Large wars are never won in a single instant, they are won with the persistent day to day skirmishes that over time wear down the defenses of the other side. We are in such a battle on FISA — on our side is liberty, freedom and the rule of law.
What we must do is to convince those legislators who have lost their bearings that their moral, solemn obligation is to the rule of law not to an expedient end for an inconvenient quandary not of their making. They owe this not just to us, those whose interests they are elected to represent, but also to the generations that follow ours from the Founding of this nation forward into generations yet to be, to uphold their oaths to the Constitution, and to maintain the rule of law and not of men. For without that, this nation will, I am afraid, fall into ruin. And we will have failed in our solemn duty to our forebears to not allow this to happen without a fight.
So, to the barricades.
Let’s start the first wave by making calls to your Senators this morning — be kind but firm to the staffers, let them know we expect the good Senators to stand up for liberty and the rule of law, to stand against telecom immunity — for it is anathema to excuse potential criminal behavior without first knowing exactly what promises the Bush Administration gave those companies in written indemnification agreements and we expect these Senators to do their full duty by examining any and all documents pertaining thereto.
In accordance with the Fourth Amendment to our Bill of Rights, no American shall be spied upon without a lawful warrant being obtained. Period. That includes the fact that basket warrants are unconstitutional and any law allowing for them shall be challenged forthwith.
We expect them to live up to that oath to honor the Constitution and the rule of law. And if they do not, they can expect us to hound them from this day forward until they see what John Adams described as follows: "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
George Bush is using Congress to shield himself from the full light of public scrutiny for his wrongs. When all of the evidence as to what has been done comes out, those Senators who enable him will be exposed as complicit in his wrongdoings.
Please ask your Senator if he or she is willing to put themselves on the line for George Bush’s temporary honor? Do they trust that George Bush and his Administration are following the law fully and without exception in this? And that the Bush Administration is being fully and completely honest with them as to what has been done?
Let’s brainstorm a bit on which Senators ought to be targeted for pressure. Gather up the local office phone numbers, addresses and FAX numbers. Contemplate good letters to the editor in their hometown papers. Or calling in to local talk radio. Think about setting up one-on-one meetings at local offices with staffers or, if you happen to be in DC, asking for a constituent meeting with staffers there — since they are on break, they have the time to meet on an issue of Constitutional importance, I should think. It’s high time to revive the "You Work For Us Summer Tour," don’t you think?
What else can be done? Let’s brainstorm…we have a rule of law to uphold, and a tradition of dissent to carry forward.
We have been watching the mini-series John Adams on HBO with great interest over the last couple of weeks. What has grabbed me from the start — apart from the incomparable cast, level of acting and scripting — is how alive the history seems in the hands of actors whose forte it is to play real people, warts and all. And how pale so many of today’s leaders appear to be in the comparison to the sacrifices and dedication with which the Founders and their families put to the cause of liberty and freedom.
But they seem so in hindsight, after the passing of a great many years and an even larger number of foibles and petty grievances have long since withered away, separating the leadership from the petty chaff of human frailty.
It is fascinating stuff. Especially when you view today’s political stewings through the lens of historical lesson and approbation of all that has turned out well, but also through the more indelicate viewpoint of all those failings to which each and every Founder was, at one point or another, tugged toward or from — be it the indelicate affairs of Franklin and his many mistresses and illegitimate children or Adams’ wealth of pride and arrogance or the devil’s bargain of maintaining slavery at the cost of unanimity at the very founding of the nation itself in the agreement to the great writing of Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence, which was tainted with the blood of so many left out of that document for so long.
Everything comes at a price — the question in politics is how to make possible the least cost for the most benefit for the greatest good.
The Franklin line from the second episode that "politics is the art of the possible" misses the mark in one respect: sometimes the "possible" is years in the making, the chipping away like water nudging grain after grain of resistance away over time until you have a Grand Canyon in all its glory unfolding for the view of all the rest of humanity.
Which is, most days, how I envision the FISA fight. With us as that tiny trickle at the start that becomes a loud roar that brooks no blockade as it seeks freedom.
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Good morning Christy, I am on my way out the door headed to That Place again.
I’ll catch up there.
My sense in that the congress’ failure to begin impeachment is the sign that they don’t take their constitutional role seriously and will never (as a body) protect out 4th or other amendment rights.
They simply believe that “national security” trumps rights and something as quaint as a constitution.
The logic that they use, is that without security there is nothing left to protect.
Good morning Christy.
I have no knowledge (or understanding) of the laws but why can’t the telcos get immunity if they give over all information and then let the bushies go after the telcos?
Grassley of Iowa will be in my hometown. I called his office to tell them I would be asking about FISA and rule of Law. It’s Wednesday, and I will come with my laptop loaded for bear since its in WIFI range at the public library.
There has been some discussion of using the security breaches on the presidential candidates’ passport files as an example of illegal snooping in the FISA battle. Is there any follow-up on this idea? It seems to me that very powerful TV ads could come from this.
I see a low-level worker “peeking” into a file online and snickering about what they see. A voice-over then reminds viewers of the passport file incident and then goes on to summarize the optical splitters and the huge data-hoovering that implies, with the question of what will be looked at in the viewers’ files. The voice-over then points out that employees were fired over the passport files and asks if the telecom companies spying on them should be given a free pass.
The Founders lived in the Age of Reason. We live in the Age of Stupid, presided over not by great phrases but by Bush’s mindless smirk.
I think Grassley could be a crossover. He’s mad about the whistleblower situation and I think the scales are beginning to fall from his eyes.
Another brillian post Christy. Thank you. And thanks for the reminder to get on the phone again today. Will do.
Considering the letter I received from Holy Joe just a week ago on FISA and the House, I am loathe to try again with that loathsome man.
Good Morning Christy!
to the phones!
The phrase the age of stupid reminded me of this:
It is a sad commentary on our age when being smart is a negative in getting elected.
The linky thingy doesn’t seem to work. I’ll try again.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20080321.html
for George Bush’s temporary honor? 7:22a
Temporary honor for temporary insanity…well maybe not so temporary.
I made my calls to Senators Harkin and Grassley. Both calls were well received.
If BUSHCO was leaning on foreign governments as hard as is reported here, how hard do you think they were leaning on the ‘lockstep’ Republicans in Congress?
And what does one think was being used to coerce them? NSA intercepts of embarassments or worse?
Don’t ever forget that this warrantless surveilance stuff started BEFORE 9/11. With immunity, we’ll never know what these guys did.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
I’d like to nominate Claire McCaskill of MO for some special attention. She is a former prosecutor, and why she signed off on the Jello Jay version of this bill is beyond me.
Thanks for the great post, CHS, & the reminder to, in my case, hit the fax machine to Boxer & DiFi yet again. Wake up, DIane. We never stop watching you.
Off to work now. Read you all later.
Good morning Christie. Thanks for the excellent post.
Am I wrong in thinking that if what they are doing is amending the Constitution, then they should be doing the appropriate extra steps involved, instead of trying to get this through and not be challenged in court because the secrecy involved will keep people from being able to sue for their constitutional rights? If not, then perhaps they should be reminded that Constitutional amendments are not to be taken so lightly.
Senator Evan Bayh, being a man with a spine comprised essentially of pudding, is *always* susceptible to pressure. Under even moderate pressure, I’ve seen him cave time after time. Go get him.
(202) 224-5623
(202) 228-1377 fax
I like to call Little Normy Coleman’s office every now and again to give them a piece of my mind but the being cordial to staffers part is a real bitch. They do, after all, have a choice about working for that little turd. In the case of FISA, Normy’s long history of water toting for Buschco will take precedence.
OT but strangely connected in a cosmic way (systems run amok and all); they titan Arthur C. Clark has died:
http://www.gulfnews.com/world/…..99390.html
it is called societal regression……….
That reminds me of something David Brower did when he was Executive Director of the Sierra Club and the Grand Canyon was about to be flooded to create a dam. He wanted to take out full-page ads in the New York Times, but the Sierra Club Board vetoed the idea as there was no money to pay for it. Well, he blew off his board and took out the ads anyway. The ads showed Michaelangelo’s ceiling in the Sistine Chapel and asked something like “Would you flood the Sistine Chapel to get a better look at the ceiling?” Those ads turned the tide. Brower was fired as Executive Director of the Sierra Club and he’s the hero that saved the Grand Canyon.
Can we do something like this?
Sorry for OT,
USA Today has an excellent expose regarding 22 former lobbyists for telecom industries who are bundlers and handlers for McInsane. Wonder how much MSM coverage will result?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/p…..titialskip
To the faxes!
Good morning Christy.
Okay, I promised myself I would work today and not get caught up in FDL. Fat chance! This is where I learn. And laugh.
johnSwifty, your little Normie Coleman rant is right on. He’s “my” senator, too. Have you noticed how hard he’s playing to the center lately, trying to make himself look un-Bushlike? Good luck with that, you grandstanding little weasel!
Just over a week ago, commenter ondelette posted the following on one of Glenn’s threads. I’m copying it here in its entirety because it addresses Christy’s call for strategy in which Senators to call:
Do yourself a favor and call him again. This time no need to be pleasant… People with emotion, expressing reason in the face of stupidity need not be civil all the time!! Believe me… to the thinned skinned and faint of heart a well place “*uck You,” certainly assets one’s position with clarity even bullies understand! Those subservient to “political correctness,” will be consumed!
FWIW I made calls to my senators. Cornyn and Hutchison. Cornyn’s never voted the way I would want him to and Hutchison only once that I know of. I support Dem Noriega as a replacement for Cornyn this fall.
My Senator is McCain-I should call him? This is how the Nazis took power. They must have the cooperation of millions of people to help them. Someone drove and maintained the railroads that transported the victims to the camps. People stayed silent when their neighbors disappeared. And on and on. Had the laws been obeyed in the first place we wouldn’t be talking about this. So ergo-laws have been broken. By GW Bush and the gang of thieves. My other Senator is Kyl- I should call him?
OK you’re right I’ll call them.
I agree with what you say about the show Christy, and generally with David McCollough’s admiration of Adams. However, it seems a huge irony that Adams may have come the closest to the the kind of executive overstepping we are opposing, with the Alien and Sedition Acts, and the opposition to those acts serves as an example of the kind of persistence you note.
Something different-Baroque Obama- A true Renaissance man!
apologies for the OT, but this headline at HuffPo just struck me as being funny as all get-out:
“Fred Thompson Plots Hollywood Return”.
Probably just my own strange sense of humor. Maybe Freddie has found an issue that he’ll actually have a strategy for…
you are dam right on that one!! corpogovenment!!!
Mornin’ Christy and Firedogs -
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Morning all — thought a little action along with some thought might be a good way to start the day today. How is everyone this morning?
I’ve seen recent polls where Normy has supposedly “pulled ahead” of Al Franken. I’m thinking, “Who on earth are these people Polling.” Even staunch conservatives don’t trust the slimy little so-and-so and at least with Franken, they’d have a know quantity and a laugh.
A good friend of mine used to work as a server at the Minneapolis Club and claims that she was serving coffee to Normy, the Nagles, and Jack Sperling the night that Sperling notified Norm he was done being a democrat.
Apparently the conversation went something along the lines of, “We’re going to tear down the Civic Center, build a new one, get a hockey team and you’re going to become a Republican or else you are done with politics in this state.” Well, I can believe it.
They all really do think that the Constitution “is just a piece of paper!” I have no doubt that 95% of Democraps and Rethuglicans believe this literally. I have NO doubt that 95% of them do not give so much as a first thought, let alone a second thought, to the oath of office they must take to be seated. They consider it a quaint, mild hazing ritual and nothing more.
Removing such monsters and criminals from office, one by one and as quickly as possible, is the best way to teach them the error of their ways.
Rockefeller MUST be targeted for unseating ASAP.
CHS,
A bit of a nip in the air. Beautiful today in the woods of New England!!!
Thanks Jim — all of those were on my preliminary list as well — along with several GOP Senators who are up for re-election in left-leaning states, including Sununu, Collins and others. Also, Sens. Clinton and Obama should be on that list — leadership on this issue could sway a lot of their supporters in the maybe columns. And Senate leadership as well.
But I wanted to get everyone’s thoughts on this and on who you think might be more vulnerable based on any conversations folks have had with Senators in their area or with their staffers. Sometimes, you get a feel on a waiver that you wouldn’t otherwise know about from the personal contact…
There isn’t much in the book about the Alien and Sedition Act either — I remember thinking that needed much more exposition when I was reading it. Haven’t gotten nearly that far in the show, yet, so no idea if they will expand on that at all or not…
What’s our presidential candidates stands on FISA? Are Hillary or Barack even bothering to make these votes?
Last time the both voted no on cloture, right?
IN light of the rate of resolution to all these issues that we are faced with,will they be carried over to the next administration?
It is ironic: if John Adams were alive today he’d be on Bush’s side all the way. He’d be all for telecom immunity, I bet.
An excellent article in the WaPo on the realities of lif in Iraq that I saw via TPMmuckraker:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..90_pf.html
http://obama.senate.gov/press/…..ement_122/
I read that book and was shocked to later realize when I heard Tom Hartmann talking about all the Alien and Sedition stuff. I’d forgotten about that. Adams was a real fascist, the first “conservative” law-breaking “shred the constitution” president. McCoulough’s book doesn’t really discuss any of that.
That is one theory — and would be better, frankly, depending on who is elected president because the need for CYA for potential illegal actions would not carry over to the President, Vice President and high-level staffers who pushed implementation and, thus, the push on telecom immunity wouldn’t (presumably anyway) be such a dire demand for a new administration. But how McCain would treat this, should he win, is a real question and one that I fear would mean there wouldn’t be a change on his part.
One of the many reasons getting Obama and Clinton on the record on this now is quite useful…
I have faxed Pudding-spine Bayh. Not that it is likely to do any good. I will, no doubt, receive one of his normal robo-replies that says “thank you for your views. I will take them into account blah blah”.
He’s an ass and needs to be removed from office as badly as Rockefeller does.
Yes, we have to push this as hard as we can for the sake of the rule of law. There is another similar type of data collection beside the telcos’ that I vaguely was aware of but had no idea of its size and breadth. A diary at DKos describes this and links to an ACLU effort to thwart it.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..133815/088
This is a re-jiggering of Poindexter’s Total Information Awareness program under another name, and there are 40 centers in the US collecting database info from many disparate sources. Read it and weep.
delurk
Called
Hello CHS
back to lurk mode, way to upset over everything to comment more, my comments would be beyond the pale.
Well I just did it. Called both McCain and Kyl. The answerers were very polite and so was I. I told them that ex post facto laws were prohibited and so should ex post facto immunity be too. I don’t know if they had a clue to what I was talking about. Article 1 section 9 of “That pesky piece of paper”
Good morning, Christy! Thanks for making it a lot easier for us to stay engaged and hold some feet to the fire. I can’t thnk of a better way to start a Monday than calling my senators (Reid and Ensign). Chip away, I say!
I feel fortified after taking yesterday off and spending the day in my garden and listening to the St. Matthew Passion. What a magnificent work and gift to humanity! Great music keeps me centered.
Off to my calls and e-mails and letters. I figure if one gets by them I have two more chances of a hit.
I read the TIA redux “Fusion Center” post at DKos and followed the link to the ACLU site about them. The ONLY states without fusion centers violating rights up and down are Idaho and Hawaii. Here in Indiana there is a fusion center. I went the website and saw there an email link where you could report “suspicious activity” so I reported on some…involving the suspicious behavior of the federal and state government in spying on Americans without warrant. On illegally tracking American’s every purchase, move, and communication. I asked the “authorities” to take action to deal with this suspicious activity.
I expect a no-knock warrant or sneak-and-peek to be used against me now.
christy,
I too am on my way out the door but rest assured, the calls will be made. Our local papers (the Detroit area) have published a lot my letters on FISA/ NSA /telecom immunity. Another one is in the works. Thank you for the great post. I love the John
Adams quote, “Facts are stubborn things
PAPEZ, PLEEZE, HERR CITIZEN:
“Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguards people’s private communications and financial information…”
Yep. Panoptic police state looms. No “anonymity”? So, law enforcement should be able to accost anyone on the street without any cause, and demand identification?
amen christy.
engineering is the art of making the possible become reality.
politics, at it’s best, ought to be the art of making the impossible, possible.
We’re working on it, anyway. Sometimes, though, it feels like an endless laundry list of things that need tackled all at the same time, doesn’t it?
chs do you really think the house isn’t going to pass fisa/immunity?
The House or the Senate? The House already passed their version without it, and I’m told that a number of key members are very firm about it and are sick of the Senate tossing the mess back in their lap. The Senate is more iffy — but they don’t have a bill to conference at the moment as I understand it, because they effectively tabled their bill at the end of the last session, which means they have to re-vote somehow to get it out of bill purgatory to have anything to conference with…and I’ll take any opportunity to fight this so long as we can.
We’ve managed to keep them from passing telecom immunity for over a year by fighting so far, what’s a few more months of pushing for the rule of law? If we don’t try, they’ll surely do whatever in the hell they want. But if we do try, we might just get what we’re asking for, eh?
I’ll call my Senators, but since one of them is AWOL for his senatorial duties because he’s been running for president for the last 4 years…. I guess we can only count on Senator Durbin. He’s usually good when the chips are down.
It sure would be nice to see some real leadership on this in the Senate from one the Pres candidates. I shall not hold my breath though. :(
Thanks again for all the hard work CHS. The Conyers story from TBA was priceless. :)
that’s why i think what you are doing on fisa is politics at it’s best.
it takes vision to recognize that what is impossible today, may not be impossible tomorrow if we work together to make the change.
don’t let the naysayers get you down!
Aw, thanks…that means a lot. Really appreciate it. :)
Go to ibm.com and search – web based data mining and there’ll be some 5000 plus references. Check out the “web based data mining article. They talk about how easy it is to do this and take you through a step by step on it.
i can’t remember were i read it but… the house and the senate have to meld their versions of the bill. their grapevine told them they would include immunity in the final version. this is a ruse to throw us of the scent. i’m wathing j adams also and it makes me ashamed of what we’ve let this country become. it’s because our country hasn’t dealt with the cold facts since 1920’s. our congress just keeps sweeping eveything under the rug and we let them. where else in the world can you have the son of guy who was charged and sanctioned with the “tradings with the enemies act” as head of the cia, vice pres and wait for it… president. fucking crazy.
Shouldn’t we also write and call Howard Dean, head of the Dem party and ask for him not to fund Democrats running for re-election that vote with the GOP? Is he the person who decides who and how much money will be allotted a Senator who is campaining for re election?
Except that the Senate screwed up and pulled their bill back — so they have to take some affirmative action to pull it back out of mothballs, as I understand the procedural conundrum at this point. Both sides must have a viable bill on which to conference and, at the moment as I understand where we are procedurally, the only side with a pending bill is the House. The Senate has no bill actively pending to send to conference. And without one, there can be no conference — which means there will have to be at least another vote in the Senate in order to achieve something conference-able if that is the case.
by the time I got through all the crap I learned in high school
, it’s a wonder I can even think at all.{ paul simon}
I don’t wanta learn what I gotta unlearn.{dylan}
First you got to throw away everything you thought was true and then put it back together the way it really is.
no fear
thank you chs
Dearest CHS,
When this insanity to grant telecom immunity and most effectively shield Little Georgie and the Big Dick from their own culpability is over, I will nominate you for sainthood, and the Constitutional Hall of Fame. Your work has energized me. I have managed to convince a few of my friends. And I’d like to think that my continued letter writing to Senators Cardin and Mikulski as well as to Rep Van Hollen will have done something to help.
Obviously I have to do much more with Miss Barbara.
You’re my hero in defending the Constitution.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
I’ve written Senators McCaskill and Webb and asked them to support the Constitution and to change their FISA votes.
Debbie Stabenow voted FOR immunity. Maybe we can change her mind.
phone: 202 224-4822
TTY:202 224-2066
senator@stabenow.senate.gov