TBogg found this gem from Clown Hall, about really, truly true stuff we're all too political correct to bring up.
There are a few really truly true things the author missed, which I've taken the liberty to interject for them.
Congratulations. You just bought Bear Stearns. You, me and all taxpayers.
We're not getting any ownership, of course, no share of the investment firm that at the beginning of the month had a stock market value of $10.5 billion.
That prize goes to JPMorgan Chase, spending a symbolic $2 a share of its own stock, which on March 16, the day of the deal, amounted to a measly $236 million. Even if Bear Stearns shareholders succeed in pressuring JPMorgan to raise its price slightly by a few dollars, for the giant bank it's just pocket change.
U.S. taxpayers are assuming the real cost of JPMorgan's buy: up to $30 billion to cover losses from Bear Stearns' lousy, risky investments in mortgage-backed securities and even more exotic investment paper that had plunged in value.
But what's wrong with saying,
* You're about to lose your house because you got a subprime loan to buy a house $300,000 more than what you could afford. Sorry, but it's your own fault.
In August 2007, investigator Eric Bremner found evidence in a shredder at Olympic Escrow that he says confirmed borrowers' complaints that they had never signed the mortgage documents that pushed them into a financial hell.
Bremner found pieces of documents that had been cut to remove signatures and notary seals. Loan applications, escrow agreements and other documents had signatures that had been taped on, he said...
The group is accused of targeting unknowing homeowners whose homes had escalated in value by offering dreamlike mortgage refinancing offers, with promises of cash back and lower monthly payments, Bremner said.
Victims later learned they had been locked into high-interest rate loans, excessive fees and unfavorable terms. In some cases, the cash back never materialized.
Late Tuesday, the alleged ringleader in the scam, 25-year-old Eric Pony, and his sister, Paulette Pony, 23, turned themselves in to police to face charges including conspiracy, grand theft, forgery and elder abuse. Five other suspects were also arrested.
The Fed is trying to ensure no other investment firms suffer a Bear Stearns-style "run on the bank" in which trading partners collectively demand cash.
"It's like having a big brother stand behind you in the schoolyard," said Ray Stone of bond research firm Stone & McCarthy. "You're not going to get beat up."
In similar fashion, U.S. taxpayers have suddenly become financiers of last resort for investment banks, thanks to the Federal Reserve generously opening up its discount lending window to securities firms to the tune of $200 billion. offering to lend securities firms in return for their out-of-favor investments in mortgage-backed securities and corporate debt.
"By government giveaway programs, individuals are often hurt far more than they are helped. The recipients of these programs become dependent on the government and their dignity is destroyed. Is it compassionate to enslave more and more people by making them a part of the government dependency cycle? I think compassion should be measured by how many people no longer need it. Helping people to become self-sufficient is much more compassionate than drugging them with the narcotic of welfare." -- Rush Limbaugh
and by god, my housekeeper is going to be in the parking lot at Denny's as soon as I can get a hold of her to score me some of that welfare shit.
Government wealth transfers are destructive, not just to the productive people who have their money taken, but often to the people who receive the money as well. The aim of every government program we have to help the poor should not be to help them just get by; it should be to put them in a better position to help themselves. If you do nothing but teach people to stand around with their hands out, waiting for you to take care of them, you've created a beggar. If you teach people to take care of themselves, you've created a productive person who may actually be able to shoulder part of the burden in this country instead of being part of that burden themselves.
We should all have such a generous and strong Uncle Sam, backing up our investments, no matter how risky.
Shouldn't there be a price for such protection? If our money is assuming the risk of schoolyard muscle, shouldn't we at least have the right to prevent those we're protecting from engaging in reckless behavior?
It is not the government that makes this country great; it's the people. As long as the American people are, on the whole -- decent, ambitious, fiercely independent, relatively well educated, patriotic, and godly -- this country will do fine. But, if we become a nation of selfish, hedonistic, unpatriotic, irreligious takers, we are doomed to go into a steep decline.
Well, yeah. Hell, look at how it's going when it's just affluent Republicans behaving that way.
I skipped the Machiavelli and Friedman quotes, the Adams quote I think he missed the point of, the sniffy bit about businesses which lack of immigration enforcement over decades have allowed to build their businesses on immigrant labor, and the part about how if Those Other People aren't as successful as white guys it's because they're not Like white guys and how the problem with Iraq is that there isn't enough human suffering (although all other government spending is Bad).
Oh, and all of it's the fault of the DFHs and teh gays because we used to have standards.
Draw your own conclusions.
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julia!
Suzanne!
Repeat after Ian: “Privatize the profits, Socialize the costs.”
how’s the big apple tonight, julia?
Heh, ya beat me to the punch! Aloha, Julia and Suz!
“Privatize the profits,fuck the citizensSocialize the costsfuck the citizens.”It must be Friday Late Night…always a pleasure.
shiny and waxed.
Actually, it’s a Friday off for a lot of kids on Long Island, so a little more tiddly rowdiness on public transportation.
I want a rum and coke but that would mean I would have to get up.
This coming from Mr. Oxycontin…? Hello…
aw.
:)
Hey Suz, hey CT, hey MaryMc.
CT, Pele doin’ da hula, eh? You gettin’ the quakes and the sulphur down there?
when i think about this…i lose my mind i lost 300,000.[1999 dollars] when the tech bubble popped…nobody paid my margin calls,but the insiders were already out for sure
Not down here, but, Madame Pele and Halemaumau had quite the hiccup as those pictures point out…! ;-)
Mind if I fine tune things a little bit?
rum and coke sounds good
Glad you’re good. Somewhat glad I didn’t buy in Volcano village at the moment.
Mount Gay
I’m doing shrimp myself. With Rice and Green Salad.
That being said, With the full moon and ALLLLLL - Good Friday service today, finances, meaning having to do a dumb low paying job to make ends meet, this week in news — sound bites and actually reading articles, you all get the pix, I’m hesitant to join a thread with Truth and Consequences as the title.
I’ll dip my toes for a while.
Conservatives always blame the poor and the powerless.
Rush Limbaugh had a big pimple on his ass that prevented him from serving in Viet Nam. It was a really bad pimple. Rush got his start in life the old fashioned way - through inheritance. What? You didn’t get your inheritance?
not hot enough for rum and coke - tis a drink for hot, sultry summer nights with no air moving and it feels like steam is rising up from the bowels of the earth
So how come the world markets didn’t all come crumbling to dust this week? It can’t be that the USG did exactly the right thing with Bear Stearns, after all.
Has anyone seen this 7 l/2 minute video of the connection between Spitzer’s takedown and the predatory lending of the banks? We’re bailing out the lenders and to hell with the poor victims. I didn’t realize that the states and all of the state’s attorney generals were fighting this administrations enabling of the banks.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/291.html
that is my fave
See supra in re volcanoes.
I also like Ramos Gin Fizz thingies.
…by all means, please let’s be careful and dainty (at the same time) with fine-tuning…*g*
North Hilo or the Hamakua coastline is much better area…!
it aint over till the fat lady sings
When you do get up, get one for me too?
Youchy.
when i wanted to get out of those positions the manager of the firm,coaxed me into hanging on………arghhhhh i trust NONE of them
Careful…yes.
Dainty….don’t think that term’s ever been used to describe me before.
While your point has some validity, what will the USG when the next Investment Bank goes belly up? Shall the USG bail out each one? Do you think that BSC will be the only one?
If its good to bail out multi-million dollar investment houses, why is it not good to bail out the Joe Sixpacks?
When I read your words I was thinking about Mary’s gumbo…wrong comment in my head, or, er stomach.
Mary, I have some salmon in the fridge, do you think I should add some to my shrimp?
Suzanne - it got up to the 90’s here today, but thankfully, it’s cooled down now.
yes it has taken me 6 years to climb out of that deep hole,very hard lesson learned about INSIDERS of Wall Street
Yes to that. Now if Hilo town can just grow some Kona/West Maui style beaches in the next year or two, we are so there.
(Oh gawd, dig me, I’m like a 50 yr old man and here I am aping teen girl-speak. Just shoot me now.)
Oh, please, do.
yes…shrimp compliments fish imo
I haven’t watched the video yet, but was stunned to learn this is the exact topic Spitzer was discussing with congress in Feb., when he made his DC trip and called the escort service.
Hmmmm….fish and sweet potato fries with a salad of romaine/escarole/organic carrots/radishes….tonight’s dinner….is that what this thread is about?
I’m afraid the mods are martyrs to my clumsy coding.
if you are NOT an insider on Wall Street,you will be left holding the bag(empty of course)
Mine is not a happy 401K right now.
Yeah, his February 14th op-ed in the WaPo was about this exact thing. Nice to join the corporate media and pile on the “sinner”. Yeah, right.
Who the hell made the deal that we would back the Bear Stearns bailout without getting a piece of it? It’s ridiculous. We, the taxpayers, should own many shares at $2 each, so that assuming the bailout succeeds and the stock price goes up, we can get some of our money back.
Shorter Robber Barons: “Like cream, we rise always to the top.”
Shorter John and Jane Q Public: “How many times do we have to flush before it’s gone?”
Actually I did mean it’s exceedingly unlikely that USG did the right thing. And IANAEconomist but I would have expected investment banks lining up around the block for their chance to collapse by now. [Hm, why am I seeing the end of Fight Club (which I rewatched just last night) before my eyes?] I really am stumped as to why it stopped there, even if only for now.
Might I quote Cheney? “So”
the only folks happy are the ceo’s with their golden parachutes, and of course, those mega millionaires who still think they are 10ft tall and bulletproof from any downturns in the market
posted this before
http://www.ehow.com/how_209110.....fries.html
Jambalaya is on the menu tonite…!
Not exclusively.
It’s Basamati Rice, if you’re wondering.
:)
they are THIEVES period the end
prime rib here, ct
the privately held FEDERAL Reserve Bank
So, the ultimate “stratergy” is to destroy all of the Sunnis in Iraq…unite “them” (Iraqi-Shia) with the with the Iranians (go figure), in order to establish one huge oil-laden occupied Shia territory that the US controls….Forever…
There it is, in a nutshell.
If I were the Saudis, I’d huddle…
Now, how can that be good for the Saudis? You know, the Saudis, the “Sunni” ones that financed 9/11….that Bushco is both “family to” and “beholden to”? (shhhh…keep your enemies close to the vest)
Hmmm…Shia 20 - Sunni 0.
So, is the actual Neocon goal? To get rid of “all” Sunnis — establish all Shia controlled states that the US actually controls…so that China etal., can’t penetrate….????
What is black is white, white is black.
They have a plan to secure the oil forever in the M.E.
And it would appear “they” are making a heavy duty attempt to take down Paterson as well, based on something that showed up on teh internets today.
So does shit! And the crapper is clogged…!
Can I interest anyone in a pollo asado burrito from the corner?
Hi, Julia, Suzanne and RBG. I’ve missed everyone this week. Been working some crazy hours, so if I’m home I’m asleep or too brain dead to converse with any coherence.
Happy Friday! The wine’s open and I’m pouring.
Ooh, can I trade…? ;-)
the GREAT DEPRESSION took a year to enfold iirc
Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be one of the 10 great conservative truths.
I’m tentatively hopeful, though, that this is one of those moments in political history when the stuff they’re inbred enough to say disgusts enough people that it causes an uprising in the fall.
Strategy 101: When you have two parties to deal with, you can play them against each other.
That would be great wouldn’t it? Let’s see Gray, Siegelman, Spitzer and then Paterson. Nothing to see. Rove is out of the white house.
Good one.
Maybe this is just the PRETTY GOOD DEPRESSION, then.
Wine is good.
I read a lot of stuff after the conversation is over because I’m insanely busy while it’s going on. It happens.
token has already claimed dibs to any leftovers and goldie is in line for anything left after that
twas a plate i brought home from the market as a treat for myself - came with a slice of boston creme pie for dessert
we need OVERSIGHT…tighten up the SEC,so little prix like the chimperor cant get away with their Racketeering
Got ya!!! That’s Elizabethan English. The quote is from Macbeth: “Let’s not be dainty with leave-taking!”
Republicans believe in
Socialism for the Rich, Rugged Individualism for the Poor
i have no idea how things will unfold this time around
Yes, and no. They have a long-term agenda.
And who knows how many unknown/less known individuals, all with a (D) after their names?
good with cafe au lait….yummmmmm
Not sure I follow the part about how the US controls Iran in yr scenario… permanent threat of nuke-war? Invasion/occupation soon? All quite scary.
yummy for sure and the pups are not getting any of the dessert. that’s all mine!
i shall go make some green/chamomile tea a new Twinnings that was on sale…its pretty good anybody want some with honey from our LOCAL bees?
yea chocolate is TEH POISON for canines
That’s right. Socialism for the rich and Free Market Capitalism for the rest of us. Capitalism is a bitch when you have no Crystal Ball.
Hi Mods: Deja vu at 81, 82, 81, 82
am confused..you mean Obama is white? black? (couldn’t resist that one, sorry…*g*)
A hard refresh will get you fixed right up.
I’m not quite sure about the unknown/less persons with a D after their names. I do know that in certain areas we have repub’s masquerading as dem’s. In my own very republican area, we have some dem’s masquerading as repub’s.
What really struck me in the Spitzer/brass check tv piece I linked is that all US attorneys agreed with him against the administrations’ enabling the banks’ predatory lending practices.
Mr wobbs: grilled marinated NY steak, rice, beans, tomato salad and fried plaintains
me: fresh juice (have tummy ache)
or no rich POPPY to bail you out…iirceven Trumps papa bailed out his ass too…on several occaisons
Let’s get ready to rumble…
http://www.reuters.com/article.....0420080321
no repeats showing on this end - sometimes there is a glitch with the new comments and it will duplicate on your page only. a hard refresh of the page will resolve the deja vu all over again :)
blueberries or a sliced apple,will fix that right up”g”
Modern translation…get the hell outta here while I still can?
Yeah, it is. My dad’s dog died after eating some chocolate someone’d thrown out on the street.
I guess there’s no reason that a dog in nature would run into chocolate, but it seems kind of cruel.
Thanks! OT - BTW is that a server-side thing or a client-side thing when that thing happens?
you got it!!
Free Market is a ruse, of course. Just as Liberalism has become a derisive term. The Free Market works to ensure Socialism for the rich as it ensnares the poor in its myriad traps.
On another tack: Illinois is having a hard time paying their bills. It has been very much other people’s problems until my husband’s job is on the line. He’s a resource conservationist and they are closing Soil and Water Conservation Districts all around the state. After almost 28 years, the only thing he can figure is that investments gone bad is what’s happening in Illinois. I know that Florida is in deep trouble because of some of their investments. We’re only at the crest of the wave. This shit is going to take a lot of good people down, but not the CEO’s who walk away with their l/4 billion payouts. Sucks bigtime.
have the wapoo version of the bloomberg on that in the news que for the news box… going up next
oh man what a sad sad story,i do animal rescue…sigh…on a lighter note have you procured your Vietnamese cinn.,i still have some for you”g”
“…otherwise am coming for ya…”
–Billo
and now I’m mixing periods (time periods I mean…) now I’ll get inta trouble with Jane fer sure…
…it sure ain’t the wine talking either I can tell you that…
Should be an interesting Monday…!
Goldman Sucks and Lehman Bros. both looking wobbly too? No one could have imagined…
interesting… as in the old chinese curse
Shorter
WeaselWall Street Journal: “Stealing is like praying, the more you do, the better you are!”Goldman paid out JYGUNDO bonuses
thanks for the tip
Yes’m! ;-)
as long as you steal from the poor and not the rich - that will get ya busted for sure
Watch for CNBC to go live with their worldwide affiliates on Sunday night, that’s what