What happened was that the other day Andy Sullivan wrote one of those irritating "why I was wrong about The War in Iraq" self-serving mini-confessionals that have been dribbling out from the New York Times and Slate this past week. I became annoyed, stewed on it for a bit, and then had this epiphany: why, for my Saturday Night FDL post, I will write a "Why I Was Right about the War" essay, and pretend it got wide circulation! SATIRE! COMEDY GOLD! But Jim Henley got there first and, to add insult to injury, did a pretty good job of it. So, well, plan B.
I only have one issue with Jim’s post, which I’m not really sure is an issue at all. To explain. Jim is of course a libertarian, so, fair enough, he says that back in that horrible autumn of 2002 — one of the most hideous periods in all of American history, by the way, and I hope never to see such bleakness again — he was alert to the dangers of the war for ideological reasons.
As a libertarian, I was primed to react skeptically to official pronouncements. “Hayek doesn’t stop at the water’s edge!” I coined that one. Not bad, huh? I could tell the difference between the government and the country. People who couldn’t make this distinction could not rationally cope with the idea that American foreign policy was the largest driver of anti-American terrorism because it sounded to them too much like “The American people deserve to be victims of terrorism.” I could see the self-interest of the officials pushing for war – how war would benefit their political party, their department within the government, enhance their own status at the expense of rivals. Libertarianism made it clear how absurd the idealistic case was. Supposedly, wise, firm and just American guidance would usher Iraq into a new era of liberalism and comity. But none of that was going to work unless real American officials embedded in American political institutions were unusually selfless and astute, with a lofty and omniscient devotion to Iraqi welfare. And, you know, they weren’t going to be that.
Well, yeah. But I’m not a libertarian, and that was basically my conclusion at the time also. But then you didn’t need an -ism to see the approaching disaster, you just needed, well, to be awake. As Henley concedes, to his enormous credit (I was going to say this originally, dammit):
you didn’t have to be a libertarian to figure out that going to war with Iraq made even less sense than driving home to East Egg drunk off your ass and angry at your spouse. Any number of leftists and garden-variety liberals, and even a handful of conservatives, figured it out, each for different reasons.
What all of us had in common is probably a simple recognition: War is a big deal. It isn’t normal. It’s not something to take up casually. Any war you can describe as “a war of choice” is a crime. War feeds on and feeds the negative passions. It is to be shunned where possible and regretted when not. Various hawks occasionally protested that “of course” they didn’t enjoy war, but they were almost always lying. Anyone who saw invading foreign lands and ruling other countries by force as extraordinary was forearmed against the lies and delusions of the time. It’s a heavy burden, I’ll admit. But the riches and fame make it all worthwhile.
I suppose I’m not really a very good ideologue. I mean, I have opinions on affirmative action, the capital gains tax, Social Security, whether the town should sell off that vacant lot near Wal-Mart or extend the bike trail (BIKE TRAIL, MOTHERFUCKER!!!), but, you know, it really did shock me five years ago that we were even discussing something so absurd as invading a country that had not attacked us. It would get worse in the years to come, when I discovered we we as a nation were soberly contemplating whether torture was just a forgivable "whoopsie" or instead a Patriotic Duty to Be Enjoyed.
Weren’t we… civilized? Well, apparently not.
How did we ever get so debased, as a culture? How did that evil autumn of 2002 ever come to be? How did the national consensus ever become so corrupt? What the hell happened?
I have my theories, but there is, I think, some value in just stepping back and appreciating the sheer scale of the disaster. Our democracy is deeply flawed, you know, and we are desperately vulnerable to demagoguery.
Slainte. Also, this is an old post of mine that is still funny, dammit.
Related posts:
- About That Iraq Post
- Late Night: Are You Ready for Some FOOT-BALL, Or, At Least, Wingnuts Talking Crap about Football?
- Late Night: Obama Scandalizes Conservatives, Inexplicably Refuses to Cock-Slap Random Foreigners During UN Appearance
- Late Night: The Babble Phlegm of the Wingnut Republic; OR, What’s a Half a Million or So, Give or Take?
- Mitt Romney: Scrapping Totally Pointless, Costly and Unnecessarily Provocative Bush Missile Shield is “Dangerous”



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Thers, Aloha!
Crap!
Evening, my friends.
Crrrrap.
fine crrrrap, as usual, thers
Fear
Plain and simple
Fear
Led us to this point
And L’Chaim backatcha!
hey Thers…
well, crap! that’s good crap there, Thers…!
Thers, Glenn touched on it too… Here’s a quote…
I particularly enjoyed that parting quip…! ;-)
The picture of a flooded bridge is funny?
or the (then) six-year-old?
Mine was 6 then too – is yours 8 now?
Still funny.
worthless crap
Fear? Maybe. Greed and Ignorance had their hands in it, too.
What still gets me is the complacency. I know so many people who are still content not to think about Iraq.
Aloha, Ma Cheri!
Anyone who justifies going along with an unprovoked (yes unprovoked) war by saying “all the serious people thought it was a good idea too” should be asked “if your friends are all jumping off a cliff, should you go too?”
I particularly enjoyed that parting quip…! ;-)
Hee hee. Yah, I saw that.
Greed motivated a very small number.
Irrational fear is the product of ignorance.
Complacency? Maybe some. But my memories of 2002 don’t include much complacency. Fear and anger born of fear.
Mack, whoops, try the link again. Be ready to laugh!
For anyone who hasn’t seen it, Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s letter to the New Yoark Times.
Aaagh. Proofread, Renee
i figured it was with a new york accent (laughing)
Hello Crap Nighters.
Ya know Thers, when you came up with that Great Idea, and others got to post it before you, I know, it’s sad, but it just shows that you were In The Zone. You just had the schedule to deal with. Totally not your fault.
****
What did Yoda say about Fear…Anger…Hatred?
T’anks Demi.
I think Yoda said “John McCain’s insane hypocritical ass, stomp it, you will.”
Thers, it all went to crap when
weberandrew loyd vadar did the musicalHow did we get here? Hermann Goering explains it:
I really do not think it is much more complicated than that.
demi–what gives?
One night we will hang out live and that will be amazing fun.
dayum, I like it when someone calls bullshit on someone elses game and reads them from a to z.
your big shindig is next week thers?
renee in ohio, did the nyt print his letter?
Oh yes. Wish you all could be there.
L’Chaim all around!
Laura, I don’t know where I buried your email address. I’ve been wanting to email you in the last few days. Can you tell me again.
It’s quite easy to find out who wants war, follow the money.
i am so glad i am an empty nester this time of year – i no longer have to feel guilty about eating bunny ears and no longer have to run out to buy unmolested bunnies to put back into the girls’ baskets.
xxx at xxxl dot net. (Also on fb, if you use that….)
Apparently, Rove, Bush & Cheney are Goering’s best students.
The clue for me was that we were sending our guys and gals to a place that supposedly had chemical and biological weapons. Does that make sense? Suppose they all came home with smallpox.
Clue #2. Shock and awe. Since they didn’t know where these chemical and biological weapons were held, why would they bomb the hell out of everything?
You know what it’s hard to find on a Saturday night before Easter?
Stores that still have chocolate bunnies.
Ask me how I know…
Guilt-free molestation, eh? Poor wittle bunnies… ;-)
gw let me know you have it and i’ll edit the addy to prevent the spammers from trying to snag it
*innocent look*
how do you know, thers?
No, at least not according to this Dkos diarist:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..759/482318
I have yet to have the kiddies but molested bunny ears are still a problem and easter bread and well everything associated with Easter (that is food related) seems to get molested
Since they didn’t know where these chemical and biological weapons were held, why would they bomb the hell out of everything?
Exactly! Because they already knew that UNSCOM had accounted for and destroyed everything after the gulf war.
PETCA knows where you live.
Bwa-haha-ha-ha-ha!
or perhaps the SPCB :)
Good evening Thers-
In some earlier thread someone spoke against the idea of making decisions based on “gut feelings”- that was with reference to choosing a presidential candidate.
But, I certainly don’t discount “gut feelings”. I’ve long been interested in the “type testing” thing- INFPs, ESTJs, etc. And know that people make decisions based on different ways.
I knew, I positively knew that the invasion of Iraq would have a terrible outcome from the get go. That was my gut speaking. I doubt that I could have make a persuasive argument to one of those totally logical “thinking people” that they would have found convincing. I just knew, based on intuition and feeling.
So, Thers, I am interested to know what was behind your thoughts/ feelings at the time. Logic, feeling, huge grasp of history, what?
PETCA = people for the Ethical Treatment of Chocolate Animals
(uh – can anyone help me find a See’s with late night hours? One of my bunnies had an unexplained accident.)
rather formal tonight doc
eggsactly!
oops – my bad. sorry for scrambled signals. had to adjust the rabbit ears….
Oh, that’s sweet, the bunnies don,t have to can’t hear themselves screaming… ;-)
Evening everyone.
Nice post Thers.
As long as each bomb costs millions, they don’t care…
I was the same, VG! Pretty much from the getgo, that very day i heard the first anniversary speech of 911, my intuition shouted at me that it was a bad idea. Much less the outright obvious warmongering dog whistles in the speech that set me off. It’s a combo of skill and intuition with some of us, as i’d already had mass media training, the rest was the built in ‘bullshit’ detector that i think is standard equipment for Firepups.
*grin*
Kirk hahaha! Oh, See’s. It’s a CA institution. But, I didn’t know that they sold chocolate rabbits.
belay that can’t…
Don’t forget-Shock an Awe was also a Super Bowl commercial for the US armaments industry.
Somebody said, follow the money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkVM-jGNn04
CAUSE I WENT LOOKIN’!
You know you’re a parent when you realize you would cheerfully carry out an assassination to get your 3 year old a chocolate bunny when there ain’t none in the shops in town…
Found a remote CVS that had ‘em. Luckily for the world.
BTW, Did ya’ll catch Moyer’s last nite, I was simultaneously torn between tears and being enraged… I’ve got to see ‘Body of War’!
OMG, I hadn’t read that before. Step by step what happened.
Alias- yeah I see we are very much the same. Problem is, “intuition” is not a terribly persuasive talking point in trying to convince someone else that, say, Invading Iraq Is Not a Good Idea. So, and that and many other issues, I’ve really had to struggle to present a litany of “facts” to make my case, whatever that might be. It’s hard work sometimes!
dang, its getting nasty
I did. It included a nice expose on how Byrd Was Right about the War.
The trigger was that they were able to convince a large part of the country that “they” attacked us.
Somebody spewed on my laptop while I was blogging the Alaska GOP Convention last week. Wasn’t me. I had to take it in, where they re-did a lot of stuff. I love applecare warranties!
Just got it back I bought a “skin” to put over the keyboard so that it is spew-proof enough to take it to the National GOP convention. Provided I don’t try to blog from the convention mens rooms..
That comment makes me think “how many articles have I read in the MSM press or seen on tv about
war profiteering?
Answer: not enough.
This is the real backstory of this war. Who is profiting from it?
Most readers here know at least part of the answer.
[What company did Dick Cheney head before he appointed himself to office?]
VG
For me, I think it was nothing very wonderful. But my area, such as it is, is Irish history and culture. This course of study does not tend to inspire confidence that one culture can impose its values on another without problems ensuing.
More precisely, I saw the invasion of Iraq as imperialism of the sort the 19th century, much less the 20th, should have cautioned against.
I remember saying, back then, that if you read Heart of Darkness you knew already the outcome of the Iraq adventure: a horrific mess.
Valley girl and alias, perhaps we all just knew too much about George Bush and Dick Cheney. Maybe it wasn’t all gut.
dugg
What scares me most is that this episode shows how we have completely lost control of the media. They really don’t like us.
Oh great, ET. You’ll keep us posted, I hope.
Twain- you were probably watching the news and paying more attention than I was to details, but I would have said it was “Iraq has weapons of mass destruction” hysteria – my recollection was that “they attacked us” was after the fact PR.
tripped and fell in your mouth, huh?
my girls never believed that one either
Oh i know. I’ve taken part in some arrests at work and intuition alarm bells start ringing when i know the ’scripts are frauds. But i’m lucky i haven’t had to talk directly to the cops, because i’d be hard pressed to describe the whole process. Logic can be used to explain the cues you catch, but you never EVER think of them at the time. Much less the fact that you have to slap the answer together in order to answer later.
Dugg here also, Suz.
Got a weather report? Chilly and clear here, but A/C temps earlier.
ygm
i’ve got it. thanks.
Whu’sup, y’all? Just surfed it.
I was kidding about covering the National GOP Convention. I wouldn’t dream of going to that.
51 and steadily falling here, newton. cold dampness in the air but the day was forking glorious – blue skies, sunshine, birds chirping and brazen hussy squirrels scampering about.
Our choc bunnies seemed to always have ‘accidents’ that involved an ear. Clumbst lil things
Or you also want to know what it was? About that time we needed some roof work done. So we got guys to come over and give estimates.
It occurred to me that you should at least be as careful about going to war as you should about getting a contract for home improvements.
1. Are they reputable?
2. Have they explained the math behind their estimate?
3. You ARE going to clean up after yourselves, right?
I wouldn’t have hired this administration to fix my roof.
Honestly, that’s a big part of what it was.
edited :)
Good evening dear friends.
the bathtubification of our infrastructure continues – glad i wasn’t flying today
Bonsoir ma chère, comment vas-tu?
hey tex
he shouldn’t feel bad. they never printed any of the gazillions of political letters i’ve sent them either. they did print a letter i wrote about the katrina refugees i was volunteering with at our convention center. it was more like human interest and so it was deemed printable. had i written about how bush let it happen, knowingly and did nothing before or after, i guarantee it would never have seen the black of print.
Remember the run up to the war? I was sure they had something on Saddam…something airtight…since it seemed unthinkable that they would make all those definitive statements without a smoking gun. However, everytime they came out with something, it was easily discredited, like Powell’s speech and Blair’s file. This was the first red flag-then I started listening to Scott Ritter, and delving into the history a little more, and it seemed obvious that most of the people bitching about Saddam’s WMD were the people who gave them to him to begin with, and UNSCOM had gotten rid of those. So-what other reasons could there be for wanting a large field army in Iraq?
All a Part of the Plan?
I thought you were braver than most. It would be really fun to have someone there reporting, though.
The Mystery Science Theater 3K with the tiny guillotine for chocolate rabbits comes to mind…
“It was a fair cop, but society is to blame”
Hiya Betsy, and All!
Betsy, thanks for the FB message — I’ll open and answer soon.
Doing well my friend, and you?
Hiya, Betsy!
alias- wow that’s very interesting about the ’scripts thing. It’s a bit different from dealing with a huge political issue, but intuition has to be right there. I’m not pressed day to day to make that sort of call, in the same way that you are. But, I do remember when I heard something, or read something about some very weird event close at hand, and the hairs on the back of my neck just tingled- I just knew that the story was all wrong (as it turned out to be) – really a totally creepy experience.
Hi TB!
Public opinion has turned against the war without really turning toward peace. It’s been five years, and the fog of war that settled over our nation has never really lifted. We’re still wandering around, lost in the fog, while the madness continues.
This guy said it best:
Hi newt!
Walmart hypocrisy in action
SPCB
Now that put a nice smile on my face.
PETCA hah!
That’s good to hear. I’M okay, been putting hours into unraveling the mysteries of an autograph book I found when i was 8. found it a couple months ago, as I was clearing my dead dad’s office. The thing is absolutely mind blowing, probably unique in it’s scope. Kinda stuff the Antique Roadshow would show with an expert, gushing and awing…
But will you volunteer to work there? Lots of hopping to do.
Good evening young lady.
I can’t help myself – whenever I read about some civil airport fuckery, I think PATCO.
Our current smirking chimp had an example (Raygun) to learn from, and has bested him exponentially.
who’d you get to sign it?
Walmart: Your headquarters for cheap plastic crap
he sure did, loohoo
I got a call this week from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette because they were verifying that I had sent in a letter to the editor, and they were about to go to press. But the next day I was SO disappointed because they didn’t print it. :(
All the sigs where done in 1930, it was in my aunt’s house. I found it in her attic when I was 8. My dad kept it in his office all that time. I’ll get a link to it. I photographed the whole thing…
Wow! Any autographs we might recognize?
With me it’s a mix of working with legit scripts all the time and knowing all the little cues of what’s right about them. When something’s off, you check and double check, then start calling the Doc’s office to verify that. Sometimes it’s outright wrong, and other times it’s just a little thing. But there are some visible body language cues that set me off too. Those about to engage in fraud have a few things that make me eye them warily and take note. A mix of long practice and then that extra bit of ‘oh’ that crops up when the cues add up.
To me that’s what most intuition is. It’s a leap made instantly without all the logic in the way. You already KNOW the cues that set you off in the first place, you just can’t explain the instant recognition beyond ‘intuition’. All the information you take in on a daily basis, filtered and used in the process. Fun outside of work, and useful while i’m at work. I don’t even think of it as pressure there though. It’s just part of the job and the myriad details we have to keep in mind. *shrugs and grins*
FRP-fiberglass reinforced plastic
SMC-sheet molded composite
CPS-cheap plastic shit
experience is what i like to call it
I know the feeling. It was so clear there were no WMD, that AQ and Saddam were not best buddies and that we were going to war anyway. Try to tell that to people listening to MSM.
oh yes, Chaplin, Pickford, Laurel and Hardy, Will Rogers, Buster Keaton, Greta Garbo, and on and on.
Read the dsecription on the left…
http://picasaweb.google.com/pi…..-pRfMfzuk0
Is anyone watching the HBO special on John Adams?
Last night was the segment where they wrote and sent the Declaration of Independence to King George…. sat there crying…. “surely they will hang together if they don’t hand separately”….. Such brave men and women…
Are you going to the RNC?
Yup. I imagine it had an impact in your job too. When every little second counted, sometimes.
You’re right, the oil. They’re still thinking that the Iraqis are stupid people, and will be happy to turn over their oil. Look at the mess they have created. When do the war crimes trials begin? Just after the impeachment hearings?
Did you see the $250 million yacht? It can stay out on the open sea for 5 years. That’s how much fuel it can hold. Quite a boat, and built for the likes of people who want to remain very private.
Fascinating- what are the visible body language cues?
That info might help me figure out when my undergraduate students are lying to me!
i’ve said many times ‘based upon my training and experience…’. seems to work with judges.
Good catch! Hope the Walmart and Starbucks employees each win their class action suits.
Oh wait! They did print my letter to the editor, just now! :) I had written two of them, and they chose the worse one of the two :(, but I’m still happy.
It’s pro-Obama, so your mileage may vary. It’s the first letter.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg…..95-110.stm
sweet
Kewl!
This is worth a Sunday afternoon looking at each page. What fun!
It’s a little hard. Most seem genuine when dropping off the scripts. Something just sets off the bells to what isn’t ‘genuine’. They’ll meet your eyes and everything, but i can’t tell what it is that set me off sometimes at all. It just happens. The first time, especially (as i ‘d been there less than a year and still clueless.). The script itself that he handed me felt weird, then the pharmacist found the altered bit of it that made it outright fraud. But it was a mix of how the script felt and something else that i’m not sure what i caught in the first place!
I’m used to working with people in customer service so long(it was near 10 years that first time) it might have been a voice cue that i picked up on, being the audio centered geek that i am. It wasn’t the outright body language that did it, or the ragged look he had. I judge less on that than anything else. It just didn’t ‘feel’ right, and the pharmacist just did the footwork tracing the script and he ended up arrested. It was an experience for a rank n00b like me at the time. Four years later(and now 13 years in customer service of some type) it’s a little easier to figure out, but not always.
It’s something else. click on one of the photo, and use the arrows afterwards, all the links should work.
Yay ron!
Wow. Loo, in my previous life, I was a yacht builder, but nothing in that league…if that’s not decadent enough, try this, the 400-million$, 413-ft. Octopus
i’m glad they put your letter up top rob rather than that letter that followed yours.
Taking the pics, finding the links, conting the stars, at least 30 hours. It’s been nothing but a wonderful trip into all the stars of the silent movie era. I,ve learned so much. The girl who owned the book originally was a cabaret singer. It’s all extremely exciting. What a ride.
Joan Crawford, Will Rogers…dang, Q. This is worth a fortune beyond your memories. Hope you have it in a safety deposit box.
Meanwhile, honest conservative John Cole shows his fellow cons how to spine up and admit being wrong:
Fine letter and opinion, Rob, kudos.
q – this is what you wanted to share last night and no one responded.
kicking dirt and feeling guilty
sorry my lightbulb took so long to figure it out and light up
hey pw
we watched the first two episodes thursday. can’t wait until tomorow for the new episode.
i cried like a baby..just grieves me what has become of this country
WOW, Quebecois, just unbelievable. Priceless.
easy. walter pincus, page A16
seriously.
Nah, It’s right here besides me. I’m selling it to start a business. I’m keeping the rights to the photo album though, hope to do a website with it one day.
Please Suzanne, I was tired, I went to bed, was not in the least bit mad. I get to share it tonight, I’m grateful for that.
My apologies to Thers for the derailment.
Comme c’est geniale!
Everyone who has access to HBO please try to catch the mini-series John Adams. It is all about the founders of our country….
Have your friends over to watch it…. tape or record it so that others can see it….. All this scare the American people … boo …. and see what REAL patriots did for us.
Good letter! Congratulations.
pw – i don’t object to people being wrong. after all, i’m wrong all the time.
but it pisses me off no end when they won’t admit it. that’s not being wrong, that’s being dishonest.
cole is ok in my book.
aw. what was the letter about?
Yes, that is exactly it for us intuitives. But, it’s not just intuition out of the blue- but tutored by experience of one sort or another, as you so well say.
Allright, who are these guys on the video? They effin’ rock and I don’t have time to peruse all the responses because I have a big day tomorrow-gotta have a friend serve the ex with papers when she steps out of easter services tommorow (I do have a sense of propriety-”Are there any announcements” might be fair game, but definately beyond the pale-when she steps out into the light of day is soon enough). Easter IS about rebirth-right?
The update is in Thers’ post! Saw that earlier today, PW. Good for John Cole.
Will you sell it as a whole book, or take it apart and sell individual pictures/signatures?
Yeah, that other letter is a bit of a buzzkill. They also took my “title” and made it the first sentence, making it seem like I don’t know basic grammar. :)
But I got to call Bush “petulant” in a newspaper! Woohoo!
As a whole, I thought of doing it in pieces, but, I’m growing fond of it, I’ll try to get it into the hands of a collector who really cares.
What a treasure!
I love the photo of Dolores del Rio. What a beautiful woman.
Wow! Am I relieved.
Heard that there was some ‘rabid fear’ discussion going on at FDL (the ‘melt-down’ of all civility? I wondered).
No, ’twas ‘rabbits’ and harrowing tales of ‘ears’ gone missing …
Still, the coincidence of such mutilations, occurring across the land on the same night is highly suspicious.
‘Eggsactly’, as one observer put it, the kind of thing that Late Night is noted for, sniffing out events, early on, before the rest of the nation’s ears have caught the faint sound of change acomin’.
Do you know where your chocolate rabbits are? And who is with them?
If your hold them ear and dear then you better check…
Oh, very nice letter Rob. And it so nice that they DID print it. :)
ugh.
despite an unpleasant divorce (many years ago) i have neither sympathy nor empathy for misusing a house of worship – much less the most sacred day in the faith’s calendar – for venal purposes in service of any agenda.
Easter is about the fact we all may be forgiven – pity the lesson is lost on so many who call themselves Christian.
If you don’t like this response, I invite you and your soul to reflect upon the fact that you chose to vomit up this desecration upon us.
Silence is assent: I do not assent to your defiling a house of worship or a holy day in this fashion.
If you must defile Easter, you and your tool could at least wait until anyone unfortunate enough to have once shared your life – and your bed – was away from sacred gound and sacred worship.
Though I am now a worshipper of the Goddess, I still honor and revere Christ and His teachings. I pray to Him that you may know His mercy, and that you may show the forgiveness He offers to all who believe in Him.
I pray also that you will one day – and soon – have the peace within to spare those once close to you from the poisonous intentions you spewed upon us here on Easter eve.
May you find peace from the bitterness and resentment that drips from the vile scenario in which you find such pleasure – and may the realization of that scheme be as ashes on your tongue.
So mote it be.
Famous dictum of the American Revolutionary War:
The standing army that does win, loses; the guerilla army that does not lose, wins.
Kirk Murpy- As I said, when she steps out into the light of day is soon enough. You might be a Christian, but I am not and I care not the slightest whether ot not you approve. Tomorrow is a calender day just like any other. You have not walked a mile in my shoes, nor would you willingly if you only knew. Goodnight, my friend.
odd isn’t it that this bunch of syphillitic infested neo-con political whores would embark on installing a “lib’rul democracy” in iraq when they bitch and moan about having one here ??
i cringe every time i think ofthe fact that “aggressive war” ..attacking someone who poses no imminent threat to you ..and has not attacked you first is in reality and actuality ..under the letter of international law ..a “crime against humanity” ..and my formerly great and honorable nation has fallen into this abyss ..
that due to the unbridled and unhinged cowardice of a few .. we have been led .. [in some cases dragged kicking and screaming in protest] to the point where we actually torture our “enemies” and allow our gum’mint to shame us with abandon ..
“how far the mighty have fallen” … it’s an oft repeated phrase from history ..and now .. it applies to us … shame
Quebequois – your Regis ???ootney is ‘Regis Toomey”
There was an Iraqi-American professor of sociology on Democracy Now from the show dated March 20th. He was giving his assessment of what is going on in Iraq now and towards the end he made an astute observation regarding the current anti-war sentiments among his students and people in his area. He noticed that they were against the war because we are losing and their opposition was not based on any moral grounds or the fact that the war is illegal. He also made an important suggestion that it is “our duty to educate” people. It is here at around the 50 minute mark.