The US death toll in Iraq reached 4000 Sunday, 25 in the last two weeks, when four more soldiers were killed by bombs in Baghdad.
The grim milestone came at a time when attacks against the U.S. military are ebbing and officials have claimed significant progress against Iraq's deadly insurgency and sectarian violence. It was reached about 10 p.m. on a day when more than 60 Iraqis were killed and dozens injured in attacks in Baghdad and north of the capital.
And there are disturbing signs that the overall level of violence in Iraq may again be rising. First were reports that General Petraeus might favor a "pause" in further withdrawals of US troops once troop levels got down to about 140,000 this summer. Perhaps he was just being prudent by giving US commanders time to assure themselves that the progress they had achieved from the surge would continue even as the US drew down its forces.
Then, despite warnings from General Casey, Secretary Gates and others in the Pentagon concerned about the health and readiness of the Army if withdrawals don't continue, Admiral Fallon felt compelled to resign, reportedly because of disagreements with Petreaus about the pause.
Petreaus has been especially cautious in not claiming a lasting effect from the surge he commanded. If there were signs of lasting effect, it's hard to imagine the White House would not be trumpeting them. Instead the White House is reported likely to agree this week to a pause, even though it's months away from taking effect. It is a sign the WH is concerned, and there are other signs that matters are worse than they're admitting.
There have been reports, though not widely circulated, that some of the 60-90,000 Sunnis the US has been paying to fight al Qaeda and not fight the US have threated to turn against the Americans or at least go "on strike," both because many are not being paid as promised and because there has been virtually no progress in gaining their acceptance by the Shia-dominated central government. And it hasn't helped that there have been several "mistake" US attacks on the Sunnis, with dozens of them killed. Mistakes happen in an active war zone, but the frequency of these incidents suggests there is still extensive combat in areas that are supposed to be pacified and under the local Sunni's control.
It appears violence levels have begun to rise again, after having fallen to 2005 levels and remaining more or less stable for a few months. Now we are seeing major attacks every few days with dozens killed each time. And several of the attacks yesterday, in which at least 60 were killed, were centered in the heart of Baghdad, with repeated mortar shellings falling in or near the supposedly "safe" Green Zone.
For months, the Administration and John McCain have been telling us that the surge was a great success, that its purpose in bringing relative security to Baghdad in particular had been achieved, even as US forces continued to pursue insurgents into areas outside the capital. But today's news makes clear that Baghdad can quickly revert to a war zone.
It is not just that random "extremists" may be lobbing a few mortars at the Green Zone, acts that are difficult for even a large occupying Army to prevent completely. The Times story reveals there were repeated episodes, and that the night before the mortar attacks, US aircraft were bombing surrounding neighborhoods, though the story is vague about the connection. But the level of combat occurring in and around Baghdad is not a good sign.
John McCain has based his campaign on convincing Americans the surge was the right idea and has succeeded, and that some ill-defined victory is at hand. As Attaturk's post noted, the surge's neocon architects tell us all is well. But these continuing attacks suggest the surge has not even succeeded in securing the capital or driving insurgents into remote areas. It is discouraging news, no matter what it's political consequences.
Update: General Petraeus tells reporters that Iran is behind the recent rocket attacks on the Green Zone. (h/t TPM)
Update II: In response to a question from ABC about the 4000 deaths, VP Cheney responds with "they volunteered," and that the President bears the heaviest burden.
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4000 dead and counting!!!
Good morning Scarecrow. Sorry to epu from prior thread.
I have been trying to find out how many funerals our mighty leader has attended but don’t seem to be able to find a record of any attended. Is this a state secret or something?
…and if we stay there another 100 years, as McCain promised, then, obviously, dead toll will climb…
I think what the DOD is doing is criminal and not resisting and deserting is troubling.
Soldiers need to resist and stop acting like mindless bots and buy into the meme that they can’t speak and think with a uniform on.
Rubbish.
none. If he had there would have been pics and they would have been all over the toobs. After all, he only comes out of his cave for photo ops.
and this doesn’t make a good photo op.
I worked with a group in cambridge shipping war resisters to Canada. I find no such group around Harvard Square these days. At the risk of pissing Raven off I will say that the draft makes the difference.
And it’s possible that a grieving parent, brother, sister, spouse or child might say something mean to him. Can’t let that happen…
Next from Senator Flaky:
The violence is up because the bad guys wanna elect a Democrat.
All of which goes to show that he does not give a sweet shit about anyone except himself.
By the way with PA elections coming what is the mood/preferences among people you know
how friggin oobsurd
the attacks where the troops are have decined, that’s it
this miserable occupation has got to stop and we cannot possibly allow the administration to claim some kind, any kind of success
‘the surge failed, the occupation cannot possibly succeed and we need to get our children home
our states need to reclaim their assets and call the national guard back the the staes where they came, their equiptment must be returned as well and this government must reimburse the states for all the assets that have been squanderred, all the infrastructure that has been neglected
and pelosi is a complicent war criminal
Thanks for emphasizing this, Scarecrow. Petreaus is a completely political animal. If there were any real evidence of an accomplishment coming from his sacred surge, there would be 24/7 soundbites of him patting himself on the back over it and measuring for drapes in the Vice President’s office.
Has anyone bothered to dig out the checklist of surge objectives and see where we stand now? I would not be at all surprised if it turns out that we actually have gone backwards with respect to the list. Now would be a very good time to dig out the list, since we are at a Friedman unit from Petraeus’ dog and pony show last September.
what family of a lost soldier would want the kind of security detail the prexel would need at their son’s or daughter’s funeral? It would be the source of more nightmares that they probably already have enough of.
Do you just say shit designed to piss people off for fun or what?
it’s supposed to be the vice president’s job with the president making rare appearances
but this vice president takes glee in these deaths
bunches of folks in my congregation going out and registering voters for O. Haven’t heard much Hillary talk lately. But then again, the folks who come to my church are mostly pretty hard core libruls. We donated our old sofa to the O hq in town. Booman is giving reports on the ground here. He’s practically a neighbor—lives about 10-15 miles away.
I worked with a group in cambridge shipping war resisters to Canada. I find no such group around Harvard Square these days. At the risk of pissing Raven off I will say that the draft makes the difference.
Why would that piss me off?
I see to remember (possibly incorrectly) that when I had suggested, some time ago, that a draft would stop this damn invasion in a hurry you were adamant that a draft was not a good thing. If I am mistaken it would not be unusual.
I thought “not on my watch” Fallon “resigned” because Bush had decided to invade Iran and he needed Fallon out of the way. Or that Bush had signed the orders to invade Iran and Fallon resigned to not have to follow those orders.
I see to remember (possibly incorrectly) that when I had suggested, some time ago, that a draft would stop this damn invasion in a hurry you were adamant that a draft was not a good thing. If I am mistaken it would not be unusual.
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Not me, I’m all for universal service (military or civilian), have been for years.
Wow. Thanks for the link I am thrilled by the voter registration drives all over America this election cycle it surely can only bode well for the future.
Marion in Savannah,
(Marion’s my name too, btw)
If you’ve still got some left, hot chocolate sounds like a wonderful idea.
Me too.
What stands between McBush/McChaney/McCrazy and efforts by them to maybe double the surge? They need to keep kicking that ‘war can’ past the election. Who would dare try to stop them?…surely not our elected representitives.
The press has reported that the President occasionally meets privately with families of deceased soldiers. No media coverage is permitted.
There’s always LOTS! Help yourself…
Here’s what pisses me off
Go up and tell a grunt about a fuckin meme, jesus.
Yep that could piss off a person. What is interesting is just how many of the brass are pissed off and saying so. The generals are dropping like flies in this administration.
G’morning. Wretched news, Scarecrow. The administration’s gift of war that keeps on giving. At the TBA conference in DC last week, we were urged to press our newspapers — all of them, the good, bad, ugly — to resume (or begin) publishing Iraq war deaths on the front page Every Day. And to list names of those who died in the previous 24 hours. This seems like something FDLers could do, i.e., put pressure on the press. More than once. Keep pushing for this.
If I may edit
Pick one way of spelling ‘Petraeus’ and stick with it! And you kids get offa my lawn!
OK. BETRAYUS
” . . . of course, the violence is down because of the surge.”
NPR Cooz This AM
4,000 dead means 8000 parents with a crushing loss, and 16,000 grandparents robbed.
With nearly 30,000 wounded, that’s 60,000 parents dealing with the impact of these horrid decisions by the deciderer-in-chief. 120,000 grandparents dealing with nightmares.
We can’t forget the 80,000-hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead and over 4 million displaced.
War crimes trials for many in this administration can not come soon enough.
The names of those killed in Iraq are released after families are notified. PBS News Hour shows their names, home towns and pictures each week; ABC also lists them on Sunday’s “This Week” show. Crooks and Liars than reposts the ABC segment, usually on Monday.
SanderO: the remark was not welcome here. Do not pursue it.
I wonder what George Bush & Dick Cheney will be doing today to celebrate this monumental number in dead US soldiers? Let me guess….they’ll be wearing their red party hats that match their red armbands? Oh probably.
Reference for last post:
It’s not just the generals who are leaving.
Thanks for that info. I don’t watch television, so I don’t see that. But the print press (in the same industry that is watching its readership numbers plummet and wonders why — could it be lack of relevance?) rarely and barely pays attention to the Iraq dead, with the exception of snippets about home-towners who’ve perished in George’s war. It’s the newspaper equivalent of Tivo — skip the parts that annoy you and read about Britney.
The idea that it would be a good thing for the military to start rebelling against civilian authority, regardless of who that authority is, leads to disaster. Don’t worry about 4th amendment infractions, etc., those are small potatoes. A mutinous military is the end of democracy. We change things in elections.
Yes. Thanks for the link. One of the points author Linda Bilmes (The Three Billion Dollar War, with Joe Stiglitz) noted on Book Salon yesterday was the loss of experienced captains — forcing the army to raise reenlistment bonuses to as high as $150,000. In the meantime, the Army has had to lower enlistment standards for new recruits to maintain quotas.
From the linked article.
My question what damn political survival? The chimpinchief is outa here in 302 days, the goopers are dead in the water, people are registering to vote Democratic in droves and elected goopers are running out of Congress as though the place were on fire.
This war is going to go on forever or until our nation’s finances are broken beyond repair, whichever comes first. I have been spending the last six months reading up on the history of interminable wars, first the Thirty Years War (1618-48, or to 1659 if you include the Spanish continuation) and now the Hundred Years War (1337-1453). Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose. In both cases as now, no party had the resources to force a decisive victory. The fighting was interrupted by truces (like the one we more or less have now in Iraq) while various participants temporarily changed sides or built up their strength for the next round. It just went on and on, and the people who paid were the ordinary people — just like in Iraq.
We have gotten out of the habit of knowing what war is really like because the First and Second World War’s and the American Civil War were decisive and had basically predictable outcomes. That wasn’t the case earlier, when they went on and on and on until the parties were exhausted and a new generation arrived to pick up the pieces. The die was cast when the United States did not put a half million feet on the ground at the start. And of course, that was militarily impossible. Which is to say, doomed from the start, independently of the asinine assumptions that motivated it in the first place.
Murderous Bushco motherfuckers.
But it’s “not like Vietnam.”
Bullshit.
Unless they mean Vietnam and Cambodia, and not just Vietnam.
He really doesn’t care. His emotional range is from A-B. Remember this is the guy who as a kid got his kicks from blowing up frogs with firecrackers. Telling us that a woman who holds down 3 jobs to make it is a fine example of the American spirit shows how absolutely clueless he is about people who struggle.
True, but McCain is holding even or slightly ahead of the two Dem Presidential candidates. We need to recognize that for the Dems to win the White House, they have to beat the US media, which has an unshakeable view that John McCain is competent and trustworth when it comes to foreign affairs.
That fact that he either doesn’t know who the factions are in Iraq, or is deliberately conflating al Queda with Iran, that his rhetoric evokes Christian crusades against Islam and that he seeks out religious zealots who openly advocate war against Islam, or that he undermines the peace effort in Israel/Palestine with his one-sided remarks and his ignorance of behind the scenes efforts to get Hamas’ cooperation — these are shrugged off as no big deal. The media has blinded itself and will not see.
As Iraq Toll Hits 4000 — Bush Sees a “Comma”
I think you’re right about the long wars. And remember, we’re not paying yet for ours; it’s all on the credit card, while we lower taxes for the wealthiest. Meanwhile, we’re still doing “emergency” appropriations five years in, and no one knows where the money is going.
Is it really a blind media or one that is taking orders from the corpos that own them? I’m finding it hard to believe that so many people are so stupid or so gullible. It may well be that the owners of GE et al have decided that McSame is what they want and they will do all they can to make it happen. Which they are doing.
Just wondering.
Well, in general I do agree with you. And I can’t see how it could be expected or desired of active enlisted military to protest. And, at the same time, I also seem to vaguely remember that one of the things that contributed to the ending of the Vietnam War was the fragging of officers. Granted, I don’t know very much about this and I am also not recommending this as a solution, just pointing out that it’s happened in the past.
I took that to mean that they are deliberately complicit and “taking orders from the corpos that own them”.
I know about the supposed fragging in Vietnam. There may have been some instances, but I’ve never seen any documentation of cases tried. I don’t think fragging is either recommended or had any effect on bringing the Vietnam War to an end. If you remember, there was a significant fragging incident at the beginning of this war, before the troops even left Kuwait. It didn’t have any effect on anything.
Yes, and then there are the Crusades, on and off from 1095 to 1272.
Remember that Cheney does not care what Americans think. Neither do many elected officials.
That includes the military.
Remember also that according to the most recent polls most Americans worry more about the economy than anything else– including the war(s).
oh and doncha just love the way they are enticing hs grads with the promise of money so they can buy a house???
http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....d=18710386
Now, how many more lies will they use to entice people to join? ‘Hey, here’s a bunch of money that you can use to invest (in our destroyed economy!)’
In Tomas Young’s own words:
http://www.indybay.org/newsite.....871911.php
lies upon lies.
R.I.P. all those who have perished, soldiers and the occupied peoples.
4000 commas
I mean to say that they don’t care what the military thinks.
;(
Texas A&M historian Terry Anderson adds, “During the years of ‘69 down to ‘73 we have incidents of fragging–that is shooting or hand grenading your NCO or officer who orders you out into the field. The U.S. Army itself does not know exactly how many . . .officers were murdered, but they know of at least 600 cases, and they have another 1400 who died mysteriously.”
http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/War/fragging.htm
It’s a mix. To be sure, Fox News anchors seem to take orders and are selected for their propensity to tow the line. The three networks seem to be suffering from a lack of strong professional leadership. There are no giants left. At CNN, Wolf is a nice man who does his best, but he’s surrounded by Lou Dobbs, and the habit of balancing someone who might know what they’re talking about with someone who’s selling an ideological line is hurting them. On PBS, they think having Nir Rosen vs Fred Kagan is balance.
And the media’s giving McCain as pass. The latter is a serious problem and could allow McCain to win.
Good morning everyone -
{{{{{Moment of silence for the 4000}}}}}
Thank you Scarecrow. This is like a nightmare that just keeps getting worse and worse.
OT -
MSNBC reports that Hillary Clinton wants Alan Greenspan and RIchard Rubin to lead a panel to find a solution to the foreclosure crisis.
Aren’t those the guys who caused the foreclosure crisis?
that immediately calls to mind creating a simple engaging fact sheet to be passed out door-to-door by the dem campaign. god, i wish this dem primary was over so we could get on with the business of fighting mccain and the media.
Greenspan? Good grief. He encourage Americans to go buy homes with the mortgages that are now the problem. And he ignored the need to regulate the financial giants who were performing banking functions, but not being regulated as banks.
Paul Krugman has a column on this today, and he mention’s Rubin as favoring regulation, though when I saw Rubin on PBS recently, he seemed ambiguous.
Republics will not despair. There are still ZERO members of their royal family serving in Bush’s war.
So you think that caused us to pull out of Vietnam? If the fragging incidents were provable, you would have about 600 more lifers in Leavenworth, since there were no firing squad executions as a result of Vietnam. Anyway, I think history shows the overthrow of civil government and establishment of military dictatorships is the most frequent result of military mutiny agains civil authority.
Anyone who advocates the rebellion of single or groups of soldiers in protest of the war needs to go out and do something to get themselves thrown in prison for a long period of time before espousing that action for others.
Wasn’t Rubin the guy who sat Bill Clinton down after he was inaugurated and convinced him to follow Greenspan’s economic policies? Clinton had run a very progressive campaign in 1992 and after his little meeting with Rubin he embraced Greeenspan and governed as a
RepublicanDLC centrist for the rest of his two terms.I say that because I believe that soldiers are expoited.
I believe that they are brainwashed to follow commands and not think
I believe that they are unlawfully forbid from speaking about politics.
I believe this is wrong and dangerous.
A democracy that needs soldiers needs to have those who are “with the program.” and there is no coercion or mind control.
Perfect metaphor. 4000 dead but CNN now showing the Prez launching this year’s Easter egg roll. A good time was had by all.
What “remark”?
I served 11 years, I’m not advocating anything of the sort! I am stating that the claim that no fragging occurred is pollyannish, to say the least. It is just as in my branch, making the claim that no one ever “fell” over the side with a bit of help from some disgruntled crew members. There was a rather notorious incident where a young officer was float tested late one night and retrieved by a Russian intelligence gathering “trawler” trailing the formation. He was returned via the Russian Embassy in Hong Kong about a week later. He may have been the first recovered, but I am sure he was not the first to be helped off the ship.
Good morning from L.A. Scarecrow, excellent post.
My biggest fear for this election, which is in the process of being realized- the MSM have already decided that John McCain is the next President & will succeed in electing him.
No matter what he says or does or what comes out about him, about the war, the economy etc., etc., it will be hidden or glossed over or explained away repeatedly until the coverups become generally accepted truth.
My recurring nightmare: St. John is already chosen by MSM as next Pres., & the voters who watch tv for their news will go along w/it. He is elected, & we are left watching our hopes for foreign & domestic policy change disappear in our hands.
Yes. It’s a “Developing Story”, no less. Gag.
Speaking of “100 years of War” John McCain, (okay terrible segway because this involve FISA), Holy Joe is at it again. I got this from DFA:
Joe Lieberman is bashing Democrats… again.
DFA is taking on the right-wing $2 million smear campaign funded by the so-called “Defense of Democracies.”
We’re fighting back against the swiftboat attacks targeting 15 freshman Democrats who stood up to President Bush on FISA and telecom immunity.
But who are the people behind this shady Republican front group? Their “non-partisan” board reads like a who’s who of the worst of the worst: Neo-conservatives Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, and Charles Krauthammer, extremist Newt Gingrich, former Sen. Zell Miller, and none other than Senator Joe Lieberman.
On Tuesday, we asked 1,000 members to take the lead and contribute $100 each to protect Democrats with the backbone to stand up to President Bush. . .
At one time, “Defense of Democracies” actually had a bipartisan advisory board which included Democrats Donna Brazille, Sen. Charles Schumer and Rep. Elliot Engel. Not surprisingly, all three stepped down from their positions as advisors once the misleading attack ads started running.
Here is what Donna Brazille said about Defense of Democracies:
“I strongly condemn their misleading and reckless ad campaign. The organization is using fear mongering for political purposes…” She added that due to the influence of its right-wing funding, Defense of Democracies has “morphed into a radical right wing organization that is doing the dirty work for the Bush administration and Congressional Republicans.”
Her statement was clear: “I no longer wish to be affiliated with such a group and have asked them to remove my name from the Board.”
www.DemocracyforAmerica.com/DavidBeatsGoliath
Re your OT:
Yes.
This has been another edition of Atrios’ simple answers to simple questions.
Hmmm, have you ever served in the armed forces?
Did you see me saying it never happened? I said I doubted it had any significant effect on the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam. I think there is a misunderstanding by people who have never been in the military about the ability, effectiveness, and desirability of people serving to revolt. I see it in complaints about generals who only criticise policy after retiring. I hope I’m not hearing anyone advocate fragging, that is murder of some poor NCO or 2nd Lieutenant, now.
It is not just that random “extremists” may be lobbing a few mortars at the Green Zone, acts that are difficult for even a large occupying Army to prevent completely. The Times story reveals there were repeated episodes, and that the night before the mortar attacks, US aircraft were bombing surrounding neighborhoods, though the story is vague about the connection. But the level of combat occurring in and around Baghdad is not a good sign.
The military is bombing Baghdad and its suburbs? Barbaric.
Here’s a picture from the Easter egg roll…
Hillary’s suggested blue ribbon panel (Greenspan and Rubin) is like getting Rummy and, oh, Tommy Franks together to talk about lessons learned in Iraq. They’ll admit to some “errors”, but no fundamental mistakes in their approach to what became a disaster.
that must have been taken before the easter poo-flinging event
In honor of 4000 fallen, the American Press Korps is allowing it to happen all again. Per Glenn Greenwald:
How do we pay for our daily bread as well as the current mess, how do we avoid allowing our leaders intentionally to walk into another, much larger political, moral and financial maelstrom with Iran? Intelligence and candor would be a good start.
John McCain’s likely contribution to that effort (and that of his 66 current and former lobbyists who work for his campaign, some for “free”)? Not much:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03.....ref=slogin
Where’s Tula? This is the response I got from Holy Joe for signing her petition:
Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about the Air Force’s selection of Northrop Grumman as the supplier of the military’s next aerial refueling tanker. I share your concerns about this serious matter, and I welcome the opportunity to respond.
I am very disappointed that the team of Boeing and Pratt and Whitney was not selected to provide our military with the next generation of aerial refueling tankers. I believe Boeing is the world leader in manufacturing large aircraft and that Pratt and the terrific Connecticut workers make the best engines in the world (yes sir, and how will you answer to our CT workers?). While getting this important aircraft into the hands of the war fighter as soon as possible is of great importance, we must ensure that the selection was fair and fully compliant with all laws governing government procurements.
As you may know, on March 11, 2008, the Boeing Company formally protested the Air Force’s selection of Northrop Grumman as the supplier of the military’s next aerial refueling tanker. The U.S. Government Accountability Office will investigate the selection process and inform Congress of its findings within 100 days of this protest. While its recommendations are not binding (No of course not), I take them very seriously and plan to respond to any identified deficiency (I doubt the Holy Man will take any recommendations seriously that aren’t approved by his Dark Lord and Master.)
As a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, please be assured that I will track this matter closely.(Bullsh*t!) We must ensure that our military remains on the vanguard of technology and that we safeguard our defense industrial base (But only if McCain and Bush say so).
I think Hillary’s idea seems reasonable.
I am particularly curious as to why Rubin is being pummeled. He was an outstanding Secretary of the Treasury.
I thought this might be useful:
September 7, 2004 American combat deaths in Iraq reach 1,000 (538 days from the beginning of the invasion on March 19, 2003)
October 25, 2005 American combat deaths in Iraq reach 2,000 (413 days)
December 31, 2006 American combat deaths in Iraq reach 3,000 (432 days)
March 23, 2008 American combat deaths in Iraq reach 4,000 (448 days)
What is important to note here is that the surge was announced on January 10, 2007 so almost 1,000 Americans have died since then or a quarter of the total.
I know it is taboo to say it but these soldiers, all of them, died for nothing. Or rather they died for a lie. They died because of the stupidity and greed of the leaders they trusted and who betrayed that trust. They died because the media were bought and far more willing to report noble deaths than ignoble motives. They died because of the cowardice of Democrats who were more interested in saving their careers than in saving the troops. They died because we ordinary Americans did not do enough, did not shout loud enough, did not demonstrate enough against a corrupt, bankrupt, and masturbatory Beltway that cares for nothing but its own. So I should correct myself. They did not die for nothing. They died for less than nothing.
Thanks for the Greenwald link. Glenn is spot on, as always.
it is true.
I am actually working on planting as many poppies as I can for memorial day. Obnoxious New England tradition, but good for antiwar demonstration I think. Don’t have Flanders poppies, so I will be planting Oriental red poppies to mark the fallen. Don’t think I will be able to get in 4,000 plus the six figures representing civilians.
I have not and would not. I don’t believe in war.
Just so ya know, the prez feels bad about the war dead:
Hello, Rev!
Q - are the talking heads stupid or just taking orders from their corpo bosses - A - Stupid. The Corpo bosses got rid of the smart ones years ago. ie, Robert Parry of Newsweek, now ConsortiumNews.com.
Re Bush and the lady with 3 jobs - i think bush knew exactly where she was going when she said she had 3 jobs and purposely cut her off and flipped her meaning Orwellian-like.
My major concern has been about the number of waivers for what were once issues establishing unsuitability for service. As you know, in their desperation to meet recruiting goals, standards have definitely have compromised.
chain=link…
Picking Greenspan to clean up the mortgage mess has got to be the stupidest idea I ever heard of. This is the kind of inside the box thinking that worries me about Clinton. As I have said many times, she has a tendency to persist in her mistakes, which is what naming Greenspan would be.
Slightly OT
I have been trying to find out the number of “civilian” deaths caused by the american invasion in Afghan but can not find it. Help anyone?
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs -
in watching Moyers on friday night, it was all but unbearable to see the clip of Tomas Young with the Gold Star families - and the looks on their faces as they reached out just to touch the young man
Tomas Young w/ Gold Star Families
“Float tested” Hah. Now that’s a cool story about one being returned.
Figures for the Afghan invasion ( I want edit back)