The news of New Mexico governor and long-time Hillary Clinton friend Bill Richardson's endorsement of Barack Obama was officially and cleverly greeted by Clinton campaign adviser Mark Penn with a yawn. But apparently James Carville didn't get the memo:
Mr. Clinton helped elevate Mr. Richardson to the national stage by naming him his energy secretary and ambassador to the United Nations. And Mr. Clinton left no doubt that he viewed Mr. Richardson’s support as important to his wife’s campaign: He even flew to New Mexico to watch the Super Bowl with Mr. Richardson as part of the Clintons’ high-profile courtship of him.
But Mr. Richardson stopped returning Mr. Clinton’s calls days ago, Mr. Clinton’s aides said. And as of Friday, Mr. Richardson said, he had yet to pick up the phone to tell Mr. Clinton of his decision.
The reaction of some of Mr. Clinton’s allies suggests that might have been a wise decision. “An act of betrayal,” said James Carville, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton and a friend of Mr. Clinton.
“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week.
Ooooh, snap!
Frankly, Jimmy, you're a fine one to talk about betrayal, considering that you've been one of the voices leading the rearguard action against Howard Dean's efforts to undo the a) shoving of the party ever further towards Republicanism and b) concentration of power in the hands of a few well-paid DC-based elite consultants like, oh, say, James Carville:
Flush with victory after the election, Rahm’s allies, led by Carville, try to mount a coup at the DNC by publicly attacking Dean and suggesting he be replaced by Harold Ford, a Tennessee moderate who just lost a Senate race. “You can’t go into 2008 having a party chairman that is completely disconnected from the congressional leadership and the campaign committees,” Carville tells me, further pounding the wedge that divides the Deaniacs and the Clintonites. When I ask if Rahm agrees, Carville says, “It’s not any secret that Rahm has expressed disdain for Dean and not very secret that Rahm and I are close. It doesn’t take a lot of dot-connecting here.”
What about the Clintons, who, given Hillary’s presidential ambitions, have more cause for concern about who runs the DNC in 2008? “Let’s just say nobody has called me telling me this is a bad idea. Sometimes silence is eloquence.” Not only did Carville’s coup fail but it arguably strengthened Dean, who, speaking before his state-party allies, mocked the attempt as a desperate attack from the “old Democratic Party.” Cutting his losses, Rahm quickly leaked word to the press that he and Dean had negotiated a truce.
If it's betrayal of Bill and Hillary Clinton that really torques you, where were you when their very good friend Joe Lieberman first stuck a shiv into the backs of the Clintons, back in September of 1998? And what about when, after Bill Clinton stumped for Holy Joe in 2006, Lieberman turned around and endorsed McCain, not Hillary? Where was your scorching condemnation then? Instead of attacking Bill Richardson, you might be better served by minding your own store -- you know, trying to avoid picking up paychecks from right-wing political parties in Latin America, that sort of thing.
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hiya PW!!
zed
missed it by that much.
Carville should lay off the Coke.
Hey PW… I mentioned yesterday I was tweaking an old song, figured this was the thread for it.
Hillary’s new campaign theme song..
Me and John McCain
From “The Nightmare Ticket” files,
(This was too easy…)
-sung slightly flat, in a dull monotone-
Me and John McCain
we’ve got a thing going on.
We all know that it’s wrong,
but it’s much too strong
to let it go now.
We meet every day
at the Senate café
in DC, I know - I know he’ll be there.
Shaking hands - making all kinds of plans
while the media plays our favorite song.
Me and John McCain,– John McCain– John McCain– John McCain
we’ve got a thing going on.
We all know that it’s wrong,
but Obama’s much too strong, can’t just let him win now.
We’ve gotta be extra careful
That they don’t build their hopes up too high.
‘Cause John’s got his own obligations
And so – and so do I…
Me and John McCain,– John McCain– John McCain– John McCain
we’ve got a thing going on.
We all know that it’s wrong,
to string it along,
but I just can’t let it go now.
Well it’s time for us to be leaving
It can’t believe it- it hurts so much deep inside
Now he’ll go his way
And I’ll go mine.
Next session, we’ll meet, the same place – the same time.
Me and John McCain,– John McCain– John McCain– John McCain
we’ve got a thing going on.
We’ve gotta be extra careful.
We can’t let them build their hopes up too high.
Johnny, I wanna meet ya,
and talk with you,
at the same place,
the Senate café,the same time
And we’re gonna shake hands like we talked about,
We’re gonna talk it over, make a deal
We know, they know, and you know and I know that it is wrong
But we’ll make it strong…
We can’t quite let ‘em know yet,
There’s this “thing” going on……thing going on..
I need anger management classes.
concentration of power in the hands of a few well-paid DC-based elite consultants like, oh, say, James Carville:
otoh, hasn’t it been wonderful so far in this campaign season to only very rarely encounter the gruesome visages of Mr. and Mrs (ugh) Carville?
how dare Richardson have an independent thought!
Phoenix Woman!!!
were you lurking in my thread? *g*
Carville makes me ill. Imagine spending your life with Mary? He’s got no principles, and will say or do anything to advance his cause. Really makes me wonder about the Clintons, that they still listen to him.
I didn’t realize this Dean/Emmanuel thing was happening. Off to read some links. Thanks, PW!
If anyone has a complete understanding of Judas, it has to be Carville.
He should probably lay off the high fructose corn syrup products as well. /s
hit submit too fast….
My issue with the judas comment is not so much that he is comparing Richardson to Judas but rather by context, Hillary is Jesus
I’m sure it wasn’t meant but it is over the top (IMO)
*g* truer words have never been said
Carville’s mad because if Richardson is Judas and the campaign gets crucified by his endorsement, then Carville will be out of a job.
The sooner he is not advising Dems the better.
The DLC has no constituency. I think we can destroy them if we can get this message out to the average Democratic voter.
McCain’s campaign song:
“I get my thrill
From Billary Hill….
McCain/ Clintion for President/VP! (Not!)
Carville - HRC
Mary - McCain
Bills remarks about McCain and HRC’s friendship
HRC’s remarks about McCain and their “experience”
Bill’s travels with 41
HRC’s remarks about Bill and 41
Do the math.
Maybe you should try out religion. Some say it’s designed as anger management for the masses. ;~)
Truth is I’ve never been one to be able to listen to Carville. He’s always come across as a lizard and he hasn’t proven me wrong.
I dunno. If you watched De Mille’s “Ten Commandments” last night on ABC, anger ruled!
Why Carville still gets media attention is beyond me. He is a jerk and he and Mary should depart for some secluded place with no connectivity to anything in the real world (or maybe they are almost there already).
Mr. and Mrs. Carville = DNC and GOP
In bed together.
Carville should STFU. Asshole.
the less said about Carville and his wifey Mary Matador…the better…
Third Way
LOL!!!
you musta seen the last thread….
Seconded!
Not last night, but have seen it. Ah, but the anger, it was channeled (managed) in the officially sanctioned way, n’est-ce pas?
If Obama wins the presidency, Carville and Mary are truly going to be out of the mix. They’ll have jobs but probably won’t be invited to the BEST parties.
Mr. and Mrs. Carville =
DNCDLC and GOParrrggghhhhh brain shampoo stat!!!!!!!
yes, guilty of lurking, as charged.
Were the Carvilles married by the True Parents??
There are a LOT of people in this country who need an anger management class…..actually, a four-year degree might be the only cure.
Yes. I know this cause Mr. Carville has a moon head.
Yep. Moses was a god in that presentation. Politically correct god!
Ok. That was tacky.
I just can’t imagine any other way such a thing could happen!
Being an Obama supporter, I hope that Carville gets widely circulated amongst the superdelegates. He probably spoke the mind of the Clintons better than anybody else.
Boxturtle (I’m thinking that he’ll pay a price if Hilary wins)
Hey, kids. Happy Easter to those who celebrate it, and a fine Sunday to those who don’t.
Is it just me, or does Carville seem like a kind of insipid Cajun Lex Luthor?
Grrrr…He meaning Richardson.
Boxturtle (Proofread first, then post)
Just what we need, the Three Amigo K-Street Corporate Prostitutes, Penn and Wolfson and Carville, trying to destroy the Democratic Party. Hopefully, their combined incompetence will not be too damaging.
But let us talk about betrayal of the United States. Carville’s Loyal Bushie Wife, Cruella Deville, catapulted the Iraq War Lies. James and Mary also signed a letter of support for Irving Libby, as part of more Iraq War Coverup and Deception. Also Mark Penn helped betray his country by spreading Iraq War lies, helping Charlie Black and the Lincoln Group.
Bill Richardson also criticizes Penn.
yep.
that was really funny.
He’s a coon-ass joker.
[Mod Note; term is defined in later comment.]
don’t hold back, Raven :)
for the uninitiated
“a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds” Emerson
Well, some here will never be accused of having little minds.
Excellent!
Guess this infighting between Clintonites and Obamaites is gonna keep coming for months…I need to find a good book to read in the meantime- yawn!
thanks for the definition, I was perplexed but found it funny, nonetheless
yep but he ain’t funny.
and a hobgoblin is?
Neither was the joker, it’s another Batman character.
OT: The Surge is working great:
“Baghdad’s heavily fortified “Green Zone” came under heavy rocket or mortar attack on Sunday, and police said up to eight people had been killed by rockets falling short outside the government and diplomatic compound.
The missile attack on the Green Zone came amid an increase in violence in the capital and in the northern city of Mosul, underlining warnings by U.S. military commanders that recent security gains in Iraq are both fragile and reversible.”
http://www.rawstory.com/news/m.....32008.html
An un-serious goblin? Or is that a hobbygoblin?
This is fascinating to participate in, the inside power structure of Rahm, Lieberman and Carville and the desperate urgency of their attempts at relevancy, and Howard Dean at the DNC assembling a 50-state strategy, encouraging regular folks to show up and be counted. In essence, the message is if you want change, you have to vote for a change.
The left blogosphere, which is growing all the time and adding new tools and voices, are sidestepping CW of inside the beltway pundits (aka “the Villagers”), and piece by piece are electing politicians who actually work for the voters.
Great stuff, and great post, PW!
Actually, I think we need a few of those, we always loose things because we’re nice and the republicans aren’t afraid to be mean, ugly and nasty ….
Sometimes true for blacks as well. I have an acquaintance; a big black man who is an excellent photographer refers to himself as “The Big Nig”.
[Mod Note; let’s be careful where we let this lead the conversation.]
There are bigger issues here. The DLC vs. progressive battle within the Democratic Party is very important.
Mr. and Mrs. Carville = DNC and GOP
In bed together.
gee, thanks for the image, Mary. lol and double-ugh…
But isn’t it MRS Clinton and not MR Clinton who is running for prez?
Maybe the civil war can wait until the party actually WINS something?
I really think Hillary’s team has completely jumped the tracks. Richardson is no Judas, and Hillary is sure as hell no Jesus Christ. Have her people just flat-out lost it?
Mr. and Mrs. Carville =
DNCDLC and GOPI don’t think Dean is active in the DLC
Maybe.
Who knows, the big dog might like skanks like Matlin, after all, she wears a skirt now and then.
Hey, at least no one asked you to imagine them in a three-way with Scooter Libby.
Oops, my bad.
Cassie has a nice video up! LOL Bush is Crazy
un conarse in French means a fucker…interesting if coon-ass actually comes from that…or vice-versa…
I was thinking more with Bill.
I’m leaving that line of investigation to you my brother.
Mr. and Mrs. Carville =
DNCDLC and GOPOk, call me a concern troll.
Sometimes I wonder if HRC’s advisors want her to win the nomination so they can crash her and hand it to McCain. Considering who her advisors are…she’s surrounded by Judases but they are right inside her own campaign. Richardson is not one of them.
You hit my inner child!
awww man…….
that was just cruel. heh.
“I knew Judas well and I can tell you that Bill Richardson is no Judas.” - teh Devil
…the Big Dawg has been making some half-ass comments lately, like saying McCain are Hillary are friends and patriots and would enjoy running against each other. WTF? What’s he been smoking lately? Is going out with that Canadian blonde Betty Stonarch (dead ringer for a younger Hillary) getting to his head?
does SHE wear a skirt?
Well, one big difference between Rs & Ds. No loyalty in the latter.
so right and that is how I see this process overall in the primary..as a battle for the direction of the party (grassroots vs old machine)
don’t be raggin on skirts
If plays to the entitlement theme,that many accuse her of, that is for sure.
Maybe the civil war can wait until the party actually WINS something?
We won both the Senate and the House in 2006. And this battle within the party is important regardless of whether we win the White House or not.
A “civil war” suggests roughly equal combatants on each side. The DLC has no constituency. There is no mass of Democratic voters chanting for more corporate influence in the party.
Just what we need…a whole campaign season of Lieberman-Cheney debates.
I am not, I assure you,
Brilliant!!
Looks like it is Belinda not Betty.
Isn’t that what the primaries are all about?
Stronach.
yep–she’s pretty too and loaded thanks to her papa…who’s a famous Canadian pol…The Big Dawg has been going out with her for a while…well-known secret in the NYC grapevine, which I happen to be tapped into. I happen to know people in high places, in case you haven’t noticed…(Jane’s not the only one who knows everybody…*g*)
Don’t slip up Betsy. Cause if you do you will have to put a sock in it.
That is what I think. In addition to getting more true blue dems in congress.
I don’t get your comment?
….(dead ringer for a younger Hillary)
Paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.
dress, rag, slip, sock.
articles of clothing, perhaps not funny.
she’s also known as Betty..to some of us…*G* honest…So you’ve heard of her too? Interesting…indeed…you’re well-connected as well?
yep–my bad…
Thanks for the explanation.
I still don’t get it…I watched the video Cassie posted and thought the video was brilliant. What does that have to do with clothes?
(Jane’s not the only one who knows everybody…*g*)
Not THAT again!
isn’t the point to find someone that DOESN’T remind you of your spouse?
Nope, the google.
oops. referenced the wrong comment.
I meant this one:
don’t be raggin on skirts #83
sorry.
I told them to stop ragging on skirts in a separate comment.
I like the line. “I’m going to save my self the trouble and just find a woman I don’t like and buy her a house”
Thanks for linky to Cassie’s GWB is crazy post. Made my day and encourage everyone to check it out and DIGG it.
It was me, not them, and I was raggin on that fat fuck Bill Clinton.
*spew* Now that is funny.
so you remember the thread yesterday…when all that was going on…what I didn’t tell selise was that I was in love with Ms. Hamsher…*g*
What is the point of this? To see who can make the most outrageous and devisive comment about the Clintons so as to antagonize their supporters? A group that constitutes slightly half of the damn party.
I think wisdom might lie in cooling your excessive rhetoric. In the end it seems Obama is going to win and then he is going to need every damn Democratic vote and more to win. This kind of mindless crap is not going to be helpful in that regard.
Water moccasin is more like it.
which, BTW, is also a well-known secret around here…*G*
Certainly reveals the character of the commenters, n’est pas?
I never say anything like that about Hillary because everyone would go a crazy about sexism. I have felt that way about both of them for years and I won’t changing my mind anytime soon. As far as their supporters, who cares?
oh, those things are nasty
The polls are now showing that BHO has more dems than HRC.
Most of what I have been reading in the comments concerns Carville and I believe he has left himself open to severe criticism. He is excessive and deserves that type of rhetoric.
whoop tee doo
As I was going through this past week’s mail, there was a letter from Carville soliciting for something. I don’t know for what, because I threw it into the trash without opening it. Screw you, Carville.
So if Obama is the nominee, you’d prefer that the HRC suporters stay home and allow McCain to be elected?
If Obama is going to win the nomination (as it appears), the LAST thing he wants is a divided party when this is all over.
Carville needs to get a ‘grip’.
‘Grips’ may be purchased at stores selling another perenial favorite, the ’round-toit’.
Why, I often find myself in need of one of those second items;
Those occassion occur when I say to myself, ‘I’ll do that, just as soon as I get around to it.’
Actually, Carville might retire to ‘bigger and better’ things, we could help with that ‘retirement’ and probably should … get a round to it.
Like it matters what I prefer or say.
I think both Dem candidates are great candidates. I don’t like the way some of their advisors behave, and I don’t think the advisors have always been helpful to the candidates they support.
And that is your right.
certainly his comments bolster that he is past his ’sell by’ date.
I may not be well connected, but I do know that it was Belinda Stronach who was the politician - Conservative MP, ran for the leadership of the Conservative party, lost, and later crossed the floor to sit with the Liberals. Her father (founder of Magna International) is loaded, that is true, but he is not a politician - ran for the liberals in 1988 and was defeated.
It won’t be divided.
The surge is working:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....mQ6aGs0NUE
I agree with that.
Carville is a cooyon.
Cajun for stupid, dumb, also an educated fool.
Fits, doesn’t it. *g*
Son,
the line forms behind me.
The question of temperment is better directed at senator Clinton than
Carville, he is a known quantity, sharing with his spouse a contempt
for the democracy that has emerged with the Obama campaign. The foul
temperment exhibited by senator Clinton and her unemployed spouse is
the proper topic. Ever sonce she won Texas and Ohio she has been blowing
up in public, communicating her great strength and wisdom for the duties
as POTUS… just what we need, another Nixon with her own fixer husband
trolling the west wing, cuttin’ deals, fixin’ us all up with more NAFTA,
repeal banking laws, more untested drugs released to fatten his portfolio
at our expense. The over the hill, no pun, gang needs to shut up, go
spend some of that money and vacation with the Bushes some more.
I’m going out to ride my bike. Gonna try to miss all of those bunnies crossing the road to delivery eggs.
Me and my man are focused on John McCain.
Lahoma
safe driving Mary. By my understanding, the bunnies came last night, but I am not an expert.
GODDAMN I”M GLAD TO SEE YOUR MUGS!
Hear, hear!!
GREAT smackdown of Mr “Mary McCheney”….James is probably worried that when obama wins the WH he will release all the documents related to the CRIMINALS on the Iraq Study Group and Ol’ Mary will be in very deep doo-doo and deservedly so…….Mary needs to go to jail with the rest of those war criminals.
Please forgive the o/t question:
Is Roll Call a partisan reich wing publication? Watching a panel on C-Span that causes me to ask it.
We can’t criticize Carville or the DLC?
Thanks for bringing up BillC’s support for Lieberman. I’ve been aching to share this link from the past.
Extra points for irony identification. ;)
Which is where it should be, well said. McCain is an idiot. Virulent religious enemies for 13 centuries training together for fratricide. Makes no sense, unless you are a Republican having a “senior moment”. What a slur on seniors! This is just the latest lunacy coming from the “double-talk express”, coming from a guy who started by divorcing his wife to marry the daughter of the richest man in town, a liquor salesman, to finance his 500 year career in politics, culminating in his desire to double the tax cuts to Bear-Stearns and Halliburton. If we can’t beat this asshat we have no business in politics.
((((kiddo & lahoma))))
Hello Raven.
L.
Hi Lahoma, hope ya’ll are well.
That would make you (and myself) a Judas. ;~)
Hello LS.
L.
Carville is not an official part of the campaign, so it really doesn’t matter what he blathers about.
I think the Penn remark about the richardson endorsement being worthless (or words to that effect) are illustrative of how the HRC campaign has been conducted from the start.
Would it not have been better for Penn to say “While we are disappointed that Gov. Richardson endorsed Obama, we respect his decision and honor him as a great American.
Can’t you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar? It’s not brain surgery. It’s just basic PR. Doesn’t he work for a PR firm?
Well, Frankie Lee and Judas Priest, they were the best of friends.
Hello Oilfieldguy.
Lahoma
Even if you are a nasty, vindictive asshole? You being Penn, not you.
Great to ’see’ you back at the lake, Lahoma.
Have missed you and Kiddo very much.
I’ll bet Penn votes for McLobby in November.
Hello DWBartoo.
Lahoma
Good day Biodun, I really enjoyed your previous thread, thanks for that.
Never heard of conarse.
Un con, or the feminine conasse is the first thing that came to my mind when I read Coon-ass. Con or conasse is used daily by most french folks(in France ), it’s a deragotary term to point to someone’s stupidity, dumbness. Jethro Tull used the phrase “Thick as a brick”. So, going back to the cajun reference, I wouldn’t be surprised that coon-ass came from conasse, but used for both sexes. My humble opinion.
Does he mean like how he betrayed Valerie Plame? That kind of betrayal?
Probably just going for connard.
that singer! at 159!
epu’d but—
good to see ya!
hey! how’s the career comin’?
Yes I am, you nailed it. Should sleep more. You are right on the connard.
There is something about moderators lurking about the language spoken or written by more or less consenting adults - I think the lawyers call it a “chilling effect.” If language were so monitored over at UFO Breakfast or Tiny Revolution, and others - well -
Someone should tell Carville that at least Richardson isn’t sleeping with the enemy and divulging info to her like he does. Obama, after all, is one of our own. (You all have no idea how much I used to like Carville, or Bill and Hillary for that matter. But I really did. I just think they’ve played very dirty with this campaign starting with SC, and even more so since TX an OH. Carville, OTOH, gave info to his wife on John Kerry’s campaign by way of saying it wasn’t his idea but they wouldn’t take his advice. She then passed the word up the chain. Stupid, even if it ultimately had not effect. Shows he’s not to be trusted, but then, I don’t think there’s any future threat of that.)
Carville has been sleeping with the enemy for years.
That he is married to Mary Matalin says sooo much about Carville that I’ve ceased to hear anything he has to say for a long time.
Carville, Dick Morris. . . err uhhh.
Since the Scooter trial, I can’t get this picture out of my head. Mary Matalin and Carville as a two-head ssssnake.
All I know is that if Obama is the Dem. Candidate I am voting for McCain. I have come to the decision that it really doesn’t matter about the Supreme Court or anything else that may be of consequence regaridng who is in the White house. I know this…Obama will be the Jimmy Carter of the 21st century as it regards his,Carters,stewardship of country and remember what that got us….8 years of Reagan 4 years of Bush Senior etc.. I like Carter and I think that events ran his presidency. Our margin of error is very small at the moment and all though Mr Obama has lofty thoughts we need some very practical and hard decisions made in the coming years. Mcain may not be the best choice but when it comes to knowing how to navigate the treachery of national politics as well as international politics Obama is going to be bulldozed. He won’t even know what hit him….check out Spitzer.
Bushsucks, well, what other historical events have you predicted correctly? Are you a psychic?
Because, judging by this past week, one of the worst of the campaign for Obama, he came out on top anyway. Never underestimate an exceptional, intelligent man who also has street smarts.
Obama/Webb ‘08