The Family Research Council’s vice president for policy removed his good-manners mask to reveal the hidden hate agenda of the far-right American talibangelicals {hat tip Pam’s House Blend}.
We who warn stridently that the right-wing’s private army squads might sometime come for any of us in the night are often mocked: "That can’t happen here!" Somehow, we are reassured, American values wouldn’t allow it.
But who defends values loudest in America? Who do the media go to when looking for values validation? Who does the White House invite in for chats? Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council.
His ayatollah for policy, Peter Sprigg, makes very clear in the interview above, yes: it can happen here. And these folks — not a group on the margins, but deeply embedded at the White House and in the GOP — want the gays gone from America. Speaking about the Uniting American Families Act, which would require our Federal government to treat couples the same for immigration purposes regardless of their gender, Sprigg had this to say:
I would much prefer to export homosexuals from the United States than to import them into the United States because we believe homosexuality is destructive to society.
This man advocates the forced expulsion, or deportation, of American citizens based on our sexual orientation.
Family Research Council is currently pressing John McCain to clarify his views on the sanctity of heterosexual marriage:
McCain was asked to be more clear and firm on whether he supported the GOP’s platform supporting an amendment to the U.S. constitution that would define marriage as between one man and one woman.
Although McCain said he did support the GOP’s position on marriage on Fox News’ “Hannity and Colmes” last week, amendment supporters question his sincerity when he spoke about taking a federalist approach to the issue in which each state would set up its own legal definition of marriage.
"Last Thursday night, Senator McCain tepidly endorsed the GOP’s platform concerning the protection of life and the preservation of marriage,” said Connie Mackey, Family Research Council Action’s senior vice president, in a statement.
“His response to this question as well as his federalist position regarding the definition of marriage leads one to believe that his endorsement is not definitive.”
So, St John? What’s your pleasure? Forced exportation of gays? Federalism on marriage equality? Somewhere in between, unlikely to please anyone? We’d all like a helping of clear-and-firm, please. Exactly where do you stand, Senator?
Tony Perkins of the Christian political advocacy group the Family Research Council (www.frc.org) wrote, “To succeed in his bid for the White House, McCain must consolidate his support among conservatives which will not happen just because he is the Republican nominee. In the wake of … Republican scandals … and … failure to advance … the social conservative agenda … support for the GOP has diminished.”
If the "McCain can do no wrong" media asks him any questions on this, color me surprised. Here’s how to do it, though. Four words, very easy soundbite:
Forced Export of Gays, Senator McCain: Yes or No?
Will anyone in the media stand up and abandon a so-far flawless audition for LapDogs Two: The McCain Years?
{youtube from rightwingwatch.org}
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Oy. My best friends & relatives are gay.
Jeez, and people get excited about Rev Wright!
“We who warn stridently that the right-wing’s private army squads might sometime come for any of us in the night”
Ron asked me last night, “What would you do if the knock on the door came to be? Would you fight” Would you run? Would you go quietly?” I said that the time to fight would be much sooner that that.
Evening Teddy. Do you at least get a choice as to where they export you to? Maybe some peace-loving country that’s not half theocracy?
hello, GordonM!
hiya mary.
yes, eCAHN — and how shall we respond on behalf of our friends and loved ones?
I love Rev. Wright.
Great post, Teddy. Don’t these nuts have anything to talk about except gays? It’s not like we don’t have any problems in this country. They need to get a life and leave the rest of us alone. They make me ill.
Hey Teddiroonie.
Lots of wishful talk at Pam’s about Holland or Belgium. I don’t think they’d actually export us; camps like Hutto will do.
These nutjobs don’t even bother with the white sheets. I just hope the Rethugs keep embracing them. They deserve each other.
Yeah, I don’t get it. I’m as white as they come (oops, not quite, I’m 31/32nds white), and I think the dude is fantastic.
Hiya Teddy! Is the Family Research Council affiliated with the Moonies? Is Tony Perkins? I’m seeing him behind every Bush lately and I’m spooked by it.
So, TSF, I haven’t followed the “gay” posts, but I have thought about the issue a lot. Why would anyone care about gays? If you had to select a group, that, as a group, never did any harm to anyone, gays might be the only one you could find. (Which is not to say that individuals gays fall on the same “normal” distribution that all human beings fall on.) The only A that I have thought of is: Because they can. Gays are a group that is still easy to villify, in some part because they rarely fight back. That would be my policy recommendation, preparing all the while for blowback (pun intended).
Ya big silly! You probably put his words in context and actually think about what he’s saying. Of course you don’t get it! ;^)
John McCain supports the torture of human beings by the United States of America.
Given his apparent support for the Anti-Gay Agenda, we must wonder who he has in mind to be tortured.
Weren’t these guys supposed to have raptured by now? How long do loonies need before people stop believing this crap?
Ha. Anticipated your Q in my 15. But talk to me about reactions to different strategies the communty has tried. My wonder gay friends by-in-large have not been activists but have tried to find a way to live the kinds of lives they want within the prevailing attitude.
What are the odds Sprigg is in the closet? He doth protest…
Hey, has anybody seen Busted today? His niece is in the green zone, and he was really worried last night.
Check out FRC’s Policy Areas website here.
Areas listed first, under Human Sexuality, are:
Yes, I would say they are wee bit obsessed.
My gaydard went up when I saw/heard Perkins.
Yeah. Silly me. Always reading the whole speech instead of being satisfied with the soundbites.
(Jeez, between eCAHN’s “blowback” and my “soundbites”, my guys are in real trouble here).
They are a pretty much “below-the-waist” gang.
Hi Teddy!
good grief *sigh*
I can’t find much he’s saying that I haven’t said myself. And what I haven’t said I pretty much agree with. Go Rev Right (sic).
My sister’s been a Jehovah’s Witness for 35+years. In about 1972, she told me that if the rapture didn’t come that year, she’d drop the religion…
If the right-wind loonies had any sense, they would stop trying to force McCain to go on record in support of all of their farthest out radical fringe policy positions and would allow him to try to pass himself off as some kind of moderate in order to increase his chances of getting elected.
Perhaps they are doing us a service by making him toe the wingnut line.
In Israel, you have the right, the far right (Likud), the really far right, and the really crazy far right. Among this last group, you have those who think the Palestinians should all be exported to Bulgaria. Why Bulgaria? Seriously when you’re that crazy you don’t need a reason. Anyway it’s surprising how the nutcases the world over think alike. They see a problem, usually somebody else, there solution is to cut it out. Naturally, they always assume they will be the cutters and not the cuttees.
Kinda like the top hits on Conservapedia, no?
TSF
One of my acquaintances set the standard for gay adoption in the SCOTUS. Here’s a link. Should think you should fold them into your political force, given what they did.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f…..gewanted=2
Don’t all Hughes belong in Hughoslavia? *g*
Perhaps Mister Craig has something to worry about.
Maybe we could find a place to put them all together and have them raptured at the same time.
Actually, the way the economy’s going, Bulgaria is starting to sound pretty good.
And we need to help him toe the wingnut line. Let’s not leave it up to the reich-wing.
Take a stand, Senator McCain: federalism for marriage equality, or export the gays. Which will you do?
Do we have any examples yet of Americans being “disappeared”? I know that our brown skinned brothers and sisters get disappeared to Hutto or Guantanamo, depending on their leanings. Has anybody heard of blue-eyed, blond haired Americans getting knocks on the door, or do they just ground us at airports?
‘zackly
G’night.
I’m glad I didn’t have any coffee in my mouth when I read that. My laptop’s already on shaky ground.
A wonderful story, thanks for sharing that.
sleep well ecahn.
hiya newt
Yes, and we all drive Hugos and lived happily together until the great civil war over whether the “gh” should be pronounced or not.
just like all gordons belong in gordonmistan? greenwarriors in greenwarrundia?
Why would anyone care about gays?
My guess is that sexuality is so deeply embedded in the brain (down very close to those parts that control breathing, the nervous system, etc.) that something about it just truly terrifies these people. Of course I am not justifying the fear, just looking for an explanation.
Of course this same reality gives a compelling case for homosexuality being every bit as normal, natural and genetically based as heterosexuality.
Met a real estate agent this weekend with your first name and the last name Groocock.
Who would do that to a child?
Sweet dreams, eCAHN.
Gnight. Sleep well and thanks for the Susan Love story.
ROTFLMAO.
Why would anyone care about gays?
For the same reason anyone would care for heterosexuals. Simply because they are people.
ARe those the French Hughornots?
or old American’s who might in the future be called The Radical Extra Special Extra Nimble Grey Panthers.
Hey Teddy!
Sorry to go off topic, sorta, but Jim Martin announced earlier this week that he will run for Senate against the odious Saxby Chamberpot. Another Dem contender is Vernon Jones, who hearts Bush.
Jim Martin embraces diversity, and was endorsed by 2 gay rights groups in GA, when he was the Dem contender for Lt. Governor in GA. He def. supports civil unions, which would be a huge step forward in GA. I went to a local Dem meeting where Martin spoke, and my report is here:
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..bliss.html
Hardly seems like something worth making a hugh and cry about…
“…we believe homosexuality is destructive to society.”
_____
Believe whatever the fuck you want, dipwad, however moronically baseless. Acting on such idiocy is entirely another matter.
Of course, cowards like Sprigg would invariably opt to have others do the actual expulsion dirty work.
Be assured that I will defend gordonmistan against all those filthy greenwarrundians seeking our jobs. Oh sh*t, now I need a flag, don’t I?
Using our taxpayer dollars, no doubt.
could it be related to insecurity about gender roles?
and of course there is the always important value that we must hate people who are “different” (whatever that means, i haven’t figured it out yet).
Where is Punaise when we really need him?
Yeah, but it’s just so much hot air.
I was looking on the list you put up Teddy from those folks and don’t see anything condemming the use of prostitues in New Orleans or Washington DC. Do you think it just slipped their minds or what?
Of course, cowards like Sprigg would invariably opt to have others do the actual expulsion dirty work.
Of course. Just as bush sends men and women to fight in war but when it was his turn he had better things to do such as drink and drug.
you don’t have a flag? that means you’re not wearing it on your lapel – horrors!
Did the man really talk about forced exporting of gays, or did he just mean that if America won’t recognize gay couples, then the couples will be forced to live in the gay marriage or civil union recognizing country (eg Canada, Spain, Scandinavia) and he’d rather see the American gays leaving rather than bring foreign gays in?
His attitude sux, but this kind of forced hysteria will discredit you more than him in the eyes of Het America. Pull yourself together, Mary.
Punaise is a good man but not easily compromised. If you want to know my real opinion on this email me at mary at dathothouse.com
perhaps he has no lapels. i’m in a turtle-neck here.
To hell with 4,000 dead Americans. Karl Rove has an iphone that he’s loaded with 3,500 phone numbers and can use it to check the temperature at his house in Florida and his house in Washington.
Life’s great.
-G
Um, what’s a lapel?
707!
I hope his people don’t notice. They might call him ungordonmistanotic.
Not pajamas? how unlike the stereotypical foul-mouthed fem blogger.
lmao!
Heh, I was wondering what happened to Charlie Rose…!
give me half an hour or so …
my theory is.. 1. because most of the loudest of them ARE gay, and it terrifies them. and 2. because gays do not procreate – and as we all know, that’s the ONLY reason for living – procreate and indoctrinate more to the flock.
Speaking of blogging, or what passes for it in my life, news just posted: Reality Based News Feed
“We believe that homosexuality is destructive to society.”
Have they ever explained how?
We prefer the term “ungordonmistianical”.
uh, i don’t think that’s true.
His black eye ya mean? He was walking down the street in NYC and tripped.
He had to decide if he wanted to save his face or his new really skinny imac.
I stand corrected.
Did you notice how he uses the words “export” and “import”? Kinda de-humanizes his targets of hate. Humans either immigrate or emmigrate, they’re not imports or exports.
Same kinda crap that irked me when “Personnel” departments became “Human Resources”. I’m a person, not friggin resource!
Bigots are never confused with facts. They don’t need them.
Well if I had the choice between a new MacBook Air and his face…
export? what happened to deport?
At least you aren’t called a “unit” – that will be next, I’m sure.
A prayer for their souls and fo their families.
From MSNBC:
You know, this is the second post in a row of mine in which I’ve been accused of being hysterical. From now on, I am officially viewing “hysteria” as a sexist, homophobic charge.
And requesting the moderators to deal with it just as they do any other sexist homophobic charge from commenters.
If you’ve any doubts, look up the etymology of “hysteria.” It’s pretty damning.
I had wondered if had been mugged or something when I saw him Fri. nite…!
‘cuz they do all this icky stuff in bed, I guess. For cats like Sprigg, it just grosses them out.
Me, a lifelong hetero dude faithfully with the same woman for 34 years, I could give a flip about how others get off. I could not be more indifferent to others’ sexual preferences. And, in the aggregate, the gay and lesbian people I know all seem to be a lot more stable and productive than I lot of my hetero friends.
I suppose he didn’t choose that word because we’re getting pretty close to Naziland at that point.
Hey Jacqrat- great to see you. I failed the procreation test too, even tho I’m straight. fwiw. xxoo VG
If you’re not reproducing, where you gonna get all the fresh soldiers for the 100 year war?
Hysteria, histrionic, hysterectomy. Yes, it is the same root and it is sexist.
Viewing humans as commodities, he would probably consider boxcars a suitable means of transport.
You got it, Teddy.
That surge has certainly been a resounding success, eh?
That is completely different.
Good point.
Ouch. But that is where this kind of hatred goes.
I am personally against gay exportation. It would seriously de-populate FDL of commentators.
Who was that masked man?
Teddy- thanks. You are so correct, and not that H word. Good call.
Suzanne around this eve?
Chill, everybody.
Oh come now. The liberals are always saying that we import too much and export too little.
uh, did you forget to add the snark tag on that one?
Q: Does Ellen Degeneres get to stay?
Suzanne has this evening off. Practicing her dives, no doubt.
That’s what makes these people scary instead of just laughable.
Suz been training you, Teddy? Good call.
Jeez, and people get excited about Rev Wright!
But, but, but he’s extreeeeem.
Not to mention the loss of lots of art, architecture, music, writing, science. Hmmm. sounds like the brain drain that happened in another country about 70 or so years ago.
I didn’t say it was TRUE! sorry I meant that they THINK that, not that it has any basis in reality. . . you do remember who we’re talkin’ bout , yes?
I’m straight and i haven’t procreated yet either. Despite all those nasty little pressures that women get to do it ASAP in US society. I wonder if i’d be shipped out for having a disease which makes it difficult to conceive in the first place? It’s a ‘difference’ after all.
Only if she goes to Gay Rehab and rejects and denounces her sexual preference.
Don’t forget interior decorating.
This is what’s so funny though — it’s clearly not that he’s extreme, even in his sermon on 9/16/01 when he “blamed America” for the attacks we had just endured. Both Falwell and Robertson had said exactly the same thing.
It’s not that Wright’s extreme. It’s that he’s African-American.
But you knew that.
and if she continues to make cash for the powers that be.
Using “hysterical” and calling Teddy “Mary” all in the same paragraph hardly works out too well.
I’m sure the Family Research Council has a very long list of the types of people they want to export.
OT: I can’t get that “it’s raining McCain” song out of my head!
this conversation reminds me of a book i read about 20 years ago – “Dirt, Greed and Sex” (the subtitle is not nearly so much fun, “Sexual Ethics in the New Testament and Their Implications.”
as i recall, the author made the case that the problem fundamentalists have with sex has to do with old values of property rights, women and children are property to be owned by men, (greed) and with old concepts of purity (dirt)… being confused with sexual ethics.
having spent far too much time in fundamentalists churches, i thought his thesis made good sense.
Thanks, LurMod.
No, these cats are just laughable. There’s lots scarier peeps to be concerned with. Not that you don’t have to forcefully rebut these homophobe asshats, only that they are full of shit.
One of the other problems that our “friends” need to tackle is that women should not get educations or work outside the home. That takes energy and other vital juices away from the womb. That is what my 19th Century text books told me.
you are, of course, quite correct. thank you.
Snarky? Me? oh never!
I may never forgive Matt Yglesias for that one. Atrios too.
What an unholy untalented mashup that was.
It’s been happening on a low key basis for at least 20 years, Gnome. It’s just gotten worse since the Shrub took over and made it even more hostile to intellectuals of all stripes.
We have a good chance of rebuilding once he’s out of office and if we can pick up the pieces. But it’ll be hard since a lot of that talent is already gone, that could help with those long term plans. It’s a generational work, no doubt about it. So i’m hoping eventually we’ll attract good talent again, eventually.
I left that out because I didn’t want to typecast . . .
me three.
Better research carefully. I’ve been hearing off and on that there’s a real estate boom in Bulgaria which is largely a spillover from elsewhere in Europe, and as you know those can end badly.
Teddy, Better that than with the last name Jorgan.
Doh!
Now that we are in comment 130+, I guess I can mention that I am sure people found Hitler’s notions laughable and not scary.
It’s only scary just when it stops being laughable, and that transition happens very very quickly in any culture when it happens, I think.
“They wanted me to go to gay-rehab, but I said, ‘No, no, no!’”
This is sad and it makes you angry: A Boy the Bullies Love to Beat Up, Repeatedly
The Family Research Council can suck on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynYOHw23o6M
Was it the gals with the umbrellas? I saw it on Huffpo and passed for days thinking it was for real.
He emails BillO quite frequently, I’ve heard, and BillO’s not yet caught on.
Yeah. I’d be a heretic in every possible way in that time period. Mixed race, female, and smart! Even without the books i have a feeling the intelligence i have would be with me. You’d think we’d be long past this by now, wouldn’t we?
I thought you could just go to church to be “healed” from being gay.
So, do I take from that an accusation that I would have found Hitler laughable and blown off his menace?
Add in a right-wing Supreme Court and some Constitution shredding and it’s not so far to get to where we thought we’d never go.
or maybe the humor helps us cope with the scary stuff?
We are already where I thought we’d never go.
I want a body like RuPaul’s.
Mukasey on FISA (h/t TPM):
To protect themselves from civil suits, cooperating telcos commonly insist on and are granted indemnification guarantees, which they surely did in this case. And, to protect themselves from criminal charges, the telcos can present exculpatory evidence to the judges, in camera. But ruling on guilt or innocence ought to be done in court, not in congress.
If Lincoln could suspend Habeus and FDR could intern the Nissei(which the S. Court upheld!) it wouldn’t be that far off…!
LOL
I think Ru Paul is just Mr Sprigg’s type.
It’s all about discovery. The Bush Administration cannot accept a bill without telecom immunity because that would allow us to find out what all they have been up to.
Great article, eCahn. Her patients are lucky to have her.
Heavens to Mercatroid. Those parents need the right lawyer. Awful.
well, if that were really true – would these bible-thumpers be so caught up in their twisted knickers?
Ding, ding, ding.
No.
I read this and was immediately reminded of a story I heard Molly Ivins tell on the radio — fortunately, she used it in a column as well:
what did i walk in on? *g*
The bible thumpers do believe that. Their knickers are twisted because in their mind the only way for these people to get healed would be to go to church and confess their “sin”.
and give money to the church, of course.
Thanks, akaEloise, for that great story. I’m humbled a story I wrote up inspired you to think of the great Molly, who is a saint around these parts.
And welcome!
Actually, I think the point Teddy’s trying to make is that many good people discounted Hitler, until it was too late…!
It’s not “immunity for telecoms” it’s “immunity for Addington, Cheney, and Bush.”
great story
oh, details, details!
In the words of Beldar (conehead), I’m already a parental unit.
That’s a great find.
And welcome, akaEloise!
yes… but i just wanted to point out that making jokes here does not necessarily mean we don’t take it seriously.
This Hitler straw man actually gets tiresome in the context of bullshit blowhards like Sprigg. AGAIN, not that you just discount these clowns, you get right back in their faces relentlessly.
True! I was just trying to clarify it…! 8-)
Eggsactly, something the good Germans failed to do..!
Shamefully, the Washington Post has put its death-toll-hits-4000 article on page A-9.
It’s not just him, though. The conservative culture has been filled with eliminationist rhetoric for more than a decade and it is growing. We live in a country where the highest ranking Republicans can demonize liberals at will, and no one says anything.
Human beings have been doing wild, crazy, immoral things for tens of thousands of years. But nowadays whenever anything happens, Republicans blame it on liberals, gays, the ACLU, etc. And a heck of a lot of people out there believe it. The German culture decayed in the same way, looking for scapegoats.
And in the absence of this, they will implore the Congress to tattoo.
They know no bounds, now that we’ve let them in this far.
Wish I could say that’s unbelievable.
Teddy, thanks for this post. It scares me. Why does the Family Research Council care so much what other people do? What a toxic group.
wtf? that’s almost walter pincus territory.
Yeah, well, Ellen DeGeneres will never be on Taliban TV, nor would she have had a show on the Hitler Channel had there been one in 30’s Germany. Times are different, way different, and, while bigotry and homophobic outrages remain, we are in a much better position to fight it in this culture. Of course, large scale apathy will allow these morons to make headway. You won’t find me being apathetic. Neither will I be crying “imminent doom” on this topic. It’s well down the pareto list for me.
The only thing that keeps their base together is fear. So there must be someone or something to fear and the money rolls in because the base wants protection from the “other.” And the leaders promise to pray it away.
Selise, I wonder what a graph of “Picus territory” versus “Judith Miller territory” would look like.
And one that showed how far back in the newspaper one’s story was=how factually correct it was (with some exceptions).
I read where Bush has to have Telcom immunity because he was wiretapping before 9/11 and he could be in legal trouble. The immunity is more for him than the Telcoms.
What scares the bejeesus out of me is the COG and Directive 51, which could be implemented with an economic collapse as a trigger mechanism…! 8-(
Yes.
We can only dream of the day when we return to the rule of law and the chief lawbreakers of this regime are tried and punished for these past seven years of total disaster.
I’ll try again! I just got a 501 error trying to post a comment.
I take how far we’ve gone down the rabbit hole in this country very seriously. My fascdar has been activated for some time now.
That said, I’m one tired puppy and am voluntarily exporting myself to the happy kingdom of Inner Bedistan, a place where bloggers in pajamas are always welcome whatever stripe they come in.
Look, I agree that “eliminationist rhetoric” abounds. Two words spring immediately to mind: Ann Coulter.
You push back. Forcefully, relentlessly, loudly, but rationally. I stand by my assessment that our big-name screeching wingnut blowhards are all full of shit. A bunch of comfy narcissistic rhetorical shit-stirrers simply out to milk the market. Sure, they’d love for others to commit atrocities under their approving gaze, but they uniformly lack the balls of peeps like the Taliban.
lol. let’s see…. i’d guess something like a1 (nyt) vs a16 (wapo)
I love it! I think I need to retire to Inner Bedistan as well. I hear they are have quite a run on real estate there, and it is not a bubble!
Aloha, GW!
sleep well Gnome, GW.
The 4,000 dead Americans was the first thing I saw when checking my Time Warner email. Let’s see, we’ve spent 4,000 soldiers, maimed 35,000 and spent $500 billion to show Osama bin Laden a thing or two. Not to mention the Iraqi death and destruction. How do really serious people think McCain can win?
If I were ChimpCo, I would be getting pretty nervous. I have no idea if the House will hold firm on immunity, but if the administration thinks there is a chance of it, they will be looking for some chips to bargain away.
Like stem-cell research.
Or actuarial soundness of social security.
Or earmarks.
Followed by signing statements. And the current crew “in charge” of the legislature will take their eyes off the prize, and swallow it whole.
We need to be writing letters again.
“No one every went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.”
- Mencken
I thought we would have reached the tipping point at 3000 deaths and that people and the Congress would really start yelling. Are we there yet?
LOL!
gmrmph (thats Inner Bedistan for goodnight to you too)
And what can possibly be the fear? (The congregation has had wet dreams about someone of the same sex.)
I never thought bush could get re-elected.
when it’s 72pt type at the top of page A1, we’ll be there.
Practically the entire media-entertainment complex is in bed with him, for one thing.
Have you heard any commentators or analysts even question his London fundraiser? Don’t you think Americans might like to know who a presidential candidate is raising money from abroad? Isn’t it a little unseemly, considering he’s a campaign finance criminal already?
Let alone his serial errors about who we’re fighting, and who is allied with whom.
The media has crafted an image of McCain, and they cannot undo it without undoing themselves in the eyes of Americans. If he’s not the war-hero maverick, but is instead a warmongering moonpie, and the American people find that out — won’t they all stop trusting the media? Just like we have?
Can’t have that. TradMed’s reputation is tied to McCain’s. That’s why his is safe.
probably but I can’t make sense of it no matter how I try. some things alarm me but not other people.
I hope, perhaps in vain, that Speaker Pelosi returns to DeeCee somewhat bucked-up by her visit with the Dalai Lama. All that talk of human rights might stick to her shoe on the return flight.
The House has held, Newt, it’s now in the Senate, they can only take it or leave it… A whole new bill would have to be drawn up and sent to the House…!
arriving late, again, i’m the new epu….
teddy, i would never describe you as ’hysterical’, quite the oppostie. i’ve know many gays, and my dear, you don’t qualify as hysterical.
beerfart, millenmhatman, sue, masaccio, otherthanwa…anyone else?//i was overwhelmed, i’m on dialup…left you responses in the mccain as a criminal thread.
and i hafta say, i finally did myself proud in the last thread, finally expressing my heart, so, if you’re so inclined, go read what i wrote. i’m proud of it, pups, really i am…..anyone who loves me, go read them, it’s what matters……….been around here a long time, but if i have to tag comments that i have made, it would be in the last thread.
=========
and to the gay policy-teddy honey, you’re in great company, but you already knew that, but to add to the people you can count on, me, and my clan……
step-sister, same partner since college, two children with partner, ai, together over 25 years. copy editor at newport news newspaper, awards.
step-brother-same partner since college, over 25 years. teaches at emory university.partner is an international entertainer. happy as hell.
both gay………
many friends with same partners, in love for many years. gay.
my best friend in high school, gay. dead now, aids, monument for him, bust of elvis erected in his memory in the marketplace where he sold his wild painted furniture, after a career in the banking industry.
another best friend in high school doing stained glass, famous for it, turning her back on a family fortune, family disowned her over her ’gayness’………
and you can bet that knowing them influence my every step.
love to ya teddy………..we won’t let you down when assholes like mccain enter our atmosphere.
our very presence will strike ’em down…………always has, always will.
Correct.
But my trust in Reyes is razor-thin, and Pelosi-Hoyer… well, not even that firm.
No. That’s when the right wingers start complaining about the liberal media again.
Hi Dmac,
Hi Christine if you’re here;)
Yes, but Teddy. If Clinton would give it up and we had a candidate, we could fight with both fists. I love the way Obama is treating FOX news (as they so well deserve), and I love the way he holds off on interviews in general. When Obama Speaks, People Listen.
hiya dmac!
TexB
I saw your pics at the other place. You are a sweetheart!!!
um, did I miss a change of allegiance on your part?
I think the momentum that Shrub had in steamrolling it is gone, and the fear hysteria has abated and the people are on to his game…!
thanks Felix.
and just having caught up with comments; all Felixs’ will be exported to Moronia!
LooHoo, are you coming to the light?
Teddy & mommybrain – we have been propping Loo Hoo for weeks for her clear and conscientious view of the race and the candidates.
She still has it.
Yes, sir. Clintons have been doing everything wrong. Imagine Bill saying that McCain and Hillary are friends and that they’re both prepared as commander in chief. EVERYTHING WRONG. While on the other hand, Obama has been doing everything right. He is brilliant. One hope, though, is that the smear machine doesn’t have something they’re hiding for late October.
I’ll sure vote for Clinton over McCain, but I’ve been mighty pissed off for the last several weeks at Clinton. (And I even sent money after she was broke…)
Thanks, Buddy!
amen. imo, it’s not the choice we make so much as the process we go through to get to that choice. and trying to keep an open mind so that we can take in new data is part of that – i’ll be cheering loo hoo on no matter what choice she makes…. because she is doing it thoughtfully.
teddy gotta lotta love for ya, just stayed silent about it…..lurkin’ in a way, wasn’t the right timing in the threads…..last thread and this one, spoke out about from where i come.
just kinda had to.
there’s a lot of people coverin’ your ass, so, blaze on…………
felix–i left a post about glenwood springs the other night.
dmac, I’m going back to read your comment.
And, thank you, dear selise.
Beautiful, dmac. You speak for me, and I’m sure many others.
My sense is that the hatred of gays is that homosexual behavior is so far from the “biblical” purpose of sex that it shows that sexual activity and be playful… not related to procreation.
Even straights accept the notion of recreational sexual activity, but elevating sex to this role seems to undermine one of the foundation pillars of the religious right which seeks to control the thinking and the behavior of the people.
I’ve never cared about what people do for the sexual thrills and usually I simply don’t want to know about it, since I believe sex is one thing which we should do “in private” and discretely, whatever we do. So I am not a fan of public “sex” and not terribly thrilled with sexuality displays in public either because it seems to be a distraction. Sex has its place but not front and center. There are more important human rights issues we all need to deal with.
Having said that, homosexuals, aside from the sexual activity are no different than the rest. They do their jobs, and love and hate and what’s the big deal. Why should anyone’s sexual activity matter to you whether they are straight, gay, bi kinky, abstinent? Really, who the eff cares?
And just to remind the gay haters, homosexuals have produced some of the greatest art and science which has made the lives of everyone better. Get over it and mind your own business!
So this is the Republikan party. They court the openly genocidal, like Perkins. And republikans scream unfair and wonder why some of us can’t help but use the facist word.
Charlie Crist won’t be deported. He’s got a new beard..
-TeddySanFran , you correctly ask (end line of post):
Will anyone in the media stand up and abandon a so-far flawless audition for LapDogs Two: The McCain Years?
NO !
Unless we force them to notice . I’ve tried to get a political street theater company going here in Boise to elucidate the public on the RePIG Brand but local activists don’t understand the concept yet .
Picture “bush” and “cheney” waltzing thu a lunch-time crowd , trample a (drop-cloth protected) map of Iraq after stepping in red tempura paint , as “John McBush” cuts in and they dance with huge galoshes on (to protect the pavement and denote “media protection”) thru the people drawing confused stares then walk with the “red shoes” on pictures of abstract children to symbolize the debt and death that Bush!t has imposed on them and McBush will continue. Or sump-in’ like that .
I could envision that a 30-50 city day of street theater pushing our message would HAVE 2 GET MEDIA ATTENTION .
Right ?
Anybody game ?
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