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	<title>Comments on: SF Torches Constitution For Beijing&#8217;s Olympic Commissars</title>
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		<title>By: RBG</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/22/sf-torches-constitution-for-beijings-olympic-commisars/#comment-1353134</link>
		<dc:creator>RBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Happy Easter/Equinox to you too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Easter/Equinox to you too.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeMax</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeMax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Jane and Christy:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How come you pushed TRex out the door because you feared his foul-mouthed commentary will damage Firedoglake’s sterling reputation, but we are still treated to this asshat’s vituperative ranting on a regular basis?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As the displaced threapod himself put it on these very pages:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I want these guys to be able to go forward from here without worrying that something I write, either on the front page or in the comments, is going to cross the line and potentially hurt their reputation or keep them from being able to have more amazing guests like Naomi Klein, Senator Chris Dodd, John Dean, and anyone else who might want to come by.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Et tu, Dr. Murphy?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the record, I generally agree with Murphy’s calling out of the way San Francisco is handling this protest dust-up. But his verbal hemorrhaging makes dear ol’ TRex seem like an Edwardian parlor hostess chatting about the weather while drinking tea from a china cup with his pinky sticking out. (And considering his tiny front paws, that’s quite a trick!)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can’t you find someone who can blog about issues like this and GMOs without sounding like a drunken bicycle punk on a 3-day amphetamine binge? It’s embarrassing. Has he got photographs of the two of you in compromising positions with Rush Limbaugh or something? Because, considering your jettisoning of TRex from Firedoglake, keeping Kirk James Murphy, M.D. on your pages is just a wee bit hypocritical.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And at least TRex was actually funny.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jane and Christy:</p>
<p>How come you pushed TRex out the door because you feared his foul-mouthed commentary will damage Firedoglake’s sterling reputation, but we are still treated to this asshat’s vituperative ranting on a regular basis?</p>
<p>As the displaced threapod himself put it on these very pages:</p>
<p>“I want these guys to be able to go forward from here without worrying that something I write, either on the front page or in the comments, is going to cross the line and potentially hurt their reputation or keep them from being able to have more amazing guests like Naomi Klein, Senator Chris Dodd, John Dean, and anyone else who might want to come by.”</p>
<p>Et tu, Dr. Murphy?</p>
<p>For the record, I generally agree with Murphy’s calling out of the way San Francisco is handling this protest dust-up. But his verbal hemorrhaging makes dear ol’ TRex seem like an Edwardian parlor hostess chatting about the weather while drinking tea from a china cup with his pinky sticking out. (And considering his tiny front paws, that’s quite a trick!)</p>
<p>Can’t you find someone who can blog about issues like this and GMOs without sounding like a drunken bicycle punk on a 3-day amphetamine binge? It’s embarrassing. Has he got photographs of the two of you in compromising positions with Rush Limbaugh or something? Because, considering your jettisoning of TRex from Firedoglake, keeping Kirk James Murphy, M.D. on your pages is just a wee bit hypocritical.</p>
<p>And at least TRex was actually funny.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/22/sf-torches-constitution-for-beijings-olympic-commisars/#comment-1353067</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;kirk-npr did a story on the torch this morning, sunday, on weekend edition–no mention of what is going on in san francisco, about the free-speech zones.  in fact, no mention of where the torch was going to be in our country at all.  and no mention that it was the only place it will be in north america.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they mentioned the possibility of protests along the torch route, but didn’t mention the torch route.&lt;br /&gt;
interviewed a tibetan activist. that was about it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you can listen to it yourself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;am writing them a letter, had to come back here to get a few of your sfchronicle links.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kirk-npr did a story on the torch this morning, sunday, on weekend edition–no mention of what is going on in san francisco, about the free-speech zones.  in fact, no mention of where the torch was going to be in our country at all.  and no mention that it was the only place it will be in north america.</p>
<p>they mentioned the possibility of protests along the torch route, but didn’t mention the torch route.<br />
interviewed a tibetan activist. that was about it.</p>
<p>you can listen to it yourself.</p>
<p>am writing them a letter, had to come back here to get a few of your sfchronicle links.</p>
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		<title>By: shawnfassett</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawnfassett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And to think that Gavin was originally supposed to have that primetime speech spot that Obama took at the ‘04 Convention until Gavin decided gays should marry (but he handled that like a drunken fool and kinda kicked the whole equal rights down the road for somebody else to handle) and had to be taken in the backroom and out of the limelight. What has happened to my city?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to think that Gavin was originally supposed to have that primetime speech spot that Obama took at the ‘04 Convention until Gavin decided gays should marry (but he handled that like a drunken fool and kinda kicked the whole equal rights down the road for somebody else to handle) and had to be taken in the backroom and out of the limelight. What has happened to my city?</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ain’t doublespeak grand? Don’t ya love that term: “free-speech zones”? Doesn’t it give your inner secret policeman a stiffy?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So…we value our free speech so much we’ll cram it away out of earshot to please the world’s largest tyranny, the human flesh merchants who run the tyranny, and the pampered princes of the USOC?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WTF?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Free Speech Zones?  Excuse me.  This is the United States of America.  &lt;strong&gt;The whole fucking  country is a free-speech zone.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ain’t doublespeak grand? Don’t ya love that term: “free-speech zones”? Doesn’t it give your inner secret policeman a stiffy?</p>
<p>So…we value our free speech so much we’ll cram it away out of earshot to please the world’s largest tyranny, the human flesh merchants who run the tyranny, and the pampered princes of the USOC?</p>
<p>WTF?</p>
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<p>Free Speech Zones?  Excuse me.  This is the United States of America.  <strong>The whole fucking  country is a free-speech zone.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: greenwarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;kirk, ygm.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kirk, ygm.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/22/sf-torches-constitution-for-beijings-olympic-commisars/#comment-1352471</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If free speech is protected by confining it to certain places, then why can’t critical voices in the media be officially confined to certain times, channels, or websites, in the name of protecting free speech?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ding!  That’s why fighting this in SF is so important - the symbolism will educate the US public about taking our rights, not politley asking for them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wherevever people are, calling the ACLU / National Lawyers’ Guild / Mara (see above) is so important - asserting our rights throws sand ini the gears of oppression.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amy Goodman’s Democracy Now is another good touchstone - your local free speech zone may or may not get i=on the air, but she and DN are wired into to those who can help.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We - all of us - are Stewards of Freedom.  So long as we act like it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good Stewardship to you all - and Happy Easter to those who clebrate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At this season of renewal, renew our democracy and protect our basic freedom against China’s Communist kidney merchants and the traitors here at home who enable them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Boycott the Blood Olympics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And - if you can - stand up for the Constitution on April 9 in SF.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Won’t you please come out to “frisco”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’ll be waiting for you there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(apologies to Herb Caen and CSNY)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Time for dinner - back later.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Keep up the good fight, pups!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If free speech is protected by confining it to certain places, then why can’t critical voices in the media be officially confined to certain times, channels, or websites, in the name of protecting free speech?</p>
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<p>Ding!  That’s why fighting this in SF is so important &#8211; the symbolism will educate the US public about taking our rights, not politley asking for them.</p>
<p>Wherevever people are, calling the ACLU / National Lawyers’ Guild / Mara (see above) is so important &#8211; asserting our rights throws sand ini the gears of oppression.</p>
<p>Amy Goodman’s Democracy Now is another good touchstone &#8211; your local free speech zone may or may not get i=on the air, but she and DN are wired into to those who can help.</p>
<p>We &#8211; all of us &#8211; are Stewards of Freedom.  So long as we act like it.</p>
<p>Good Stewardship to you all &#8211; and Happy Easter to those who clebrate.</p>
<p>At this season of renewal, renew our democracy and protect our basic freedom against China’s Communist kidney merchants and the traitors here at home who enable them.</p>
<p>Boycott the Blood Olympics.</p>
<p>And &#8211; if you can &#8211; stand up for the Constitution on April 9 in SF.</p>
<p><em>Won’t you please come out to “frisco”</em></p>
<p>We’ll be waiting for you there.</p>
<p>(apologies to Herb Caen and CSNY)</p>
<p>Time for dinner &#8211; back later.</p>
<p>Keep up the good fight, pups!</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well put.  Ultimately, all that stands against such ‘theories’ are individual people of conscience with the courage to exhibit such conscience in public, again and again, until the absurdity, in all its disgusting manifestations, is exposed for what it is, a craven, pathetic and brutal lust for power.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As Kirk suggests, ’tis in our genes, this madness, and we must acknowledge that truth, face that truth and genuinely deal with that truth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put.  Ultimately, all that stands against such ‘theories’ are individual people of conscience with the courage to exhibit such conscience in public, again and again, until the absurdity, in all its disgusting manifestations, is exposed for what it is, a craven, pathetic and brutal lust for power.  </p>
<p>As Kirk suggests, ’tis in our genes, this madness, and we must acknowledge that truth, face that truth and genuinely deal with that truth.</p>
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		<title>By: RonD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Loo Hoo, that’s an interesting thought…although the use of free speech zones predates the DHS. It would be interesting to see their funding formula.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loo Hoo, that’s an interesting thought…although the use of free speech zones predates the DHS. It would be interesting to see their funding formula.</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
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		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In defense of my net addiction I’ll say that I have seen people go through withdraw from modern conveniences too ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In defense of my net addiction I’ll say that I have seen people go through withdraw from modern conveniences too ;)</p>
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