which is supposed to be Christian has been turned into almost a model nation for Satan, losing everything precious. People are losing their own identity, losing brotherhood, losing their own parents, and losing God. This nation has really become a playground for Satan.
Apparently, you're only anti-American if you're a liberal Democrat.
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ssssSo?!?
moonie time
Scary Moon.
But I’m sure this will be good for Republicans.
Can I have myself crowned “queen of America” if I have enough money? This is a disgusting thing for our politicians to have taken part in and think it should get lots of publicity during the general.
Jeez , we used to laugh at the Moonies selling flowers on street corners turning all the profits over to their Leader… They were mostly suburban kids desperate for group identity during the late 60’s-70’s.
I don’t feel like laughing anymore.
Let’s not also forget who is now the executive editor at the Moonie Times — specialist-in-Democrat-gotcha former APer & WaPostie John Solomon. This is the position formerly held by Gingrich spokesbot Tony Blankley.
Muck Foon.
-G
Hey I thought Gilhooley was the “King of America”!
(obscure movie reference and kudos to whomever correctly identifies the movie)
Personally I am deeply disturbed at the thought of this old pervert playing pocket pool with anyone capable of using the tool in the first place. I have to draw the line somewhere and this makes me want to toss forth my cookies.
Funny how a certifiable fruit basket with a religion, from another country, that bribes our congress near people openly and they do some kind of perp dance in public on film, (again, don’t want to know what they are doing in the green room, on film, because it is going to be green in my room here in a minute)
And the pastor, and american, tells the truth about why the third world doesn’t like us. Everyone barks at the american that enjoys the right to free speech but isn’t entitled to it.
This country is full of stupid rubes that just aren’t going to get any smarter unless it is mandated by law. Only democrats can stand to educate them, damn liberal bias toward truth again. Only republicans can’t afford any more people they need to disenfranchise before the next election because they only have 35% of the electorate anyway.
If anyone else sees how hopelessly this is fucked up beyond all potential repair, laugh out loud and figure out what you are going to do when the Moonhole is named god emperor of Arizona and spiritual counselor to america. You get what you pay for.
I see a Bad Moon Rising!
david–i’ve been pulling up names as they come up on www.newsmeat.com
itemized lists of political contributions goint back to 1980-website said 1978, but it was changeed.
anyway, you mention democrat danny davis of illinois as being a participant in the ceremony.
well, he’s been popping up on the donation lists of many deep-pocket contributors to the republican party, i wondered what committees he was on, or what? why so many donations to him, and hadn’t looked it up yet.
large bucks.
can’t remember names, i’ve been doing so many……wasn’t looking for him….but saw his name there.
mostly, i’ve been reading lists of people, and seeing where they’re coming from, and where they have been employed when they made the donations, the where employed part has been very interesting.
his name was on a lot of their lists.
what you said could be one explanation.
thanks.
With this Rev Wright stuff going on, it appears that there’s a new black crime in America. There’s:
Walking while black.
Driving while black.
And now there’s preaching while black.
Once again, the politics of fear reigns supreme.
Donovan’s Reef
Yep. Now, did you use der google or did ya already know the answer? :})
Of course you can and you don’t need a lot of money. You get that afterwards. OK, Queen Twain? May you reign forever!
Many parallels can be made with this song and this whole Moon thing. And there’s mellotron in it… :-)
This Moon is so cool and audacious. I find it hysterical, but obviously many either believe him, or don’t know what he advocates.
This is so outrageous it’s hard to believe. But I am led to believe that Moon controls most the world’s fishing. I can’t even imagine this.
How do crazies get so far in the post enlightenment era?
Hey, did Moon say any of this in English? Maybe that is why nobody notices. No subtitles and nobody speaks Korean.
Here is how I expect they will spin it, if we try and tie them to it. Notice the tricks they use:
George H.W. Bush, “You say that the good Rev. said, ‘The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the whole world.’ Well first, I wasn’t there when he allegedly said that. Second, if he did say that, which I doubt, he was probably speaking metaphorically. Third, he does a lot of good works. And finally, just because someone might have heard a translated version of something someone supposedly said doesn’t mean that person agrees with everything he says. And even though I travel around the world on Rev. Moon’s dime doesn’t mean that I’m beholden to him. For example, my son traveled around the US on Ken Lay’s Enron jet during his first run for President but he didn’t do him any favors when the company ended up going belly up. See how independent we are? So your attempts to make me responsible for what someone else says or does that you happen to dig up is really ridiculous. What kind of idiots would hold someone responsible for something that they didn’t even hear!”
1,793 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Neiwert and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Why are we even talkin’ about this stuff… our whole system is corrupted from top to bottom and there is no one to enforce ANYthin’ on the fascist bastards that are bankruptin’ the country and investin’ in retirement properties in Paraguay. Bush, Cheney and the rest of the goblins that serve the oligarchy are doin’ a soft shoe on the White House lawn while the entire Middle East goes up in flames. The federal treasury has been looted and then used as collateral on loans to the Chinese to equip corporate mercenary armies. Bridges, roads and schools are collapsin’, folks are literally dyin’ in the streets and tens of thousands of Americans are losin’ their homes while investment bankers take millions in golden parachutes and bail outta their Lear Jets over the French Riviera. And in the meantime, one of the candidacies for the Democratic nomination for President is run by the same firm who runs the Republican nominee and that “Democratic ” candidate is sittin down with Richard Mellon Scaife and challengin’ the patriotism of the real Democrat in the race. And finally, the Republican nominee takes millions in public financin’ and then says “thank you very much” I’ll jest leverage this with a couple hundred million from my corporate bosses.
Now, if Aristophanes had written this for a drama festival, the Greeks woulda run it off the stage as pushin’ the limits of satire and comedy…but this is reality in the USA and I’m gettin’ a sinkin’ feelin’ that God has jest about had enough of American fascism.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE IS NO COMPROMISIN’ WITH FASCISTS!!
sander0 at 17–i would go to baptist bible study to learn and interchange, but i would never go to a moonie thing.
just wanted to be clear on that. * g *
fishing? do you have a name of the company or a link?
Here’s one of my favorites:
Both Democrats and Republicans were there in various positions: guests, chair, co-chair, etc. and none of them remember ever signing on to this event even though their photo proves they were a participant in the great Moonhe and Moonshe coronation.
Moon has been around for a very long time and was as crazy decades ago as he, Madam Moon and all the mini moonies are today. People laught because it was so outrageous but the fact remains, millions follow him and accept his Word. He doesn’t hide his nefarious ideology. How did he ever get into any state building and why did these Congressclowns attend? Coronation, my a**.
If Moon asks his followers to drink coolade and die for him, would they? They will do what Jim Jones’ followers did.
Wow.
The Moonies have vast business enterprises
I seem to remember the something about the fishing thing too, I’ll keep looking for something specific, (unless someone else does first)
norske at 19–says in part-”Why are we even talkin’ about this stuff… our whole system is corrupted from top to bottom and there is no one to enforce ANYthin’ on the fascist bastards that are bankruptin’ the country and investin’ in retirement properties in Paraguay.”
and one of the reasons why our whole system is corrupted?
moon
guess who has the retirement property right next next to bush royalty in paraguay? only he has a ’MILLION’ acres, and the bush’s not so much.
moon.
that’s why it matters norske.
did ya read my post at 11? that’s just one.
his money is right now being spent all over the world. by businessmen, by politicians, by the people running everything into the ground as they pocket the extra.
this post outta PISS YOU OFF!
well, it’s not worded as strongly as the one the other day, did you see the post the other day about moon?
go read it, my dear, your eyes will pop ’outta your head………
saaaaaaaaa-lute.
The video at the top of the post said he virtually supplies all the sushi bars in America from filthy working conditions.
People in Washington are reluctant to talk about him, and if you do, it sounds unbelievable. So the craziness continues.
Sushi and Rev. Moon
Hiya Dave! The Moonies are the most underreported influence in DC. Their money (not to mention their daily fish-wrap) ensures that they get no attention and no one speaks ill of them, after all the WT may be hiring some day and they will be putting in a resume.
Sunny Moon is a frightening guy and most Americans would shy away from him like a bad smell, but he stays hidden behind surrogates like Johnny McVain who do his bidding and convey some degree of respectibility, usually with full intent to do same…
-retch-
From Chicago Tribune on “True World Group”.
Specifically, a lot of the sushi consumed in US is from these guys.
oh KEVIN!!!!!!!!!!!
that is the info list i have been trying to find FOREVER!
was looking for it to match it up with www.newsmeat.com contributor’s lists………
oh my, i just won the lottery.
thanks so much!
wow
When this moonie thing was mentioned a few threads ago I did some link surfing, but I don’t save them and would have to do a history thingy to try to find it.
Suffice it to say that he seems to control oodles of fishing fleets and operations. The original link came from sushi in chicago. ICK.
NorskeFlamethrower,
I’m with your frustration, but if there is a God (I doubt it, but what the fuck do I know?), then it’s about time he/she/they has had enough of American fascism, I know I have.
Shine the light, David, these really are cockroaches.
thanks dakine!!!!!!!
another smooch for you!
i heard about the sushi, but no company name…and quit looking, cuz i wanted a ’master’ list which kevin had…now i have both, thanks you guys!
and i coudn’t watch the video at the top or quebecois’ link, cuz i’m on dial-up.
Well shucks, my pleasure.
Damn, and I like sushi, now I have to find out who supplies the joints I want to go to.
1,793 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen dmac:
“…Moon. That’s why it matters, Norske.”
Oh dear, maybe yer new to American history but some of us have known about Moon for over 25 years as has the American government and the oligarchy of which he is now a part. These “revelations” are not new and they will be met with the same response that the original reporting on Moon met…stone cold silence.
The point of the rant is that all these fascists know that they can’t be touched, that we don’t have the stones ta take our country back and that all of this “democracy” stuff is jest a kabuki dance while the oligarchy runs off behind the stage with what’s left of the silver.
So,I’m glad you jest found out about this awful guy, Reverend Moon, but it doesn’t mean shit unless we are willin’ ta rise up and take ‘em all out and give ‘em up to juries in the Hague. So, Citizen dmc, I ain’t holdin’ my breath for you “liberals” ta pull the trigger on ANYthin’, jest take a pill and…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION IF YA AREN’T GUNNA SHOOT!!
We, me and kiddo, are fearful that the election next fall is being handed to John McCain.
Lahoma
Charlie Black supports the Reverend Moon, the right wing religious extremest and self-proclaimed “King of America.”
Charlie Black is a big wheel in John McCain’s presidential campaign.
The media should ask Sen. McCain–repeatedly, relentlessly until he unequivocably answers the question–whether he, like his key political advisor Charlie Black, supports Reverend Moon in his political delusions of grandeur.
Like they asked Barack Obama about his support from Farrakan (sp?), the media should demand that John McCain “reject and denounce” Moon’s plans to subvert the U.S. government and achieve world domination. And that he fire Charlie Black from his campaign if Black will not do likewise, as Clinton and Obama have been forced to fire campaign aides with whom they do not agree on controversial subjects.
Wouldn’t it be great if we had news media who would do that?
There is some link to every company which has a moonie link. Most of them you never heard of, but who know the name that these companies do business under.
OT Juan Cole on NewsHour now!
NorskeFlamethrower,
This is ammunition to fling at McCain. Especially if the fascist bastards keep up the Rev. Wright BS.
You mean no more sushi :^(
Oh well, my wallet will be happier for it.
McBush screwin the pooch in broad daylight 24/7 but all the reporters wanna talk about is the latest insults traded by Obama and Hillary….
Apparently, you’re only anti-American if you’re a liberal Democrat.
Well, yeah. Conservative “logic,” nearly universally follows the pattern not of “look a the facts and find a conclusion that fits,” but “pick the conclusion and find or invent ‘facts’ to justify it.” I was thinking of this again last night while watching Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow talk about the dichotomy of “things are going badly in Iraq, so we can’t leave”/”things are going great in Iraq, so we can’t leave” — they danced around how silly it is, but puzzled over the ‘logic’, without getting to the central point that there isn’t any logic, only rationalizing a predetermined conclusion. This is rarely called out because ordinary people’s minds rebel at it and don’t want to believe they’re actually doing it. About the only time we hear about it is in situations where they flip from one justification to a totally contradictory one so obviously that you can’t avoid remarking on it.
It’s the same thing with responsibility for religious figure supporters. Accusing a liberal Democrat of being anti-American isn’t a conclusion, it’s the only part they care about. Trying to show that they’re worse by their own logic will never work because there isn’t any logic, and we in the reality-based community aren’t shameless enough to pretend there is. If we’re lucky, the unflattering comparison may make them abandon a particular line of attack, but we shouldn’t kid ourselves that it’ll really stick.
Thank you David!
The Rev Mooon and McChaney will surely fight it out over that ‘king of Amerika’ thing.
We need to wake up to how computerized vote counting machines play their role in manipulating the outcome of our elections.
“….have their hands so deeply into each others’ pockets that they’re making their coins jingle.
I don’t think it’s to jingle coins!
the link kevinp has at 23
wow, what a treasure trove of slimeyness……..
EVERYONE–
look at it……….
look for the companies, and the community groups, and the non-profits, he’s in every aspect of life and commerce, even a car dealership in my hometown!!!!!! i wondered why they called it ’panda’ motors!
i can’t wait to let people know.
products i buy are on that list—i even know someone who works for one of the boat companies!
no way!
read over that list, see the ones that are familiar.
some are listed by state toward the end.
he set up all kinds of things in 2000 that are non-profits—right when bush started doling out money for faith-based groups, remember?????
wow, i hope someone does a post on this, on just the list.
kevinp-thanks, it’s gonna take me forever to go through this list, but just scanning it is a start. then i’ll pick off a few to look into.
i fear you are correct…. dems are handing rethugs lots of ammo to get the dems…. st john just has to lay in the cut as the dems do his work!! just pathetic!!
hey, NORSKE-
”Oh dear, maybe yer new to American history but some of us have known about Moon for over 25 years as has the American government and the oligarchy of which he is now a part. These “revelations” are not new and they will be met with the same response that the original reporting on Moon met…stone cold silence.”
NO, norske, i’m not new to it, why ya think i GIVE ASHIT about it?
i just never had a master list!!!!!!!!! now i do!
you’re allowed to have your ’revelations’ about things-aren’t ya?
nobody else is if it’s not in with your brain flow? /s
and i don’t think it’s so silent. but it will be if you keep shouting people down who are showing their own voice, it’s kinda hard to yell over you when you’re being a ’know it all’.
then you said—
”So,I’m glad you jest found out about this awful guy, Reverend Moon, but it doesn’t mean shit unless we are willin’ ta rise up and take ‘em all out and give ‘em up to juries in the Hague. So, Citizen dmc, I ain’t holdin’ my breath for you “liberals” ta pull the trigger on ANYthin’, jest take a pill and…”
norske, the difference between now and then, is this, internet, i can now pass this list on to 100 people who can pass it on to 100 people, that makes, 10,000 in one day, then that 10,000 passes on the list.
i don’t care if it’s only 100 people that read it, that’s still more than it was the last time he surfaced. and i’ve been watching him bob and come up for air for a long time, like a snake.
so, just cuz you’re in a shit mood, don’t piss on my leg and tell me to take a pill.
i finally have a workable list, and that makes me happy, so,
f y you grouch. * g*
love, dmac
Dmac, what’s that about Danny Davis and mysterious GOP donors? Would love to hear more about it.
The Republican currently representing MD-06, Roscoe Bartlett, is involved with the Moonies — at least enough to have been at one of his “coronations.” I’m hoping this will be the year the Dems take that seat, but it was gerrymandered to put all the Republicans from the state in it [thus making other districts safe for Dems].
Isn’t Moon like 250 years old? He’s not got long left. Statistically, he is likely to go around the same time that old John McCrazyCain will go…soon.
john at 53–
i pull up a gazillion people a day on political donations site, so, no idea which ones, cuz i wasn’t lookng for danny davis, didn’t know who he was, remembered hearing his name, but not WHO HE IS, just noticed he was appearing a lot, so i wondered what committees he was on—if their business had to do with his committee, would make sense……but i didn’t know much about him, and i know a little…..so, put it in the back of my brain, but didn’t take notes on it.
the past few days some of the people i have been pulling up, gop names , on www.newsmeat.com., have had danny davis on their list………quite a few.
they were owners, business people, and maybe consultants mostly.
the thing is, you can go to opensecrets.org and get donor lists, but not know who the people are, just a name—on newsmeat, you pull up the name, and it gives you lists of donations, and who they worked for at the time of the donation……..so, YEARS later, they’re pluggin; the pockets of someone, when the link was from YEARS AGO.
it’s been so many, i don’t remember who donated to him, if you’ve read the threads from this week, it’s mostly names i came across from there,and people associated with them, then sometimes, alternate names appear on the screen that are better than the one i searched…….it’s mostly the last few days i started wondering why he was showing up on gop donor lists………
a lot of times, you see prominent dems on gop lists, but i wouldn’t call danny davis prominent, so it made me wonder.
i keep telling people to pull up people on this website, it’s revealing, especially the jobs that people have had, the companies/gov depts they’ve worked for, that i had no idea about……and make so much sense.
i started to go to opensecrets.org to see what names looked familiar on danny davis’ list, and then pull them up on newsmeat, but haven’t had time yet, and my tubes are really slow today. so, was going to wait until server is better tomorrow-i’m on dial-up……so, i got caught up in reading the moon list, cuz i’ve been waiting to find that one for a long time……..
hope that helps…….i’ll look into it, might not be anything, don’t know, just made me curious, was a little odd…….check back with me if you see me on a thread. or if you need my email, let me know, if it’s that important.
john gorenfeld–i tried to get the contributors list on opensecrets.org, but for some reason, it never lets me search on that page……i’ve just written them to find out why.
if you want to get me the url for danny davis’ page for contributors, i’ll look at it. select all donations, by donor.
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.asp
john gorenfeld–i looked at many many many of my history links from the last few days, and can’t find it…….i’m not sayin’ it was anything, it just made me wonder…….stopping for now, but i’ll keep looking, cuz now i want to know.
David this is excellent. I’ve been doing PR on this book and this little movie is perfect. My question here is WHY ISN’T this Charlie Black thing getting heat like Wright?
It seems like such low-hanging fruit: McCain forced to fire advisor, ties to Moonies stated. Blahbittyblah.
Ugh
Anyway, thanks for a great post!!!