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	<title>Comments on: FDL Book Salon Welcomes John Gorenfeld: Bad Moon Rising</title>
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		<title>By: John Gorenfeld</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/22/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-john-gorenfeld-bad-moon-rising/#comment-1352391</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gorenfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And thanks to everyone for helping to get this story out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>And thanks to everyone for helping to get this story out.</p>
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		<title>By: BevW</title>
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		<dc:creator>BevW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John thank you for spending your afternoon with us here at the Lake.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John thank you for spending your afternoon with us here at the Lake.</p>
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		<title>By: OkiDave</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/22/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-john-gorenfeld-bad-moon-rising/#comment-1352256</link>
		<dc:creator>OkiDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, John, for the response.  It’s just amazing to me to see over and over again the manipulation that rethugs employ to further their aims.  Yet, they spool up the Wurlitzer to criticize their opponents for perceived hypocrisy every time they think that it will play in the MSM (which works alarmingly all too often). The short-hand of IOKIYAAR seems to be stamped on their souls.  As you point out, the cynical manipulation of the religious right by Rove and other lever-pullers from behind the curtain has been apparent for years, but they continue to successfully do it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My guess (and fear) is that you’re going to receive some serious heat from  the Wurlitzer gang over your book.  You have mates here who will stand up for you, but be careful — I think these people will do just about anything to punish those brave enough to expose their dishonesty and deceit.  Watch your six.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, John, for the response.  It’s just amazing to me to see over and over again the manipulation that rethugs employ to further their aims.  Yet, they spool up the Wurlitzer to criticize their opponents for perceived hypocrisy every time they think that it will play in the MSM (which works alarmingly all too often). The short-hand of IOKIYAAR seems to be stamped on their souls.  As you point out, the cynical manipulation of the religious right by Rove and other lever-pullers from behind the curtain has been apparent for years, but they continue to successfully do it.</p>
<p>My guess (and fear) is that you’re going to receive some serious heat from  the Wurlitzer gang over your book.  You have mates here who will stand up for you, but be careful — I think these people will do just about anything to punish those brave enough to expose their dishonesty and deceit.  Watch your six.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gorenfeld</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/22/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-john-gorenfeld-bad-moon-rising/#comment-1352241</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gorenfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OKDave:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s an excellent question. FDL readers will remember the David Kuo book &lt;i&gt;Tempting Faith&lt;/i&gt;, in which a former Bush official complains that Christian evangelicals have been cynically exploited by Karl Rove, who privately called them “the nuts.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The book is largely about the amazing lengths to which politicians have gone to keep Moon believing that he’s adored in Washington, up to and including (I swear, I’m not making this up–see this &lt;em&gt;Washington City Paper &lt;/em&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/Unif40.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;piece&lt;/a&gt;) enacting “Parent’s Day,” a holiday on the federal calendar designed to appease Moon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I had to guess, Rev. Moon’s lobbyist, the Religious Right huckster Gary Jarmin, probably knows it’s a con game. But there are wide-eyed Unification Church leaders who brag about being “loved and respected” by politicians. Longtime aide Col. Bo Hi Pak even bragged in the 1990s that George H.W. Bush was having his schedule dictated by Moon.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OKDave:</p>
<p>It’s an excellent question. FDL readers will remember the David Kuo book <i>Tempting Faith</i>, in which a former Bush official complains that Christian evangelicals have been cynically exploited by Karl Rove, who privately called them “the nuts.”</p>
<p>The book is largely about the amazing lengths to which politicians have gone to keep Moon believing that he’s adored in Washington, up to and including (I swear, I’m not making this up–see this <em>Washington City Paper </em> <a href="http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/Unif40.html" rel="nofollow">piece</a>) enacting “Parent’s Day,” a holiday on the federal calendar designed to appease Moon.</p>
<p>If I had to guess, Rev. Moon’s lobbyist, the Religious Right huckster Gary Jarmin, probably knows it’s a con game. But there are wide-eyed Unification Church leaders who brag about being “loved and respected” by politicians. Longtime aide Col. Bo Hi Pak even bragged in the 1990s that George H.W. Bush was having his schedule dictated by Moon.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gorenfeld</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/22/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-john-gorenfeld-bad-moon-rising/#comment-1352231</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gorenfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Dave and everyone. I’ll be here all night. Also, I hope I can put in a plug for “The King of America,” a YouTube film I’m cutting together as we speak, featuring some of the amazing sights I discuss in the book. It’ll be on my Web site, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truefather.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TrueFather.com&lt;/a&gt;, which also has a slideshow. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lindy: That’s why I made this a book about moral corruption first, and influence only second. The former is in plain sight, and ought to be a hilarious public scandal–some of the most sanctimonious politicians in the land, cavorting over 30 years with an anti-Christian demagogue famous for enslaving American teenagers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After that, someone braver can me can ask where the Japanese Mob enters into the picture :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dave and everyone. I’ll be here all night. Also, I hope I can put in a plug for “The King of America,” a YouTube film I’m cutting together as we speak, featuring some of the amazing sights I discuss in the book. It’ll be on my Web site, <a href="http://www.truefather.com" rel="nofollow">TrueFather.com</a>, which also has a slideshow. </p>
<p>Lindy: That’s why I made this a book about moral corruption first, and influence only second. The former is in plain sight, and ought to be a hilarious public scandal–some of the most sanctimonious politicians in the land, cavorting over 30 years with an anti-Christian demagogue famous for enslaving American teenagers.</p>
<p>After that, someone braver can me can ask where the Japanese Mob enters into the picture :)</p>
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		<title>By: David Neiwert</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Neiwert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;… So, it looks like the conversation is tapering off a bit. I’ll be checking back in from time to time to respond to further questions and comments. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John, thanks so much for participating, and feel free to drop back at your leisure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And may I add what a pleasure it’s been both reading &lt;i&gt;Bad Moon Rising&lt;/i&gt; and helping get the word out about it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>… So, it looks like the conversation is tapering off a bit. I’ll be checking back in from time to time to respond to further questions and comments. </p>
<p>John, thanks so much for participating, and feel free to drop back at your leisure.</p>
<p>And may I add what a pleasure it’s been both reading <i>Bad Moon Rising</i> and helping get the word out about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Siun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Spocko … John has an awesome PR guy and I’m sure we’ll get to see John a lot in the coming weeks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spocko … John has an awesome PR guy and I’m sure we’ll get to see John a lot in the coming weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: spocko</title>
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		<dc:creator>spocko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh and btw John: I’m quite serious about getting you out there in the MSM and cable tv and radio. I know how overwhelmed most PR people are for books, but they should be able to jump some cable tv people’s desire to provide fake balance for their attacks on Obama. Use that. Now. They should be able to suggest stories that will further the “discussion” about religion (and even race) and political power. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have some experience with interacting with the media creating narratives and dealing with controversy. If you aren’t the creator of the narrative that the right wing is pushing, you can co-opt it a bit to get YOUR point across. Hold them to their words. Have your PR person get a clip of what they said about Obama and Wright and then ask if they are interested in Moon and another Politician. They might bite.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  As David said earlier they don’t act logical but somewhere in their fevered brain they know that it might make good TV.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and btw John: I’m quite serious about getting you out there in the MSM and cable tv and radio. I know how overwhelmed most PR people are for books, but they should be able to jump some cable tv people’s desire to provide fake balance for their attacks on Obama. Use that. Now. They should be able to suggest stories that will further the “discussion” about religion (and even race) and political power. </p>
<p>I have some experience with interacting with the media creating narratives and dealing with controversy. If you aren’t the creator of the narrative that the right wing is pushing, you can co-opt it a bit to get YOUR point across. Hold them to their words. Have your PR person get a clip of what they said about Obama and Wright and then ask if they are interested in Moon and another Politician. They might bite.</p>
<p>  As David said earlier they don’t act logical but somewhere in their fevered brain they know that it might make good TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m so glad you came today. I’ve been worrying over this for years, and talking to people who seem receptive. But you know, most americans have been conditioned to sneer at what’s called “conspiracy theories”, never mind whether you have facts to support what you say.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m so glad you came today. I’ve been worrying over this for years, and talking to people who seem receptive. But you know, most americans have been conditioned to sneer at what’s called “conspiracy theories”, never mind whether you have facts to support what you say.</p>
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		<title>By: OkiDave</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/22/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-john-gorenfeld-bad-moon-rising/#comment-1352197</link>
		<dc:creator>OkiDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great review and discussions.  I’m going to order your book today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Question:  What is the primary objective of Moon?  Is it truly to achieve some sort of world domination with his religious ‘views’ being imposed on as many people as possible?  It’s just too weird to rationally comprehend. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My take is that the repugs who have signed up with Mr. Moon are intending to use his money and influence to their own purposes.  From your perspective, do you believe that the Moon inner circle are aware of this strategem?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks,&lt;br /&gt;
Dave in Okinawa&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review and discussions.  I’m going to order your book today.</p>
<p>Question:  What is the primary objective of Moon?  Is it truly to achieve some sort of world domination with his religious ‘views’ being imposed on as many people as possible?  It’s just too weird to rationally comprehend. </p>
<p>My take is that the repugs who have signed up with Mr. Moon are intending to use his money and influence to their own purposes.  From your perspective, do you believe that the Moon inner circle are aware of this strategem?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Dave in Okinawa</p>
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