You’ve been reading a lot about Governor Spitzer’s nemesis Roger Stone around here lately. He’s very good at getting in the papers.
It does seem, though, that the guy who worked for everyone from Nixon to GWB is playing a smaller room than he used to
The crew slowly materializes. Stone’s lawyer and webmaster are available by phone. Miss Money-penny, Stone’s Australian-born assistant nicknamed after M’s secretary in the James Bond films, arrives to sort out the tax filings and artwork. A piercing horn sounds from across the bay, as a solar-paneled tugboat flying a peace flag and blasting Grateful Dead music anchors within 100 yards of Stone’s house. The captain, in a white skipper’s hat, disembarks, paddling his kayak the rest of the way ashore. It’s August West, Stone’s frequent co-conspirator, pseudonymously named after a character in the Grateful Dead song "Wharf Rat."
While casually attired in Key-West-wear (a dancing-bears Grateful Dead T-shirt and swimsuit), West has picked up some of Stone’s attention to sartorial detail. He switches his skipper’s hat for a straw number modeled after the one worn by Darren McGavin in the ’70s show Kolchak: The Night Stalker. "Wear a captain’s hat on land," West says, "and you look like a dork." Having started as Stone’s driver back during Stone’s days as a D.C. political consultant, West has gone on to do crisis communications work for everyone from the contras, to the party linked to the Salvadoran death squads ("not my proudest moment," he admits), to the Afghan freedom fighters ("getting Ladies’ Home Journal editors to ride camels through the Khyber Pass," he says, his dignity restored).
He, like Stone, has engineered a slew of 527s, the organizations named after the tax code section of the same number. In these puritanical McCain-Feingold-stricken times, such groups (from MoveOn.org to the anti-John Kerry Swiftboaters for Truth) have rapidly come to resemble the Wild-West outlaws of political speech. They are allowed to solicit unlimited contributions and practice all manner of often thinly veiled "issue education," so long as they don’t explicitly advocate the election or defeat of a specific candidate.
"It’s the last vestige of political free speech rights in this country," Stone says, bitterly and defiantly. "Money is speech," the First-Amendment absolutist rails. "It’s incongruous to say a multimillionaire can spend as much on his own campaign as he wants, but you can only give $2,300. His free speech rights are different from yours, thus violating the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. It’s absurd."
Despite the constant meddling of campaign-finance-reform busybodies, there is a certain liberation that comes with staying out of political campaigns proper and running your own 527. "A 527 doesn’t have a wife," Stone explains. "It doesn’t have a brother-in-law who knows a lot about politics, or a union president who calls and doesn’t like the color of the suit, or bimbo eruptions. It’s the perfect candidate, because it has no personal characteristics."
Both Stone and West are mostly mum, at least on the record, about the 527s they’ve run, saying they handle everything from agricultural interests, to "marking up" industry opponents (driving their negatives), to keeping slots out of racetracks, to getting slots into racetracks (the 527 racket is not the province of moral absolutists). When I ask why all the secrecy, and why I have to refer to West by an alias out of the Grateful Dead’s songbook, West responds, "Each one has a small reason why we can’t talk. There’s not a thematic reason."
Roger’s doing OK – he got a big chunk of native american gaming lobbying business as payback for leveraging his wife’s cuban-american family connections in service of the Brooks Brothers Riot in Miami that held up the count long enough for the court to stop it (he was allowed to help Abramoff staff the Bureau of Indian Affairs).
It’s kind of small potatoes for Stone, though – he was a big man in Dole’s campaign until his extracurricular activities sidelined him
Stone’s time-bomb tendencies brought a major life-change for him in 1996, effectively ending his career in mainstream presidential politics. While Stone was serving as an unpaid adviser to Bob Dole, the tabloids got hold of photos of Stone and his second wife, Nydia, striking come-hither poses in swinger’s ads, putting out the call for bedroom playmates with exacting specifications: "no smokers or fats please."
His denials were adamant, his alibis elaborate. There was lots of talk about disgruntled employees and frame-ups and credit-card fraud. When I bring this up to Stone, he looks pained. He says the revelations really hurt his wife, which is what bothers him the most. As for the alibis, he shrugs, "I did the best with what I had–which wasn’t much."
This is the kind of stuff he does admit to
The thing it’s important to remember, though, is that what he isn’t is competing for big money jobs.
There are tens of millions of dollars in presidential races, and he’s not touching them (sounds a bit peevish about it, doesn’t he?). I doubt it’s because of an ancient sex scandal.
I suspect it’s because you can’t afford to get a paper cut in a feeding frenzy, and his nice friends who share his values ate him.
Karma’s a bitch, neh?
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Julia!
sorry for being late. dialup’s not behaving.
so
hey, you.
It’s uncanny how you do that.
hey julia
hey
sorry about the holdup.
worth the wait… NOW i remember where i had heard of that no good roger stone before
does he still have the same wife?
dugg it
as the first? No.
As the one he did the ads with? Yeah, although there’s some confusion because her nom de friendly was different than her given name.
He’s still with her. It’s not perfectly clear whether he has one jag and five dogs or five jags and one dog, though.
always pesky trouble when one’s scene name is matched up with one’s public name
(All the way from Hawai’i, too!)
Hello, Julia. Isn’t it absurd what brings good men down? Imagine — all his political skulduggery and stink, and Stone’s brought low by being a swinger. Just think how much our country could accomplish if we could shed our Puritan heritage!
And think of the people we could shag!
Well, I suspect if he hadn’t been one of the top operatives in a family values campaign it wouldn’t have been such a problem…
Julia’s in the Isles? Which Isle?
That Mary, always looking out for her friends….
No, you! — silly.
Oy. In general I agree with you, but I kinda think on balance getting rid of this guy was one of the few proud moments of victorian moral hypocrisy
Long, actually.
I’d love to be in yours, though. I never have, and they’re so beautiful.
D’oh!
hello, suzanne
Mercenaries one and all.
blergh.
(I did like Kolchak though)
hello theodore
That they are! So are Stone’s sights set on Paterson? Is there a chance Bruno could end up as Guv…?
duck now, teddy…
incoming.
Oh Mary,
We are so 70’s!
I know a lot of friendly media sources in NY are trying for it, but I don’t think he’s popular enough to pull off a groundswell (and remember, he’s got his own FBI investigation to worry about)
Funny how they’re slow walking Bruno’s lapses…
Mark Penn’s pollster partner, Doug Schoen, chatz at WaPo tomorrow at 3pm eastern about his new book, “Declaring Independence,” in which he argues that 2008 is the best year yet for a third party to run in the space abandoned by the two major parties.
Here
What did I do???
mary, ygm
Cool and groovy man. I heard that. Sex, drugs and rock and roll. Peace. I am not a crook. Bummer. Good night John Boy.
Far out. Keep on truckin.
Beginning to seem that half the people in power are under investigation and the other half ought to be.
Wandering around looking for an honest politician – hard to find these day.
I suspect it’s because you can’t afford to get a paper cut in a feeding frenzy, and his nice friends who share his values ate him.
Though it would be nice if his friends did eat him, you may have wanted to say that his friends hate him. I could be wrong.
Like George looking for WMD’s at the White House Press Corp. DinDin.
Tiiiiny dancer…
The pace with which the corrupted BushCo DoJ walks investigations is an ongoing scandal. You know that the Public Integrity Section in the LA USatty’s office was disbanded during the big Spitzer saga week? This is the team that had Congressman Jerry Lewis in its sights.
There will be a long time cleaning up Abu Gonzales’ mess, and I don’t think “Judge” Mukasey has made a start on it at all.
Mayor Bloomberg is introducing Sen. Obama at an upcoming event.
-G
That Dubya and his dry wit! He’s hilarious, isn’t he? Quick, pull my finger!
No, I think what he currently is could be best explained by the theory that somebody in the past ate him.
That is really interesting – Bloomberg and Obama – and Hill is one of his Senators. Will wonders never cease.
See, it’s the details of the heterosexual swinging that I don’t really need to know….
Don’t blow my mind man.
What’s the ratio these days, 520+ Dems to 20+ Repugs… Seems like a pretty even ratio to me! No problem here, move along…! *gah*
Not even for the study of our pop culture?
Hah!
This kind of sleazebag floats, too.
that was a nice animated movie
Jethro Tull, so there!
Ram Dass!!!!
Ken Kesey!!!!
Stanley Mouse!!!!
(I actually know him)
The bloom is off the berg.
boa noite, pups
Mr and i are going to walk down and listen to some poetry and music
I feel pretty icey about the berg.
mighty mouse
g’nite wobbly
Stanley Mouse
I don’t really know him very well. He lived in Sonoma the same time I did. I remember that he had beautiful little girls.
Wonder Dog!!!!
Rough and Ready!!!!
How soon before GOoPers are calling for an investigation into ‘Air Baghdad’?
-G
Geez — how about the movie “Outside Providence” to laugh and cry. Working late tonight.
i wonder if stone heard about spitzer’s call girl by using the emperor’s club himself (or a similar service)?
Remember “Women in Love”?
Oliver Hunkman Reed. mmmm mm mmmmmmm
(momentarily delurking)
Evening, all…seemed like a slow night, so I just wanted to say hi to everyone.
OMG the nude fighting scene was a shock to me. But what really resonated was the talk between the sisters… and the death in the lake. I LOVED this film, Women in Love.
His story is that he met a hooker at a sex club and she told him that she was supposed to be having a meeting with the Governor of NJ (which she later changed to be the Governor of NY) but he wanted a different hair color.
Not a great story to try and work your way back into national politics with.
h rond
Ah, yes, the infamous “Third Way” approach which inevitably winds up being Republicanism by another name.
i do not believe his story – am remembering that stone had a hard-on for spitzer – but not remembering the details…
This is lovely, Julia!
Hi Ron, please join the fray.
hey pw
Seems all of the arrogant hubris filled politicians are porking the same five ladies.
makes me thankful that i am not among the 5
I don’t know why, but I think this is funny, the Palazzo Hotel opened recently in Las Vegas and has about 3,000 rooms, and Las Vegas is running out of water. Are people just stupid?
Apparently yes.
Can you imagine what Las Vegas will look like in 100 hundred years. Those styrofoam buildings will be rubble.
yes.
g’nite all.
and GregB @ 55: they are working on it in their tortured dreams as we speak.
You don’t mean that literally?
Talk about some sloppy seconds…! ;-)
Let’s not.
He was on research mission to see just how depraved those Democrats have become.
-G
suzanne at 57–”i wonder if stone heard about spitzer’s call girl by using the emperor’s club himself (or a similar service)?”
i wondered that, too…..if it was all a fight over a girl….
loosehead prop had this link-i think this is the one that said a call girl at a swinger’s bar in miami told stone.
sorry if it isn’t, my dial-up is wwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaay sloooooooowwwwww today and it wouldn’t load to check it.
but i know it’s one of the ’juicier’ links involving stone. another one was about spitzer’s black socks. that was in a letter to the fbi. from stone. wonder how he knew.
http://www.newsday.com/news/lo…..2493.story
it’s from lhp’s post here-all kinds of spitzer links in her post.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/03…..nt-1356995
:::blushing:::
uh ah metaphorically
Good evening Julia, Suzanne, pups…
Just say that to the face of the guy from Captain and Tenille… Blody wannabe.
Ask me what I did tonight?
thanks.. i knew i had read it and was trying to remember… thanks dmac :)
Whaa?
OK, off to scrub my frontal lobes with brill-o™
Night, folks.
what did you do tonight Q?
g’nite julia
Aloha, Julia! Excellent post!
This is kind of funny:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg…..30-457.stm
I’m with marymccurnin. Whaa?
although I may have to wait until morning to find out…
http://picasaweb.google.com/pi…..OqieSRF-Y4
after reading julia’s 61–”
His story is that he met a hooker at a sex club and she told him that she was supposed to be having a meeting with the Governor of NJ (which she later changed to be the Governor of NY) but he wanted a different hair color. Not a great story to try and work your way back into national politics with.”
it just occurred to me—-
maybe we’re being distracted from matching up the stone and wife swingers to THE OTHER GOVERNOR!!!!
remember the stuff about the gay/bi nj gov and threesomes with his wife? that she knew he was gay, cuz they had had threesomes? and one of them talked?
oh my god, that never occurred to me till now.
and i think this is one of the tackiest things i have ever said in my entire life…….
but i do wonder.
Let me guess, he has just the 3rd party candidate in mind…
Evening all. Seem to have turned into a bat, nocturnal and all, and presently a very pissed-off bat at that.
(paging Dr. Seuss, Dr. Howard, Dr. Seuss…)
which one are you?
stuffing green eggs and ham into modem for ya dood
http://republicansexoffenders.com/
Here’s an interesting site courtesy of David E’s Fablog. See if any hypocrites from your area are featured. Another preacher was arrested in Orlando tonite. I wonder if he is not a Republican. I doubt it.
the flute player is a good friend of mine. Couple years back he made this wonderful album : Haiku: The Jack Kerouac project. It was my third time seeing this show. And it was really, really good.
There are some excerpt here:
http://cdbaby.com/cd/haiku06
Damn good album to make love to…
ya mean in an ‘i’ll do a male 3 way if you do a female 3 way?
i need more brain bleach
The guy behind the camera.
I’ve always preferred making love to a person, but…
Industrial quantities are clearly called for.
Hmm, covering his bases, isn’t he? For some reason, he’s quite sure Hillary won’t win.
Hi, firepups.
Good one, hehehe.
DAvid E’s Fablog has some details on the McGreevy Three Way, if you are so inclined.
Thank you so very much.
*coughs up lung*
Maliki is starting to sound like a creepy hybrid of Bush and Saddam.
-G
Don’t even get me started on the “Sex Offender’s” Registry, which effectively brings to an end the life of the alleged defendant, and which quite often arises from cases where one parent, being pissed off in general, coaches a child to say the worst about the Ex.
And don’t try to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about – I’ve personally tried four of them….
Before I leave, anyone into film? Women in Love was a great film.
Hey, you are supposed to be a consultant.
Amazing what levels they’ll sink too… A sorry tale, indeed…! 8-(
uh
well
uh
research?
(laughing) i guess i gotta type better – that’s twice on this thread where i know what i’ve meant but it sure typed out different
I noticed just scanning the R sex abusers blog that a couple of the subjects had killed themselves…
Freudian slips…? ;-)
Didn’t Ed Meese say that people are defendants because they are guilty?
-G
Is there another way to make sure that sex offenders (esp. pedophiles) don’t end up in places where they have access to vulnerable kids?
There’s an R sex abusers blog? Oh my.
Ed Meese was a Reagan appointee because he was an idiot
pink ones
Well if he did, he was an ignorant asshole, and has never spent a day in my shoes….
see hackworth 94 above
Touche! *g*
Thanks.
Yes, I know those can be a bad thing indeed. This site is about Republican politicians, plus Tim McVeigh, Ted Bundy, etc. There are some state, county, city level pols on it. Hypocrites who get elected on sanctimonious family values platform who get busted for not being a family type.
I should have said a right wing Republican idiot
Strom Thurmond sired a child with a 15 yro black girl…?
Chris, just wanted to say hi; I’m not really into film these days. I fall asleep right away, so I wait til it gets to DVD and even then…I fall asleep.
s there another way to make sure that sex offenders (esp. pedophiles) don’t end up in places where they have access to vulnerable kids?
I dunno, but it’s a worthy question.
I left FDL once for several weeks as to this matter.
Once, but only once, I represented a guy who I eventually realized was stone-cold guilty. So what did I do?
To my everlasting shame, I withdrew from the case. A true chicken-shit move on my behalf. I should have stayed, beat the thing at trial, and *then* learn to live with myself.
But I wasn’t that brave.
There was a mentally handicapped teen in Florida who exposed himself to a young girl. He was put through the ringer and consequently labelled as a sex offender. (IIRC, he was wheelchair bound.) He was so stressed out about the neighbors subsequent harrassment of him that he committed suicide.
Meese had a commsion that spent millions of dollars looking at porn and determined that porn gave guys boners.
-G
Gerlad Ford, now he was brave.
-Dick Cheney
Yeah, who was it who called him an idiot?
ron zuber at 86–thanks, that gave me more names to pull up on http://www.newsmeat.com although i’ve noticed they need to do an update.
and i found it interesting in your link that bush is at a private fundraiser tonight up there. with all that’s going on, he’s eating party food, raising money.
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thanks hackworth at 102, i wondered…….i’ll go take a look-see. ummmmm, hmmmmm, ummmmmm, peeking around the corner first, it’s david, it could be anything.
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suz at 96–yeeeeees, that’s why i said it was sooooooo tacky to say : )
but it whammed into my brain and wouldn’t leave…..it’s a small world, everybody knows that.
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quebecois–REALLY nice photo of the building…….the lines and colors are exceptional, the light perfect to capture them both…….it’s a great one, a keeper, you don’t have to say where it is, but what is it? looks like a mini-arts center, is it?…….i didn’t look at all of them, my dial-up is slow enough normally, but today it’s really
slow……
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and jayt–know a few people who were ruined by the ’reveal laws’……most of them were young, had underage girlfriends, with permission of their parents, until parents got mad at teenager or partner and brought charges…..some were barely over 18…..now they’re sex offenders for life for having a girlfriend.
at least they can explain it to prospective bosses for what it is..
but
two others lost in court over allegations from spouses…nasty divorces…..
these two are jammed for life.
please get your ass to a doctor, your body has not been acting right for a while now, time to face it so you can feel better. JMHO and what i would make you do if i were there. yes, i said make.
F*cking guy was brilliant.
A traveller tells us it gets pretty icy way down near the pit of Hell:
Dante, Inferno, Canto 33, lines 115–135, tr. R.Kirkpatrick.