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Vive Jean McCain, Et Vive La France!

By: Jane Hamsher Friday March 21, 2008 2:13 pm

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138 Responses to “Vive Jean McCain, Et Vive La France!”

AZ Matt March 21st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
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Jane!

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perris March 21st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
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wow, I wonder if obama will approve that message

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bigbrother March 21st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
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Hi French Fries?

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Twain March 21st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
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Jane, that is wonderful. Thanks for the laugh.

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AZ Matt March 21st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
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That Was Hilarious!

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Bustednuckles March 21st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
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Airbus, when you absolutely need the campaign cash delivered on time.

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Smgumby March 21st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
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Viva!

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Quebecois March 21st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
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Hi Jane, great video. Wish they’d take a francophone to imitate the french…

Is the le part of the joke, or would the corrct la be welcomed?

I knoe, I bitch too much. ;-)

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Bustednuckles March 21st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
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In response to Quebecois @ 8

It’s part of the charm.

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
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cheese eating surrender monkeys
hahahahahahaha,the French were right about Iraq,and sooooo many other things
hahahahahahaha

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AZ Matt March 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
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Now if they fill those planes up with some good French vino before they send them over here that would be nice. Nothing like buying bulk!

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cinnamonape March 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
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Vive La Tete de Pomme Frites!

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
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my friends husband was cfo of Airbus

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ebgill March 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
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It’s La France>

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
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In response to cinnamonape @ 12

do you know the propper way to make them…first the ice water…teh goood!

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cinnamonape March 21st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
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“Une Nouveau Scandale McCain: La “lobbyist” et le “French Lettres”

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Quebecois March 21st, 2008 at 2:28 pm
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In response to Bustednuckles @ 9

I’m no prince though.

Man, I’m bitching about french, and I can’t even put up one post in acceptable english…

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Eureka Springs March 21st, 2008 at 2:29 pm
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Shorter McCain when you need to throw ten thousand American jobs under one bus.

Airbus

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Twain March 21st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
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In response to Eureka Springs @ 18

good talking point for Obama.

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Quebecois March 21st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
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ES!!!!

How’s the flooding?

Good one!

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
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In response to Quebecois @ 17

you do fine,and my French is abysmal,but i read it ,much better than i speak it

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LS March 21st, 2008 at 2:33 pm
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Tweety is going after McCain and quoting Hagee…

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solai March 21st, 2008 at 2:34 pm
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I wonder if MSNBC will show this like they showed Laura Ingraham’s Obama smear yesterday. All in the interest of informing the public, of course.

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:34 pm
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on good friday…really good French Fries…enjoy!

http://www.ehow.com/how_209110…..fries.html

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Hmmm March 21st, 2008 at 2:35 pm
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Jean McCain ne regrets rein.

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cinnamonape March 21st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
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BTW On the Obama passport issue…why would a firm whose sole job is to print-up and send passports have the access to the “passport file”? Wouldn’t they only, legitimately, have information that is contained on the actual passport? One’s SS#, and even permanent address is not actually ON the passport…unless it is encrypted.

So what is in the encrypted strip? Shouldn’t we be told what information might be accessed by foreign gov’ts that have scanners, or the prying eyes of contract companies, or people that have those bar code readers?

And why should any contractor have access to the complete file, shouldn’t information about visa applications and travel to other countries, and movements on expired passports, be firewalled. The information on the passport itself should be all that is accessible to the contractor.

Otherwise there is room for tremendous mischief and abuse. Wish the names of those fired were released.

Here’s the Financial Contributions of the CEO of Stanley, Inc.

Philip Nolan

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
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Wow. This ain’t gonna play good at home…

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solai March 21st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
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On the serious side, can this decision be reversed? There was talk yesterday to have congress de-fund this. Is that possible?
One more question: Did Lou Dobbs mention this?

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bonkers March 21st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
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HA! What a great ad! Can’t wait until we can all rally around running CrazyTrain off the rails.

Stuff like that and this new Obama ad that started today in Penn gets my hopes up for Nov:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talk…..pennsy.php

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john in sacramento March 21st, 2008 at 2:37 pm
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O/T

Tsunami victims flooded again

http://www.sciam.com/video.cfm…..6819E61E1C

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:37 pm
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In response to cinnamonape @ 26

he loves him some Short Ride….hahahahaha

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
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In response to solai @ 28

oh my…he might need some mood elevators

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LS March 21st, 2008 at 2:39 pm
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In response to cinnamonape @ 26

They didn’t have authorization for access…somehow they breached the firewall or were given the codes.

Stanley, Inc. is an IT company.

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
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In response to cinnamonape @ 26

Big surprise that the CEo is a GOP donor…biiiiig surprise

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stagemom March 21st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
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In response to ebgill @ 14

ze country, she is female.

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
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In response to LS @ 33

They also outsource and have been rewarded (as of march 18th) and 520 million contract to continue Passport support.

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LS March 21st, 2008 at 2:43 pm
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In response to wobblybits @ 36

Maybe they are one of those “other” companies spying on Americans…

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ironranger March 21st, 2008 at 2:44 pm
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That’s a terrific ad, love it.

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 2:44 pm
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The Associated Press later identified Stanley, Inc. as the Virginia-based contractor whose two employees were terminated. One prescient blogger who guessed correctly that Stanley was the contractor in question noted that its CEO is a GOP donor:
…[O]ne thing that would add to the appearance of impropriety is that CEO Nolan has, according to the Open Secrets database, been a campaign contributor to Sen. Joe Lieberman, a leading supporter of Obama’s Republican adversary John McCain. In March 2005 Nolan gave $1,000 to Lieberman’s reelection campaign.

The NBC News ‘Deep Background’ blog has more on Stanley, Inc.

more here

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
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In response to LS @ 37

i wouldn’t put it pass them

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GregB March 21st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
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In response to stagemom @ 35

Vive la France.

-G

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Twain March 21st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
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In response to wobblybits @ 36

Do we know who these “contractors” actually are? Do they have security clearance? Are they just ordinary people hired by Stanley? We need to know this stuff.

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GregB March 21st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
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Boy, sure are a lot of imprudently curious low level employees at Stanley Inc.

-G

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LS March 21st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
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In response to Twain @ 42

Cruise around their website:

http://jobs-stanleyassociates……/intro.jsp

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
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In response to ironranger @ 38

uh oh made me tear up! beautiful

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Dakinikat March 21st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
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In response to Twain @ 42

Passport scandal leads to Virginia contractor, Stanley 21 Mar 2008 Two of the government contractors who allegedly took a peek at Sen. Barack Obama’s passport records worked for a Virginia-based firm called Stanley, Inc., according to U.S. government officials with knowledge of the State Department passport controversy. Stanley, Inc., is headquartered in Arlington, Va. The State Department awarded it a contract for $164 million in 2006. The contract called for Stanley to print and mail millions of new U.S. passports.

2 Fired in Passport Case With Va. Firm 21 Mar 2008 The Associated Press has learned [CLG reported it first] that the two contractors fired for snooping into Barack Obama’s passport records worked for a Virginia-based company called Stanley Inc. Earlier this week, the 3,500-person company won a five-year, $570-million contract to support passport services at the State Department.

Stanley Awarded $570 Million Contract to Continue Support of Passport Program –Over 15-Year History of Providing Passport Services Continues 17 Mar 2008 Stanley, Inc., a leading provider of systems integration and professional services to the U.S. federal government, today announced that it was awarded a five-year, $570 million contract to continue support of the U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs/Passport Services Directorate. Services include production, operational and business process support training, procurement, administration and evaluation of critical supplies, and facilities management support at the four Passport Centers and 14 Passport Agencies nationwide along with the Headquarters’ support offices.

What does Stanley do for the Government? (justiceatstanley.org) All of Stanley’s revenue (sales) comes from contracting with various agencies within the federal government. As of March 31, 2007, Stanley had two-hundred contracts with forty federal agencies, including Defense, State, Homeland Security, Health & Human Services, Treasury, NASA, and Justice. The Department of Defense is Stanley’s largest customer overall, but its single biggest contract is with the State Department for the provision of passport processing and support services.

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egregious March 21st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
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In response to GregB @ 43

Sure are a lot of imprudently incurious managers too.

What are we paying the management staff for, if not to train people properly and monitor what’s going on?

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
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In response to Twain @ 42

Dunno, they’re (reporters and bloggers) still digging. The state dept refused to release the name of the contractor (but they found out anyway) and refuse to release any info on the individuals involved.

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LS March 21st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
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But, but, but they only looked at passports of people who have AQ ties overseas….right?

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egregious March 21st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
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In response to Dakinikat @ 46

Can you please provide a link for that? Thanks.

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neurophius March 21st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
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And now, we are proud to present…

The Straight Talk Airbus

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
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Well well according to NBC

A worker at a second contracting company, not related to Stanley, Inc., also allegedly took a look at the Obama files and those belonging to Sen. John McCain. That person has been disciplined but not yet been fired, State Department officials say.

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
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In response to egregious @ 47

i for one dont buy it…because the dates coincide with big wins,as KO explained….me no buy it

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Dakinikat March 21st, 2008 at 2:52 pm
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In response to egregious @ 50

http://www.legitgov.org/

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cinnamonape March 21st, 2008 at 2:52 pm
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In response to LS @ 33

They didn’t have authorization for access…somehow they breached the firewall or were given the codes.

Stanley, Inc. is an IT company.

This doesn’t sound simply like a “curiosity…they peeked” thing. It sounds as if they had to make a volitional effort to penetrate into the files.

George W. Bush has kept his passport files secret for decades. He wouldn’t reveal the fact that he flew into Central America in the mid-1970’s using his suspended Air Force flying license to pick-up and deliver “specialty horticultural products”. He has successfully blocked any curiosity into this, or his trip to the Far East. This was done so successfully that the myth that Bush had never travelled abroad until he was governor was perpetuated and fostered.

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
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In response to wobblybits @ 52

According to federal campaign records, Stanley’s CEO, Philip Nolan, has made political contributions to prominent Republican candidates and also gave $1,000 to Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign on Feb. 20, 2008

same link as #52

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LS March 21st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
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Here is what Stanley does:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=sxe

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
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In response to LS @ 57

and i thought they made hammers…stoopit me

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Petrocelli March 21st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
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In response to sadlyyes @ 53

.. and I might add, we have to look at the breach of McCain/HRC as being smoke for a cover up … not that they had anything to do with it, just that whoever did this might be using them as decoy …

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
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In response to wobblybits @ 56

was she the only dem?

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:56 pm
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In response to Petrocelli @ 59

seems like Obama was the BIG catch …yes

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 2:57 pm
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In response to LS @ 57

jeebus, they have their hands in lots of places. Military and state dept, me no likey that combo

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Riesz Fischer March 21st, 2008 at 2:59 pm
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In response to wobblybits @ 27

Waddya mean, “at home”? Are you French? Et tu Francaise?

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 2:59 pm
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In response to sadlyyes @ 60

Thus so far, she is the only one listed but that may change as the story develops

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egregious March 21st, 2008 at 2:59 pm
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In response to Dakinikat @ 54

Thanks, Dakinikat!

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 2:59 pm
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is it too early to post an off topic?

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moeman March 21st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
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Jane! (version Française).

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cinnamonape March 21st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
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I couldn’t find Nolan’s contribution to the Clinton Campaign but here’s some interesting stuff about the PAC that Nolan contributes to…with the names of more “Stanley, Inc.” employees.

Professional Services Council PAC

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
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In response to RieszFischer @ 63

Nope…as far as I know my family (brasilian) has dutch, german, african and indigenous so no french here. Home meant (USA) that vidoe is not going to play well to the folks who lost their jobs overseas

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Loo Hoo. March 21st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
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OT-Blackwater also has Greystone.

Unlike Blackwater, Greystone has managed to stay almost entirely out of public view, and it remains a mystery even to industry insiders. Doug Brooks, president of the International Peace Operations Association, a trade group of which Greystone was a member until late last year, couldn’t say what the company does. (Blackwater pulled out of the group last October after the ipoa launched an investigation into its conduct; Greystone followed suit in November.) Neither could R.J. Hillhouse, a political scientist and private-security expert who follows the industry closely. Even a spokesman for the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, which has issued contracts to Blackwater on which Greystone works as a subcontractor, admits he has never heard of the company.

Despite—or perhaps because of—its close-to-the-vest MO, the company has built up a certain mystique. One contractor we spoke to said he was present when Greystone managers arrived to claim their office space at Blackwater’s Baghdad headquarters. They were a different breed from the “yee-haw cowboys” that filled Blackwater’s ranks, and their tattoos indicated backgrounds in elite military units like Marine Recon, the Navy seals, and the Green Berets. “They didn’t talk to the other Americans,” he said, let alone foreigners. “They had different bodies, different mentalities, and used different language. They had a different professional attitude.”

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neurophius March 21st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
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I have been trying to Digg this post, but Digg keeps inviting me to join Digg, when I am already a member.

Perhaps someone else could Digg it.

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
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In response to RieszFischer @ 63

Nao, sou brasiliera. (I’m brasilian)

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
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In response to cinnamonape @ 68

This was according to federal Campaing records per NBC (see link @52)

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GregB March 21st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
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In response to egregious @ 47

Wouldn’t be prudent.

-G

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Bustednuckles March 21st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
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In response to sadlyyes @ 58

If all they have are government contract then those must be those six hundred dollar hammers we all heard about.

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neurophius March 21st, 2008 at 3:05 pm
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I’d like to see Henry Waxman hammer Stanley Inc. before his committee.

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GregB March 21st, 2008 at 3:05 pm
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In response to Petrocelli @ 59

Clearly the case.

Especially the McCain one.

“See, everyone was victimized by these imprudently curious low level employees!”

-G

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RBG March 21st, 2008 at 3:05 pm
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In response to wobblybits @ 52

Thanks for the link. It’s been added to the front page news box.

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 3:05 pm
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In response to Bustednuckles @ 75

i bet they cost 6,000,now,or mebbe 6 million…eggs cost 3 bux “g”

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 3:06 pm
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In response to neurophius @ 76

hahahahahahahaha
teh good one

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Fern March 21st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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In response to GregB @ 43

Boy, sure are a lot of imprudently curious low level employees at Stanley Inc.

All of them imprudently curious about the same thing.

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Dakinikat March 21st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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In response to egregious @ 65

yw, its a good site, Lori does a good job researching things

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john in sacramento March 21st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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In response to cinnamonape @ 55

George W. Bush has kept his passport files secret for decades. He wouldn’t reveal the fact that he flew into Central America in the mid-1970’s using his suspended Air Force flying license to pick-up and deliver “specialty horticultural products”. He has successfully blocked any curiosity into this, or his trip to the Far East. This was done so successfully that the myth that Bush had never travelled abroad until he was governor was perpetuated and fostered.

That’s right; I had forgotten about both of those stories

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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OT if anybody is interested

http://www.politico.com/news/s…../9149.html

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Badwater March 21st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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In response to neurophius @ 76

Taking action makes Nancy unhappy.

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Fern March 21st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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By the way, anyone know exactly what is IN a person’s passport file?

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
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In response to Fern @ 81

funny dat

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Quebecois March 21st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
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In response to sadlyyes @ 21

Thanks, the thing is with the quality of english present here, I know I’m way outclassed and deficient. Extremely intimidating.

I do appreciate the compliment.

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
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In response to Fern @ 86

i am unfortunately un curious

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egregious March 21st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
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In response to Fern @ 86

By the way, anyone know exactly what is IN a person’s passport file?

Stanley employees?

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Badwater March 21st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
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In response to john in sacramento @ 83

To paraphrase Nixon, when a Republic does it, that means it is not hiding something.

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
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In response to Quebecois @ 88

not really,specially when the peeps have had a few….snicker

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martha March 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
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In response to sadlyyes @ 84

Great minds…I was thinking about posting this too. Interesting that they’d actually jump out front on this. Their coverage usually makes my teeth hurt.

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
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In response to cinnamonape @ 68

When I did my own search via Newsmeat, it did not list any contributions to Clinton, but I’m still searching other databases to make sure

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Petrocelli March 21st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
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In response to Quebecois @ 88

After 8 years of Bush hacking the English Language to bits, no one will make fun of you …

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maryo2 March 21st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
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Stanley Inc. may have covered up because Monday March 17, 2008, Stanley Inc. (SXE) announced that it received a five-year $570 million contract to continue provide support service for U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs/Passport Services Directorate.

Then, three days later, on Thursday, Barack Obama was notified about the breach.

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
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In response to martha @ 93

after the little unpleasentness the other day,i was gonna pass,but hell,its still america ,no?

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
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i hungry and know not what to eat

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martha March 21st, 2008 at 3:15 pm
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In response to sadlyyes @ 97

Si!

Heck, we all have those days. Even the crankiest of us (aka me) deserve another turn!

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Bluetoe2 March 21st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
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Pretty funny but another thing to remember that in France the government is affraid of the people and in the States the people are affraid of the government. Americans are willing sheep, complacent and compliant. If the French government did 1/3 of what is acceptable to Americans the people would storm the modern day equivalent of the Bastille.

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Beerfart Liberal March 21st, 2008 at 3:18 pm
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anybody know how to say “quarter pounder with cheese” in french?

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sadlyyes March 21st, 2008 at 3:18 pm
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In response to Bluetoe2 @ 100

true

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:18 pm
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In response to sadlyyes @ 98

I’ve been claening and dehydrating stuff all week (crackers, cocoa cereal, etc.) But I hate it when i’m hungry and don’t know what I want to eat

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GregB March 21st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
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In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 101

Royale avec frommage.

-G

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
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In response to Petrocelli @ 95

or as mr wobbs says: he speaks the fool’s english

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Beerfart Liberal March 21st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
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In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 101

thanks. ’cause they have the metric system and they wouldn’t know what tne fuck a quatrter pounder is.

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Beerfart Liberal March 21st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
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i just been watching fox news. that guy john “there’s a war on xmas” gibson … has he ever gotten worst person in the world award? if not, he should.

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
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In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 107

Oh, many times, many times. He’s just been recently cancelled by Fox due to low ratings (have no idea as to when this goes into effect)

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Beerfart Liberal March 21st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
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i just can’t get into march madness this year

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Badwater March 21st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
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In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 107

Google -> “worst person in the world” “john gibson”
Many hits!

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Beerfart Liberal March 21st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
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In response to wobblybits @ 108

cancelled? finally!! he’s just a …… a really can’t think of a single word to describe him. he’s both nasty and ignorant. guess what he was talking about today? three guesses.

(first 2 don’t count)

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
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In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 109

my freaking team lost first game so I could care less now

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
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In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 111

ummm errrr uhhhhh ummmmm gosh what could a right wing racist nut job be talking about…..hmmmmm it boggles the mind

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Beerfart Liberal March 21st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
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In response to Badwater @ 110

thanks. i honestly thought nobody was even paying attention to him.

mabe scumbag is the word i was looking for to descibe him.

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Beerfart Liberal March 21st, 2008 at 3:28 pm
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In response to wobblybits @ 113

take your time. i know it’s hard. no rush. it’ll come to you sooner or later.

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Quebecois March 21st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
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In response to Petrocelli @ 95

After 8 years of Bush hacking the English Language to bits, no one will make fun of you

Yeah, lowest common denominator. I wouldn’t mind somebody laughing at me that much. However, i’m sure it irks a few to bits, I never use a spellcheck, in fact, I don’t even have one.

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dmac March 21st, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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wobbly at 103-i eat nuts and fruit when i feel like that……

did you get the recipe i left you a few days ago?

was from when i used to eat raw foods.

raw banana pie–

bananas, mashed

little bit of rice milk (liquid)

crust is finely chopped dates or figs and finely chopped nuts

put date mixture in pie plate or dish, moosh it across bottom and up the sides, pat it down FIRMLY.

pour in bananas

freeze

cut when half-frozen.

really gotta lean on it hard to cut through the crust.

if you use oils, oil the bottom of the dish.

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LS March 21st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
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In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 101

Queteur Peundeur

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Badwater March 21st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
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On Yahoo

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi slammed Chinese “oppression” in Tibet on Friday as thousands of Tibetan exiles cheered her arrival in this Indian hill town to meet the Dalai Lama

Why can’t she consistently say anything newsworthy about Bush/Cheney here?

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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Cinnamon–

found the clinton contribution at opensecrets.org. Just typed in Philip Nolan and here was the result

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dmac March 21st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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wobbly–can always use agar witha little water under crust, too.

i still use that for cakes and things instead of spray or butter.

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:37 pm
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In response to dmac @ 117

ooooh yummy. I didn’t see your recipe thanks :) I’m experimenting with a brownie recipe that is ‘cooked’ in the dehydrator (i’m getting close)

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Beerfart Liberal March 21st, 2008 at 3:39 pm
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i googled “john gibson worst person in te world” (i learnt on Lexis back in te day when everuyrthing had to be boolean. much easier now)

has any one kept count of how many times various people have won?

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wobblybits March 21st, 2008 at 3:39 pm
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In response to dmac @ 121

mmmmm I made some fig type bars for mr wobbs using raw almonds that I dehydrated then pulsed to flour and mixed with aguave and a few other things, re-dehydrated and had yummy crust.

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dmac March 21st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
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keep falling behind today, other things in the mix-i’m catching up on comments, but so far, no description on what the video was-usually jane puts up a description-i’m on dial-up

what was it?

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greenwarrior March 21st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
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In response to LS @ 118

Queteur Peundeur

Suite!

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Hugh March 21st, 2008 at 3:48 pm
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I’m feeling smart. I cruised the Stanley site last night after doing a little googling.

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dmac March 21st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
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wobbly–yeah, i saw you said that the other day, good luck

i had a friend here that has eaten nothing but raw for years and years……

i did years ago before there was name for it……..

i even sprouted wheat and ground it and made crackers in my dehydrator, they were good……now they’re made locally by two bakeries and you can buy them at the grocery…….well, not sprouted grain, but whole grain with sesame.

i even made ’slow baked’ bread.

i left you a message that day about there is a temperature you can go up to, without killing the enzymes in your food, but i dont’ remember what it is.

here-just found what i wrote the other day—

the patties in the last paragraph you might be able to do in the dehydrator or slow oven they are really good. i soaked the seeds with the oats, they plump up.

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thanks wobbly, i was a raw food eater for quite a while, years ago, before there was a name for it…….for the enzymes. even knew what temperature killed them, don’t remember now……made a killer frozen pie with mashed up bananas and a little rice milk and crust was chopped up dates or figs and nuts, almost too sweet to eat….another thing was soaked oats with sunflower seeds, patties, quickly brown it…that was one thing i did cook.

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LS March 21st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
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In response to Hugh @ 127

How did you figure it out?

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tbsa March 21st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
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In response to Badwater @ 119

That’s the million dollar question. I’d love an answer to it.

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Hugh March 21st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
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In response to LS @ 129

I used some strings like Bureau of Consular Affairs and contracts and came across a mention that they had been given a contract. From there I googled the site.

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LS March 21st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
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I have a sensitivity to a lot of raw veggies and fruits and I’ve been told it is because of the enzymes (my mouth itches and my lip swells a little), because I can eat them if they have been heated up…weird. The worst thing that I miss is avocado :(…I used to be able to eat all of those things when I was a kid…but not raw anymore.

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LS March 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
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In response to Hugh @ 131

Good on you!

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dmac March 21st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
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ls– i have never heard of that, but my best friend reminds me often that you can be allergic to anything.

my sympathies, ls.

and avocado isn’t the best cooked, is it?

so, are you sure it isn’t the different phytochemicals in the veggies? the thing that gives them their color?

there is a list of them, i wonder if that has something to do with it.

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dmac March 21st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
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LS

i don’t know if heat affects phytochemicals, i’ll find out…….you’ve got me wonderin’…..

and they aren’t just about color, but that is how most people understand what they are.

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arcadesproject March 21st, 2008 at 5:05 pm
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Isn’t Airbus a British/French joint venture? Thought I read that in The Economist

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Jkat March 21st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
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In response to arcadesproject @ 136

yeah arcades .. they’re somehow tied in with northrup-grumman on this deal .. but it doesn’t put any of the assembly or mfg. jobs back here .. i think it’s strictly a management-type relationship …

a few scraps to the dog kind of deal ..

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Jkat March 21st, 2008 at 11:18 pm
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vive jean mc cain .. viva et la france … and pass the buscuits please …

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