The Family Research Council's vice president for policy removed his good-manners mask to reveal the hidden hate agenda of the far-right American talibangelicals {hat tip Pam's House Blend}.
We who warn stridently that the right-wing's private army squads might sometime come for any of us in the night are often mocked: "That can't happen here!" Somehow, we are reassured, American values wouldn't allow it.
But who defends values loudest in America? Who do the media go to when looking for values validation? Who does the White House invite in for chats? Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council.
His ayatollah for policy, Peter Sprigg, makes very clear in the interview above, yes: it can happen here. And these folks -- not a group on the margins, but deeply embedded at the White House and in the GOP -- want the gays gone from America. Speaking about the Uniting American Families Act, which would require our Federal government to treat couples the same for immigration purposes regardless of their gender, Sprigg had this to say:
I would much prefer to export homosexuals from the United States than to import them into the United States because we believe homosexuality is destructive to society.
This man advocates the forced expulsion, or deportation, of American citizens based on our sexual orientation.
Family Research Council is currently pressing John McCain to clarify his views on the sanctity of heterosexual marriage:
McCain was asked to be more clear and firm on whether he supported the GOP’s platform supporting an amendment to the U.S. constitution that would define marriage as between one man and one woman.
Although McCain said he did support the GOP’s position on marriage on Fox News’ “Hannity and Colmes” last week, amendment supporters question his sincerity when he spoke about taking a federalist approach to the issue in which each state would set up its own legal definition of marriage.
"Last Thursday night, Senator McCain tepidly endorsed the GOP's platform concerning the protection of life and the preservation of marriage,” said Connie Mackey, Family Research Council Action’s senior vice president, in a statement.
“His response to this question as well as his federalist position regarding the definition of marriage leads one to believe that his endorsement is not definitive.”
So, St John? What's your pleasure? Forced exportation of gays? Federalism on marriage equality? Somewhere in between, unlikely to please anyone? We'd all like a helping of clear-and-firm, please. Exactly where do you stand, Senator?
Tony Perkins of the Christian political advocacy group the Family Research Council (www.frc.org) wrote, “To succeed in his bid for the White House, McCain must consolidate his support among conservatives which will not happen just because he is the Republican nominee. In the wake of ... Republican scandals ... and ... failure to advance ... the social conservative agenda ... support for the GOP has diminished.”
If the "McCain can do no wrong" media asks him any questions on this, color me surprised. Here's how to do it, though. Four words, very easy soundbite:
Forced Export of Gays, Senator McCain: Yes or No?
Will anyone in the media stand up and abandon a so-far flawless audition for LapDogs Two: The McCain Years?
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Oy. My best friends & relatives are gay.
Jeez, and people get excited about Rev Wright!
“We who warn stridently that the right-wing’s private army squads might sometime come for any of us in the night”
Ron asked me last night, “What would you do if the knock on the door came to be? Would you fight” Would you run? Would you go quietly?” I said that the time to fight would be much sooner that that.
Evening Teddy. Do you at least get a choice as to where they export you to? Maybe some peace-loving country that’s not half theocracy?
hello, GordonM!
hiya mary.
yes, eCAHN — and how shall we respond on behalf of our friends and loved ones?
I love Rev. Wright.
Great post, Teddy. Don’t these nuts have anything to talk about except gays? It’s not like we don’t have any problems in this country. They need to get a life and leave the rest of us alone. They make me ill.
Hey Teddiroonie.
Lots of wishful talk at Pam’s about Holland or Belgium. I don’t think they’d actually export us; camps like Hutto will do.
These nutjobs don’t even bother with the white sheets. I just hope the Rethugs keep embracing them. They deserve each other.
Yeah, I don’t get it. I’m as white as they come (oops, not quite, I’m 31/32nds white), and I think the dude is fantastic.
Hiya Teddy! Is the Family Research Council affiliated with the Moonies? Is Tony Perkins? I’m seeing him behind every Bush lately and I’m spooked by it.
So, TSF, I haven’t followed the “gay” posts, but I have thought about the issue a lot. Why would anyone care about gays? If you had to select a group, that, as a group, never did any harm to anyone, gays might be the only one you could find. (Which is not to say that individuals gays fall on the same “normal” distribution that all human beings fall on.) The only A that I have thought of is: Because they can. Gays are a group that is still easy to villify, in some part because they rarely fight back. That would be my policy recommendation, preparing all the while for blowback (pun intended).
Ya big silly! You probably put his words in context and actually think about what he’s saying. Of course you don’t get it! ;^)
John McCain supports the torture of human beings by the United States of America.
Given his apparent support for the Anti-Gay Agenda, we must wonder who he has in mind to be tortured.
Weren’t these guys supposed to have raptured by now? How long do loonies need before people stop believing this crap?
Ha. Anticipated your Q in my 15. But talk to me about reactions to different strategies the communty has tried. My wonder gay friends by-in-large have not been activists but have tried to find a way to live the kinds of lives they want within the prevailing attitude.
What are the odds Sprigg is in the closet? He doth protest…
Hey, has anybody seen Busted today? His niece is in the green zone, and he was really worried last night.
Check out FRC’s Policy Areas website here.
Areas listed first, under Human Sexuality, are:
Yes, I would say they are wee bit obsessed.
My gaydard went up when I saw/heard Perkins.
Yeah. Silly me. Always reading the whole speech instead of being satisfied with the soundbites.
(Jeez, between eCAHN’s “blowback” and my “soundbites”, my guys are in real trouble here).
They are a pretty much “below-the-waist” gang.
Hi Teddy!
good grief *sigh*
I can’t find much he’s saying that I haven’t said myself. And what I haven’t said I pretty much agree with. Go Rev Right (sic).
My sister’s been a Jehovah’s Witness for 35+years. In about 1972, she told me that if the rapture didn’t come that year, she’d drop the religion…
If the right-wind loonies had any sense, they would stop trying to force McCain to go on record in support of all of their farthest out radical fringe policy positions and would allow him to try to pass himself off as some kind of moderate in order to increase his chances of getting elected.
Perhaps they are doing us a service by making him toe the wingnut line.
In Israel, you have the right, the far right (Likud), the really far right, and the really crazy far right. Among this last group, you have those who think the Palestinians should all be exported to Bulgaria. Why Bulgaria? Seriously when you’re that crazy you don’t need a reason. Anyway it’s surprising how the nutcases the world over think alike. They see a problem, usually somebody else, there solution is to cut it out. Naturally, they always assume they will be the cutters and not the cuttees.
Kinda like the top hits on Conservapedia, no?
TSF
One of my acquaintances set the standard for gay adoption in the SCOTUS. Here’s a link. Should think you should fold them into your political force, given what they did.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f.....gewanted=2
Don’t all Hughes belong in Hughoslavia? *g*
Perhaps Mister Craig has something to worry about.
Maybe we could find a place to put them all together and have them raptured at the same time.
Actually, the way the economy’s going, Bulgaria is starting to sound pretty good.
And we need to help him toe the wingnut line. Let’s not leave it up to the reich-wing.
Take a stand, Senator McCain: federalism for marriage equality, or export the gays. Which will you do?
Do we have any examples yet of Americans being “disappeared”? I know that our brown skinned brothers and sisters get disappeared to Hutto or Guantanamo, depending on their leanings. Has anybody heard of blue-eyed, blond haired Americans getting knocks on the door, or do they just ground us at airports?
‘zackly
G’night.
I’m glad I didn’t have any coffee in my mouth when I read that. My laptop’s already on shaky ground.
A wonderful story, thanks for sharing that.
sleep well ecahn.
hiya newt
Yes, and we all drive Hugos and lived happily together until the great civil war over whether the “gh” should be pronounced or not.
just like all gordons belong in gordonmistan? greenwarriors in greenwarrundia?
Why would anyone care about gays?
My guess is that sexuality is so deeply embedded in the brain (down very close to those parts that control breathing, the nervous system, etc.) that something about it just truly terrifies these people. Of course I am not justifying the fear, just looking for an explanation.
Of course this same reality gives a compelling case for homosexuality being every bit as normal, natural and genetically based as heterosexuality.
Met a real estate agent this weekend with your first name and the last name Groocock.
Who would do that to a child?
Sweet dreams, eCAHN.
Gnight. Sleep well and thanks for the Susan Love story.
ROTFLMAO.
Why would anyone care about gays?
For the same reason anyone would care for heterosexuals. Simply because they are people.
ARe those the French Hughornots?
or old American’s who might in the future be called The Radical Extra Special Extra Nimble Grey Panthers.
Hey Teddy!
Sorry to go off topic, sorta, but Jim Martin announced earlier this week that he will run for Senate against the odious Saxby Chamberpot. Another Dem contender is Vernon Jones, who hearts Bush.
Jim Martin embraces diversity, and was endorsed by 2 gay rights groups in GA, when he was the Dem contender for Lt. Governor in GA. He def. supports civil unions, which would be a huge step forward in GA. I went to a local Dem meeting where Martin spoke, and my report is here:
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo.....bliss.html
Hardly seems like something worth making a hugh and cry about…
“…we believe homosexuality is destructive to society.”
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Believe whatever the fuck you want, dipwad, however moronically baseless. Acting on such idiocy is entirely another matter.
Of course, cowards like Sprigg would invariably opt to have others do the actual expulsion dirty work.
Be assured that I will defend gordonmistan against all those filthy greenwarrundians seeking our jobs. Oh sh*t, now I need a flag, don’t I?
Using our taxpayer dollars, no doubt.
could it be related to insecurity about gender roles?
and of course there is the always important value that we must hate people who are “different” (whatever that means, i haven’t figured it out yet).
Where is Punaise when we really need him?
Yeah, but it’s just so much hot air.
I was looking on the list you put up Teddy from those folks and don’t see anything condemming the use of prostitues in New Orleans or Washington DC. Do you think it just slipped their minds or what?
Of course, cowards like Sprigg would invariably opt to have others do the actual expulsion dirty work.
Of course. Just as bush sends men and women to fight in war but when it was his turn he had better things to do such as drink and drug.
you don’t have a flag? that means you’re not wearing it on your lapel - horrors!
Did the man really talk about forced exporting of gays, or did he just mean that if America won’t recognize gay couples, then the couples will be forced to live in the gay marriage or civil union recognizing country (eg Canada, Spain, Scandinavia) and he’d rather see the American gays leaving rather than bring foreign gays in?
His attitude sux, but this kind of forced hysteria will discredit you more than him in the eyes of Het America. Pull yourself together, Mary.
Punaise is a good man but not easily compromised. If you want to know my real opinion on this email me at mary at dathothouse.com
perhaps he has no lapels. i’m in a turtle-neck here.
To hell with 4,000 dead Americans. Karl Rove has an iphone that he’s loaded with 3,500 phone numbers and can use it to check the temperature at his house in Florida and his house in Washington.
Life’s great.
-G
Um, what’s a lapel?
707!
I hope his people don’t notice. They might call him ungordonmistanotic.
Not pajamas? how unlike the stereotypical foul-mouthed fem blogger.
lmao!
Heh, I was wondering what happened to Charlie Rose…!
give me half an hour or so …
my theory is.. 1. because most of the loudest of them ARE gay, and it terrifies them. and 2. because gays do not procreate - and as we all know, that’s the ONLY reason for living - procreate and indoctrinate more to the flock.
Speaking of blogging, or what passes for it in my life, news just posted: Reality Based News Feed
“We believe that homosexuality is destructive to society.”
Have they ever explained how?
We prefer the term “ungordonmistianical”.
uh, i don’t think that’s true.
His black eye ya mean? He was walking down the street in NYC and tripped.
He had to decide if he wanted to save his face or his new really skinny imac.
I stand corrected.
Did you notice how he uses the words “export” and “import”? Kinda de-humanizes his targets of hate. Humans either immigrate or emmigrate, they’re not imports or exports.
Same kinda crap that irked me when “Personnel” departments became “Human Resources”. I’m a person, not friggin resource!
Bigots are never confused with facts. They don’t need them.
Well if I had the choice between a new MacBook Air and his face…
export? what happened to deport?
At least you aren’t called a “unit” - that will be next, I’m sure.
A prayer for their souls and fo their families.
From MSNBC:
You know, this is the second post in a row of mine in which I’ve been accused of being hysterical. From now on, I am officially viewing “hysteria” as a sexist, homophobic charge.
And requesting the moderators to deal with it just as they do any other sexist homophobic charge from commenters.
If you’ve any doubts, look up the etymology of “hysteria.” It’s pretty damning.
I had wondered if had been mugged or something when I saw him Fri. nite…!
‘cuz they do all this icky stuff in bed, I guess. For cats like Sprigg, it just grosses them out.
Me, a lifelong hetero dude faithfully with the same woman for 34 years, I could give a flip about how others get off. I could not be more indifferent to others’ sexual preferences. And, in the aggregate, the gay and lesbian people I know all seem to be a lot more stable and productive than I lot of my hetero friends.
I suppose he didn’t choose that word because we’re getting pretty close to Naziland at that point.
Hey Jacqrat- great to see you. I failed the procreation test too, even tho I’m straight. fwiw. xxoo VG
If you’re not reproducing, where you gonna get all the fresh soldiers for the 100 year war?
Hysteria, histrionic, hysterectomy. Yes, it is the same root and it is sexist.
Viewing humans as commodities, he would probably consider boxcars a suitable means of transport.
You got it, Teddy.
That surge has certainly been a resounding success, eh?
That is completely different.
Good point.
Ouch. But that is where this kind of hatred goes.
I am personally against gay exportation. It would seriously de-populate FDL of commentators.
Who was that masked man?
Teddy- thanks. You are so correct, and not that H word. Good call.
Suzanne around this eve?
Chill, everybody.
Oh come now. The liberals are always saying that we import too much and export too little.
uh, did you forget to add the snark tag on that one?
Q: Does Ellen Degeneres get to stay?
Suzanne has this evening off. Practicing her dives, no doubt.
That’s what makes these people scary instead of just laughable.
Suz been training you, Teddy? Good call.
Jeez, and people get excited about Rev Wright!
But, but, but he’s extreeeeem.
Not to mention the loss of lots of art, architecture, music, writing, science. Hmmm. sounds like the brain drain that happened in another country about 70 or so years ago.