(Please welcome in the comments John Gorenfeld, author of Bad Moon Rising: How Reverend Moon Created the Washington Times, Seduced the Religious Right and Built an American Kingdom -- jh)
My first encounter with the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church and its influence within the Republican Party came back in 1984, when I was the assistant news editor at the Twin Falls, Idaho, Times-News. Our ace investigative reporters, Rick Shaughnessy and Hal Bernton, had been working for months to try to uncover where Republican Rep. George Hansen -- a Bircherite who once called Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination "the chickens coming home to roost," and whose most notorious moment in a long career of headline-grabbing had come in 1979, when he flew to Tehran and attempted to personally negotiate the release of the American hostages with the Ayatollah Khomeini -- was getting his money.
Hansen had endured many years of legal trouble because of his proclivity for cheating on his taxes (he'd already been convicted, but the judge gave him no jail time because he found that Hansen's actions indicated stupidity, not criminality), and yet his campaigns in the '80s were always well financed. It turned out, as Shaughnessy discovered, that he was rolling in large sums of dough from the largesse of one of Moon's front groups: CAUSA, an organization whose chief mission was the destruction of communism, and whose activities to that end included funding gun-running and financing of right-wing death squads in Latin America.
Hansen, who'd been politically indestructible up till then, was finally defeated that year. But that hardly ended the association with Moon; the next year, at a banquet honoring Moon after his release from prison for tax evasion, Hansen sat at the head of the table next to Moon.
But Hansen, as the years went on, was only the tip of the iceberg. For those of us dedicated to watchdogging the activities of the far right and its effects on the mainstream, there was an ever-mounting litany of similar examples in which Moon's money not only propped up various right-wing outfits, but gave him considerable influence within movement conservatism generally and the Republican Party particularly. The litany includes those that are well-known -- the continuing power and influence of the Washington Times, and the Bush family's involvement with Moon's organizations -- but it extends well, well beyond that.
It's difficult, really, to overestimate the depth and breadth of the influence wielded by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon on movement conservatism and the Republican Party. John Gorenfeld's new book on the subject, Bad Moon Rising: How Reverend Moon Created the Washington Times, Seduced the Religious Right and Built an American Kingdom, is one of the best explorations of the subject yet: It is an engaging, detailed, and thoroughly documented account, at times amusing, but in the end profoundly disturbing.
And for all that, it probably doesn't tell everything that those who've investigated Moon's Unification Church, and where its power and influence lie, have found over the years. Which is just as well, because as crazy as things seem in Bad Moon Rising, the hard reality is even crazier. If Gorenfeld had tried to cram it all into his book, people probably would have thought he is just crazy.
Wisely, he adheres to the aspects of Moon's empire that are factually undeniable, though even those seem crazy too:
- The coronation ceremony in the Senate Dirksen Building in 2004 in which Moon ostensibly "replaced Jesus" as the new Messiah, attended by various American politicos and arranged by Republican Sen. John Warner of Virginia.
- The Moon-financed campaign to "Trade Your Cross For a Crown" in which numerous evangelical pastors, many of them inner-city black pastors, actually took down crosses from their churches and bury them. (Moon, you see, preaches that he has superseded Jesus -- who he describes a mere carpenter who turned in substandard work in the first go-round -- as the Messiah.)
- The astounding array of right-wing politicians and pundits who have lined up to take Moon's money and lend him credibility by appearing onstage with him and his associates, as well as speaking at events sponsored by him.
- The substantial (and absurdly outsized) influence of his news organ, the Washington Times, which not only has proven a major vehicle for his right-wing propaganda, but has provided employment for a wide range of conservative pundits and "journalists," from Tony Blankley to David Brooks.
- The substantial and continuing influence of his various front organizations and their conferences and gatherings, including a 2005 media conference put on by Moon's World Media Association in which journalists were urged to stop thinking of themselves as "watchdogs" and instead assume the task of being "guide dogs." The conference included as speakers such figures as Jan Schaffer of the Pew Center for Civic Journalism.
- The continuing practice of not merely attracting followers but of separating them from their families and holding them in virtual captivity, a practice that long ago earned them the title of "cult". Closely associated with these activities are the various moneymaking scams that Moon's organizations operate, many of them ripping off the elderly and various other vulnerable members of society, both here in the U.S. and elsewhere.
- The astonishing breadth of his financial empire, which ranges from massive land holdings in South America to the massive seafood business, True World Foods, that he operates (if you eat sushi, there's a high likelihood you've been buying food supplied by Moon) to the arms-manufacturing business he runs.
- The deeply disturbing and genuinely extremist things that Moon has preached, many of them profoundly anti-American and anti-democratic, not to mention ethically and theologically dubious. Among Moon's more bizarre preachings: His claims to be able to speak to famous world leaders of the past beyond the grave, including many American presidents who testify to Moon's greatness and his importance as the New Messiah.
Of course, this is just an abbreviated list of the topics that Gorenfeld covers in his book. At times, it can get dizzying -- the array of Moon's empire and its influence is not just broad and deep, it also has a long, long history (as the George Hansen case illustrates).
Gorenfeld only briefly alludes to some of the more disturbing and darker aspects of Moon's empire that some researchers have uncovered over the years, including most notably the origins and foundations of his empire, which have been linked to Japanese yakuza figures who themselves have ties to far-right Japanese militarist/authoritarian figures. This is probably just as well, since some of these aspects seem so far out that, despite their foundation in fact, they could lead readers to dismiss the rest of the work as crazy.
Moreover, most Americans and media observers mistakenly see the Unification Church -- which has renamed itself the Family Federation for World Peace, indicative of its intent to cease being considered a mere religion -- as a religious "cult," when in fact it has become a clearly political entity intent on imposing its ideology not just on America but the world.
But Moon's operations would not be possible without the complicity of the mainstream media -- and the ostensibly mainstream conservatives who enjoy his largesse and fear his wrath. David Brooks, now writing at the New York Times, dismisses discussion of the Bush family's ties to the Moon empire as "bizarre." Jan Schaffer, when confronted about her participation in the 2005 WMA conference, briefly answered: "Clearly you have a point of view," and then hung up on her questioner. Nearly every journalist who works at the Washington Times adamantly denies that Moon influences the newsroom directly -- but Gorenfeld in fact illustrates clearly that the paper's top management in fact reports directly to Moon or his lieutenants and guide the paper according to his dictates.
James Whelan, the paper's first editor who fled after finding that he could not escape Moon's control, laid this out in 1993:
They are subverting our political system. They’re doing it through front organizations -- most of them disguised -- and through their funding of independent organizations -- through the placement of volunteers in the inner sanctums of hard-pressed organizations. In every instance -- in every instance -- those who attend their conferences, those who accept their money or their volunteers, delude themselves that there is no loss of virtue because the Moonies have not proselytized. That misses the central, crucial point: the Moonies are a political movement in religious clothing. Moon seeks power, not the salvation of souls. To achieve that, he needs religious fanatics as his palace guard and shock troops. But more importantly, he needs secular conscripts -- seduced by money, free trips, free services, seemingly endless bounty and booty -- in order to give him respectability and, with it, that image of influence which translates as power.
Gorenfeld's book -- which, it must also be noted, is not just a well-documented piece of reportage but also an engaging and skillful piece of writing -- may help Americans come to terms with that reality.
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Welcome, John. So good to have you hear. Rick Perlstein, one of your biggest fans, was all over TBA raving about the book. Well deserved.
Hi, David. Should be a good discussion of Gorenfeld’s book.
John, welcome to the Lake.
Very grateful for the opportunity–thanks for having me.
OY this man is a monster.
This needs to be spread around and shown on the evening news and 60 minutes.
Are you being interviewed on DemocracyNow! ?
I probably should have stressed more that John’s really a fine writer. The book was really very compelling, and not just for those of us who like to watch the kooks.
How can rational people be in denial that this man is a cult leader quasi fascist nit case?
I can’t see him as anything but?
What does Bobo say when confronted with your evidence? Or “dean” Broder” or Tony Blankley? Do they deny the facts?
You mention McCain in the book. Does he seem to have a relationship with Moon?
Time to separate religion from politics. PAST time.
The only thing which interests me about this man is how he got started with his empire and how he has stayed within the law. And of course why he isn’t in jail yet?
John,
I’ve been hearing about this book coming for some time and am so glad it is finally out! This is such an important story. Yes, it’s one more of those things going on that people think YOU’re the crazy person when you try to talk about it.
submitted and dugg this … come on folks, digg it.
Dave, Jane and everyone, thanks for your kind introduction. Yes, with a scandal this absurd–almost embarrassingly absurd–I decided go for the understated approach.
I discovered early on that this was the sort of story in which to simply read off 20 years of Washington Post headlines was to evoke an incredibly bizarre world. Over the years, many fine investigative reporters, from The Washington Post’s Michael Isikoff to Newsweek’s Bob Parry, had dug up individual, bizarre chunks of the story (for example, Isikoff wrote about the time a Zimbabwean claiming to be Moon’s reincarnated son was allowed to chain church leaders to radiators and pummel them with a bat).
But no author had yet woven the public record into the Caligula-like saga that it seemed to call for. In fact, amazingly, the last major book on Moon’s influence-peddling was in 1980, two years before the founding of the Washington Times. It was this incredible expose, Gifts of Deceit, written by a House investigator. And despite all its revelations, it had been completely ignored by the public, which I always found sort of haunting.
This is a mind-blower. Thank you, John! This video rich link from our discussion on the upcoming Book Salon yesterday: From John in Sacramento.
Unbelievable.
I find this both unreal and yet fascinating. I look forward to reading this in the same way I read about Jonestown. Only this is blessed by the rightnuts and MUCH larger and scarier.
I don’t know how a person writes a book like this and remains so calm in their written delivery. My hat’s off to Mr Gorenfeld for that achievement alone.
Wonderful intro David.
How is it that I have a sense that this man is bat crazy if there has been no investigative reporting on his madness? I must have received this “impression” from somewhere?
I did hear about his coronation.
I have heard about his cult like mass weddings.
I do know that he has assembled some huge financial empire.
I don’t know more of specific nasty deeds he is associated with.
Bring it on!
John, you mention Bob Parry, whose treatment by the journalism industry has been just scandalous, since he does such fine work. And while he hasn’t managed to publish a book, he has done a lot of excellent reportage on Moon (almost certainly a full book’s worth) at his site, Consortium News. There’s a full page there dedicated to the “True Father.”
Does Ralph Reed have a legitimate PhD?
Ed*ward Teller said yesterday that he knew a woman 30 or so years ago who signed over her trust to Moon. Her parent had patented creosode (sp), and she was supposed to get a penny per year for each telephone pole in the country, and 5 cents per year for something else. She got out, sued, but never got her inheritance back. I’ll look for ET’s comment.
It’s a good point, that the Moon influence-peddling scandal is many times larger than Jim Jones. One thing I talk about in the book is how the media wrongly lumped Moon and Jones together, when Moon was always in a league of his own. Whereas Jim Jones was a preacher of modest means who went nuts, Moon arrived in California in 1965 with the resources of a rising industrialist back home in South Korea.
And his ambitions were much bigger. A House panel in 1978 warned that he was determined to find a place in Washington, D.C. for his mad agenda. The first few schemes didn’t work so well (e.g. sending 300 pretty young women to cajole members of Congress), and then he hit on the best scheme yet: Start a newspaper, the Washington Times, to serve the incoming Reagan Right.
The scheme succeeded so wildly that you hardly even hear about it anymore.
the ill begotten money of Rev. Moon,supports the worst elements in our government,and the fact he owns UPI,and a DC newspaper (often quoted)is extremely upsetting.Cant wait to read the book,for the gorey(no pun intended) deatails
1,789 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizens John Gorenfeld and “Orcinus” Neiwert and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Bless you Citizen Gorenfeld, I will buy yer book first thing Monday mornin’…but your book only serves to illuminate what a good number of us old “tinfoil hat” folks have been sayin’ about the depth of corruption of the American oligarchy and the permanent political structure of American politics. As this political campaign goes on, more and more people are beginnin’ to see jest how far the fascism cancer has metastasized.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, FEAR AND FASCISM MUST BE DEFEATED!!
Great book and equally great review. Thanks to both John and David.
For all you Chicago area sushi lovers out there.
These people are total idiots. And this is just another reason why inherited wealth is such a screwed up concept.
In my world she would inherit a few hundred thousand and the rest would go back to the commons as taxes.
Loo Hoo - it wasn’t a penny per year per telephone pole/nickel per year per piling. Her trust fund was simply augmented a penny per telephone pole and a nickel per piling whenever one of those items was manufactured. It adds up. She signed it over to the moonies. She was probably around 30 at the time - 1971 or so.
John, Moon is 88 years old. What will happen to his empire upon his death?
John Gorenfeld,
Have you found any links between Moon’s seafood fishing, processing and distribution empire and that of the similarly complex and rapidly growing seafood empire of Tan Siu Lin and the Tan Holding Company labyrinth?
BTW, pups, here’s a great page that lists parts of Moon’s incredible labyrinth. Check to see what he owns in your town.
Jane, a couple years ago I attended a Moon event in downtown San Francisco that was attended by former Rep. Matt Salmon (R-AZ), part of McCain’s Arizona leadership team.
Moon puts on these traveling shows that roam the U.S. and the Pacific Islands, attended by various politicians, who are never asked to explain what they’re doing there. Neil Bush, the president’s corrupt younger brother, has been an avid participant in the tour lasting the last couple years.
Under the banner of the “Universal Peace Federation,” Moon’s latest influence-peddling scam (dominated by a creepy Left Behind vibe that would freak out most conservatives–the big pitch is transforming the U.N. into a religious body), the tour also featured star speaker Dinesh D’Souza.
He’s the author of a recent book, The Enemy At Home, in the liberals-are-teaming-up-to-betray-America genre. When I asked him what he was doing there, he claimed to have virtually no knowledge of Moon–this despite having written an in-depth study of Moon for a think tank newsletter in the 1980s.
When I read connections of Moon and the the Japanese yakuza, I have to admit it frightens me a great deal. I was once courted by certain businessmen in Japan. They flew me over there and as I toured they pointed out the yakuzas power and pervasive influence in every single business transaction both large and small. It was truly astonishing in its scope.
It took a couple of years after that trip to get away from those folks once and for all. I have always considered myself lucky to have been willing to look past the money offers and be able to see the real dangers in what I was offered in advance.
If the yakuza plays any role at all in influencing our government, even through a religion, we must stop it all costs.
Welcome John to FDL! Your book is superb … what an important investigation and great reporting!
I read thru the list and can say I never gave one penny to a moonie affiliated organization.
But the size of the list is staggering.
How dumb can people be? It’s hard to believe in humanity when they show such poor judgment and avarice.
Money and power are such corrupting forces and the driving force in capitalism. No wonder we are so royally screwed.
(Jane, sorry for taking so long to answer that.)
Sander, in answer to your question about how conservative bigshots excuse their association with Moon: These days, thanks to a press corps that doesn’t want to rock the boat, they just sail cynically on by. They expect liberals to be too P.C. to go after their felonious patron, who has so successfully rebranded himself as yesterday’s news.
Times alums Tony Blankley and John Podhoretz both declined to talk to me; Mr. Blankley was sort of curt about it, and Mr. Podhoretz said he had a policy of not “talking trash” about former bosses.
John, does the book get into the minds of those who join the cult? That is just fascinating to me. Are the political hacks involved spiritually, or just in it for the money? Looked like (on John in Sacramento’s link) it was all about money and power. All of the participants from all of the embassies, as well as the American politicians.
FWIW, the information on the yakuza connection is very scant because, of course, they are so secretive. My old friend Dan Junas, a political researcher who helped me greatly in the 1990s with my work on militias, had actually put together a book on Moon that included more detail than what we can provide here. But it was never published, in part because of indifference from the publishing world, but largely because Dan kinda burned out on doing this sort of work.
One of the great tropes of the right is how they are winning in “the marketplace of ideas” in the marketplace. I like to point out how much money is spent to push certain ideas with no expectation of a return on investment.
How much money does the Washington Times lose every year? Has it ever turned a profit? What is the total amount of money lost on the Washington Times?
Is there another example of a paper, radio station or TV station that Moon continues to loose money on?
How much is Moon paying journalist and politicians to be his friend?
Oldgold, about the line of succession after Moon: it’s hotly debated by ex-Moonies. Power could fall into the hands of one of several figures:
* Preston Moon, a slick Harvard MBA who has none of his dad’s ranting tendencies.
* Mrs. Moon, who has allegedly prepared for her role as Queen of the Universe by studying historical soap operas set during the Chosun Dynasty.
* Dae Mo Nim, leader of a growing faction in Korea–her mini-cult revolves around her claims to be channeling the soul of Mrs. Moon’s mom. Here in the lake country outside Seoul, Moon has a staggeringly ornate palace that broke ground just a couple of years ago–the thing literally looks like the child of the U.S. Capitol Dome and the White House, and I can put a video up of this.
I’d just about bet that all those businesses are feeding money into the media and political arms of Moon’s organization. (Think money-laundering, where it goes in legit and becomes crooked on its way through the machine.)
Is brainwashing real. How can you tell if a person has been brainwashed? Does Moon just do it to regular folk or does he give journalists and politicians the same treatment.
What does the Yakuza want from our press and government? Why do they send Moon over to influence us?
I assume that’s south of Seoul? I lived just outside Munsani many MOONS ago.
His enormous land holdings in Uruguay and Paraguay. Uruguay also has secret banking, iirc. He owns gun manufacturing operations and has supported armed conflicts in South America (who knows where else).
Hi. I have a question on Moons involvement with Oliver North and the drug smuggling - gun running business he was in. I know Moon was involved in the cocaine trade at one time and wonder if this did spill over into the US Central American arena. Thank you.
PJEvans, they aren’t the only ones feeding money into Moon’s operations. Under the guise of abstinence and HIV education, the Bush Administration has funneled millions of tax-free dollars to Moonie missionary programs, in the U.S. and in Africa.
Just one is “Free Teens USA,” run out of a Moonist’s house in New Jersey. It openly campaigns against “free sex,” which is Moon jargon for sex beyond the bounds of his purifying mass weddings. In fact, Moon ranted about “free sex” at a notorious Washington Times dinner party in 1997, which you can watch here.
I was reading the tax forms today, and it looks like it’s received close to $2 million since Bush took over. Where does the money go?
John: One way that the right is attacking Obama is pointing out the close, close relationship with Pastor Wright.
Which political operative has the closest ties with Moon and can be held to the same standard they are holding for Obama? (And by the same standard I mean the “You knew he was saying crazy things for years and you did nothing!” standard.)
I ask this because you could provide a nice packaged example for the media when then need a balancing quote, “Well it’s not just Obama who associates people who have said crazy things…” This gives them their beloved balance and their X vs. Y frame work. Maybe some nice YouTube video of the Crowning moment with a good English translation.
Who are these politicians?
What is the outrageous quote?
What line did they use to get out of associating with Moon before? Will that line still work in the post-Wright world?
Can we suggest the press go back to them and ask them again?
Will one or two politician have a harder time decoupling themselves from Moon?
Who are they?
Why should the media care if some politician have links to Moon? Have they decided this is a non-story because they can’t see any damage Moon is doing? Do you think they simply put it into the “well he has his free speech” catagory and look the other way?
John - did the Moonies give you a hard time during your reporting? I know you spent years on this project and I’m wondering about the safety of such an undertaking.
Gawd, spocko, I don’t see how they can do the “well he has his free speech” thing after the Obama “pastor problem” horseshit.
At least not logically, consistently, or ethically.
But I guess we are talking abou the “Drudge rules our world” media, aren’t we?
Nevermind.
Is there anyway to tie McCain to Moon?
Hi, Spocko, great handle. The Washington Times’s old gossip columnist, Charlotte Hays (she actually wrote a New Republic piece called “I Was A Moonie Gossip Columnist”) joked that the paper was a place for “free market conservatives to escape the free market.”
It has lost close to $3 billion since it founded in 1982–pure Rev. Moon welfare for right-wing Republicans. William F. Buckley once asked a Vanity Fair reporter, incredulously, something like, “are we really going to rely on South Korean philanthropy?”
Of course, it’s much more complex than that. The real money source has always been Japan, not South Korea. The church has sensibly avoided bad PR in the U.S. by toning down the American recruitment and concentrating on separating desperate widows in Japan from their life savings; the highest courts in that country have held the Unification Church responsible for such swindling, the estimated profits of which are astonishingly high.
The Washington Post once talked about something like $400 million a year being raised in Japan through these “donations,” which are frequently obtained by scaring vulnerable members of society out of their wits. One lady parted with her husband’s life insurance policy after the Moonies introduced her to a fake Buddhist sage, The Great Nagayoshi.
Well, the Great Nagayoshi made contact with the spirit world and informed the woman that her husband’s fate was too terrible to contemplate. The great teacher was able to make out only a few words–something like, Give $50,000 to the Unification Church.
We can so run with this Moon discredits the morality movement just by being involved and he discredits government giving money to religious groups.
The there was no way we could have seen that government money for faith based initiatives would go to the Moonies excuse will not play, we can get rid of this GOP waste of money.
Welcome John.
You must laugh when you hear the right wing crazies when they talk about Rev. Wright in the way they do, especially since they’ve had Rev. Moon in their back pocket for years.
“Mr Jones” is not afraid of Moonies, just brothers who don’t put up with honkey bullshet.
How did a Japanese criminal organization come up with the idea to bankroll a conman claiming to be Jesus a western deity they were not all that familiar with.
Or is the huckster Preacher prevalent in all cultures.
“At least not logically, consistently, or ethically.”
There you go, applying logic and ethics to these people.
:-)
I asked all these questions so that John could give us his a counter point examples that can be dropped into these current stories.
I think some people in the media would be happy to have some counter on the right to this Obama/pastor linking.
What they are saying is “Obama heard someone say really bad things and didn’t stand up and say, “No! That is anti-American!”
So let’s apply that to Republicans and Moon. And take it to the same people who are screaming now . “Senator, you heard Moon say, And I quote…’insert crazy quote’ Why didn’t you stand up and say. No! That is un-American!”
Raven, the place is Lake Chongpyeong, east of Seoul, I think–not far from where they film that famous soap opera, Winter Sonata.
That’s a rhetorical question, right?
Mr Jones?
Spocko, be sure to check yesterday’s post on that point. It’s chock-a-block with anti-American stuff from Moon.
Thanks, I had never heard of that. The last Korean production I saw was Slimido about the Blue House raid and the planned SK response.
An international religious con run over this many years? There are other ways to steal money easier ways but this was VERY creative.
Ballad of a Thin Man
Dylan
Inscrutable one might say.
But only Obama’s preacher gets called out for that.
Dave. Will do. Now all we need is some good YouTube video of Moon saying those quotes in an angry voice and they pan the crowd and see Neil Bush, GHW Bush and David Brooks in the audience.
See my note at 14. Not Neil, but George HW Bush. Unbelievable, and much better quality than YouTube.
The Bush family is most closely tied with Moon, having accepted millions of dollars from him and traveled (in the case of George Sr., Barbara and Neil) to the ends of the earth on his behalf.
But so is everyone in Washington who relies on the Washington Times to get a message out, whether it’s fake journalism about WMDs in Iraq or the War on Christmas. The paper is quoted constantly in the conservative world as a wellspring of stories the Right wants to talk about–whether it’s the War On Christmas or magically disappearing WMDs–and progressives ought to demand that Sun Myung Moon get his due each time as the man behind the story.
When the Times is pressuring someone to renounce the latest heresy, it ought to be asked why conservatives won’t renounce Sun Myung Moon. Many are afraid to. Just look at Ken Grubbs, the only “movement conservative” brave enough to question Moon’s influence in Washington, D.C. after the coronation. He was fired for it by Ron Robinson, head of the Young America’s Foundation that arranges campus visits by such luminaries as Ann Coulter and David Horowitz.
In 1989, John Judis (now at TNR) reported in U.S. News & World Report that Moon’s church has “connections in almost every conservative organization in Washington, including the Heritage Foundation.” So you really can’t miss Moon.
Ok good poem but I just don’t get what your trying to say. Sometimes I think I’m to literal.
Didn’t the Yakuza the Japanese military and the Nazi’s coordinate during WW2?
Bush’s grandfather was their American finance guy. I’m wondering are they still conspiring for their old goals
Sorry, I’m saying what George Allen called “the real America” isn’t worried about these kinds of hucksters but they are scared to death of a militant black man who would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.
John, I’m about a third of the way through, can’t put it down.
I’m amazed that he’s been flying under the radar for so long.
Some questions you may answer further into the book:
How involved is W with Moon? I know his father is locked in tight.
How can these people believe the utter %*$&%* he calls his creed?
Is he stoppable? how is his health now? Who is his successor?
Thank you for your work.
Dave, thanks for being here. You are just the right person for this book :)
Mr Jones was a metaphor Dylan used to describe middle class Americans who were bewildered by the changes happening in the 60’s.
Actually, Middle America is very much afraid of these people. Many a churchgoer grew up watching films about the dangers of cults. But the East Coast media is out of touch with just how scandalous groups like the Moonies are to most Americans, who take it for granted that their politicos are out there defending Christianity, instead of fawning over Rev. Moon, its sworn enemy.
I stand corrected and hope you are right.
I know there are many historical figures who have been afflicted with mental illness or syphilis. Are you aware of anything like that with Moon? He seems so genuinely crazy… and sadistic. He’s obsessed with destroying sexual freedom, even within marriage.
Great point! while the “sophisticates” tend to poo-poo such issues, folks here in the Middle don’t want their kids taken by these crazies.
We should remember this as we raise the issue.
(and folks, add Diggs - let’s get John’s book more visibility! I’m also doing an Amazon review on it … it’s very good and I want to see if read)
Good Zapata quote:)
Around 1973-74, there was a big moonie conference in Barrytown, NY at an estate owned by Moon (I think it was an old convent). Moon addressed his followers for HOURS, in Korean with a translator. One of his major themes was that his followers MUST support Richard Nixon. A lot of the things you’re reading about on the net, I heard the man say. There was a group of Japanese men that he addressed in Japanese (those remarks were not translated), but the whole thing had the feel of a general giving his army their marching orders) and their response was in unison, with a deep bow. It was very spooky. I had attended this “conference” because I was invited…and hey, I was young and it was a trip to NY. I left there as soon as I could, and never had anything to do with that group again. I knew then and continue to be convinced that they are very dangerous.
“Most people would rather die than think: many do. … “It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.” — Emiliano Zapata. .
John - Welcome to the Lake
not sure the blood pressure will hold throughout the book but eagerly await it’s arrival - thank you so much for this
first encountered your work when I googled David Caprara - (that’s right firedogs, W appointed a moonie to head VISTA/War On Poverty) he is currently collecting welfare checks at Brookings
Rev Moon is everywhere - Railia Odinga - the Kenyan opposition candidate receives regular support from the True Parent
Hi Siun: Yes, the Moonies reacted by purchasing the domain name Gorenfeld.com. It’s now just a bald eagle, but at one time it featured a sort of deranged “John Gorenfeld Journalism Hall Of Fame.” The gist of it was that “John Gorenfeld could be a good journalist if he tries to be more patriotic, like our favorite journalists,” one of which was Peggy Noonan.
A little before Gorenfeld.com went online, I had traced control of the site to a Des Moines GOP official and ardent Moonie, David Payer. When I phoned him up, before I had a chance to identify myself, he said in this very cold, John Malkovich way: “Hello, John,” and proceeded to explain that he wanted to give me my “15 minutes of fame” by telling the world what a bad journalist I was.
Then a friend of his e-mailed me claiming I was “headed for a very stinky place,” and asked if I was haunted in my sleep by visions of the hordes screaming “false messiah” at prophets burning on stakes. It was kinda odd.
Does this creep any relationship with Murdock?
“Most people would rather die than think: many do. …” I wonder if brainwashing or indifference/accepting orders without thinking is worse.
Thanks, all Amazon reviews much appreciated. Currently there’s a two-star review up there by Gordon L. Anderson, a cult official who used to run a sham academic organization, the “Professors World Peace Academy.”
How creepy.
Incidentally, John does have more details about the ugly and semi-threatening e-mail in the book. It’s really quite creepy, and clearly echoes the kinds of threats that came the way of parents who were trying to get their kids out of the church.
John have you regained control of that domain?
Thank you John for sticking with this story … it’s important and you’ve done it justice!
John, I read awhile back–maybe a year ago–that there is a serious backlash to Moon in Japan and that the political climate was against him. What are the chances of his funding sources in Japan drying up in the near future?
FWIW, while McCain’s ties to the Moonies are pretty thin, there is an important Moonie connection to the current presidential campaign: The Washington Times’ role as the originator of the “Obama is a Muslim” theme.
My first exposure to the Moonies was back in the 70’s when a reporter for our college newspaper wrote an “investigative” story on the local crop of Moonies. They got a lawyer involved, there were legal (and other) threats made and police got in the picture. Sunshine is apparently not their favorite disinfectant.
Between L. Ron Hubbard and Sunny Moon I’m not sure who does crazy better, but I am pretty sure that Moon wins in the money-power-influence department.
Mommybrain, really appreciate it. How involved is W.: He’s inherited his father’s awkward duty of appeasing Moon to keep the money flowing. I document a few favors he’s done the True Father, including the government contracting I touch on above.
The Moon organization has worked closely with W.’s Faith-Based office; Bush appointed a longtime Moon political operative to head the AmeriCorps VISTA office; and then there’s the mysterious case of Josette Shiner Sheeran, another longtime Moonist lieutenant.
Decades ago, her father, a powerful New Jersey politician and ex-FBI agent, had stormed a Moonie dormitory, searching for his three daughters, who had all joined the cult. For years she was apparently a liaison between the Washington Times and Moon, but now claims to have left the church.
She held a State Department position for a while, and her former Moonie spiritual advisor somehow landed on the State Department phone tree in her same department too. More recently the John Bolton folks put her in charge of the U.N. World Food Program; the White House asked the Washington Post not to report the embarrassing Moon connection, but the paper did anyway.
Most amazing is a weird 2001 inaugural prayer breakfast in which a bunch of Southern Baptist leaders claimed to have been fooled by Doug Wead (the Bush family’s link to the Religious Right) into attending a prayer meeting headed by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon. John Ashcroft and others stopped by.
How involved is W with Moon? I know his father is locked in tight.
How can these people believe the utter %*$&%* he calls his creed?
Is he stoppable? how is his health now? Who is his successor?
Lindy, that’s fascinating. I have a whole chapter, “God Forgives Richard Nixon,” about the cult’s outrageous plan to save the Nixon presidency and make Moon a national hero. Garry Wills wrote an essay about it.
Yeah, L. Ron Hubbard could only dream of the influence Moon has. While the Scientologists are out in Santa Monica luring people into fake acting workshops, the Moonies are where the power really is: publishing the president’s favorite newspaper and jet-setting around the world with the Bush family.