wonton campaign expenditures

Oops, should be wanton…

Now that I’ve finished being a picky proofreader I’ll be polite and say hi, Christy!

Zed….

Upu’d
‘Woo Hooo.. Detroit has filed 12 charges against Mayor and Beatty…….
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

Are you sure McCain’s campaign didn’t spend $4 mil on Chinese takeaway?

Third-ish?

As for McCain…throw the book at him. It’s his own fucking book, after all.

wonton abandon

Oops… (I can’t help it.. it’s a curse…)

Yeah, that “wonton” campaign expenditure should probably be under meals expenses. /s

Third-ish?

further evidence of my powers of prediction…. heh

Upu’d should read Epu’d

Does this count?

“I always have to do what I know is right … [A]t the end of the day, I hope that I will be respected.”

via

http://www.time.com/time/magaz.....00,00.html

this man has crossed the Hypocrite in Chief threshold!

Hey Christy, just a nitpick: wonton is a kind of soup very popular in Chinatown. I think you want wanton…

This isn’t the best, but it’s a start. McCain explaining to Sean Hannity why he pushed McCain-Feingold:

“Because I saw in Washington million-dollar checks and hundreds-of-thousands-dollar checks in the form of, quote, “soft money,” that were contributed at the time legislation was being framed or passed. And I saw the influence of special interests. I led the investigation against Abramoff. We ended up with members of Congress in federal prison.”

No, it’s wonton, he learned to eat them in the Hanoi Hilton!

Christy got it right. McCain will be in hot soup once she gets her quote de jour.

Jan 4, 2001 briefing with Russ Feingold and Thad Cochran

MCCAIN: I was just over at a briefing with John Zogbee, a most respected pollster. He briefed the Republicans. He said our number one agenda item should be campaign finance reform if we’re going to cure the cynicism and alienation of the American voters.

How about this one:

A: I don’t believe in public financing because I don’t think my tax dollars should be used to fund a person’s campaign that I philosophically disagree with… I think soft money is the primary evil. I believe that there’s going to come a time when people will say ‘this system is broken.’… It’s now legal in America for a Chinese Army-owned corporation with a subsidiary in the U.S. to give unlimited amounts of money to an American campaign.

Source: Joint interview with Bradley & McCain Dec 16, 1999

Here’s my choice:

Americans deserve a political finance system that is free from the taint of corruption and the undue influence of special interests

Link

Link for #17

Hmmm. It does hit the Chinese angle we’re wontonly working on…

Good heavens — I did that twice! Thanks, Marion…note to self — never trust spellcheck to find everything. Ooops!

Oh don’t be so hard on McCain. He probably just made a small error in his check book. /snark

and fried wonton’s such a bad idea?

christy says-”..whomever digs up the best, most hypocritical quote from John McCain on campaign finance laws and the need to prosecute those who break them”

funny, i just posted this site on the last thread. but for someone else’s quote……

i marked the ’quotes by’ ’ quotes about’ ’quotes with’ john mccain page

have fun

i love this site, i like to go in and just read and read.

http://thinkexist.com/search/s.....in&q=

Q: You’re not popular in the Senate.

A: No, because I’ve taken on the iron triangle: special interests, money and legislation, which we’ve been gridlocked by in Washington, DC. We’ve taken the government away from the people. Young people are being turned off in droves. I’ve been involved [with the] lobbying ban, gift ban, line-item veto. I’ve attacked pork barrel spending and wasteful spending, which is now worse than it’s ever been, and I didn’t make a lot of friends, because I point out these spendings. And I’ll fight for reform until the last breath I draw so that we can get the American people back connected with their government. I’m trying to change this party, to bring it into the 21st century as a reform party in the tradition of Theodore Roosevelt.

GOP Debate on the Larry King Show, Feb. 15, 2000

“Campaign laws? Congress? That goddam piece of paper, the Constitution? So…”

Here is another one from the Bradley McCain interview:

: What about Congressional resistance to Campaign Reform?
A: You’re looking at two people who have had this commitment for many, many years. And obviously it doesn’t inspire a broad-based support in some areas, in some places, but I will remain committed until my last breath.

From ontheissues.org

This one would be good to quote at his sentencing hearing:

One accomplishment of BCRA is to ensure that serious and intentional violations of the federal election laws result in more than mere “cost of doing business” minor fines, as has been the case recently. I hope that you, too, agree that intentional violations of federal laws designed to protect our democracy from corruption should be vigorously enforced. However, it remains the case that the only persons who can incur criminal penalties are those who “knowingly and willfully” violate the law. 2 U.S.C. 437g (d). As you surely know, BCRA did not change the longstanding requirement that criminal prosecution be reserved only for those who commit a violation knowing that what they are doing is illegal, and proceed nonetheless.

Letter to Marc Racicot. March 6, 2003. [emphasis added.]

PS. The best source is McCain’s own Senate web page. A search on “campaign finance” turns up 282 hits!!

Is there a link to the loan documents referenced in the FEC letter? It should be public record shouldn’t it? That way we could see for ourselves whether he obligated the Fed funds for the loan. It would be nice to combine them and send them to all my righty friends who will be glassy eyed from Fox News’ spin or ignorance of the subject.

ooooh, I smell bad breath a winner!

I love contests !

http://www.reforminstitute.org.....#038;sid=3

McCain speaks:

Mr. President, partisanship has encroached upon nearly every major decision the FEC’s six commissioners make. These partisan standoffs have stopped the FEC from enforcing actions against politicians and special interest groups, even when the FEC’s general counsel has recommended that such enforcement proceed. FEC votes have been politicized to the point where commissioners of both parties have banded together to reject their staff’s enforcement recommendations to serve the special interests of both parties.

Me, too, Teddy. I knew you guys would find a lot of good ones out there…this is gonna be a fun one. *g*

Real campaign finance reform will not cure all public cynicism about modern politics. Nor will it completely free politics from influence peddling or the appearance of it.

Opening Statement on Campaign Finance Reform by Senator John McCain

The document is on the FEC web page, here.

If the link doesn’t work (I’ve had trouble), go to fec.gov and search on McCain.

McCain’s response to this contest?

“Thanks for the question, you little jerk.” — John McCain, after being asked by a high school student if he was too old to be president. For good measure, McCain then threatened to draft him.

I’d give real money if the next kid asked McCain if he was too angry to be president.

Ding, ding, ding. I vote for this one.

I like this one for fiscal responsibility:

“Only an a**hole would put together a budget like this … I wouldn’t call you an a**hole unless you really were an a**hole.” –McCain to Budget Committee Chairman and fellow Republican Sen. Pete Domenici, during a Senate budget hearing

The classic, I wish this line of reasoning would work for the common folk!

It’s not a decision. It’s an opinion…

FEC Letter to McCain

So what constitutes “real money” these days? Euros? Pounds? Pesos? Pills? Grass?

McCain may be the first American found guilty under a law with his name on it! Anyone have any earlier cases?

LOL.

Confucius say: When anger rises, think of the consequences.

James Matalin on CNN. “Richardson is disloyal.”

This is, indeed, an historic presidential race…

I’m mostly packing Canadian dollars right now (going to Vancouver this week for a conference).

On the eve of his victory in the South Carolina primary, recalling his stunning defeat in New Hampshire, George W. Bush said: ”People may not think I’m tough enough, but I am. This is a process of steeling me to become president.”

Newsweek, reporting on the ”hardening” of the candidate during the rough tactics of that Southern campaign, commented, ”Consider him steeled.”

The verb, in its sense of ”to make hard or strong as steel,” is used in Shakespeare’s poem ”Venus and Adonis,” as Venus says: ”Give me my heart. . . . O give it me, lest thy hard heart do steel it,/And being steeled, soft sighs can never grave it.” Governor Bush, in subsequent interviews, repeated the verb; he evidently felt that being steeled is an admirable development in a candidate.

Senator John McCain is also partial to a metallic metaphor. ”I’ve taken on the iron triangle: special interests, campaign finance and lobbying,” he said in mid-February. A few weeks earlier, his definition was formulated slightly differently: ”The establishment obviously is in a state of extreme distress, if not panic, because they know I have taken on the iron triangle of money, lobbyists and legislation.”

(bold mine)

bwahahaha

harrumph

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f.....wanted=all

Christy,

not so easy, Senator McCain has all kinds of groovy quotes ’bout soft money corroding politics . . .good luck finding any direct responses from Candidate McCain on some of the sharper turns taken by the Straight Talk Express

the corporate media is quite incurious

but there are some whoppers out there I didn’t know about -

A. Jerrold Perenchio - Univision Founder and 527 pioneer - now a Finance Committee Co Chair - couldn’t find any quotes from the candidate when the few reporters inquired

In all, the finance co-chairs have given at least $13.5 million in soft
money and 527 donations since the 1998 election.” [Washington Post, 2/11/07]

The time has come to end the FEC’s stranglehold on our nation’s campaign finance laws and replace it with a real enforcement agency.

John McCain statement issued September 20,2005.

“I doubt that Gov. Richardson and I will be friends in the future.” But the Matalin’s will still be friends with that felon Irving Libby.

Wonder if he would like ketchup with those words?

Well, there was that Mark Foley thing, but I don’t think the Adam Walsh anti-predator law he wrote actually had his name on it….

This from someone who literally sleeps with the enemy, and leaked Kerry recount strategy over the Posturpedic.

Here’s another:

I believe the FEC needs to do what is right, which is to ensure that both the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1974 and the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 are properly interpreted and enforced.

From a March 8, 2005 committee hearing statement.

McCAIN CALLS FOR OVERHAUL OF ELECTION COMMISSION
July 10, 2003

“Mr. President, with the establishment of this new Federal Election Administration to replace the FEC as a more effective enforcement agency, the campaign finance laws will now finally be taken seriously by candidates, parties, donors, and the public. Once this new agency is set up, the regulated community will comply with campaign finance laws because those laws can no longer be violated without punishment.”

http://mccain.senate.gov/publi.....D0021C9BAA

“Some will argue that the First Amendment of the Constitution renders unlawful any restrictions on the right of anyone to raise unlimited amounts of money for political campaigns. Mr. President, which drafter of the Constitution believed or anticipated that the First Amendment would be exercised in political campaigns by the relatively few at the expense of the many?”

http://www.firstamendmentcente.....x?id=18997

DING! My vote goes to dosido.

The whole, “My Tax dollars,” angle is priceless; putting himself in the taxpayer’s position and then crapping all over it by filing for loans with those monies as collateral…absolutely priceless!

So,if McCain has to give up won ton expenditures, does he run out of fortune cookies too?

I really like this thread. McCain speaking out of both sides of his face.

yeah, mccain’s senate site is a treasure trove. here’s the man being “funny” in his Keynote Address at the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner, October 21, 2005:

“All of New York’s movers and shakers are here. It’s like a veritable who’s who of people soon to be indicted by Eliot Spitzer.

This is truly a distinguished audience; the haves and the have mores. And the have more than that’s; and finally, my good friend, Mike Bloomberg.

I’m glad the Mayor, my fellow Republican, is here. But, Mike, I think we’re all relieved that the organizers decided against holding this dinner at the Apollo Theater.”

http://mccain.senate.gov/publi.....454264C7E1

Hey thanks! You want to contribute to my campaign for winning quote? *g*

In looking at Par. 4 of the “Loan Modification Agreement,” (p. 23) there is an interesting bit of legal legerdemain. Par 4(c) says that the FEC matching funds “are not (and shall not be) collateral for the loan. But, Par. 4 (a) says that if McC drops FEC financing, and is not doing well in the primaries, he must remain a [nominal] candidate and reapply for the FEC funding.

Sure sounds a lot like collateral to me!

Par. 4(b) also requires McC to abide by the FEC spending limits, which he has now exceeded.

Stay tuned for the McCain Fortune Cookie Contest…

It’s seeming more and more that the corporations have decided who will be the next president and now it’s up to their puppets, the MSM, to insure their wishes become reality. Anyone that thinks this media is going to have an epiphany and magically transform their coverage of the campaign is either naive or terminally optimistic. Fortunately for the puppet masters a majority of Americans still get most of their information and opinions from the MSM. Alternative sources of information such as “Mother Jones”, “The Nation” and a few other voices of reason in print and broadcast journalism along with the blogs have as of yet minimal impact in framing the discussion. I think most people who are honest with themselves know that the handwritting is on the wall.

A quick read of the documents and letters RE: McCain vs. FEC seems to bear out the last letter from the FEC. The loan excludes the Federal Funds as collateral up to Jan. 8, 2008 but seems to indicate that funds after that date may be considered collateral. Also note the requirement for him to withdraw will require 4 commissioners be available and my understanding is that there aren’t enough available for a quorom due to an impass in the nominating and approval process for new commissioners between the WH and the Congress. Interesting technical points; I am sure MCCain will argue it is not his fault but the Dems for blocking The Preznuts picks, and nothing will become of it and he will spend anything he wants in the face of what supposedly is one of his main accomplishments. Typical Repug.

Canadian $!

Well now that Romney is out, someone has to fill the flip-flopper slot and McCain sure seems to do it well!

It’s not a problem with law. It’s a problem with the FEC who will not enforce the law.

McCain from same link as #17

I vote for 69.

So,if McCain has to give up won ton expenditures, does he run out of fortune cookies too?

his duck is pressed

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http://www.ontheissues.org/200.....Reform.htm
all quotes are from this site.
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”Politicans poll, posture, & influence-peddle

“We have squandered the public trust. We have placed our personal and partisan interest before the national interest, earning the public’s contempt for our poll-driven policies, our phony posturing, the lies we call spin and the damage control we substitute for progress. And we defend a campaign finance system that is nothing less than an elaborate influence-peddling scheme in which both parties conspire to stay in office by selling the country to the highest bidder,” McCain said. Source: CNN AllPolitics Jun 30, 1999

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*********this one talks about the fec enforcing the law–ironic.********

527s are clearly illegal; reform intended for small donors
Some say McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform is an assault on free speech. When you see soft money that’s now banned from going to the parties instead going to these 527s, which are even less accountable than the parties were, can you honestly say that McCain-Feingold is working?

A: We’ve strengthened the parties. There’s millions more small donors. We have taken soft money, which was rampant in Washington, out of the game. The 527s are a violation of the 1974 law. The 527s are clearly illegal. It’s not a problem with law. It’s a problem with the FEC who will not enforce the law. So, yeah, we made significant progress, absolutely, and I’m proud of a lot of the results of this. I lived in the environment where a powerful committee chairman would call and say, ”I need a check for seven figures from you, and by the way, your bill is up before my committee next week.” That was routine operation in Washington, and we’re still seeing manifestations of this kind of corruption.
Source: Fox News Sunday: 2007 ”Choosing the President” interviews Apr 2, 2007

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Money corrupts politics, and soft money corrupts absolutely
Q: Do you support a complete public funding of campaigns?

A: I don’t believe in public financing because I don’t think my tax dollars should be used to fund a person’s campaign that I philosophically disagree with… I think soft money is the primary evil. I believe that there’s going to come a time when people will say ‘this system is broken.’… It’s now legal in America for a Chinese Army-owned corporation with a subsidiary in the U.S. to give unlimited amounts of money to an American campaign.
Source: Joint interview with Bradley & McCain Dec 16, 1999

Off topic, sorry

But we (local ACLU) have a meeting this evening with the new Sacramento Chief of Police.

If there is anyone from Sac or No Cal who has any questions or concerns with the Sacramento Police Dept. or law enforcement in general, let me know in the threads, or email me at frisian at 320i hotmail dot com by 3:30ish (I’ll have to leave by then, to get there on time)

On topic, McBush needs to stay in Arizona

It’s raining McCain quotes.

“If you really want to set a new tone here, you’ve got to reduce the overriding influence of the big-money special interests here in Washington,” McCain told CBS’ The Early Show on the day in January 2001 he introduced the bill.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/p.....side_N.htm

dosido–i didn’t rip-off your link at 19 for my 72, was linked from the site i posted in last thread for ecahn that i reposted at my 24..

* g *

didn’t want anyone to think it was funny bidness goin’ on.

the link for quotes i posted at 24 is a really cool site, is one of my favorites.

Howie Klein might have a nomination or two in his “McCain’s Lobbyist Driven Campaign Careening From Position to Position” post.

After rehearsing the details of McCain’s ties to the telecom industry, Howie sums things up: “McCain has sucked in nearly $800,000 from the telecoms and their top executives and associates for his troubles. The telecom lobbyists have bundled far more than that for him– probably millions. He refuses to say.”

Howie then goes on to quote from a USA Today piece on McCain’s ties to the telecom lobby:

McCain has repeatedly sought restrictions on lobbyists and campaign donations, saying they create the appearance of corruption. “It is no coincidence that the most influential lobbyists with the greatest access in the nation’s Capitol are also the most prolific political fundraisers,” McCain says on his campaign website.

There’s also a link to watch McCain debate himself.

CHS -

May I be so impolite as to inquire if there are plans for future use of this quote?

Feel free to say you can’t on the basis of national security. That’s the response I’ve come to expect. *g*

No that’s okay! It’s all good and we’re all having fun!

Beg, borrow or steal? which is less corrupt? I’m so confused…

Me too!

Now what’s the quote?

Thanks for the link to McCain debating himself. That’s really good!

Don’t miss the link Peterr posted: McCain debates himself

Does that make him a master debater?

I heard a McCandyCain supporter quote on the radio today that boggled the mind. He was saying the comparison between Obama’s former Rev Wright and CrazyTrain’s Hagee isn’t fair, since McStain doesn’t really have a pastor, and then this caller admitted St. John is known to not really be a church-goer.

So here we have McCain’t supporters admitting that Obama is much more of a Christian than St. John.

Couple this with adding the actual context to Rev. Wright’s comments that have been getting so much attention, and they nuthin for the General Election on this issue.

That’s straight out of the Bush/Rove playbook - just pretend to be a Christian.

Some doofus on Hardballs right now defending McCain’s assertion that Iran is training and supplying Al-Q In Iraq.

Jon Solz taking him apart quite nicely.

Hey Kirk Murphy,

I really like your thread about the salmon - the one last weekend.

You had a quote in there by Dan Bacher - he’s a friend of mine - if you want, send me an email and I’ll give you his email. He could really tell you a lot about the devastation to the salmon

There’s also a link to watch McCain debate himself.

I’m just giggling as I click on the link!

Hey john - i’d be honored to hear from Dan - thanks! Thanks to your for your work with the ACLU in Sacramento - you rawk.

Email to follow.

Hey ‘pups, please Digg this post.

Jane’s post on this topic has gone over 1000 Diggs and is on the Digg front page!

LOL!

If the Moo Shoo fits (’Get them sacred cows outta here, John!).

or

Chow (Ciao) McMein, bye-bye.

He said wontonly. (Christy, these are known, among the celestials, as ‘friedian slips’ one must soup-pose, and usually occurr when one’s noodle is confronting the over-muchification of dealing with mushrooming outrages promulgated by lesser ant-hillian kick-overs masquerading as sentient beings. At least you spellerated it correckedly)

‘They’ are all so in-screw-ta-bull, that Lip-a-long mcLame might actually out-smarm himself.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer thuglicker ‘cuz there aren’t any left.

Great idea Christy!!

A contest where everyone who cares, ultimately, ‘wins’.

And, you are using one of my favorite ingredients, humor.

I’d like to know McCain’s relationship with Chalabi…and Chalabi’s relationship with people getting trained in Iran and returning to destabilize Iraq, as well as Chalabi’s connection to arms of any kind coming into Iraq from Iran.

Does that make him a master debater?

Hey now, don’t be gettin’ down on those of us who not only talk to, but also answer, ourselves.

As I’ve said before, I figure that as long as an argument doesn’t break out - no problem.

(oops, I just checked out the video - he did most certainly break out into an argument with himself). Bad sign….

Almost every FDL post that makes it to the Digg front page now gets marked with the “Reported by Diggers as Possibly Inaccurate” thing. Looks like some Diggers don’t like FDL.

this is pretty choice-from 2004

http://search.ft.com/ftArticle.....ck_check=1

Ellen Weintraub, FEC co-chair, argued against changing the laws mid-campaign, for the sake of fairness. But John McCain, the Arizona senator who co-sponsored the 2002 law banning unlimited donations to political parties, condemned the FEC decision as ”legally unsupportable” and a ”travesty”.

”They would have the FEC continue to ignore the central legal question before the FEC what groups qualify under existing law as federal political committees,” said Mr McCain, a Republican.

Looks like some Diggers don’t like FDL.

Wanna take a bet on the political affiliation of those mentioned?

On the floor of the Senate, 11/21/2003, while introducing a bill that would change the public financing system, McCain said:

The purpose of the presidential public financing system is to allow candidates to run competitive races for the presidency without becoming dependent on or obligated to campaign donors. That purpose is undermined when a candidate opts out of the system to raise and spend large amounts of private money for a primary or general election race. Such candidates should not be able to reject public financing and then get the system’s benefits when it suits their tactical advantage. A candidate should have to opt in or out of the system for the whole election.

Of course, the remarks are in the context of his reform proposal, S.1913. But that opting out language seems pretty poignant.

The entire discussion is here.

Hi John -

I’m too techno-challenged to figure out how to contact you via the blog - but my email is kirkmurphy AT gmail….

John McCain on soft money (with bonus 527 comment!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hRnQvgY2pE

Ah, this is too hard, there are so many good ones.

Hmmm, do you mean you clicked my name and went to the blog? For some reason you can’t look at other people’s profiles.

My email is above at 73, I’ll send you one in just a minute

http://search.ft.com/ftArticle.....&ct=0

”Mr McCain has vowed to crack down on them, with ”additional legislation if necessary”, and overhaul the FEC, which he calls ”enablers of violations of the law”. ”

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ok, i think thisis my final one, and it’s a killer, nice article from financial times from feb this year, about what’s going on with mccain and the fec.

http://search.ft.com/ftArticle.....&ct=0

”Mr McCain said: ”We think it’s perfectly legal. One of our advisers is a former chairman of the FEC, and we are confident that it was an appropriate thing to do.”

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yeah, ’my friend’ says it’s ok. so it’s ok /s

jane/christy–my question is-if he didn’t take the loan, can he be bound by it?

i’ve filled out forms before and then didn’t sign, therefore didn’t do business with them, so, i’m wonderin’ about that part. is just mccain saying he is going to get the loan, is he bound by it? is it collateral if it is just voiced? yes, he manipulated, but was it illegal?

We have a winner!!!

Yup, fits the situation perfectly.
One goose, cooked well.

I don’t suppose anyone could dig up the C-SPAN2 video that immortalizes those fine words from the brave Senator McCain as he rails against presidential candidates who only want to game the system.

Hoist on his own petardy, as it word-ie.

All those fine thoughts of what ought:

Have certainly brought

to the fore, alot

of mac-no-I’m Not

simply confused,

‘cuz when I’m bought

well, I’m bought

by the next highest bidder,

or the best quid pro quidder.

Uppity kidders can flip my old lidder,

How about this one:

A: I don’t believe in public financing because I don’t think my tax dollars should be used to fund a person’s campaign that I philosophically disagree with… I think soft money is the primary evil. I believe that there’s going to come a time when people will say ‘this system is broken.’… It’s now legal in America for a Chinese Army-owned corporation with a subsidiary in the U.S. to give unlimited amounts of money to an American campaign.

Source: Joint interview with Bradley & McCain Dec 16, 1999

That one just proves that St John is a knucklehead, and we already knew that. Public financing is the mechanism that insures that we have (relatively) clean, competitive campaigns. More importantly, public financing assures that no office holder is indebted to anyone but the public for her presence in office.

That’s the goal of public financing, St. John. As long as we allow folks with deep pockets to legally bribe our elected representatives with campaign contributions, we’re going to have an Animal Farm Government: All Animals are Created Equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Do you think for a moment that I could get on Congresscritter Steve Pearce’s calendar? Not a chance. Do you think that Bob Gallagher (President of the NM Oil and Gas Producer’s Assn) can? At the drop of a hat he can get on Pearce’s calendar.

That might not change under public financing, but for sure Pearce wouldn’t owe Gallagher a favor or twelve.

BC

The new McSame McVain McShame McCain refomer credo: Campaign pork for me but not for thee.

New moniker: McGame McCain.

It looks like someone will have to pop for $89.95 and then wade through 12 hours and 10 minutes of video to find the appropriate snippet to convert into a YouTube video, but I do believe that this is a link to the recording of the fateful day.
Who wants to take on this task?