The crisis on Wall Street appears to be very severe. The Federal Reserve's emergency actions, background discussions with foreign central banks about outright purchase of mortgages, and the premiums on interbank interest rates over Treasury Bills (The so called Ted Spread) suggest that fear of credit collapse is significant. As a result "the rules of the game" are in play.
Naomi Klein, in her recent book, The Shock Doctrine, addresses the strategy of response to crisis. She cites Milton Friedman who once wrote:
only a crisis-actual or perceived-produces real change. When the
crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas lying
around. That is our basic function: to develop alternatives to
existing policies, to keep them alive, and available until the
politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. (from Capitalism and Freedom)
I would argue that the Wall Street meltdown and its shocking consequences will create the crisis conditions that are ripe for change. Albeit, Dr. Friedman had the opportunity to enact change because he often promoted ideas particularly suited to the wealthy and the powerful. Yet it is those ideas, largely underpinning the policies of the last 40 years, that are now called into question. Therein lies the opportunity.
The response to the Wall Street shock will have to, as Thomas Palley wisely suggests, be carried out on two fronts. One is policy. But policies must be justified with sound underpinnings. The extent of this crisis is likely to lead to reexamination in a cold critical light of ideological premises where the neoliberal ideas of free market fundamentalism will be shown to be in sharp contrast to the corporatist practice of the United States. As the Wall Street crisis deepens and spreads, the bailout will contradict the notion of a separation between state and market. Seen from the light of the financial crisis, other violations of market fundamentalism will be scrutinized. State support for military, oil, telecommunications, finance, and more belie the notion that there are clean boundaries between markets and politics. We will increasing realize that we have never been in that dream cloud where markets went unsubsidized.
In another instance, the market fundamentalists have gotten great traction from the "Horatio Alger" mythology of the self made man. Individual responsibility is the key to success, they say. That is an attractive notion. It seems to suggest that one has power to control one's own destiny. While I would never want argue that effort and self discipline are not helpful or necessary components of success, I would argue that context also matters. In the present crisis it is very likely that a multitude of hard working, disciplined and well educated people are going to be blown off their moorings as a result of the fallout from Wall Street. Things beyond their control are going to hurt them. Things that other people were allowed to do.
As a result, the experience dreadful outcomes in our society are likely to illustrate that the attraction of Horatio Alger mythology is illusory. Anxiety is reduced if you feel you have power over your environment. The protection of those beliefs is shattered when activity in society, over which you have no influence, overwhelms your life and livelihood.
Naomi's book illuminates many episodes where the wealthy and the powerful take advantage of crisis. The raising of consciousness about the process of change is a gift she gives us all. Yet I would augment that perspective with the awareness that the New Deal was also a response to shock. A response that was progressive in orientation. A response born of extreme pain, yet one that did usher in a more prosperous and stable era in the U.S. economy. Growth was higher, the economy more egalitarian, and volatility was lower than in the period since 1980. (See Peter Lindert's book entitled Growing Public for factual data)
It appears that the forces of change will do battle in the coming months. On the one hand a quick look at the Federal Election Commission data for our three Presidential candidates suggests that there may be one too many markets in America. The market for the rules of the game is one where Wall Street plays a leading role. (See http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp) On the other hand votes do matter this November. On that one day they are the ultimate currency.
At the present time many sophisticated social leaders from days past, including Paul Volcker and Robert Rubin are, in my opinion rightfully, saying that we will have to resort to the Federal balance sheet and a public bailout. Wall Street took action, including spending many millions of dollars over the years to unshackle themselves from New
Deal constraints on financial intermediaries, and we must pick up the losses. From this vantage point we are in a lose-lose game and in the short term our task is to mitigate unnecessary losses. It appears to me to be inevitable given the scale of the problem. The question will be what are the changes in the rules that will accompany the
bailout? Who will make these rule changes so that we do not come back this way again. So that trust in our financial system is renewed.
We have a highly combustible societal cocktail brewing The combination of 1) what Sarita Gupta and David Sirota perceive, of rising awareness and mobilization, which we might call the Pissed OffPeoples Party (POPP); 2) The need for a bailout; 3) Wall Street money all over the candidates and Congressional Committees; 4) The refutation of the safety of Horatio Alger; and, 5) the temptation for financiers to suggest that financial issues are "too complex" foranyone but the experts (who made this mess) to rectify the system; combine to make for a very anxious process.
As the process unfolds, awareness of these tensions suggests we are likely to see efforts to:
1) Move the bailout underground along the lines suggested in the Financial Times on Friday where a Committee of Central Banks around the world would buy mortgage backed securities.
2) See repeated warnings (likely to be heeded by the political candidates) that anything they say will deepen the crisis in the markets.
3) Disenfranchise some stakeholders in our social design on the grounds of expertise. Expertise that is needed to comprehend these arcane instruments and their role in the seizing up of our financial system because of fears of counter party default.
4) Berate those who unmask market fundamentalism as socialists or utopians and avoid the contradictions that are apparent to all.
I do not at present see effective countervailing power that will focus the energy of the POPP into action. Organizations to represent this energy are likely to include some strange bedfellows. Independent bankers who are not "too big to fail" may want to participate. The labor movement can play a role. But right now the forces for progressive change are somewhat scattered.
It may be that the progressive effort to organize is too diminished and weak to make a difference to the outcome resulting from this crisis. The energy is felt, but cannot be productively channeled to overcome resistance and introduce constructive change in this iteration. In that event we are likely then to have shattered neoliberal ideology and still have neoliberal remedies adopted. In that event the unfolding events will deepen the anger within the POPP and inspire organization for future challenges.
At very least, I imagine the public will come to wish we had public financing of elections as they experience the questionable rules that will emerge from the current political incentive structures in response to the crisis on Wall Street. Second, because they will look at the bill and realize that they could have avoided this catastrophe and had strong infrastructure, schools, and health carefor what they spent bailing out our financial system in response to the current challenge.
Robert was formerly chief economist to the Senate Banking Committee and also former Managing Director of Solos Fund Management.
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hello Robert Johnson…
this is your first FDL post—welcome!!!
Zed?
Where did you come from? Tell us a little about yourself…
What does it say when the Treasury Sec of Dubya calls for more regulation and yesterday, McCain called for hands off the markets?
and hi Biodun … how’s hong kong?
Thanks for being here, Rob.
Rob led a really great panel on this at TBA with Naomi Klein and David Sirota and I asked him to write up his thoughts because a lot of people were asking about what was said. (Rob is a good friend of the blog who also just won an Oscar for producing Taxi to the Dark Side.)
Splendid comments.
Capitalism is a terrific game, but it needs a credible and responsible referee, such as a competent government run by people who do not hate government.
Otherwise, it only works for the economic equivalent of cheaters and steroid users.
Welcome, Rob. Thank you for highlighting this important issue.
How can we create some accountability in the financial sector?
WOW
Robert excellent analysis.
My position is that when the people bail out wall street because “the banks are too big to fail” and there would and will be a domino effect… that we need some very strong advocates for personal responsibility with the groups which are being bailed out.
That means personal wealth must be forfeited.
And
That means some jail time for their behavior.
This is white collar crime and it must be PROSECUTED. There must be a quid pro quo for the people “saving” the “system” this time.
And
The there needs to be some serious regulation and out lawing of some of these complex derivatives and “bundled” financial instruments.
No leveraging at the rates we have seen. No more houses of cards supported by “trust” and no tangible value.
If these guys don’t want to go this route then hit them harder with some serious jail time and that should do what it does in the hood: scare the shit out of the street.
I don’t think capitalism is a great game.
In fact I think it is a lousy game which stacks the deck against the people in favor of the powerful every time.
When it is so regulated it loses it’s ability to produce and concentrate wealth… which is what capitalism is all about.
Paulson came from an investment house and will only make cosmetic changes to the financial system that produced this disaster. It will do nothing to keep it from occurring again in some other economic or financial sector. As I have said from the beginning, the goal here is to kick the problem down the road to the next Administration. Just another case of Republicans creating a mess and waiting for the Democrats to start cleaning it up so they the Republicans can blame them the Democrats for it.
Win - win
win - loose
loose - win
loose - loose.
The game of Capitalism needs to be permitted only when it provides win - win potential.
…trying to get off jetlag…Hong Kong is as intense as ever!!! Will eat some dim sum tomorrow…it’s 72 F here…
hi Jane…I love you…(ducking…)
There may be an opportunity for change, but the Republics still have too much power and will prevent change. Bush has only one strategy for the economy: tax cuts have everything. The Republics will do nothing to discredit Bush. The Democrats are too ineffective to foster change. Is there a scenario where change can actually happen?
1,793 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Robert Johnson:
Speak to us Citizen Johnson. Keen you put this current crisis and the “Shock Doctrine” in the historical context of 1929-1932 and the last great political-economic crisis that changed the political and economic map of the world. It’s my belief that the American oligarchy is lookin’ ta establish the same conditions that prevailed from 1929-1932 when they thought that the political outcome would be oligarchical fascism with and economy not unlike that of the antebellum Confederacy. Only FDR and the New Dealers saved us from that outcome…and it seems that they took advantage of the crisis politically to get things done economically that wouldn’t have happened if they hadn’t been able ta marshal the support of an angry and fearful populous.
Let’s remember that the progenitors of this 2.0 version of American fascism were the grandparents of today’s oligarchy…remember Prescott Bush?
So how does this one stack up and does Obama have the intellectual and political chops ta take advantage?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…THERE IS NO COMPROMISIN’ WITH FASCISM!!
Excellent analysis.
I could shorten it down to two words, but what’s the fun in that?
Excellent analysis. Naomi Klein’s theses are so useful in so many situations. The meltdown on Wall Street is a perfect example of how powerful agents use crisis to advance an anti-democratic agenda.
People must start to ask every time the Fed or another agent exercises its power: “How many homeowners in crisis were helped? How many mortgageholders in crisis got assistance?” Otherwise, more money will continue to flow only upstream — the oligarchs’ preferred direction.
I’ve been asking for a year what issue, like terror in 2000, won’t ever be discussed during the election even though it will define the next presidency. I’m beginning to believe the Oligarchs’ Bailout may very well be that issue. Candidates are remarkably quiet on the topic, and perhaps they are all getting pressure to stay that way.
Thanks, Robert Johnson, and welcome. Also, thank you for Taxi to the Dark Side and congratulations on your Academy Award!
Interesting analysis…of course the economy is uneven…manufacturing is doing OK, so is unemployment, which is down, under 5 percent…but housing has tanked…and then there’s the credit crunch…justified or not…
And how many thieves just got another hand out instead of condemnation?
Delurking to post this link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....93391.html
Returning to lurk mode in 3…2..
I am wondering what they will grab for, or try to with this shock?
The thing which comes to mind is social security trust fund. It will be used in “service to our financial” system which is the life blood of our country the so called “free market”. It MUST be saved.
The only reason unemployment is “doing ok” is because of folks rolling off the back end who are no longer being counted in the statistics. The unemployment rate as presented by the government is just as phonied up a number as the rest of their statistics.
very informative post, thanks for posting
What confuses me about the “mortgage crisis” and resets is.
Say your mortgage resets and you miss a payment or two. Who comes after you if “they” don’t own the mortgage?
Also
Why is the value of your house “upside down” unless you actually try to sell it? Presumably it could be worth “anything” from nothing to what you paid or more, but that is determined at the time of resale. If you are not selling why should the “market” value matter (except for insurance purposes) and tax assessments which would be heading down?????
An outstanding in-depth and very meaty post. I also immediately thought of progressive gains due to the Shock Doctrine, as laid out by Naomi. Usually, these are for the benefit of the many, as opposed to the few.
I do believe we have a few knowledgeable legislators who will attach regulation to bailouts. This is what happened for Federal guarantees in the banking industry after the great depression, with assurances come regulation. Stocks have no such Federal guarantee, and if the Government is going to have to “shore up” these captains of industry, it should come with at least some nominal regulations.
We will always have the Enron types, the “Smartest Guys In The Room” who know how to get around the rules, but fail to understand the rules are their to protect them as well.
Unemployment stats are pure lies. They report number of applications for unemployment and extrapolate.
But when you consider that many workers are not “unemployed” contractors who “work for themselves”, they never appear on any labor statistic and many are not working full time even when they ARE working.
It’s a wonderful video! Thanks for delurking. *waving to you*
BTW, gang:
It’s 8:08 AM Thursday, here in Hong Kong…think I’ll do some dim sum in an hour or so, and then see what happens with jetlag…I’m staying with my friend Eva at Kowloon Tong, in Sai Kung..she has a nice house by the bay…
What, if anything, can an active progressive do to help influence this process?
yummy … and that sounds like the weather here!
I was having a conversation with colleagues today, the conclusion about John McCain’s econ speech yesterday was that he was a complete idiot! I guess the Hoover Institute is giving him advice that is considered to be of the quality recieved by its namesake in mho and a bunch of my colleagues also!
Robert, if you’re here
I’m sorry, doing five things at once right now
What are you arguing for? Or suggesting be done?
Who is actually being “bailed out” in the Bearn Sterns deal? Their stock crashed so their shareholder “investments” (that’s a perversion of the concept of investment) evaporated. Tough shit.
But the company created leveraged instruments and borrowed and made “investments” or deals and so forth… the counter party rubbish. When those folks call up and say… we want to cash in our Bear Bonds or whatever… Bear don’t have the dough so there are two choices. FU to the ones who bought there crap or WE give BS the money to pay them or guarantee them (more likely) some smoke and mirrors work so that the chain reaction doesn’t ensue.
But we do have to unwind all the layers of leverage and toss out all the made up wealth and capture the wealth they “ripped off” with these schemes, most of which is already off shore and some of it is in luxury excesses, like $50MM apartments, villas, jets, yachts, art, gems and baseball cards… I mean sports teams.
Bio,
Don’t forget you are supposed to be working too. Dim sum sum dim do some work! hahahaha
Eat lots for me, Biodun
I am not sure what this means. In my scandals list item 298, I looked at this. Between January 2001 and December 2007, our economy lost 3,186,000 jobs in manufacturing under Bush. This leaves only 13.9 million or about 10% of total nonfarm jobs in the economy. Manufacturing jobs historically have been better paying and with more benefits. Their loss is not just reflected in the number of jobs but in their quality.
Wow! Just watched Taxi to the Darkside last night. Most excellent. Thanks for your thoughtful post, Mr. Johnson.
Excellent post, thank you very much.
ICAMI, Wall Street’s favorite whore, Jim Kramer, confirmed that “the Street” knew how close they were to Armageddon way back in August 2007 when he wanted the FED to open the Discount window to the Wall Street banks. The relevant meltdown begins about 1:40
Jim Cramer Blows a Head Gasket 8/3/07
FWIW, five day before Bear Stearns sold for $2/share, Kramer was saying
“Bear Stearns is Fine!” Tues, 3/11/08
Re manufacturing:
There are two basic kinds of manufactured goods… durables which I think are items which are to last more than years… cars, machinery, airplanes, farm equipment. We are not losing too many jobs here or treading water.
In the other manufacturing - can recall the class name - it is all the junk which is now made offshore. Them jobs we bled and are bleeding.
We also gave our steel industry away and do little ship building either except “small” ones and some military ones. How convenient for the MIC.
While they bail out the neo-robber barons
Threat to millions as food aid runs out of money
“BS-Nia Conflict” on KO right now. Hysterical! Bosnia…BS-Nia. Love it!
I start work tomorrow…today I have fun!!! USA seems so far away…after being in transit for almost 24 hours…4 hours to LAX from MSP, then almost a 4-hour layover in LAX, time-zone free-zone, since everyone there seem to be floating, some having breakfast, some lunch, some dinner…then a 16-hour flight from LAX to Hong Kong (Lantau Island)…then a special subway ride into Kowloon…
The price of pizza near me when from1 1.80 to 2.00 to 2.25 and the other day 2.50 per slice in less than 2 years. But he told me he may have to close because there is a shortage of wheat.
Bye bye Ms American pie
i want to to watch it and have it bookkmarked but after two nights of Bush’s War, I think I need a night off.
Personally, I like to travel only for pleasure, with lots and lots of time and preferably by sailboat. Jet Lag ruins short trips and one of use usually gets sick! ICK
Those Frontline shows reveal how incompetent and out of control these people in this administration are.
Why couldn’t they show that in REAL TIME??? 1MM people might be alive today.
BTW, I’m watching Keith on a BBC News feed right now..he and Margaret Carlson are roasting Hillary for being an outright liar about Bosnia, since tapes now show her lying about Bosnia and dodging sniper fire about five or six times…this woman is a liar, fulfilling one of the worst stereotypes that are circulated about women.. that they can’t tell the truth…
[Mod Note; which we all know is a false stereotype.]
O/T but here is a link to a youtube video proving that Hillary wasn’t lying about the bosnia trip.
Youtube is down for maintenance but it is playingover at democraticunderground
I know what you mean…and now Iraqis dying from drinking water…
This is the first time I have ever heard such a stereotype about all women.
Well, don’t let us find out about you carousing in the Wan Chai!
Me either but they sorta grow like weeds, I guess.
Billions for Bear Stearns and poor people are starving
Hi, Robert
Great post, but I don’t see the diggy thingy???
Not me, i’ve heard it before. it is one of those ‘charming’ things about women, they stretch the truth (you know tell their friends that their choice in decor is lovely, etc.–think social lies) this is the contect I have heard this stereotype
Why a public bailout of wall street?
How about a PRIVATE bailout of wall street. Where IS all that wealth that these guys have made for the past 8 to 20 years.
Isn’t it time for some “personal responsibility here”?
Nice catch.
I loved the demonstrators in the lobby of Bear Sterns today. It was beautiful to see all those people crammed in the lobby on bullhorns and with picket signs
Digg was down for maintenance earlier today and seems to be having some recurring problems.
Hillary lies because she is delusional about herself as many of the egotistical people tend to be.
They are so full of themselves that they believe their own fantasies and can confuse that with reality.
So in a sense it is not really lying where one makes a calculation that you can slip something by. She intellectually knows that when you are in the public as she is everything is on memorex and it is likely that you will get caught. Witness Spitzer.
So her lying is more a mental illness of extreme egotism.
Space Shuttle Endeavour down safely.
Look, Eureka Springs:
I’m a feminist scholar with credentials–check out my consultant’s profile on my website, and also ask Jane the Hamsher–so I’ve done lotsa research on all this, starting with Freud…who famously asked: “What does a woman want?”–’coz they can’t tell the truth about what they want. (No kidding: this is also well-documented)..trust me on this one, Eureka Springs…*G*
hey guy!!!
Now that whole “program” was an enormous waste of money wasn’t it?
yo
also go here to see all the feminist books I published as a publisher...
Freud, please…..
You mean the Shuttle, no it gave me a job for 10 years and a very small pension. Not a waste at all.
About the only way employment/unemployment stats are useful are as trends - assuming that the stats are always arrived at in the same way.
Don’t know who these people are but …
Global systemic crisis – End of 2008: Pension funds go off the rails
wow, I didn’t even realize this situation is ripe for shock change but it surely is
had only there been a progressive president or a congress willing to seize the day, we might have realized a new deal, a re aquirement of the assets that were taken from the middle class and our infrastucture, assets this administration and the reagan administration redistributed to the wealthy
we might have reclaimed those assets and rebuilt this country and her future.
we need pelosi to seize this day, it won’t last long and the neo cons already have a head start, taking more of our childrens money to finance their failed depravity
Hugh, a note about loss of manufacturing jobs: what many manufacturers have done has been to take their own workers off their payrolls(by layoffs, “retiring out” etc.) and payroll them through temp agencies, whose workers are listed as “service”. Then, the workers go back to work for their original employer, only now they turn up in the labor stats as service workers, not manufacturing workers. I saw this happen time and time again locally, including with the “sainted” IBM, which had a huge manufacturing plant here.
the administration has allowed corporations to invest in unwise holdings when in control of their labor forces pension funds, they have also pilfered the fund that backs those pensions, they have allowed these corporations to avoid the premiums used to back them
and the courts have awarded corporations like gm to default on these contracts ahead of other contracts
That is not true. One is counted as unemployed if they have done something to find employment or work and didn’t work the week they were being interviewed for. My guess is that unemployment is still so low because so many boomers are already retired and have not been replaced. The job market was already thinned out. there are also alot of disabled people too not in the work force. Companies had never really hired like they once did. Computers and what not have increased efficiencies and companies could get by with fewer employees and would rather pay overtime occasionally than hire.
Bio,
I read the reviews of Silicon and it sounds like a good read!
I see. Another topic on which you are an expert.
Welcome, Rob! It was great to see you last week.
But when someone is no longer reporting to the unemployment office (because they’ve used up the benefit), who is doing the “interview” to ascertain that the individual is looking for work? No one. That person is no longer counted as unemployed but is also without employment and is just not counted.
I just opine, I am an expert at one thing - myself. The rest is just speculation. Don’t believe everything you read.
I don’t.
But what is important and untold is many have given up looking for work and when they do find some work they don’t show up as an employed person.
How about inflation, they don’t include gas and food. They dropped the “bread basket” from their computation IRC
The first members of the Baby Boom generation are just now reaching the age to take early Social Security (sixty-two). Given the lack of defined pension plans in today’s business world and the hit most folks 401Ks have taken, it is extremely doubtful that large numbers of Boomers are slipping quietly into retirement and lives of leisure. More likely, most of us are struggling to keep money coming in while watching the economy turn to sh*t all around us. After all, we cost too much, either in salary or medical costs. Far cheaper to hire the kid right out of college than to pay for some level of life experience. /rant
Coming late to this party. Let’s not forget that at some point the Repukes transmogrified burger building at McDonald’s into a “manufacturing” job. I guess because you were putting the burger on the bun?
It happened to my ex in 1985 in the steel mill. He was a security guard in a non-exempt position, meaning he was not union, but was eligible to join one. The point I wanted to make is that when companies do this, the employees are paid significantly less, and guess what?!! They can’t pay their bills (including their mortgage) anymore, but they’re doing the same job that they were before. So, what would you call it, an employment bubble? That’s kinda like the internet bubble and the real estate bubble, but it’s when your job pays $20/hr. one day and $8/hr the next. That’s when we moved to AZ. And by the way, this has been going on for a long, long time here. Notice the date; it’s pre-NAFTA.
I think you misinterpreted my comment.
Personally I never manufactured hamburgers, but I know that others do.
Perhaps, I tend to have lots of opinions and a few facts. But I don’t make a representation of being an expert in anything, not even in my own “profession” with a license and all.
As a working and thriving capitalist–working with start up tech companies that generate wealth to the workers who provide the human capital (as well as to the financial backers)–I have seen capitalism succeed–WHEN THE GAME IS WELL PLAYED.
Bush’s policies have eroded the middle class, endangered the financial system….the list of his failures goes on and on.
That is Bush, not capitalism.
Yea right.
I don’t think you know what capitalism is. Your … rising tide raises all boats … is the right wing’s rant.
They also love to tell you that if THEY didn’t CREATE jobs the workers would be penniless.
hahahaha
You’re putting words in his mouth. that was not his point.
You should have been here when Jane went in for surgery or when her Mom passed. Comments went on for pages, because through her writing about politics, she has shared a part of herself, an indomitable energy and intelligence. She’s an artist who appreciates the importance of a balance sheet. She’s very refined and at the same time, way-tougher than shoe leather. She’s a pragmatic idealist. I love your affection for her. I and many others here, share it with you.
With that said, however, your 49 didn’t work for me. That’s my problem.
IMHO, sarcasm, which is usually affection, is real hard to pull off on a blog. While Jane might “get-it,” many others might not. Not everyone might immediately know that you post at FDL, as well as comment. It doesn’t happen as frequently anymore, but wingnut trolls used to visit routinely. IIRC, the clever ones tried to make their comments sound a lot like your 49. They were just trying to instigate a good fight. Again, I know you didn’t mean it that way, but lurkers and commenters are constantly turning over.
I know it’s not your intention, but imho, your 49 put Jane in a tough spot. If she’s on the thread, is she supposed to respond? If she responds to you, is she supposed to everyone else who is sarcastic with her?
FWIW.
SanderO, do you believe in private property?
I don’t like “insider” chat in public forums. DO your personal conversations in IMs or email. no?
Not really.
I don’t own any “real property” and I never would.
OT
I am writing to all of the rich jerks that penned that nasty letter to Ms. Pelosi. I have found several of their emails.
“To Susie Thompkins Buell Foundation:
You can tell Susie for me that she does not own the Democratic Party.
The people do.
I find her letter to Ms. Pelosi offensive.
Mary McCurnin”
I am still searching for the email addresses of most of these, these, blahhh, people. If anyone wants them I will be posting them soon.