Basrah Update Midday March 25 2008 -- There is very heavy fighting in the city. The streets are almost empty of civilians and civilian traffic. All our correspondents in the city say there are many columns of smoke in the city and the sounds of explosions and machine gun fire. One local source in the teaching hospital says that many have been wounded. He said also that they are having to turn away wounded for treatment because there are too many to treat. He says he has been told that it is the same in other hospitals”
It’s easy to be confused by news from Iraq especially given our own media’s refusal to provide coverage beyond Petreaus propaganda. Today’s reports of fighting in Basra are not the easiest to follow but let’s look at several facts that suggest what may really be going on.
Since August 2007, Moqtada al Sadr has established a cease fire and held back his forces from attacks but he has never denied their right to self defense. This cease fire is the primary cause of decreased casualties in Iraq. At the same time, Green Zone and US forces have continued attacks on al Sadr’s forces and Sadrist neighborhoods as noted in al Sadr’s recent statement:
Despite the ceasefire, Mahdi Army members are being subject to raids by the "occupiers" and Iraqi forces which are "destroying Iraqi houses," Sadr's statement said.
"Iraqis in general and Mahdi members in particular are paying the price."
Al Sadr has been one of the strongest players working for a nationalist coalition, opposed to the occupation and uniting Iraqis across sectarian lines. In fact, al Sadr’s sermons and announcements have often reminded Iraqis of their national unity and the role of the occupation forces in creating and enflaming sectarian strife.
An important meeting and initial agreement was announced in Arabic press yesterday:
organized by the Sadr organization, [the meeting] included 300 tribal leaders, Shia and Sunni, from throughout Iraq…Among the main points in the final statement of the meeting: A demand for scheduled withdrawal of the occupation forces from Iraq; and a statement to the effect the foreign forces are responsible for the internal divisions that have plagued Iraq since the invasion.
The first Iraqi tribal conference wound up its proceedings on Sunday, in Kadhamiya, Baghdad, with the issuance of a final statement that demanded a schedule for the withdrawal of foreign forces from Iraq, and commitment to the return of those removed from their homes, and compensation for their damages.
The participants committed to the rejection of terror in all its forms, and to the combating of the AlQaeda organization throughout Iraq, in addition to serious work toward the return of those displaced...
With upcoming provincial elections likely to show serious losses for both Maliki’s Dahwa party and Hakim’s SIIC and growing support for Mahdi associated representatives, it’s not surprising that Cheney and our occupation allies were deep in talks last week – nor is it surprising that we now see a dramatic push by green zone forces on Basra where Sadrist forces had been gaining power where Hakim's SIIC used to have considerable power.
With Maliki personally overseeing a green zone force of 15,000 or more, supported by air strikes (US or British is not known), a major attack has been launched in Basra and the results so far are chaos, growing civilian casualties, and curfews have now been imposed on six provinces.
At the same time US forces have surrounded Sadr City:
Eyewitnesses said that U.S. forces surrounded Sadr city on Tuesday's afternoon, closed all city's inlets, and replaced Iraqi forces inside the city.
Eyewitnesses also said that sounds of discontinuous gunfire and explosions are heard at different neighborhoods of the city.
Power went off at some parts of Sadr city, while people there rushed to buy foodstuff preparing for security deterioration.
One of the eyewitnesses told VOI "U.S. forces allowed four firefighting trucks and three ambulances to enter the city."
He added "People are afraid that U.S. forces may conduct wide-scale attacks and raid operations in the city."
Al Sadr's statement's today call for wide spread civil disobedience across Iraq:
"Instructions arrived from the al-Shahid al-Sadr (Martyr Sadr) office in Najaf on Tuesday to give out copies of the Qur'an and olive branches to soldiers at checkpoints in Baghdad and its districts," the spokesman, who asked not to have his name mentioned, told Aswat al-Iraq – Voices of Iraq – (VOI).
Sadrist officials called on Monday for an open-ended civil disobedience, which has already begun in the western Baghdad neighborhoods of al-Shurta, al-Bayya, al-Amil, and al-Risala. A spokesman for the Sadrists in al-Karkh, Mazen al-Saadi, had told VOI on Monday that sit-ins began in some areas in Karkh and would move to other areas in Baghdad's al-Rasafa as well as other provinces if the demands to release the detained Sadrists and have an official apology from the government on these arrests and raids were not met. "There would be other options if the government failed to respond to these demands," said Saadi, not determining the nature of these "options."
"Sunni Muslims took part in the protest in solidarity with the Sadrists, whose neighborhoods are targets for detentions and raids," a local resident of al-Aamil neighborhood said.
Back to Cheney’s visit – he reported gained agreement from al Hakim for provincial elections, elections in which Hakim’s SIIC is expected to do poorly given popular support for al Sadr. As Badger writes today:
These are two of the famous Bush "benchmarks": Oil and Gas Law, and progress toward provincial elections. In the case of Barzani and the Oil law, the quid pro quo was obvious. But what was the quid pro quo for the Supreme Council? One possible--I would say obvious--answer now suggests itself: In exchange for the Supreme Council dropping its obstruction of the Provincial Powers law, the US would tolerate, and provide air-support for, a campaign against the Sadrists in the Basra region.
The gains for George and Dick are clear - weaken or distract those pesky nationalist forces, justify continued troop surge and presence, gain "approval" of US benchmarks (though not popular approval) and keep control of Iraqi oil in the hands of men like Hakim.
Dick visits Iraq and cuts a deal - and the people of Iraq once again pay the price.
Big H/T to Badger at Missing Links
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Siun!
We are SO kicking ass.
Excuse me while I retch.
Yeah, it’s true. McCain’s got nothing.
great post, siun.
isn’t Basra also the oil center of Iraq?
It’s the only port.
Afternoon gang.
Yep Wobblybits - Basra is one of the key oil centers - and used to be controlled by Hakim’s folks (his sons were known as the leaders of big oil smuggling)
Rachel was just reporting that the sadrists are skirmishing with the mehdi army…
so if sadirist capture and hold Basra, they could wreak some havic on the oil front, or?
I have a bad feeling that the civil disobedience will be met with gunfire. If the US troops themselves don’t start shooting, Blackwater’s goons will. And then the whole thing goes to hell. It doesn’t make me feel any better that we’ll be indisputably proven right about the surge not working…
I was just reading on how Basra is a huge oil transport center. It certainly would halt exports
well that’s even more confusing since the Sadrists are the Mehdi Army …
There was a break away group of Mehdi followers who were trouble late last year but they were not followers of Sadr (though they were portrayed as Sadrists in western media)
So, the shit is hitting the fan in Basra so we are surrounding Sadr City?
One of the reasons the Sadrists are protesting is that there have been repeated attacks on their followers by US troops including the seizure of a mosque and shooting of 4 civilians … I’ll dig out that link and post it shortly.
There’s so much going on, it’s hard to fit it all in.
Get the oil
Pass the buck
Strategery
more here
Bush standard procedure. If Al Qaeda staged an attack in the U.S. tomorrow, he’d be trying to invade Canada.
Watch what happens when they kill Sadr. His days are numbered.
From Badger on Sunday (and I cannot recommend Badger’s work strongly enough)
I am uncomforted.
Sorry, As I was typing that I was thinking that, isn’t there a Badr brigade or some such…?
basra is the only iraqi port,right? So, the easy access for shipping to/from Iraq that doesn’t cross any borders. I believe there is/was a pipeline for oil leading elsewhere (Kuwait?). Have those pipelines been totally destroyed? So, oil in trucks to Basra is pretty much the only way to get oil into the international mkt?
I’d also assume that Basra is important for incoming goods. Anything else goes thru a potential chokepoint across, e.g., the syrian border.
No surprise that everyone’s excited about basra …
The Badr Brigade is the militia arm of al Hakim and the SIIC … they are our big allies, and are the base of the main death squads begun under the El Salvador option chosen by Bremer and gang.
Guess we could pipe it through Turkey huh?
Sadrits aren’t only skirmishing the ING…
“U.S. and Iraqi troops backed by helicopters fought Shiite militiamen in Baghdad’s Sadr City district after the local office of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s Dawa Party came under attack, the U.S. said. Residents of the area reported intermittent explosions and gunfire in the area late Tuesday.
An American soldier was killed in fighting Tuesday afternoon in Baghdad, the U.S. military said. No further details were released, and it was unclear whether Shiite militiamen were responsible.”
Well, DUH?! Unless they are gonna try and claim that these folks are Al-Qaida in Iraq. We’ve gotten involved in taking sides in a Civil War…a situation that Sadr so kindly deferred until we provoked his organization repeatedly.
So much for the “lull” in casualties and the “success of the surge”…which politically was never gonna be a success.
yeah ;)
Why whack him … al Sadr is actually trying to unite Iraqis across the sectarian lines we’ve splintered. While no saint (IMHO) he’s the popular choice in Iraq.
thanks for the link. Ah yes, this was the demonstration for the jailing of some of their members that was reported by some media outlets, right?
As I pointed out earlier today, the talk of “Iraqi security forces” is code for former Badr Brigades (the SCIRI/ISCI/SIIC militia) wearing government uniforms. The US military is trying to portray this as militia (Mahdi Army) vs. government but it is really more militia on militia violence. And I also agree that Hakim’s group would probably lose badly in anything like a fair election. As for Dawa, it has never had much of a popular base.
It’s no coincidence that the acronym SNAFU originated in the American military. BushCo only perfected the concept.
Very important to note that this is not a sectarian battle but nationalists against occupation supporters. We are on one side of the civil war we started .
Well, apparently they’re assailing one another… Isn’t it great that the Shi’a are fighting one another…! 8-(
Actually, they’ve perfected FUBAR even more than SNAFU
The Madhi Army are Sadrists…it’s the Badr Brigades that are associated with Hakim’s Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI).
Iraq’s Militia Groups
The new player is this Fadilil group that appears to be a local Basran group. Anyone know much about them?
I’d argue that we and our allies are trying to take out Sadr … chaos helps us (permanent bases and permanent security plan as Bush desires), oil control by US friendly forces (Hakim - though how US friendly is tricky) and quash those nationalists who might unite Iraq against the occupation.
iraq oil pipeline info:
http://www.iags.org/iraqpipelinewatch.htm
good map at the bottom
looks like pipelines into Turkey, Syria, down to Basra, and then to Kuwait
FUBAR, SNAFU, IOKIYAR.
This is worse than Hillary misremembering her combat experience because it means that more Americans will be sacrificed by the Republics.
McCain was being fooled. If there was an MSM, they would read those words back to McCain and not take a spin response from him.
BTW I don’t think that the Badr Brigades were ever as big a deal in death squads as the JAM and other groups loosely affiliated with it were.
well thanks to us, there is a civil war with many sides.
Should have, now, too late.
FUBAR, SNAFU, IOKIYAR…BUSHED
I don’t see how we can argue that *we* should assasinate leaders chosen by sovereign peoples … it’s illegal amongst other things.
OT, but having the antarctic ice shield fragment could be a really really big deal — stalling gulfstream, messing up climate in big ways beyond just drowning sea-level cities.
wapo linky
good picture here
When we invaded there was no chosen leader.
Yup , Bingo, Correct!!! We are retarded!!!! Ignore the legitimate recognized moral leader of an oppressed people!!! Have to say if he is whacked it is the beginning of the escalation wanted by international oil whores to justify presence. You are as correct Siun as this administration is a criminal colonial enterprise! Great call!!! How many times in the past has our failure to recognize legitimate leaders in conflicts lead to forewarned, negative results……………….
There has been Shia on Shia action for a year or two. It has largely gone unreported because it was overshadowed by the Sunni insurgency and Shia on American and vice versa activity.
OK, we should have killed him, we should have arrested him instead of letting him go.
Especially leaders who generously refrain from shooting people until we provoke them repeatedly.
I’m confused.
I said should HAVE, damn.
Most civil wars are multi-sided. Ours was the exception, not the rule.
agreed
a lesson we never learn …
You are wrong!
i know that, but most americans don’t. they see shiite and sunni and not that there are radical sunni (AQ) and secular sunnis etc.
Great post on a tragic topic, Siun. Thanks.
Who isn’t? I still don’t understand why the Shias are fighting each other. If I ever understand all that goes on over there, I will be certifiable.
Yea, well that’s the first time in 58 years! :)
Al Sadr built his popular support by taking care of humanitarian needs of everyday Iraqis and opposing the occupation. We created the situation where his support could grow by not just invading but then instituting a truly brutal occupation (see Winter Soldier).
And we must remember that Iraq actually belongs to the Iraqis.
Can you imagine what would’ve happened if we’d installed Chalabi as the PM as the neocons had wanted…
Except that Iraq is a fiction. . .right?
of course we created the vaccum that made this possible (look how long they have gone without electricity, water, etc.) no wonder he has amassed support
Serious question - what do you think would have happened and how would it be different from now?
Not according to the Iraqis.
I think it would’ve hastened the disintegration of Iraq…
Here’s a report on the Shi’a militia conflict in the Basra region. It seems that Fadhila is an autonomous splinter faction of Sadrists that wants full autonomy from Baghdad.
Basra’s Militia Conflicts
The fact that the government is getting involved down there, while at the same time targeting the Mahdi Army in Adr City has the real risk of getting the US involved much like they did in Karbala a few years back. That situation resulted in the hardest fighting that any US troops confronted in Iraq, according to the Marines involved there. In that week the US took the highest combat casualties of anytime in the occupation.
That was against just a few hundred Mahdi Army fighters…and off their home “turf”. Taking them on in Sadr City will be very intense and bloody street fighting in communities that are devoted to Sadr.
The problem with being a real nationalist in Iraq from the Bush-Cheney point of view is that for some crazy reason these people don’t want to do what we tell them to do and want instead to call the shots on their oil resources. Inexplicable.
And then there is John McCain…who can’t tell the difference between the the Sunni Salafist Al Qaida, and Shiites…
Of course, neither did George Bush.
Let’s all go on an energy consumption strike. No driving when you can. No heating or AC when you can. Just candles at night, no video. No minor daily comfort is worth all these awful consequences.
Cheney is a harbinger of death.
I knew that he was up to no good in his latest tour of shame.
Sick warmongers.
-G
sad truth,speaks volumes about ignorance
Aloha, Hmmm! Did you watch the game at 3AM? ;-)
‘…al Sadr is actually trying to unite Iraqis across the sectarian lines we’ve splintered …’
Siun, that’s my take, as well. Rational behavior would suggest that we acknowledge this fact and ALL of its implications.
“Stupid” and “delusional” are two adjectives that should never have to be used in the same sentence with “president.”
I grieve for the women in Iraq who now must live under the veil or close thereto.
O/T? Or not? Cheney-esque, at any rate. New post at www.chris-floyd.com. Here’s a quote:
WTF IS GOING ON????? DOESN’T ANYBODY NOTICE???????
Oh, shit.
Aloha, CT! Probably not, as the only sport I watch is Grand Sumo. Excellent tournament in Osaka ending last Saturday night. Did you go watch the lava? The Halemaumau vent is turning pretty interesting!
1,792 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Raven and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Wooooh there Brother Raven, yer gettin’ all tangled up in some shit that should be real easy. Let’s take a look at this whole thing from the perspective of Vietnam. 1.) we should never have interfered in the internal politics of a sovereign country (1958 Ike pulls support of elections) 2.)we should never have fomented civil war among a people tryin’ to restore sovereignty from colonial status 3.) we should never have sent troops into a country that hadn’t threatened or attacked us Now where, dear friend, does Iraq differentiate itself from 1960’s Vietnam?
We should never have sent one single American soldier to Iraq…period. And,therefore, there is absolutely no justification for any of our actions beyond that point…and certainly no justification for assassinating leaders. Our presence in that country is illegal period and anythin’ we do there jest compounds our criminality.
Don’t get all tangled up again here in this Iraq business like we got fucked up over ‘Nam…jest because we got troops there doesn’t justify any action short of gettin’ them out.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, NO MORE DEATH AND NO MORE FEAR!!
Drive by …
It is illegal
Google executive order 12333 and prohibiting assassinations
I know. O/T.
Do Not Tell Me that Hillary Clinton “Misspoke” about sniper fire, Joe Sestak and other Hillary surrogates and Hillary.
She flat out bald-faced LIED. It’s a test of character. And she has failed.
First, it is helpful to understand that Iraqis are (mostly) Arabs, but Persians are not (although SW Iran is predominantly Arab in the low-lying plains between the Iraqi border and the mountains.)
Second, the Iraqi Shi’a consider that their holy sites and mullahs outrank those in Iran.
Third, Moqtada al Sadr is based solidly in Iraq. The Shi’a Badr Organization, however, has strong ties to Iran (isn’t it funny that they’re our buddies?) I think they’re using us against al Sadr because it is in Iran’s interests to prevent Iraqi Shi’a from becoming too strong and united.
Watch the Badr Organization. At a certain moment of their chosing, they are capable of turning on a dime on us in a monumental double-cross. But they will choose their moment carefully, and will not be distracted by bright shiny objects.
The largest beneficiary of U.S. bumbling in the Middle East for the last 7 years has been Iran. In terms of statecraft, they are centuries if not millenia ahead of us. Iraq used to be their most bitter enemy. They never succeeded in destroying Iraq’s army, but we did it for them. When Saddam was dictator, they had no power base in Iraq. Now they have the Badr Organization in strategic positions around the country. They are playing us for the fool.
Bob in HI
I hate to be so harsh, but I think you’re right. I’m pretty sure that I wouldn’t just have a slip of the tongue about whether I’d ever been shot at.
Thanks for saying that, Siun.
Why is that so hard for people to grasp?
Oh goody! There’s a hornets nest, let’s kick it down the road.
I’m a wee bit tired of, ‘Kill ‘em all and let Allah sort ‘em out.’
I don’t think it becomes us. Unless we do it, of course.
This may be silly, but I think the day fast approaches when we’d do better to make friends than enemies. ‘Un-American’, I know.
Lots of reasons…Sadr represents the Shiite that stayed in Iraq after the first Gulf War, these were the folks that rose up after being promised by Bush Sr. that we would support their revolution. Sadr himself follows a strain of Shiism that is less tied to Iranian centrism and is far more local than other Iraqi Shi’a that fled Hussein’s regime. His followers are also much younger and far more untrustworthy of US intentions.
The SCIRI and the Badr Brigades were groups trained in Iran, starting in the war with Iraq back in the early 1980’s. Many of the leadership were exiled then or in the period immediately after the first Gulf War. Most situated in Iraq.
The Sadrists thus feel that they have a home-grown leadership of people who hacked it out during the tough times. They suspect that the SCIRI Ayatollahs and militias have a few too many strings attached to Iran.
The Sadrists and the Jaish al-Mahdi are the same thing - the Jaish are the military wing of the Sadrist trend.
Siun thanks for linking to our midday report from members in Basrah - the one quoted who works in the Hospital has been trapped there for the past two days. - Too dangerous to go try to go home, he lives less than 5 minutes walk away from it.
Exactly
“misspoke”?
How do you forget the details about getting shot at (or not) especially if your child is with you. And why do you take your child into harms way (judgment)
On Hardball just now, wasn’t it reported that Hillary had told the sniper story on more than one occasion?
They’ve closed down the the observation point that was on the lip of Halemaumau after the hiccup that spewed the rocks… She’s been busy of late…! Occasionally, I’ll watch a basho, I’ve lost interest since Akebono had his top-notch sheared off…! 8-)
I wouldn’t know. I don’t have cable/satellite/whatever.
Top story on Yahoo news right now:
• Heavy Shiite fighting in Iraq threatens U.S. security gains
This tragic reality therapy for Cheny Bush fantasies will be very difficult to ignore, even in the dishonest US corporate media world.
1,792 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Prairie Sunshine:
“She flat out bald-faced lied. It’s a test of character and she has failed.”
You go Sister Sunshine!!! In my mind, Mrs. Clinton-McCain stands exposed before God and everyone…her continued presense in the race says only one thing: she wants the Democratic Party to lose. Her election would be a bigger disaster for our country and the world than McCrazy bein’ elected with solid Democratic majorities in Congress.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE DON’T OWE HER NUTHIN’!!
starting point for sniper stories: http://blog.washingtonpost.com.....inton.html
Aloha, Du! I’d meant the Badr Brigade… Thanks for popping by! *g*
Gawd, where is this all going????
They’re gonna blame Iran and attack Iran???
(Sorry all for the OT colloquy) Ah but now there’s Asashoryu v. Hakuho, the dueling Mongolian yokozunas! Great drama there.
…But I would give it up for a national energy consumption strike.
For at least a year, I’ve thought that Sadr is positioning himself for the time when Americans withdraw from Iraq– as they must, eventually, Cheney’s imperial ambitions notwithstanding. All his moves are based on positioning himself for the future, not for the present. If we weren’t so f*%king blind, we’d be collaborating with him instead of the Badr Organization. But Noooooo, he won’t do as he’s told, so he can’t be trusted.
Bob i