And yet the numbers tumble out; 81,632-1,120,000 Iraqi civilians dead. How could we be so unsure? How could we not know whether 1,038, 368 people celebrated their eighth birthdays or graduated from high school or handed their daughters off in marriage? We are a bit more confident about our estimates of Iraqi refugees, 2.2-2.4 million (it helps that other countries are trying to count them as their cities and slums swell uncomfortably). But here too we don't know whether the intended birthday trinkets were left behind, whether education was abandoned such that gutters could be swept or handouts could be taken in the streets of Damascus and Iran, or whether elderly fathers were left behind, too frail to make the trip outside Iraq.
Images of these victims are rare on the mainstream news and generally when they appear, perhaps as background snippets to a discussion of troop strategy, we cannot quite move beyond this level of Arab as abstraction. We can't quite be moved at the gut towards a glimmer that we insist is the glimmer of a shared humanity. We may call these infractions human rights violations, we may count them and track them and remember to read these numbers most days of the week, but I have only rarely seen the lurching of a human gut towards these suffering people.
One instance when I have seen this primal lurch – and I write this with discomfort about what it says about ideologies and theories of ethnicity and kinship – is in the body of my own husband. A Lebanese-Palestinian who has been in the United States for a decade, he is in fact very assimilated, a man whose work and day to day life are quite far removed from the politics of the Arab world. Yet one evening, many months ago, we watched (on which channel, I cannot recall) coverage of the aftermath of a bombing that had hit a civilian neighborhood. The images were as they always are; too many effects of personal life strewn about gaping concrete, too many confused and dirtied people. A few minutes into the broadcast, the newsman let the sound of a woman in the background into the clip and it was a piercing, accusatory, sad, fractured voice. She spoke in Arabic, there was no translation. But as she yelled in her hijab my husband shook slightly, teared slightly. "It sounds like my mother. Like all the women I know."
We do not hear our mother’s cry in the voice of the few Iraqis we see in the media. We are told that Iraq is off the table this political season, yet a continually growing number of Iraqis have no table to bring their grievances to, nor homes to rest in.
Instead we have bought walls and destruction.
And killing fields And shattered lives.And two more incidents of civilians killed by US air strikes, one unnoticed by our press, one surprisingly given some small attention. Both incidents a dreadful addition to the tally we keep here each week.
In Salah al-Din, on Thursday:
Six civilians were killed when the U.S. army shelled their vehicle near Samarra, while U.S. forces said that they targeted a number of suspected gunmen in southwest Samarra, a police source said on Thursday.
In Samara on Saturday:
…a U.S. attack helicopter fired on two checkpoints manned by U.S.-allied Sunni fighters near Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad, killing six and injuring two, Iraqi police said.
The U.S. military said an AH-64 Apache helicopter fired on the positions after five people were "spotted conducting suspicious terrorist activity" in an area notorious for roadside bombs.
"Initial reports suggested the attack may have been a Sons of Iraq checkpoint," the military said, using a term for the armed U.S.-backed groups. "The incident is currently under a joint Iraqi-Coalition Force investigation."
A local official of the U.S.-backed group said the attack occurred about two hours after American soldiers stopped at the two checkpoints to meet the Sunni fighters.
"They asked us general questions like: 'Have you gotten your IDs?' and 'Do you need anything?' and then they left," Sabbar al-Bazi told The Associated Press. "Two hours later, after I had gone home, I heard two explosions, probably caused by two missiles, and machine-gun fire from a helicopter."
Lt. Col. Dhiya Mahmoud Ahmed, an Iraqi military officer in charge of security in the area, said he told the Americans after the attack that he had been aware of the friendly checkpoints for two days.
AP Television News footage of the aftermath showed awakening council members loading bodies into a pickup. Their faces were masked and they wore bright yellow vests — apparently to identify themselves for U.S. forces as members of friendly groups. Bloodstained rocks and bits of flesh could be seen around the checkpoint.
This week also brought word of an impending bloodbath in Mosul as US and Iraqi forces continue their drive on the city and desperate residents flee:
The Iraqi Red Crescent Society is warning of a massive exodus if U.S. and Iraqi troops go ahead with plans to attack Mosul, the country’s second largest city with nearly 3.8 million people.
(snip)
But the society said it feared a joint attack in which units of Kurdish militias are to take part will lead to one of the largest waves of internally displace people the country has seen since the 2003 U.S. invasion.
Mosul is a predominantly Sunni Arab city and residents are unhappy with the role U.S. occupation troops have given to Kurdish militia fighters.
What we have bought, what we continue to buy is totaled up in Robert Fisk’s anniversary essay:
Minimum estimates for Iraqi dead mean that the civilians of Mesopotamia have suffered six or seven Dresdens or – more terrible still – two Hiroshimas.
(snip)
And I will hazard a terrible guess: that we have lost Afghanistan as surely as we have lost Iraq and as surely as we are going to "lose" Pakistan. It is our presence, our power, our arrogance, our refusal to learn from history and our terror – yes, our terror – of Islam that is leading us into the abyss. And until we learn to leave these Muslim peoples alone, our catastrophe in the Middle East will only become graver. There is no connection between Islam and "terror". But there is a connection between our occupation of Muslim lands and "terror". It's not too complicated an equation. And we don't need a public inquiry to get it right.
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Siun, Aloha!
this makes me McCrazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzy,i cant stand to think about what we have wrought
and LA Times reports today,McCrazy pushed for the Iraqi war since 1998..10 years
siun,
i look forward to these sunday night posts. once again,during the week i thought of a question to bring to the table. and forgot it. i’ll rack my brain.
did you see real time last nigt. they had on the cnn bahgdad reporter (i think. he says we can’t leave until we fix things.
another great, informative post. i swear i get more here sunday night than i get in the msm all week.
Sickening… We need to get out NOW!!!
does that all count towards the 100?
It’s all just exactly as bad as a year ago, or two, or three… It will never change as long as we are there. Nick Kristof at the NYT reported on a quote by, I think, Joseph Stiglitz to the effect that those who believe that our being there is a good that out weighs the damage for the Iraqis, the next question that needs to be asked is: Is it worth destroying our economy for that good.
Sometimes you have to appeal to peoples self interest to get them to move…
Evening folks
hey Siun!!!
i spose…one thing i know for sure…he is certifiable,batshit insane!
evening Suin…cant say its good after contemplating Fisks comment
I believe one of the saddest stories is of the Iraqi girls working as prostitutes in the countries to which they have fled in order to feed the family. Can you imagine what this must do to them - especially since they are brought up not to even have contact of any kind with men other than members of their families.
siun.
i remember the question. and this is for anyone that know.
remember before the war, sadama had to make a disclosure of what weapons he had? and i remember te news footage of stacks of binders and floppy disks. did this administration even look at it? was it pretty accurate?
Clearly we need to do what we can to help repair what we have wrought. But clearly we can not do it on our own. How to get that help from the rest of the world with the Rep that Bush has created is problematic.
We — I am generalizing — treat the Iraqis and other Middle Easterners with such contempt, and yet that was the cradle of our civilization.
loptta people wanna have a beer with him, though. war stories, i guess. but that would leave out all the chickenshit republicans.
try as i often do,i CANT imagine any of their day to day existence,the closest ive come is a bad hurricane,and no electricity for 2 weeks
Hello, Siun, welcome back to your Sunday nite perch!
And thank you, as usual, for the grim reminders of how we visited Holy Week on the Iraqis.
I wonder if Pope Benny will come down on W during his visit next month?
absolutely.
the guy also said words to the effect that the iraqi gov’t really doesn’t6 care about te troop levels so much as the $$$$ levels. troops can go as lonmg as the $$$ keps commin’. i’ll see if i can find the exact quote. don’t wanna misrepresent what he said.
hey the Romans enjoyed duels to the death in the Coliseum
Hello Teddy and thank you for standing in for me the last two weeks … it is good to be home and good to be here but it was lovely to know you were keeping an eye out for me! thank you!
i remember too
EEWWW…oh, you mean come down, not go down…
hey Siun–were you outta the country? I’m heading for Hong Kong later this week…
I prefer us getting out. Agree to fund the reconstruction but keep all hands off and allow the Iraqis to regain sovereignty of their own country.
We cannot fix what we set out to destroy.
i hope so.
i’m a sorta catholic (I went to mass today) and i couldn’t understand it if he didn’t. well, i couldn’t understand why a pope wouldn’t. i might be able to understand why THIS pope wouldn’t. he’d go a long way towards earning some respect from me if he’d call bullshit on bush.
did you see real time last nigt. they had on the cnn bahgdad reporter (i think. he says we can’t leave until we fix things.
Michael Ware.
Here ya go….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSP0CYEvq4w
didja see this?
http://www.spiegel.de/internat.....88,00.html
agreed.
I was very moved by the Guardian films segments that I’ve included above - and by Erica Bouris’ amazing essay - I hope folks will take the time to view and think.
2 words,……… dim sum
off for dinner,later maybe?
Michael Ware is very attached to the idea that “we” can fix it … that’s missing the point of who is breaking it - and whose country it is.
dim sum good vittles!
The ICRC report can be downloaded from here:
Iraq: no let-up in the humanitarian crisis
or directly from this link to the PDF pdf file
Teddy - every year now on Good Friday dad (markfromireland) puts up this be aware you might find this years photos distressing:
Et respondens rex dicet illis - 2008
Even more distressing is the fact that this is the third year.
this is long but it’s what michael ware said on rteal time. i rthink we need to get out. but he says:
WARE: Well, unfortunately, I guess, from a purely, you know, self-interested point of view, from, say, the United States, you can pull out of here tomorrow. And let’s forget about the moral horror that would ensue as everyone just starts hammering into each other. You’ve also got to think about whatever disaster takes place here is sitting atop some of the world’s largest oil reserves. You reckon filling up at the barrels is expensive now, just imagine a regional proxy war here involving all the big oil players like Iran and Saudi Arabia and Iraq. I mean, that’s just a – a nightmare from the hip pocket. Let alone those people who will die.
Let alone the fact that Islamic extremists and terrorists on both sides of the Islamic fence will just be having a field day. There’ll be more terrorist camps than you can shake a stick at. And you don’t think that’s not going to come home and bite America?
I’m sorry. America broke this country and, for better or for worse, it’s going to have to figure out how to sticky-tape it back together, at least long enough for the world to breathe, Bill. [applause]
MAHER: Wow. Boy
I agree. And I can understand his insistence that we do attempt to fix it. But I don’t think that WE can, I only see the damage that we continue to inflict on these people. And I simply don’t see how we can reasonably expect, given the current state of our economy, to entirely fund the reconstruction.
markfromireland’s good friday posts are sadly so true … I sat with it for quite a while on Good Friday and thought of what we have wrought
Adding two words to what I posted earlier today:
Yeah, let’s ponder the precise, stable equilibrium point constituting a “win” (i.e., “fixing Iraq”). I love that. Lessee, a politically unified, internally peaceful, democratic Iraq strong enough to “defend itself” against regional hostiles, yet not too strong militarily to itself constitute a threat to its neighbors. Right, we’re gonna bring that about during my lifetime, LOL!
Hence, McBu’ush’s 100 year war.
yeah. maher said he disagreed and i do and i guess everyone here does too. you’re right that we’re in no position to be the fixer-uppers when we destroyed the place. and this dream of establishing a functioning democracy and all the rest of that happy horseshit…. hope we’re not stayin’ around for that to happen. but that seems to have been the point of the surge
sigh.
Didn’t say I agreed with him, though he *does* in fact make the point that it was us who broke it. His argument then proceeds, however, to conclude that “we”, and only “we”, can (and should) fix it.
Sounds like a job for the UN. Seriously. Of course the UN is just one set of people that Bush has succeeded in pissing off at us.
Our military is a good breaking tool, not so good of a fixing tool. Our military presence in the mid-east is also the reason we were attacked in the first place. Is anyone inside the “Serious People Group” even asking the question of why a democracy has its troops all over the world when there is no threat other than that caused by its presence where it has no business being?
Hi Siun, I was just going to post a link to this very video. The footage just shreds the propaganda about Iraq! Sadly, apparently many Americans think the war is going well and not enough people see footage like this. Thanks!
Ware misses our involvement in the horrors that are Iraq today, our funding of the death squads, our encouragement and support of the El Salvador option, etc.
Once you face that, you cannot advocate that we stay and “fix” ….
I use the analogy that I would not want my rapist to drive me to the hospital.
those clips by the iraqi journalist are extraordinary. are there more?
Apparently we lost some more of our soldiers today. The Iraq Coalition Casualty Count is at 4000.
A very good point KevinP
Ow!
“It’s a number.”
Happy Easter.
BTW, Iraqi body count, if we had it, would be over 250 times U.S. body count.
Seems fair.
/snark
How about funding peace and reconstruction efforts through any other channel than the DOD MIC mechanisms/budgets. I don’t believe for one minute the Neo Con (D’s and R’s) plan involves reconstruction or peace.. If and when it happens, it will be in spite of us, not with our help.
Can you believe this utter BS…
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/I.....32008.html
We should just leave.
There will be opportunities for others to fix the horror we have wrought. Unfortunately, those actors are not to our liking. Tough for us.
I think in a year, the new President (glory be!) will have plenty to be occupied with here at home. Slumburbia, Bushvilles under freeways, children begging on streetcorners for their families’ food. It’s going to be bad, and no one in the world will want our advice, aid, or assistance. We will be world pariahs, having destroyed an economy based on faith and trust.
The coming American undoing may be the best thing to happen to the Iraqi people.
Hello, eCahn! What say you? Can we afford to pour more treasure into the hole we created in Iraq?
not that i was any kind of fan of saddam, but all this kinda makes me miss him. he caused a lot less destruction than we are and the country was basically functioning for most people. *she said, ducking, hoping to avoid being hurt by the attacks*
Oh it will change - it will keep on getting worse and worse.
Du
I believe those are the full films - does anyone else know if there are longer versions?
Oklahoma is becoming blue again. She is returning to her roots. And she wants our boys and girls home from Iraq. In this family we have many serving in the military. One of ours (family) has just this month returned to Iraq for the fourth time. Kiddo weeps, though he does not show it. I weep. And show it.
Lahoma
Aloha, Du! How’s the family doing?
yeah. i mean it just isn’t going to get better with us there. not even in 100 years. so what’s the point to staying?
Digg, firedogs, digg!
Have you noticed how the neo-con interrogatory is no longer “Well, would you want Saddam to still be in power?” They used to ask that all the time; now, not so much.
Sure — he was a horrible tyrant, but until Cheney started doing so much business with the Iranians, he was at least OUR tyrant.
Minimum estimates for Iraqi dead mean that the civilians of Mesopotamia have suffered six or seven Dresdens or – more terrible still – two Hiroshimas.
This should be on every teevee every damn day until the stupid people understand exactly what we have done there, and exactly why we are producing terrorists there faster than we can create jobs here. Why is it okay to kill and displace these people?
More money for Halliburton, KBR and Blackwater?
Hi.
I’m really wiped so confining myself to snarky one-liners. Not worthy of the topic or the blog. So forgive me if I save my serious responses for a future opportunity.
Siun,
Your post is uncompromisingly honest: you indict heartbreakingly.
On this day, many of us look for signs of new life.
It’s time for Iraq to get some hope and life and triumphant change for the better.
Moderately well :-) They are too young except for our daughter to be given chocolate and she can only eat so much of the stuff …. Didn’t manage to get in touch with dad this year which is sad but was not unexpected. I gather his friends managed some sort of celebration for him which is nice as its his favourite festival.
Snark is good..
i knowwhat you’re saying. i sometimes look at it another way that will get me attacked way more than you — i don’t care about the iraqi’s but having saddam equaled having stabiluity and that was in america’s best interest. ok. i do care about the iraqi’s but i care about what happens here more. i put things a little indiscretely maybe. but, like, it’s like realpolitik, man. ya know?
I don’t the “we” can fix it any better than some other group or coalition can fix it.
What exactly needs to be fixed and why are we the ones to do it?
If “we” hadn’t been flooding the region with weapons for half a century and stealing their oil, and propping up dictators and creating artificial borders.
We created all the problems of the region.
We don’t have any strategic interests in the region.
We should buy oil if that what we want and sell them what they need from us.
Who are the idiots which designed these policies. They are the criminals of world class magnitude.
BTW, I did support an Iraqi artist last night. Bought a painting, which can be seen about 1/3 way down at the link, Ahmed Nussaif, War. Proceeds that artist actually recieves will support his family for a month.
http://www.iraqi-art.com/gallery/
I am against not getting out of Iraq now. What are the plausible arguments for not doing (shutting down our involvment in Iraq) this?
Lahoma
I’ll volunteer Ware to help fix it, along with all the politicians who thought invading was a Good Idea, and especially the ones who still think that way.
We can’t fix it ourselves, not now; all we can do is make it worse. We should just hand over a lot of money - not that we have that any more - to Red Crescent and the UN to help.
(I saw one guy on CNN this afternoon who was saying that Iraq doesn’t really have anything to do with the economy tanking, it’s all from the housing and mortgage crisis. It’s a big elephant in the room that a lot of us can see, and he wasn’t admitting it exists.)
Exactly! We are supposed to be “the good guys”, a democracy, “the shining light on the hill.” And yet we are responsible for this mess. If we continue to look the other way, we are going down a deep dark hole.
Somebody needs to ask Ware if it’s possible to repair a country while you are still blowing it up and building twelve foot high walls between neighborhoods.
so few people gaining from this (think mic) for so much destruction of lives and hope and property. the whole middle east is in serious disarray from the policies of our government.
i can’t emphasize enough how much i’d like to see our government focus on alternative and sustainable energy and livelihood. there’s so much we could develop with the 3 trillion that’s gone to destroy iraq and afghanistan and prop up all the wrong people in the rest of the middle east.
These are always good discussions but I would like to propose that the timeline be widened. As a veteran of fighting Obama’s hero RayGun..Tricky Dicky and the nutballs of post Goldwater Merikkka, as a certified draft refuser from 1971 I’d like the current progressive movement to start t ask themselves two questions:
One, why have we embroiled ourselves in war after war since WWII.
Two, why do the American people continue to support this even though we have lost every conflict since WWII.
To kick the discussion off I give you this and this and point out that a significant fraction of our industrial base is currently working to supply the war. If you have time you might want to consider the latest brohaha about AirBus taking ‘war work’ away from Boeing and the Boeing union’s response to that.
I am interested in knowing just what makes Ware hopefull at all that America can do anything more than we’ve already done. It’s a sad fucking day when those poor Iraqi people can probably look back at Saddam with fondness compared to what is going on now.
They don’t off any justifications as far as I can tell except that we cannot afford to lose.
But of course, we have already.
Yes, here’s a link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jun/23/iraq. In the search box, type in the journalist’s name + videos. There are others.
I hate to say this to you because you have the right idea but the U.N. is only marginally less hated than the U.S. - if you think back to the sanctions and what they did to Irak’s children and add to that the fig leaf of legality they provide to the occupation you’ll see why.
It is no accident that the first really major bombing wasn’t against the Americans but instead blew up the U.N. headquarters in Baghdad.
unfortunately that link didn’t work for me.
Obviously a solution cannot be imposed from outside. The people there need to work out their own problems.
And it will not be pretty. But no imposed solution will work.
Beautiful work. Makes me want to start painting again. That has always been for me a sign of good work.
Try this Guardian > world > Iraq it’s all there.
Green Warrior, I had no trouble, but here are links to two other videos:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/video/2008/mar/19/
iraqs.lost.generation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/mar/18/
baghdads.killing.fields
I think Ware is looking at it from the perspective that we created the problem so we just have to find a way to fix it. I don’t think he’s looking at the practicality issue.
We can’t fix it for the simple reason that as long as we are there the Iraqis will be fighting us so that we will get out. You cannot build and fight at the same time.
Right.
The Donahue film is so damning.
The vichy dems are so pathetic on the war because they were afraid to be tagged as wusses and unpatriotic.
So many with blood on their hands in this “government” and it’s not only Bush and the NeoTheoCons.
I don’t know how those who voted for the AMUF and every supplemental can sleep at night knowing that they have facilitated such a horror.
And before the attack we were spending $10BB a year bombing Iraq - since the end of the Gulf War.
We have insane leaders.
thank you
We are not wanted there, as fighters or fixers. We are presumed, correctly, to be occupiers for oil. Any fix we try to impose, although not as fighters, will be correctly seen as part of our oil occupation.
We must leave.
I lost the link, but read an article this week about Cheneys iraqi buddies being the ones who are raking in the majority of the oil revenue..and they still refuse to allow any oil to be utilized to operate electric generation plants over there. It’s us and our buddies who are maintaining the problems with intent.
i just get the same message i got for your original link. going to the guardian i got to the guardian page that links to ghaith abdul-ahad’s articles. i don’t know why your links aren’t working for me.
OT
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Wonderful to hear you made a purchase from them … I’m planning on getting in touch with them this week … an amazing project.
Michael Ware looked ready to jump out of his own skin on Maher’s show. Guess that’s some of the “romance” of the front lines Bushie envies so.
hi siun, keep running behind, as you know, i like the info you offer………i worship thee, i worship thee, i worship thee……now going to read post and comments.
p.s. did you see what donita did friday for iraqi artists??????
i remember the post you did about the poets, and the market where they gathered when it was bombed…….remember that? i never have forgotten it…..when donita did the thread on painters, it tore my gut out. made remarks about both on the thread.
tiptoeing quietly-
(beerfart, millenery, and masaccio, left responses in last thread)
dmac … such powerful art .. it’s great that Donita brought them to our attention - and I too thought of the poets.
Jane has suggested we see if we can do more and I’ll be investigating that …
Maybe I’m just dreaming, but could a national advertising campaign be put together that shows these real consequences of war and asks the viewer to consider whether their candidates will continue the destruction or put a stop to it? Kinda like those ads supporting the surge last year.
I introduced them to a gallery in New Paltz where I’ve probably bought half my paintings, Mark Gurber, who usually sells local artists but I think there might be a market here for this Iraqi exhibit. Don’t know whether it’ll work out, but introductions can’t do harm.
http://www.markgrubergallery.com/
Americans are not always unwanted in places. We do come in there and sort out things occasionally, like build schools or hospitals and so forth. The ones we bribe like us. hahaha And we did have a reputation as a nation who would liberate people from oppression. This is largely based on WWII as far as I can tell and lots of USIA propaganda. Mostly we did the reverse, participate in the oppression of people. Nevertheless a lot