The Washington Post's report on Obama's speech observed that this was a controversy that "threatens to engulf his presidential candidacy." Yet as far as anyone can tell, it was having only a marginal effect on the polls in the race before it blew up on the networks, and it was not generated by either of Obama's political opponents, or by any particular interest groups.
No, this is a controversy cooked up almost entirely within the media realm. Once they sank their fangs into it, the whole zombielike corps of pundits, cable talking heads, and radio talk-show hosts couldn't let go of it. And equally remarkable was the bias that was on display in discussing it: News anchors and talking heads flatly referred to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's videotaped remarks as "anti-American," "hate-filled," "vicious," "offensive," and so on and on.
It's telling that none of them also observed that, for the most part, Wright's remarks (aside from his conspiracist comments about AIDS, which were indeed inexcusable, but which received little or no play before Obama's speech) were factually accurate, and deeply reflective of a reality that most African Americans live with -- and which most white Americans do their best to ignore, deny, and forget. The remarks that were broadcast all over YouTube and replayed endlessly on the cable talk shows were, no doubt, were impolitic, but they were also largely true.
Hacktackular Howie Kurtz, the Post's "media critic," in his column today -- while notably failing to critique the media for its performance -- essentially admitted that this was a media-driven frenzy:
[I]t wasn't until last week, when Fox News and ABC News bought DVDs of Wright's sermons from the church, that the simmering controversy reached full boil. The recordings have long been sold by the church, but journalists did not seek them until now.
Kurtz's description also encapsulates the blinkered bias that was at play in not just the discussion leading up to Obama's speech, but in the general response to it:
To their credit, the network newscasts ran four or five sound bites to evoke Obama's broader argument that while the anger of older blacks like Wright, 66, is understandable, the country needs to move beyond the racial wounds of the past. But Obama, 46, is trying to win the Democratic nomination, so the anchors kept returning to one core question.
"Is it enough to reassure white voters?" ABC's Charlie Gibson asked.
"Does it make too many white voters uncomfortable?" asked CBS's Katie Couric.
Their entire preoccupation, indeed, was with how Wright's remarks might discomfit whites -- while never examining the deeper questions of whether white complacence about race might be something worth challenging, as well as their own roles in failing to make that challenge.
So let's examine the remarks by Wright that whipped up this frenzy. The controversy largely centered around these quotes:
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.
And there was more outrage over these quotes:
In one sermon in October 2005, Rev. Wright addressed the racial elements at play in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
"The winds of Katrina blew the cover off America. The hurricane exposed the hypocrisy," Rev. Wright said, "protecting white folks' property took priority over saving black folks' lives." He continued, "This storm called Katrina says far more about a racist government than it does about the wrath of God."
In April 2003, Rev. Wright told his congregation that "the United States government has failed the vast majority of our citizens of African descent."
"For every one Oprah, a billionaire, you've got five million blacks who are out of work," he said. "For every one Colin Powell, a millionaire, you've got 10 million blacks who cannot read. For every one Condoskeeza [sic] Rice, you've got one million in prison. For every one Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat, at the Masters, with his cap-blazing hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women. For every one Tiger Woods, we got 10,000 black kids who will never see a golf course."
What Wright is talking about here, of course, is the long and ugly history of white prejudice against African Americans, a history that continues to this day.
Regardless how much Obama may concede that Wright's language was "anti-American" or "hateful," the reality is they can only be construed as such if one believes that any criticism of the USA, and of prejudiced white Americans particularly, is unpatriotic or vicious. It's akin to the long-running right-wing notion that America is like a beloved mommy, and any criticism of her whatsoever means that you "hate America."
Wright may indeed have been short-sighted in failing to acknowledge that there has been progress made, but the reality is that the progress has not only fallen far short of where we need to be, but white complacence over that progress is itself a significant roadblock for creating a real bridge to cross the nation's racial divide.
The racism he's talking about is the lazy, blinkered notion that somehow whites have already overcome racism -- that they are not responsible for the years of institutional racism, embodied in Jimi Crow, segregation, and the "sundown towns" phenomenon that created the continuing residential and professional segregation that enables young white people to form the networks and connections that are the foundations of economic and social success while leaving young blacks, Latinos, and other minorities out in the cold.
Obama, to his credit, attempted to tackle this in his speech:
Understanding this reality requires a reminder of how we arrived at this point. As William Faulkner once wrote, "The past isn't dead and buried. In fact, it isn't even past." We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country. But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.
Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still haven't fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today's black and white students.
Legalized discrimination -- where blacks were prevented, often through violence, from owning property, or loans were not granted to African-American business owners, or black homeowners could not access FHA mortgages, or blacks were excluded from unions, or the police force, or fire departments - meant that black families could not amass any meaningful wealth to bequeath to future generations. That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of today's urban and rural communities.
A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families -- a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened. And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods - parks for kids to play in, police walking the beat, regular garbage pick-up and building code enforcement - all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us.
Obama is hardly the first major political figure to address this. Back in 1995, President Clinton said something remarkably similar:
The rift we see before us that is tearing at the heart of America exists in spite of the remarkable progress black Americans have made in the last generation, since Martin Luther King swept America up in his dream, and President Johnson spoke so powerfully for the dignity of man and the destiny of democracy in demanding that Congress guarantee full voting rights to blacks. The rift between blacks and whites exists still in a very special way in America, in spite of the fact that we have become much more racially and ethnically diverse, and that Hispanic Americans -- themselves no strangers to discrimination -- are now almost 10 percent of our national population.
The reasons for this divide are many. Some are rooted in the awful history and stubborn persistence of racism. Some are rooted in the different ways we experience the threats of modern life to personal security, family values, and strong communities. Some are rooted in the fact that we still haven't learned to talk frankly, to listen carefully, and to work together across racial lines.
… The two worlds we see now each contain both truth and distortion. Both black and white Americans must face this, for honesty is the only gateway to the many acts of reconciliation that will unite our worlds at last into one America.
White America must understand and acknowledge the roots of black pain. It began with unequal treatment first in law and later in fact. African Americans indeed have lived too long with a justice system that in too many cases has been and continues to be less than just. (Applause.) The record of abuses extends from lynchings and trumped up charges to false arrests and police brutality. The tragedies of Emmett Till and Rodney King are bloody markers on the very same road.
Still today too many of our police officers play by the rules of the bad old days. It is beyond wrong when law-abiding black parents have to tell their law-abiding children to fear the police whose salaries are paid by their own taxes.
And blacks are right to think something is terribly wrong when African American men are many times more likely to be victims of homicide than any other group in this country; when there are more African American men in our corrections system than in our colleges; when almost one in three African American men in their 20s are either in jail, on parole or otherwise under the supervision of the criminal justice system -- nearly one in three. And that is a disproportionate percentage in comparison to the percentage of blacks who use drugs in our society. Now, I would like every white person here and in America to take a moment to think how he or she would feel if one in three white men were in similar circumstances.
And there is still unacceptable economic disparity between blacks and whites. It is so fashionable to talk today about African Americans as if they have been some sort of protected class. Many whites think blacks are getting more than their fair share in terms of jobs and promotions. That is not true. That is not true.
The truth is that African Americans still make on average about 60 percent of what white people do; that more than half of African American children live in poverty. And at the very time our young Americans need access to college more than ever before, black college enrollment is dropping in America.
These are uncomfortable truths, of course, but they are also truths. And the media have as much a role in the failure of white Americans to honestly and forthrightly confront them.
The reason we haven't done so is that we whites have done our damnedest to ignore them. We have effectively wiped the memory of sundown towns from our memories, making us almost purposefully ignorant of them and their surrounding history of ugly violence and vicious bigotry.
Indeed, as we have seen throughout the Obama controversy, the media have been consistent in encouraging white Americans to forget them. Meanwhile, the black people who have to live with these realities cannot.
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I wrote this downstairs but it is more appropriate here
we the people have a race problem, not only the media
I would have never thought it possible but polls are actually revealing McCain beats either and both Hillary and Obama
how is that possible with the most depraved administration in the history of this country?
how is it possible that it is even close?
I speak with democrats all the time and although they find a different excuse to use then bigotry, they will NOT vote for Obama and they will NOT vote for Hillary
we climb uphill and I am only given comfort by the mass of people who are voting in this election vs the republican electorate, however the republicans will energize for the general
we have a climb ahead of us and this is a battle that decides whether or not our republic survives
The MSM simply want to stir up shit, and throw it on any front-runner.
true dat
they want to make their corporate sponsors happy and corporate america is not happy with obama
BTW, interesting. State Dept “contract employees” have been found rooting around in Sheik bin al BaraBlackHusseinMadrassaOsamaBama’s passport file.
unbelievable
Here is the thing. The Secret Service is not supposed to reveal how you get somewhere, when you get somewhere, and what your travel plans are, plus, they make you take alternate routes to any destination.
If the State Department’s Bureau of Consular Affairs is involved, which is where this took place, they are the ones that know what your travel plans are going to be…not where you’ve already been. This is what is so scary about this story.
Ok, so does anyone think this breaking (I think, I just got back from dinner) news is just too “deja vu all over again” (MLK Jr.’s challenges with JEdgar?):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_passport
(State Dept fires 2 and disciplines one for supposedly “peeking” at Obama’s passport files…)
heya Joey, what BS u gonna dump on us now?
Hi Dave! Excellent post.
Wow, great minds all read the wires at the same time…
completely depressing.
Oh Lord, this is the best Abrams can get ?
Great post, David.
Here’s what Mike Huckabee said about Rev. Wright:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit.....efend.html
I thought it was pretty good. Very sincere too.
Yep. It was just mentioned on Abrams show that just LOOKING at the records is a violation of privacy laws.
“imprudent curiosity”
there’s a twist on words.
I must admit that I stand corrected, Joey being cool tonight.
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has moved into a significant lead over Barack Obama among Democratic voters, according to a new Gallup poll.
The March 14-18 national survey of 1,209 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters gave Clinton, a New York senator, a 49 percent to 42 percent edge over Obama, an Illinois senator. The poll has an error margin of 3 percentage points.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....92562.html
Mike Huckabee is more sincere than McCain, which is why he lost the Rep nomination …
That is just creepy, spooky, disturbing but overall not surprising given the politicizing of pretty much every damn department and agency
Great post David!
This took up the whole Olbermann time slot. That’s when it broke. The dates are sure supicious. This is are security at it’s best LOL
Even Andrea Mtchell was bearable … must be a a Full Moon … *g*
Great article David!
And its a crime to sit on it this long, may be a crime to fire them before indicting, may be a crime for not indicting 3rd contractor…..
Great post David !!!
I agree that the two speeches are very similar.
tomorrow
I was wondering about this because there was just talk of it being referred only if info is disseminated. I’m glad an atty is speaking on this
The 3rd breach was last Friday.
ahah … I knew it … *g*
I believe the exact point of the full moon is mid-afternoon tomorrow
Do we know why 3 times? Were the records copied? I really want to know all this stuff.
I’m looking at it and it is gorgeous.
This comment cuts right to the bone.
If either of the Democratic candidates said they didn’t know much about economics, but they’re reading a good book about it, and followed that up by flubbing the ‘Al Queda training in Iran’ thing (four times - by the way), they would be laughed out of the race.
And he’s leading?
Come on.
David, Thank you for such an important post. For those who are cable impaired like myself, you can listen to Barack on Larry King Live at www.cnn.com
Number 3 isn’t fired because they suddenly realized it was a crime for them to fire before indicting……….. :)
And the mass-psychotic LeftWingnuttia Dittoheads over at taylormarsh.com are throwin “he’s toast” high fives.
I recommend we see what the numbers look like in May or thereafter.
Can you please explain that. Are you saying that the first two cannot be charged?
These polls are BS.
David, as usual your post was excellent. Thanks.
DiGenova: “Welcome to big government…. When government gets this big, this is inevitable.”
Once in January, once in February, and once last Friday.
They cannot access these files without a special code to go past the warning screen. You can’t just snoop around. You can’t get into the file, period, without a code, and the only people who have those codes are those who are in authority….like a doctor in a hospital for example, but the “secretaries” don’t have the code.
so now obama is no longer presidential huh? hmmm who wudda thunk it…… we are soooo not over race in america no matter how much we say we are….
That means the cat has to stay outside tomorrow night
I’m like you, I figured that all tis ass craziness had to be due to a full moon
My money is on this weekend or Monday hahahahahaha…..
Thanks for the link, JPL
David, thank you for this great post.
Digg!
I wonder if Keith is going to come back on live at 10 rather than rerunning the 8 pm show.
From what I understood, as they are contractors. The supervisors are now culpable…….:)
oh, the US voter has a much shorter attention span than that
and america will go for another rethug and damn the war and economy….
Uh, excuse me. I resemble that remark.
And I loooooooove Taylor Marsh!!!
I think Pres. Pissypants Fisa telecom immunity just went into the toilet.
How could any Senator now want to grant immunity when this just hit the fan?
Number 3 must be twitchy as hell.
just finished reading post and it is fantastic, Dave. Gonna pass this a long to a few folks
3 “mistakes”…one time each month…
Repug Joe DiGenova states that it is an obvious conscious cover-up. Woot!
I guess Dave’s not here.
(Hey, remember that old Cheech and Chong skit?)
It is a proven fact that during the full moon, the Brain holds the highest level of fluids …
The MSM’s gist as I’ve understood it is that “Obama has decided to make race the central issue of the campaign”, which was not his intention, as far as I understand it and which would, in my opinion, doom his candidacy.
As it probably should, because we have urgent issues staring us in the face: war in Iraq, upcoming attack on Iran, collapsing economy, shattering of U.S. society into two classes, the haves and the have-nots. If we don’t solve those issues, it’s going to be years and years before we have the wherewithal to advance social justice.
Is that part of the plan? Impoverish the society to such a degree that there is no money or will to effect improvements in the way we treat the disadvantaged?
The “Obama’s all about race” meme may be the Swift boat of this election.
And what terrifies me is that Cheney may order an attack on Iran in May, and then there may actually be attacks on the continental U.S. in retaliation, with the declaration of a national state of emergency, suspension of the electoral process, and complete consolidation of power and authority in the hands of the Executive. And Cheney would like nothing better than that. Is anyone else thinking this unthinkable thought? Anyone who is in Congress?
Obi’s campaign spokesman Eric Holder is the former deputy AG under Clinton. Innersting
I just threw up in my mouth a little
I can’t stomach her at all talk about biased writing.
Yeah, it’s surprising that he’s that close to being honest, but he did take the step of blaming it on big government.
I don’t love the Osama-Is-The-Devil-Incarnate shit goin’ down over there of late. It just makes McBu’ush more likely as the next president.
I want to know why the breach was admitted to.
Oh crap, they took the word of the supervisors that this was just curiosity? WTF?
What a letdown, going from Keith to Dan …
He truly has more of a personality for sure! Wow. I was really happy to hear Huckabee say what he did.
I think you worry too much, no offense intended. Sure, Cheney might do that shit, but it would only help, not hurt, Obama’s chances.
i didn’t know that. Is there something specific I should be or shouldn’t be doing with so much fluid on the brain? *g*
Taylor has gone whacky… I thing she went off the reservation and she is lurvin all the scores of commentors she has corralled on her site. She’s grovin on attention.
Rev. Wright was a Marine and has six years military service. How many chicken hawks (Carlson, Goldberg, Limbo etc.) have tried to destroy his reputation? He has earned the right to say what he wants. The Government Controlled Tee Vee has not told us that Wright has 7 honorary degrees. This Pastor looks better and better the more I know.
http://www.answers.com/topic/jeremiah-wright
At least Schuster is still on the beat and doing some digging.
I don’t love the
OsamaObama-Is-The-Devil-Incarnate shit goin’ down over there of late. It just makes McBu’ush more likely as the next president.Miss the edit feature.
Huckabee says a lot fo great things … the things he’s against makes him positively dangerous but not more so than McInsane …
And, on the Obama passport thing, my first reaction was that they’re looking for his travels in the Middle East (if any).
All they needed was one long trip to the area and he next would be starring in Al Qaeda training video that coincidentally occurred during that time.
The very sad part is I’m serious.
Wow! Is that true? Bah hahahahahahaha! I hope so!
Well, she is a Hillary supporter! What do you expect? I think she’s fair about it. If you read the comments she corrects her commenters regularly when they go over the line.
We should be able to support our different Democratic candidates and still remain somewhat respectful of each other, don’t you agree? And wobblybits too.
Banned without explanation by MyDD here, a badge of honor.
Sorry, make that “Shuster”
Do whatever your husband asks … **g**
what?! is dan going to talk with all the rethug spokespeople?
This wasn’t cooked up “in the media realm” as opposed to his opponents - the corporate media IS Barack’s opponent. C’mon, people! The media is a right-wing propaganda tool, stop pretending it’s supposed to be impartial or journalistic. Those values are DEAD. We need to recognize the real problem! The corporations own the media, and oppose Barack Obama.
Watching Obama on Larry King. For such a powerful speaker, his interviews lack energy. And he’s less charismatic.
Via Josh at TPM
By Josh Marshall
My bold added.
I have my fingers crossed that the House/Senate members tonight are thinking twice about pushing FISA through with immunity for the telecoms. How could they think that the Bush Regime and their intentions are always legitimized and legal? Jees.
Thanks so much for this great post. I’ve gone back to YouTube to view Barack’s speech in its entirety and was more impressed than ever. I’m pretty much appalled that so many White Americans are offended, nay, outraged, about the anger and resentment that some Black Americans express to each other. You don’t like being the fly on the wall, do you?! Oh, and btw, I’m White.
Thanks; I’ll try to think soothing thoughts. But … if they don’t see that they can win the game, might there not be a possibility that they would call off the game? They’ve certainly set up the EOs to give them the powers to do it.
he’s parsing his words….. no surprise here
Yes, I agree, but after viewing thousand of vitriolic anti-Obama comments on her site, I have to disagree that she reins in the excesses. The place has turned into a firestorm of stupid and counterproductive rhetoric.
Although I don’t agree with what she, Joe Wilson and Larry Johnson are doing, I think they’re pushing back against the ridiculous anti- Hillary diatribe across the blogosphere and the MSM.
I just happen to think that rising above the muck is far better than rolling around in it …
Telling people to not be as hysterical as this isn’t as bad (as far as he knows). Well darling since none of us knows anything and given this administration, I’d say there is good reason to be a bit excited.
Yep, methinks Shuster was getting Tucker’s slot, until that comment about Chelsea …
So, breaching a passport file of a presidential candidate is so common as to occur one time each month for the last three months by contractor employees… and it is just treated with a slap on the wrist….
Gimme a break.
He’s probably feeling the wrath of the wingers. I know what you mean, though. He’s such a classy guy and I’m sure he would like to show some rage for 30 seconds or so. I know I would if I was him. He’s cool as a cucumber when it comes to important issues.
Well, I guess that my now being an “Obamabot” (her words), I simply have lost all lucidity.
((((( juslin )))))
I’m watching Barack on CNN … much better than Abrams, IMO …
I think I understand how you feel that way– that’s how I sometimes feel when I visit the Great Orange Satan. It’s one thing to support Obama, but damn, a lot of those people really hate Hillary. It’s kind of weird.
Well to each their own.
Isn’t anyone, besides me, curious as to why this info was revealed? Not because they’re required to report the breach since they follow no laws. So, why?
Shuster is a great reporter. As a commentator, not so much. I don’t think he could sustain a show. He’s better doing what he does. Now Rachel, however . . .
Somebody inside is ready to talk. :)
switching back and forth .. and i’ll see you next week ;o)
Interesting, State is taking the position to not confirm or deny….CIA?
I can’t believe this has been going on for two months and Condi was only told yesterday about it? Why would they wait 2 months to tell her (that is if that’s true) and why would she wait a day and not press charges before firing them?
I appreciate this site because the focus is on McCain. I haven’t read Taylor Marsh consistently but the posts I have seen are anti-Obama.
Excellent, David, thank you so much.
Yes. And the second OBL “tape” in two days.
Whistleblower.
I really liked Shuster when he filled in for Tucker or KO but Rachel is even better fitted for an anchor, IMO …
Oh sh*t. Tucker now on. . . . . changing channel
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing tonight when I was watching Dick Gregory. I think Shuster was next in line.
Well, it couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy as far as I’m concerned.
Some firepups have asked me to back off the Shuster comments, and I will, but one last victory yell:
YYYYEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
I hate that fucking pimp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Mod Note; and since they asked so nicely, let’s really make this the last one.]
I hope you’re right. Has anything been reported yet?
We’ll probably find out it was either AT&T or Verizon who did this. LOL
I don’t “hate” her. I reject this absolutism language all the way around. It’s just gonna grease the skids for McBu’ush.
Looking forward to it ! *g*
I have some hope tonight. Remember when the Nixon Whitehouse called the Watergate break-in a “third rate burglary…”
Now I am dating myself as an old codger.
Not just “any” presidential candidate….
Remember when they told Condi about Osama? How long before she did something. Oh, wait, she didn’t do anything and 911 happened.
Yeah, Condi’s on the job.
This will feed into the fight over FISA like a ton of BRICKS!
Absolutely but she is a bit loose in her facts and while I support voicing your opinion and supporting your candidate, I don’t support hit pieces ir the dissemination of information that is wanting in terms of veracity
Another subject:
WHY IS TUCKER ON MY F*$&$^ TEE-VEE AARGGHH political windfall?? what an assssssssssssssssssss
lmao!!!!
I was worried until I was told repeatedly by people close to the Bush administration that this breach was merely ‘imprudent curiosity by low level employees’.
-G
And, BTW, for the record, my wife and I caucused for Hillary here in Vegas.
I appreciate that the Ladies of the Lake have taken a neutral stance for the primaries.
Perhaps someone in the Secret Service found out and had a duty to tell Obama, so State finally fessed up.
will be sending you an email soon
1,787 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Petrocelli:
“…I think they’re pushing back against against the ridiculous anti-Hillary diatribe across the blogosphere…”
In a word, Citizen Petrocelli : bullshit!
KEEP THE FAITH AND GET THAT SHIT OUTTA MY YARD!!
Oh yes. I remember it well. She came up to King George in August with a PDB and said, “White House husband, you don’t need to read this because it’s not important. Another Margarita?”.
one would hope so, but remember Charlie Brown, football, Lucy.
Good eye.
*spew* (wiping caipisake off my monitor)
Damn Mr wobbs read that and is shaking his head in agreement.
Hey mods, what’s up? We can’t say “fuck” anymore? How are we supposed to act like DFHs?
So who revealed this information to which press?
Condi will probably say in response to this, “Oh breach!!! I thought they said “beached” and was confused by it”. Spit.
Leave Condi alone … she was shopping for shoes ! /s
The breach was revealed so that the information can be manipulated and used against Obama.
Lucy is getting awful feeble.
Interesting question. It was breaking on MSNBC but the story was nowhere to be found over on Google News (I didn’t check anywhere else). Hmmmmmm…I wonder who made the call?
If you’re gonna censor me at least tell me what you’re censoring!
I hope our comments section at FDL (and this thread in particular) won’t become one of those places folks air their grievances about other blogs.
I really hope.
Obama’s campaign called KO.
Maybe it comes from being 15 in August of 1974, I dunno, it was exhilorating.
KO said that he was made aware just before going on the air if I recall correctly.
I don’t go to other blogs. Well, one and I only complain about this one over there.
It was on Drudge Report earlier than Keith’s show.
You can smell the fear ~ FOXNews’ Tom Sullivan: Blacks Will Riot If Obama Loses
Huh? You were censored? But this is a potty mouth feminist blog
Why? So people will ask themselves, Hmm. What’s he got to hide?
Or, could be just a way to keep him in constant ‘putting out fires’ mode.
I don’t think you have to settle for hope– you can just censor the comments you don’t like!
I’m done. Signing off.
I checked on the search function of my RSS and it’s kind of interesting. The story appears on the Irish Times, the Independent, and CNN Intl. and then MSNBC which was the only US outlet to start.
Obama’s Senate office got a call from a State functionary in the Bureau of Consular Affairs today.
On reading the Huckaby interview, i was thinking about the blacks being made to sit in the balcony at theaters. It seemed a curious segregation. Then I remembered this was in the days before air conditioning, so all the heat rose to the ceiling and the balcony was probably 15 degrees hotter than the floor.
On a somewhat relate note. Here in houston in the 60’s they decided to air condition all the schools. Which ones first? they decided to do it alphabetically. That left Washington, Worthing, Wheatly and Yates till the last. Care to guess which high schools were in the black parts of town.
Yes, and my comment wasn’t that bad. But it did have some caps and bolds. Oh well, it’s their blog. I just thought “liberals” would believe in free speech.
ahh…
CNN JUST NOW covering it. One hour forty-five minutes AFTER MSNBC.
oh wow faux news keeps putting shit in the game!! wake up people but i fear americans are soundly asleep
1,787 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Petrocelli:
The “anti-Hillary diatribe” is not jest sweepin’ across the blogosphere, it’s been sweepin’ across the country and through the Democratic Party for the last year…and it’s Mrs. Clinton-McCain’s responsibility, she made some dangerous bedfellows and now she’s sufferin’ the consequences of unprotected political activity.
Mr. President Bush meet Mr. Representative Conyers.
Hey Nancy, sumpthin’ jest jumped right up onto yer table there lady!
KEEP THE FAITH, THE WORSE KIND OF LYIN’ IS MENTAL LYIN’…DON’T BELIEVE EVERYTHIN’ THEY TELL YA TA SAY!!
Teddy-
I very good point. Still I think its okay to have a few mentions w/o things getting out of hand.
Things are really ugly out there at some of the really partisan sites (which I don’t normally read). But, I was pretty shocked, given the relatively calm waters of the Lake, to see what was out there.
I have a different reaction. I think this news will help him. If for no other reason than to stop all the talk about Wright.
I hear dthat crap this morning. If they didn’t riot during Jim Crow era, civil rights movement, why now???? Asshattery logic. Someone on the radio brought up the LA riots and was immediately schooled that that happened really only in LA (not nationwide and much of the looting that occured were done by people who (weren’t black)
She’s not simply pushing back. She is a hillary kool aid drinker and she is dumping on Obama. She is getting into the mud and definitely not taking the high ground here. I wonder how she can support Obama after Hill loses and they bring up all her nasty comments?
I wish she would go away at this point. And I don’t like her gun advocacy either. She’s too full of herself.
That’s my beef with MyDD. An acknowledgment that I am being censored would also be apprpos.
If this was a snoop or a mistake, they would have disciplined the employees, not fired them. I’m sure that they did not have the necessary coding information to go into a secure file, unless they got it from somewhere else. One mistake or snoop is maybe explainable…but 3??? At monthly intervals, no less.
Or apropos, even.
The dates correlate with Obama’s political success, and it doesn’t add up, per Andrea Mitchell…
I think I need smelling salts. She doesn’t buy it at all.
First of all, I’m not in your yard.
Second of all, you’ve spliced my comment, ignoring my second comment.
Thirdly, I could give a flying f*ck if you agree with me or not !
Andrea Mitchell: “presumably innocent inquiries” correlate with Obama’s sweeping successes in the primary.
Just what grievances can be aired here? I read plenty of righty bloigs slammed here. What’s the policy dude?
Really? In that order? Someone (maybe Osama bin Laden? Bah hahahaha!) called in on the secret bat phone? Wow. I wonder who it was? I’m sure it will never be divulged but it would definitely give us a good idea of some of the players involved with this.
I still think Laura Ingraham is connected somehow. 1) Because I don’t like her, and, 2) Because she’s a racist, anti-Obama, and I don’t like her.
I like your interpretation much, much better.
The dates coincide with Iowa, Super Tuesday, and I didn’t catch what the 3rd date coincided with.
Sounds political.
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I think it gets murky. The flare up last week showed me that. Do we need to protest? i have leftover signs *g*
So who were these contract employees? Who are their family members?
She is a really vile person. She needs to be pied.
The only important thing they can find out by continually looking on a monthly basis at his passport file is to tell someone where he is planning to travel. I’m sticking to that. JMHO.
Exactly. It’s not an “innocent” snoop. It was malicious and intentional…just like every act by the Bush Regime. There have been no accidents with this group of criminals. And 9/11 has made it all possible for them! Spit.
Last friday. I think there was a caucus in MS on Sat? How soon we forget.
too late. 3.14 was pi day.
Or, did they get a hefty little bonus of some sort…
Why does the State Department need contract employees?
At what staffing level? This whole thing sounds bizarre.
((( RBG )))
Pls delete my 167 if it’s over the line … and have a great weekend !
The third date was last Friday. I find it interesting that the picture of Obama in Somali garb was released Feb. 25 four days after the second breach.
hard to imagine that she can, but it is possible that if he is the nominee that she will come to support him (I’m the glass is half full type)
You know I’m with you on that.
The relationship is one of identity, not kinship.
they got behind in processing passports last year
IRRC Condi was having a problem with staff leaving the department of state when she came on board. Lotta diplomatic posts unfilled.
Why would that be? CIA is always available.
another name for non civil servants
1,787 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
If ya can’t take the heat…don’t throw gas around in the kitchen. And I find it quite enjoyable that yer NOT in my yard and it’s pretty clear you don’t belong to the same political party I do either.. I’m a Democrat and I don’t whine when someone disagrees with me.
Thanks fer makin’my point!
KEEP THE FAITH AND LIVE WITH YER OWN MISTAKES…DON’T PUT ‘EM ON OTHERS!!
My understanding (I don’t make the policy) is that FDL tries not to be a place where grievances about other progressive blogs’ eruptions are aired.
I think you are right on! And the other direction would be if he’s gone to a country that is America’s enemy….like say….Iran. Many people travel to Iran from America and it’s not because they’re plotting to kill Americans in the form of a mushroom cloud. Hell, Dick Cheney had his precious Halliburton in there for years and just pulled them out a couple years ago because Georgie was rearing up like a spider against them (at Cheney’s orders of course).
To me, that would be the other angle and it would help Hillary in the long run, because she would spin like a top.
So hire, train and do passports. Why do they have outsiders snooping around in these files.
Oh sh*t again. Lawrence O’Donnel. Time to change the channel again.
That was my first thought in all of this! Whew. *shaking head*
One thing is for sure….our government has not run the way it should since Georgie was selected in 2000.
*sigh* Why can’t we all stop the petty bickering amongst ourselves? The foe is capitalizing on our fractiousness, why do we allow it to happen…? We need to focus our attention and energies on defeating McCain, not assailing one another… And yes, your candidate sucks…!
“The Breach” does stoke the worries of some I know that are not sure they want to vote Obama simply because he’ll be in more danger than any other candidate. They hear reports like this and say, “See, it’s too risky with him as Prez.” In other words, they choose to continue letting fear dominate their lives.
Not sure how many people out there are like this, but I do know a few personally.
I believe she will support him. I don’t know how it would be for her to live wherever the VP lives after having lived in the WH, but it puts her right in line for President and incumbent in the future. That would be her smartest move, unless she becomes the President, of course, which could still happen.
Where the heck does a VP live anyway? In a
housemansion in a neighborhood or is there a special house for the VP? I know the Cheenees have a place on the water, but is that where they live most of the time?Then let’s all turn the gas valve down a notch.
Amen.
I personally don’t consider Taylor Marsh to be a progressive. She is a proud “Regan Democrat”, gun advocate.
That’s two strikes against progressive bona fides.
But even that when someone acts like a jerk they should be called out regardless of whether they are left or right of center.
Hey Norske,
Please consider not getting into a circular firing squad thing with Petrocelli.
And, of course you can tell me to fuck off, as you have to others at times, after I say this: Norske, it’s nice when you use your indoor voice. Yeah you did that once, and someone commented on the contrast, and you told them to fuck off. I am sorta expecting the same.
But, both you and Petro are valued commenters at FDL.
So, flame me ;)
rethugs making good on their promise to privatize all government functions…..
Lowest levels (so they say) think data entry or something along that line
i don’t believe it until the facts come out. Like others have asked, who are these people? Who are they related to? Etc.
That, I think, is the point. People hired to do data entry and passport processing wouldn’t have access to passport files on the system. They wouldn’t be able to access that part of the system without additional codes, and (presumably) even more special access codes due to Obama’s being a public figure.
So there’s more here than meets the eye, without question.
Or else it’s just “imprudent curiosity by contract employees.”
it was considered short term work, so they hired a bunch of temps
Your thumb is going to cramp if you keep that pace up! LOL
Thanks, RBG. Sorry for the mistake. My comment 111 is there!
OK, I’ll make that the last one.
Calming breath meditation called for…yikes!!! BTW, it does help, thanks.
So they can say, “These were lowly contract employees. We are working on inservices to fix this problem. Our training manual is being updated, our HR staff is going thru special training to address this problem as soon as is practicable.”
Keith is back on LIVE I think.
Yay Keith Live Again!!
But don’t you know Rev. Wright will be found to have been the one looking into Sen. Obama’s passport files all three times?
That will bring it all full circle.
Woohoo!
They live in the (former) Naval Observatory or something in DC.
Keith will you marry me please! I’m free all weekend. ;-)
He da man.
Is he live, or is he memorex?
David, I read the excellent post and then made dinner. Missed this whole passport business. Why does the state department have contractors here in the States?
Keith up again.
“That’s a lot of firings in a short period of time…!”
Last night when we were relating our brushes with famous people, no one mentioned an encounter with Keith.
Wow. Great response from the Obama campaign.
From Josh:
Hmmmmmmmm. . . . .
Man this FL/MI stuff is like the Karate Kid of politics…vote on, vote off.
I heard al-Qaeda’s #2 released a tape today hoping that MI gets to re-vote.
But why is ANYONE’s passport “file” accessible by any employee?
One would think this data is used by the FBI to track movement of people under suspicion…
What ARE passport files?
Mrs. Greenspan doing damage control for Karl Rove.
Oh teehee I was referring to Taylor Marsh, as far as Clinton, i totally think that she would support him
Why would he mingle among the DFH’s…? ;-)
*sigh* He’s just on my tv. That’s as close as I’ll ever get to him I’m afraid. ;-)
I’ve always wondered. Thanks.
This date thing is a bit data mining. Something happens in campaigns every day, so you can always hook up dates with those kind of developments.
Andrea Mitchell Greenspan says NO SENIOR LEVEL involvement even though she cannot verify.
“I heard al-Qaeda’s #2 released a tape today hoping that MI gets to re-vote.”
You’re bonkers! LOL (Just a little fun on your name at your expense) ;-)
I don’t think that State is behind this if there is a behind this there. The fact that it was contractors is kinda weird. Sounds black to me. No pun intended…/s
Mrs Greenspan is telling us that the State Department can’t even interview the fired employees anymore.
Is that unbelievable or what? Beyond the reach of the law!
hackworth, you know what that hack is worth.
The day after Yearly Kos last summer I was in the elevator with the MSNBC political guy. His name escapes me right now. 35ish white male. Also during the conference I was in the elevator with Kos’brother.
Wow. That’s another turn in this. Maybe someone sent a warrant to view his passport file? Could be. Oh wait. Warrants are garlic to this White House. Nevermind.
Who is Al Qaeda’s number two man…this week?
Sheesh, get a room with him or something, so I don’t have to listen to this! :-)
(Well, I should talk– I have a crush on Greta Wodell).
Mrs. Greenspan seems to be actually doing her job tonight. Shock.
Senior involvement would be well hidden. That’s why I want to know who the contract people where, who are their family members, dating encounters, neighbors. Everyone in DC whose anyone all live together, date & marry each other.
They will release a tape of Osama supporting his long lost cousin Obama for president! completely authenticated by the NSA. hahahaha
Keith keeps hammering Mrs. Greespan. Mrs. Greenspan backpedals and provides CYA for Bushco simultaneously.
He is already spoken for. by me.
You can watch her reporters’ instincts atrophy onscreen. First she was almost tenacious, now she seems to have the talking points from Rove. She’s not minimizing it, as Eagleburger was (without any facts at his disposal) but she is painting it as at the contractor level, not the political level.
Why should anyone believe what the Bush State Department says about anything? Let alone about this.
That’s why I was wondering upthread if there were any employees seen leaving the State Dept. today crying because they just lost their job after being caught doing something criminal? If not, then that means these “3 individuals” are just a figment of Condi’s imagination to protect herself and the Regime!
I was really surprised to see that How much play do you think that’ll get. On FOX? Anyplace?
Gawd.
I stand by my dark thoughts on this…the 2,000,000 lb gorilla in the room is a possibility. Having lived through the 60’s.
The Decider decides who to spy on and who to torture and…
Arm wrestle for him or do a drinking game….last one standing? LOL
Andrea might just say “Muslim” before she’s done here….
Ewwwwww. Brain bleach please!
…who to kill. Yes I know, LS. ;-)
We don’t know when they were fired. Immediately? today? No information on that.
Can’t be. we killed al-Qaeda’s #2. Several times.
deja vu all over again Ypgi?
So where was G. Gordon Liddy on those dates, hmmmm?
You have great points there.
I hope a lot. It was truly a wonderful moment in all of this. Of all people to set it straight and do with so much compassion for the African Americans in this country! It was very classy.
Shuster: there has been NO investigation. Nothing has happened, except the representations of their prior supervisors. Nothing.
Ridiculous on so many levels. Absolutely fuc*ing preposterous. What a fu*king joke. Get those fired “contractors” hauled in pronto.
It flips my stomach…I’m worried.
writing out the check?
uh oh, fight!!!!
*g*
ya think?
We need their names. Check up on their backgrounds. See what kind of connections they may have with the neocon cultists.
GO!
Can’t wait to see the Patrick Kennedy presser on CSPAN tomorrow.
True. ;-)
Who were these “contract workers” working for–Halliburton?
I just got eher and aren’t following. Who’s got you swooning?
That’s what Shuster was just pointing out… No google or anything, just trust us it was harmless…
Keith is SO GOOD!
We need lots like him on the air!
I heard KO and Fineman talk about the breach. Talk about drama queens. They went on and on in the most ominous tones imaginable about this. I admit it is not good, but tone of KO voice was so melodramatic that I had to change channels. After about 15 minutes of blathering about this breach when they knew very little go annoying. i was just waiting till they would get around to speculating if Hillary could be blamed. when it finally happened, I laughed at their foolishness and changed the channel
*throwing Captain Morgan’s back*
Okay, your turn! LOL
Which committee(s) in congress would cover passports?
That’s why I almost fell outta my chair.
Will this be the one that sticks? After all the other scandals, have they found something that may actually go somewhere?
Wow. Which channel did you go to get better reporting?
Is everyone forgetting or ignoring that the purpose of this speech was to defuse the realization that Barack Obama equivocated about this minister’s rhetoric and their relationship for over a year? So, it isn’t something just cooked up by the media or Republicans.
Has Obama done likewise on other relationships and subjects? Yes. Rezko and his home purchase. Rezko and the double handful of dilapidated buildings in Obama’s district. There are more.
I went to the basketball game for some sanity.
Keith says the investigation has to be external to the State Dept.
Bushco fires Federal Level Attorneys that won’t carry water. You think they won’t go after Obama’s passport records? These Dons do anything they want. Contempt of Congress is no big deal.
prolly not. He’s a dem. remember? That means that he’s hiding something and the MSM needs to find out what he’s hiding.
Mount Gay gone. all gooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnne
The implication is that you have no privacy in this country when any jerk can look into your file… and when it is a candidate for pres and it happens monthly and no one’s hair is on fire… ha?
Trolls are inspired by this news.
aww hell even the state department doesn’t know much about these contract employees.
our tax dollars at work
What Hack said. Laws are for the little people.
Were the “contract workers” loyal Bushies? Was the supervisor who failed to report this story to higher management a loyal Bushie? Were the “contract workers” vetted by Ol’ 60 Grit’s husband?
Do you think George Bush should have denounced Ted Haggard and the whole entire Evangelical community when he found out that ole Ted was hiring a gay male prostitute and doing drugs with him? I mean, really, finding this out meant George Bush was also hiring gay male prostitutes and doing drugs with them, because his religious mentor was, right?
Yes, this is incredibly damning information that should cause everyone to understandably hide under their beds and cringe in abject fear until January 20, 2009 when we will be delivered from the horror by the inauguration of either HRC or McCain.
Don’t you know you shouldn’t bring up anything that will make Obama lovers feel uncomfortable. He has a pbig problem. He makes a speech and it should be all over. His problem is he lied about his association with Wright. He has probably lied about his association with Rezko. I guess we should be getting ready for a speech about corruption.
You did? And what did you learn? Anything new that we haven’t heard through Keith?
Well, I certainly fall into the melodramatic category, I freely admit…but, I remember history….I remember when they knew exactly where MLK was going to be when he was where he was…ditto JFK…ditto…RFK….
I remember.
I want every single possible security breach examined with a frikkin’ electronic microscope. There is motive.
Or…it was 3 idjiots who were “able” to breach the security and get into the files, 3 months in a row, 3 different “contractors” and they were just curious, because they all wanted to know what his birthday is…
This is either a huge security breach, or a huge security incompetency mistake, but it needs to be really, really examined.
Never again.
now you have gone and mentioned Ol 60 Grit. no dinner for me tonight.
Low level, my ass. Somebody ratted them out. They had to spill the beans. Rove said, Pin it on the minions. Behold the power of Rove. Christ, they’re afraid of Obama.
Here’s Mike Huckabee’s thoughts on Rev. Wright:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTFLOu8fjxU
I was waiting for someone to go there ….
wag the dog bullshit
The fact that the guy’s name is Patrick Kennedy…how weird is that?
Who could have nabbed the Confidential Passport Files? So many suspects, KKKarl Rove, Darth, Dana Perino, Barney, Marvin Bush…?
Yep! I think they are unhappy about it! :)
KO is awesome tonight.
lied about Wright and prolly Rezko?
links to facts please.
Keith is going to do some of the stories that got crowded out by the passport story. McSame doing a dance around Purim/Halloween with JoeLie as his trusted advisor. Funny/not funny story.
That’s not a fair analogy. Dumbya didn’t attend Ted Haggard’s church for 20 years and listen to sermons about prostitution and drugs.
any body post about Broder’s latest piece of shit? At least it was rte latest one to show up in my local.
Classic Broder — on one hand/but on the other hand. Broder says McCain’s problem would be if he’s perceived as too close too Bush (on the one hand). But he can fix that by presenting himself as aliogned not with bush but with Patraeus, whiom everyone loves (on the other hand.). Such bullshit. But what really got me was Broder just mentioned McCain’s fuck up about iran training al Qaeda in the last paragraph of the piece. In passing. just another example of what people have been saying — if a Democrat had said that (more than once at that), the comment alone would have been the subject of multiple columns. Mccain says it and it’s just a throwaway at the end of a column. piss me off.
With W’s history, anyone who thinks this wasn’t deliberate, and came directly from the top, … Well, there’s this bridge in Brooklyn that’s for sale.
and please be advised that I agree with everything that Rev. Wright said in that youtube.
No there aren’t
I agree its horrible, but KO has gone over the edge. You know nothing much will come of this. KO is just hoping this will take the heat off the Wright story. We couldn’t do squat about having US Attorneys fired for fixing elections and you think a big deal is going to happen because 3 people looked at Obama’s passport file. this administration is too far into the dark side. Maybe Obama will make another speech and it will be fixed.
Is that the best you can do? Probably.
who did?
The topic of this post reminds of the Howard Dean experience with BigMedia in the 04 race.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....oel20.html
I remember reports of this elsewhere that described the cockiness of the Press Corps about how they could bring a candidate down if they wanted. This strange “Dean scream” business, and more recently the John Edwards haircut nonsense, really damaged each campaign to the point of tanking them. Meanwhile, those in the “in-crowd” such as McCandyCain get a pass for all kinds of glaring problems with them.
That link also has some historical perspectives on how BigMedia for many years has consciously taken out many candidates that don’t play nice. I’ve been wondering if this Obama stuff is just another example, since he doesn’t play by their rules.
Teddy gave money to Bush’s campaign. He’s in! He’s sleeping with gay male prostitutes and doing drugs with them. See? I’m just using right wing analogy. It’s fun!
Yup, but they keep him compartmentalized.
BTW, did you hear that Venezuela switched to Euros for oil 3/16/08? Yikes.
Funny. That’s exactly what i thought whene I read your 3282.
Exactly.
No shit.
Listening to Obama campaign co-chairman calling for an investigation…
Fitz!!!
Oh, wait…Bush has unlimited pardon authority…
Is this a new Keith segment or a repeat of the regular segment?
seriously.
Wow! hadn’t heard that.
New.
No, I hadn’t heard about Venezuela switching, but it should come as no surprise given how W & Chavez feel about each other.
I picked up that Iran had switched, but in a casual way & never checked it out to see if it was really true.
The earlier (8pm ET) Countdown was all passport, all the time. Now he’s done a live 10 pm show which is 1/2 passport and 1/2 some of the stories he didn’t get to at 8.
I agree that Ted should be an embarrassment to Bush (and he wasn’t, but that’s another story) but my point is that Bush is not nearly as close to Ted as Obama is to Wright.
I don’t think this crap about Wright should dominate the campaign, but I’m making the technical point that the analogy between Wright and Haggard is faulty.
The media is orgasmic over Obama. Now Hillary has been trashed by the media and worst of all the liberal bloggers. Shameful
This is new, and live…a “special edition of Countdown”
Me too. Had he whispered it the neocons wouldn’t have been so scared. Neocons aren’t the bravest people in the nation, though, online they pretend they are. I had one tell me the other day he can’t go over to Iraq because he has a bad knee cap. I said in effect, “But we have soldiers who have had broken arms and part of their faces blown off and they’ve gone back. Are you scared? Is that really the reason?”. I reminded him that Rush Limbaugh couldn’t serve his country during Vietnam because he had an anal cyst. Apparently, when one is a republican, one can’t hold a gun if one has an anal cyst. LOL!
Oh I could go on but won’t take time away from the thread. ;-)
me too!!!!
Mr wobbs three
Does that mean we are angry black militants?
Funny. That’s exactly what i thought when I read your 3282.
Exactly.
No shit.
Should say “your #282,” old 91A10.
Actually we are focusing on Clinton’s schedule showing that she wholeheartedly lobbied for NAFTA as First Lady despite her assertions to the contrary and that she has been lobbying superdelegates about Public Enemy No. 1 Jeremiah Wright.
your concern is noted.
We’re all forced to get passports now if you want to fly anywhere out of the country.
This because, as we all know, Americans going to Mexico and Canada for long weekends caused 9/11.
Now we know why.
So Darth and Co. can have one stop shopping to locate all your travel, tax and birth records for their nefarious purposes.
Sen. Obama is clearly scaring some very important people.
If the Saudis and the rest of OPEC decide to switch to euros too we’re seriously screwed… Probably one reason Cheney jetted to the ME…!
At least it’s not a circular firing squad.
Have you checked out Taylor Marsh?
She gives a little more balanced coverage than some. :-)
I’m still totally confused about why the State Department has contractors here working passports. Why wouldn’t regular federal employees be doing this. Is it so they don’t have to pay SS and unemployment?
Mr. LS just found it. It is not for all of their oil deals but for some. Here’s the link:
http://www.fxstreet.com/news/f.....180df08707
So, in your eyes, the blacks in this country have no right to talk about THEIR issues and their experiences in their own church? I disagree. Hell, Dick Cheney said, “GOD DAMN AMERICANS!” the other day when it was pointed out to him that two thirds of the nation doesn’t agree with what is happening in Iraq and he said, “So?”. He hates us. He doesn’t even like the Constitution which is why he and his cohorts are actively trying to burn it.
How can our nation be blessed if we’re killing innocent people without batting an eye? Wouldn’t God damn us for doing so? That was Rev. Wright’s point, but many closed-minded people missed it.
Actually it’s more shaped liked this: BBBBBBBBBBBBBB ccc
Blackwater?
Yeah, but I wish he would have phrased it better. But it sort of reminds me of Mohammad Ali saying something like “the Viet Cong never called me n*****”.
Or health care.. and they can hand the contracts (no bid?) to their buddies.
Would you not think there would some kind of security clearance required to access at documents related to a major candidate for President of those United States? Hmm? And that contract workers would not have this clearance?
I dunno. I guess it’s not a pefect analogy. But bottom line is prtretty much what Huckabee was saying - the minister’s words are the minister’s. Obama has distanced himself from some of what Wright said. Has Bush or McCain done the same with any of the JF’s they call friends or, at least supporters?
What happens if we find out they were illegal aliens? Oh boy. LOL
Good, KO’s going after the McLame aide tape.
It is sheer circumstance that three different employees were driven by ‘imprudent curiosity’ at three different times in the past few months to look into Sen. Obama’s records.
-G
Thx. It looks like from the last sentence that Iran has not broken with $ payment yet.
I am pleasantly surprised. Good for her.
Privatization. Government bad. Private sector good.
Of course there is. They could not have accessed it without a code.
Hey RBG, thanks for getting me straigtened out the other night.
If they’re so enamored why are they rehashing the Wright tapes over and over…? If you’ve got credible sources on Rezko, etal… Put’em up, if not please refrain from poo flinging…! Just the facts, thank you…
My thoughts on this:
there were lots of extra “contractors” hired in because the passport section was really far behind in it’s work because of the new super duper passports being behind the timing curve. Also probably because, as you said they probably aren’t paying as well or giving benefits. So in the middle of this crush while no one is looking they slip in a couple of ringers. Who exactly they work for I don’t know, but I doubt strongly that this was innocent prurient interest. They’re working for someone in oppo but who? They thought they had it hid. Who dropped the dime?
Many unanswered questions.
1,787 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Valley Girl:
In this last pissin’ contest it was not I who told someone ta “fuck off” and as a matter of fact Petrocelli’s epithet was advanced because of an argument I presented to his political position and generalization about some supposed “anti-Hillary diatribe” across the blogosphere. The only time I have requested that someone take an airborn fornication at the lunar surfaces is when they take issue with the style and not the substance (or lack thereof) of what I say…so please reconsider yer complaint. If ya have an argument with WHAT I say then bring it on because that’s what political democracy is all about…if however yer all bent outta shape about HOW I say it, well then jest take a pill and get over it.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER IT AIN’T STYLE IT’S SUBSTANCE!!
Needed for the increase in Passport apps this past year.
You’re right, but when politics is involved we have to be careful how we say things so we don’t give ammo to the wingnuts.
I remember when I told MiniRieszette about the time those US military guys tortured that Afghani taxi driver to death, and she said “I hate America!”. I told her not to hate America, hate the Americans who betray us.
Glad I could help.
That’s the main question - who dropped the dime?
Good hypothesis.
No, and the corporate media give them a pass for it. It’s bullshit.
i;m wondering if the first fired employee was replaced with the second fired employee and replaced by the third employee…….hmmmmmmmm.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/p.....ma.article
Yeah. “Orgasmic”? They (media) have been trashing tne guy for days. weeks even. same shit over and over. No there there.
Thanks. I think this is so wrong. There are lots of good Americans who would love to have a good federal job with benefits. How about some of the soldiers who have lost limbs? So wrong.
Rather old article I’d say.
Heh. Certain supporters of a certain candidate are *really* peeved that this important passport story has pushed the other stories away.
Puh-lease, that is some lame crud… I agree Rezko is a black eye, but spare me, that is a Conrad Black rag… I’ll reiterate ‘Credible Sources’…
Wow all of a sudden Obama can’t get enough flags surrounding him. Yikes.
I would be interested in knowing who the reporter was who tipped the story by asking Sean McCormack for a comment.
-G
Bullshit it is. I don’t think we disagree at all. probably the less said about the whole obama/wright thing the better. i mean, obabm did a good job addressing it the other day. i thiought. anyone who doesn’t think so is probably never gonna be satisfied.
Doesn’t explain it. Too many Americans who would love this job. Something is very wrong. Do contractors even have to be American?
well too bad for them…. the corpocracy makes too much money in privatization… why should they pay fair wages? cuts into corporate profits….. doncha know
i don’t even think rezco is a black eye.
We can’t hate our country at times? Are you serious? Is that freedom? I don’t think so. There is such a thing as freedom of speech in this country and if we keep going after people for the stupid stuff then the terrorists have won. LOL
I’m not black but I think the blacks in our country have every right to be angry. Not just for slavery either. Maybe it was the time Joey-a-parishioner was beat up for being black? Or maybe it was the time Cindy couldn’t find a job because of the color of her skin? Or maybe it’s the millionth time their parishioners couldn’t find an apartment to rent because the white landlord was scared of what would happen if he/she rented to this person?
We have no idea what their life experiences are. We do know for most it isn’t pretty. Sad, but that is a reality, and I think they, as a community, have a right to talk about it each Sunday. Hey, if the Evangelicals can teach that abortion is bad and blowing up a clinic is okay (or hint around to it anyways) then I think Rev. Wright has a right to express himself.
By the way, Rev. Wright has retired. There are two new pastors at this church.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....486054.ece
Oh my. One possible person who “retired” recently was a former Clinton ambassador to Paraguay. She had worked for the office of consular affairs and reported to Patrick Kennedy there (not the congressman)
The plot gets thicker.
I have but have always loved FDL. But Obamalooneyitis has hit here and I was hoping it would be tempered abit. But alas, it appears to be terminal.
kay in maine–left you a comment at the end of last thread…….i was laughing so harrrrrrrd.
i don’t like her either, but i think you heard her wrong, laura ingraham said color therapist, not colored therapist, really……… * g * it reminded me of emily latella…….rofl.
i can’t say for sure. But if it is data entry, it would explain how it is that differing low levels have access to passport records
just wonderin’
any body live in a place where they’ve privatized the roads. tyhey’ve talked about it some here. privavte companies build ‘em, and run ‘em. sounds like bad news to me.
Reisz,
Have you seen the picture of the warm Bill Clinton handshake to Rev. Wright?
Amen.
-G
OMG…I can’t believe these dirty politics…too many people on the darksyde….
I got a bad feeling about all this.
Neocons begone…Dem or Puke…all of them….Raid!!!
*putting on kevlar and nomex mod suit, complete with tin foil helmet and climbing mod tower*
strapping in 5 pt safety harness; setting atomic batteries to power, turbines to speed
I hate that anymore
Is this comment the kind of thing that some here have referred to as “flinging poo”?
Did anyone hear latest revelation about former ambassador to Paraguay? Just curious……Mwuahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Hey Hi Suzanne!!
i live in new jersey and our gov wants to sell the major roads here to private enterprise…. lots of opposition but who knows? state is broke
So they taped Jay Leno just now, the one with John Edwards, and Leno’s PR person says he didn’t endorse anyone. Just a “catching up interview.”
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk.....n_leno.php
He did have probably millions of supporters around America, but this does seem strange. Is he just doing a “hey, remember me?” move before he does endorse someone? Is he just an ego-maniac? Is there some poverty program he wanted to publicize?
Whatever the case, at least I won’t get tricked into watching the idiotic show now…
here’s the connections that the repubgs are going to play to death shortly:
Rezko’s buddy is Nadhmi Auchi,who is an Iraqi-born billionaire who was charged along with Saddam Hussein for conspiring to assassinate Prime minister (president) Abdul Karim Qasim and stood trial in 1959.
-Auchi protected secret money for Saddam Hussein AND Muammar al-Gadaffi.
(Remember, Obama’s Trinity church Pastor Wright went with Nation of Islam minister Louis Farrakhan in 1993 to visit Libyan socialist leader Gadaffi.)
-Auchi also financially backed Saddam Hussein’s plan for a pipeline from Iraq to Saudi Arabia.
-Auchi was also a business partner with Nation of Islam Founder’s son: Jabir Herbert Muhammad.
Why isn’t the media talking about all of Barack Obama’s scary friends who have ties to the worst people in history?
William (Bill) Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn of the Weather Underground.
*Obama’s cousin Raila Odinga who just became co-President of Kenya this week, whom Obama is said to be close to…
No it hasn’t. People are looking at both sides. People might have favorites, but in general, it varies day to day. FDL (the site) does not endorse a particular candidate. So, just go with the flow…and chill out.
i didn’t know wright retired. had that been mentioned much? i stopped paying much attention because it was the same thing over and over. and also, alot of people are pointuing out the positive contributions wright has made over the years.
tell it!!!!
I agree with all of that, Kay, and you said it well. I’m just saying that when politics is involved (like when one of your parisioners is a politician) you have to be careful how you express yourself. I hope this bullshit blows over, but you know the wingnuts are going to play it for all it’s worth.
Remember when Kos said “Screw ‘em” about those mercenaries who got burned to death in Iraq? Which side of that bruhaha were you on?
I think it’s kind of a funny poke in eye - cause you know he doesn’t wear a flag pin - sobbing.
That person is not a “contractor”…
put a link to the Times later on …
see my 379. Clinton appointee.
Good idea. Looks like you’ll need it.
No, but as I’ve been saying, I agree this story isn’t fair to Obama.
Just reporting what Keith was reading sans name which I didn’t catch beyond Maura . . . .
The media was in the bag for Obama. They wanted him to be the candidate. Now that this seems to be inevitable, they are beginning to take him down so McCain will be the victor. DUH! Republicans for Obama…Get a grip. So he won Idaho. A democrat always wins Idaho…..in the primaries. As with all the states. Why is Mass achusettes presently split. McCain is tied there. We could be in for an historic disaster in the GE. Obama is a lightweight. So he reads a good speech. After that, he is in over his head. Hillary know these bastards. She can go toe to toe with them. Can’t we all just get along? Kumbaya…. I want to win and be able to govern. I don’t want to vote for someone just because they are black and gives a good speech.
Is this true? Are you sure?
Suzanne’s here! We’ll have to behave now!
i left jersey 3 years ago. te turnpike and parkway were sort of quasi public. but i read about that stuff last summer when te sttae was closed.
FL has no money either. just read the other day that the FL legislature has not raised a single tax even a single penny in 10 years. everything is goin’ to shit here.
Rachel is asking the questions we all want to know!!!
Bush admin leaked the story to the WA Times first. Who did it and why? What companies are the contractors working for? Questions Rachel asks.
TYVM. Was busy eating pizza. KABOOM!
He has retired and is on a cruise. he is not available at all. Obama covered this in detail on Larry King
Rachels three questions:
Who are the Bush officials who leaked to WaPo. Why
Who are the companies with contracts to State Dept?
Cookie left with problems, what connection?
I know I’m going to get slaughtered for this, but I think Dave’s post is problematic. Please read the whole thing before you diss me as a troll and torch my post. Once you’ve finished, feel free.
Dave, you say we’ve wiped sundown towns from our memories.
Who are you talking to and about? The author of the book that brought them back into the consciousness of many of us says that they were primarily a phenomenon from the 1890’s to the 1930’s. Most accounts say they ended with the 60’s.
I’m 40, older than most Americans. I couldn’t even remotely have wiped something from my memory that ended before my memory begins, even in the places where it still existed, long after its heyday.
Lynchings were overwhelmingly a phenomenon of Jim Crow. They were truly beyond horrendous. Yet today they’re far less real than school shootings, gang shootings and all the other ways that people young and old die violently in this country.
I listened to a program on NPR today, in which a young woman called in to ask why her students couldn’t talk openly about race. She said that they talked about how their friends were interracial, they dated interracially. They wouldn’t concede the enormous prejudice that still exists. It was as if she couldn’t hear herself speaking.
I am not at all saying that racial prejudice is a small thing.
But I agree with the commentator on the show, an African American who might be named Michael Meyers, though I’m not sure of his name, that the best way to talk about race relations is to root it in our own concrete experiences.
I am part of a book club that is racially very mixed, with a number of African Americans. We have discussions of race, and sometimes we have discussions of race where people express things that are outside the bounds of normal public conversation about race. But once, a very interesting thing happened. One of the members was discussing racism, talking about things that happen, that whites wouldn’t understand because they didn’t happen to whites. And one of the other African American members started to speak, paused, and then said “well, I’ve actually never experienced anything like that either.” And then another woman said she hadn’t either.
There is white complacency about race. I’ll certainly be accused of it here. And I’m willing to admit that when I examine some of my attitudes, I’m sometimes embarrassed to recognize this in myself.
But there is also a black & liberal tendency to be complacent about calling out racism. A tendency to classify as current ills that are simply not important any more. A tendency to classify a variety of ills under the category of racism, when that may lead to responses that don’t even help those being discriminated against.
I don’t believe it is particularly difficult for middle class black people to get ahead in this country. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve seen it, in the integrated suburb where my brother grew up, in the office where I work.
What I see instead is a growing divide between poor blacks and everyone else. An honest discussion about race would require a very different way of talking about things on all sides. One black friend who I’ve seen make the very criticism Barack made the other night — whites who are afraid when a black man approaches — also warned me against going to a train station in his neighborhood of Chicago, because it would be dangerous for a white guy. I myself don’t think it’s dangerous. But the point is that he doesn’t even recognize that cognitive dissonance — that it’s somehow wrong and racist for a white person to be fearful of a black person, yet he believes I’m in danger when around a bunch of black people in a public place.
The problems of today involve a very complex interplay of race and class. Race is more often a complicating factor than a direct one. It complicates the reactions of whites and blacks, makes many people deny obvious truths and blow up issues like balloons till they burst from the internal pressure.
I think it’s extremely important to tone down rhetoric to align with reality. To stop the talk of lynching and sundown towns, and use this instead as a moment to talk about today’s situation:
where a black woman from Schaumburg can go through life with race rarely causing identifiable problems, though it remains a tremendous font of conscious, careful interaction for her and those around her, and in some circles, it’s even an advantage, a conversation starter or a source of prideful communion;
where a hulking black man with dreads and a nice sweater and slacks can walk most anywhere with little attention being paid, since he’s understood as artistic or otherwise middle class;
all while their cousin from Englewood in her white t-shirt (which in her own community is a way to avoid any misunderstanding about gang signifying) will draw stares and looks of discomfort virtually anywhere she goes, even if she’s a Rhodes scholar;
and her brother, dressing in the style of his community, will provoke reactions in black and white people if he ventures outside his community, and probably draw extra police attention;
Are these reactions to race? In a certain way, but not primarily.
I know I’ve babbled here, and said some things that probably cross lines. Some things that I might challenge as racist if someone else made the claim, because I wouldn’t know where he was coming from and would assume he was painting with a broad brush or justifying uglier opinions of his own. I don’t have Barack’s gift of expression, nor the time in a blog post. But perhaps I’ve also expressed some things that are true.
yup
what - you don’t behave when i’m not around?
yeah. wonder what “for all it’s worth” will mean. hopefully it’s playing itself out.
Irt the flags, it’s kinda funny, isn’t it? Are those flags reproducing overnight. Will we see baby flag pins on his lapel?
Did you actually read that article? 6 hours of billable work, he gave the monies to charity that Rezko contributed… Wow, Obama is definitely tied into all Rezko’s dirty laundry…/s May I state for the record, I was an Edwards supporter, and caucused for Obama after he dropped out! I will vote for the Dem Nominee, period! Now, please, if you can produce real facts, I’ll pay attention…
Leaked to the very rightwing Moonie owned Washington Times.
-G
Oh geez, Norske, you crack me up, because you are so predictable, and often quite funny, whether you intend it or not. ;)
Right- I’ll take a chill pill, as long as you agree to also. ;)
Like, maybe just dial it down a notch or two?
Your friend, VG
Whole country seems to have a flag fetish.
It’s a cliffhanger, but I smell CHECKMATE!
We’ve been kinda bad tonight. {looks sheepish}
And I thought it was a boring Thursday…..
Oy vey.
I’ll wait to see if this is crappola or just disconnected dots.
Nah. You haven’t babbled. Grat post, in my view. very thoughtful. why would it piss off anyone?
Holy moly.
Amen brother.
-G
LMAO! *cleaning my ears out and pushing my skirt down because I’m embarrassed*!!!!
Oh my. How funny. I left you a comment back. ;-)
Well my grandmother is a “Typical White person”….say wha!!!!! I’m a typical White person. I never get scared when I see a black man walking down the street as a matter of fact I usually say hello!
Shoe meet mouth…Obama gave the racism angle new juice. Says his grand mother, a typical white person gets scared when she sees stranger walking down the street….This will tip it a bit more. I hopw the super delegates a listening to this.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/arc.....p?id=27266
“… .. The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know there’s a reaction that’s been been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that’s just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. … ..” - Senator Barack Obama
You seem to forget the MSM’s coronation of Hill as the inevitable Dem nominee before Super Tuesday, have you forgotten so soon…?
Bwahahahahaaaaa!!!!!
707
what he said.
i think the hope of some is to make Rezko a buzzword and repeat it over and over and over and hope it takes root as “something bad” or “something corrupt.” the facts will be left in the dust.
Oh, stop it.
Here’s the first link I found on Rev. Wright being retired (2nd paragraph):
http://www.dallasnews.com/shar.....746c9.html
I think it was on Huffington Post where the two new pastors were talked about. Too tired to find it at the moment. Sorry. ;-)
I could respond to your post but i have so many problems with just about everything you wrote that i don’t even know where to start. So I’m going to follow my first instinct and not answer. Off to the next post
LMAO! My stupidity never ceases to amaze me. LOL!
really.
aww no posting of TM here,please post a credible source
well, Pundita’s been all over it …
Interesting.
thanks . you didn’t have to do that — above and beyond. thank you very much.
You are forgetting David Vitter.
Hmmmm, no, I keep missing it.
Ahhh listen to the audio It sounds like Obama ahh is ahh ahhh talking ahhh….ahhhh
I was raised to fear black men. It took me along time to realize how much and to get over it.
i’m goin’ to the next tread. see yuz.
Former ambassador to Paraguay, my friend, real time scandal. :)
You’re welcome. On that note, I’m going to bed. Nite nite everyone. ;-)
No thanks, I’m personally not interested. Maybe you would be interested in reading about Hillary Clintons tie to the reichwing via
The Family
boa noite, Kay
That was just the polls talking. But there has been unfettered hostility from the MSM toward the Clintons. Remember Monica? Well, the media plkayed up Obama in hopes that he could win in Iowa….after they clobbered Edwards with the haircut story. Caucus states are weird. Primaries are more democratic. caucus states are vulnerable to being coerced. Hillary focused on primaries…her strengths. Obama could get more bang in the caucus states. But the media was all in for Obama. They never said a kind word for Hillary except that she was leading in the polls. Obama was charasmatic, brilliant, handsome, Kennedyesque…..Just why anybody wouldn’t be suspicious of a set up is beyond me. Hillary is divisive, big negatives….Yet who is really the divisive candidate….Obama. The Dems have never seen anything like this. Obama had to destroy the Clintons no matter what to have a chance. And the MSM was happy to oblige. This Wright thing is the natural evolution of the MSm campaign. to get Obama the nomination, and have Mc Cain win the GE.
I was raised to respect my fellow man…..I didn’t go to Reverend Wrights church. I was also raised to tell the truth. I don’t always succeed I sometimes have to lie to my children for sensivity reasons or general reasons to keep them in their innocense for a while longer..Seems Obama thinks its OK to lie to protect his minister…”I never heard that kind of talk when I went to church” or something like that. …
goodnight Kay.
UPDATE: Obama said in an interview today with Philadelphia sports radio station WIP 610 that the point he was making about his grandmother is not that she holds racial animosity, but “she is a typical white person,” the Associated Press reported.
“If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction in her that doesn’t go away and it comes out in the wrong way,” he said.
kay in maine at 428
i know, i know, i am still laughing!!!!!!
all i could think of was this is the most perfect emily latella example i have ever seen!!!!!!
is it ok if i call you emily?
deeply cracking up. my boobs are shaking. i’m wheezing.
i’ll go see what you wrote.
Wonderful post. This really is a test for America. Obama has passed it with flying colors by saying that e can play this kind of politics or we can deal with real issues like grownups. I have never in my life been so impressed by any political figure. Yet the media roll on as if nothing happened (in fairness the print media acknowledged the greatness of the speech, but alas a majority of Americans no longer read newspapers). The radio and TV roll on trying use race-based hate and fear to weaken his candidacy. I really feel that this is a moment that tests America’s capacity for growth — can we move forward or will the corporate media succeed in putting Obama in the pile with Gore and his earth tones and ‘exaggerations’, Dean and his scream, the ignored but for his haircut Edwards, and the swiftboated Kerry?
You shouldn’t get slaughtered for that post; it was thoughtful and a worthy point.
But the whole point about sundown towns is that the demographic reality that they created — white suburbs into which the networks and fundamentals of economic and social success are innately woven, with black clusters in the urban core where those networks do not exist — are very much still with us. It created a syndrome that nearly guarantees failure for young blacks, and makes upward economic mobility of any kind for African Americans very, very difficult.
The point is: I am very much talking about the present, which as always has its origins in the past.
good grief– why do you lie at all– especially with and to your children?
perhaps you could provide proof that Senator Obama shares your same proclivities…
sheesh.
next stop 414—
things are a product of how they began and how they develop, the entire scope of the progression and reach of the affects that are created make up what defines the reality of what it is, now.
and toward the end the examples of what you call ’today’s situation’ are examples of ’classification’ which are the basis of a form of prejudice, be it positive or negative, which is a form of racism.
you sound a little detached in your observations.
i think you’re missing the big picture, but i don’t think it’s of your own doing.
read more about it, dig a little deeper into it, get to know some of your book club people a little more personally.
then look at it again.
(on obama’s church’s website, i think it’s tcc.com or org, i went into the bookstore section, very interesting, i hadn’t read a lot of the books in there. black culture, black history. interesting. pick a few author’s names and go to the library.)
go dodd
Thanks for the post David– there’s something else at play here and it crosses over the black/white divide in this country and it has to do with the profound and endemic anti Muslim and brown people meme that is unfortunately not being addressed much because it is the bigotry du jour.
;(
>the examples of what you call ’today’s situation’ are examples of ’classification’ which are the basis of a form of prejudice, be it positive or negative, which is a form of racism.
Well, I might suggest you’ve posed that in a way that is logically, verbally backward. Discussions at an academic level like this one often make classification a subset of racism, but in fact, it’s the other way. Racism is a form of prejudice, a subset of classification. There was a time when race was so overriding in most people’s minds that it was hard not to think of prejudice as being synonymous with race, but today, that is not true. Middle class blacks are rarely slapped back and “put in their place” by people who believe that blacks have no business being upwardly mobile, as often, in fact almost without exception was done 40 years ago. Class is the most important signifier to us today. It has a complex interplay with race, because while in most white minds, the adjective black is not contained by the category of poor, poor is still nearly contained within with the mental category of black.
The other thing you may have overlooked is that in those examples at the end of my post, I wasn’t describing my own reaction. I was describing a reaction I’ve seen among others that is pretty common among both blacks and whites to blacks of different classes. But a distinction is often made. When whites react negatively towards poor black people, it’s called racism. When blacks react that way, it’s often acknowledged as a complex emotion, not least because often, black folks will try not to react this way in front of whites, so that when they open up their feelings, they are often in a setting where the complexity is acknowledged. I think it’s more honest to describe both reactions as classification, even prejudice. Rather than racism.
My musings may sound detached, partly because we all use tortured words to talk about these things. But I know my friends pretty well. And I live in a mixed race area that many would classify as a ghetto. Rather than say I’m detached, I’d describe the failings of what I’ve written as partly being a lack of fluency, but also as the inevitable partiality of writing — meaning that it’s impossible to express the totality of a situation. I’m responding to things that have been written, so I’m writing the other side of the argument. Afterwards, I’ll go to secondcitycop.blogspot.com and bitterly castigate some Chicago policeman for his racist post.
I think that one horrible outcome of the racial stalemate of the 60’s was that many urban white working class people gave up on government as being hopelessly detached. Cities became horrendously dangerous just as black people were moving into previously white neighborhoods. There was a complex background to this, but it became an ugly cycle, and ultimately, many cops gave up and said, black leaders won’t let us do what we need to do to keep the peace in their neighborhoods; many teachers gave up and said, urban schools are hopelessly corrupt, so I’ll bide time till retirement.
This is the more concrete situation we face today, where we are just digging out of that four decade spiral of devastated urban institutions. Paul Vallas took a school district in Chicago that was derided by cynical Republicans (who were nonetheless correct) as the worst in the nation, and “a rat hole” for money to be poured into, and made it into a district where teachers and administrators are working towards the goal of education. Chicago Public Schools are still a difficult environment, but a functional one. Bratton in New York did the same with the police department, insisting that black neighborhoods were not violent, that only poorly policed neighborhoods were violent. This was a lesson that didn’t seep in in Chicago for a decade, but in the last 5 years, we have seen murder rates and even shots fired rates plummeting. While we still have an image of poor black ghettos as hopelessly violent, in Chicago and New York, they are safer than they have ever been in the history of urban black populations.
This milieu of the evisceration and to some degree the regeneration of our public institutions will be of much greater importance to poor black people than the final destruction of every last vestige of racism. Irish and Italians people didn’t break out of their shantytowns by ending anti-Catholic prejudice — they took advantage of the GI bill, and of the ‘lace-curtain Irish’ exception, and then when there were suddenly loads of educated Irish and Italians around, the prejudice broke of its own weight. A prejudice that admits to large exceptions and loopholes (unlike the racism of past decades) is not insurmountable. What was insurmountable for the last three decades was the ingrained cynicism of the lower ranks of the bureaucracy. In this setting, the instinct to call things racist obscures much more than it clears up. Vallas didn’t turn the school system around by saying, you teachers are a bunch of left-over racists. He said, we’re getting rid of anyone who isn’t committed to the primacy of education in our schools. Bratton didn’t say, ya fuckin’ racist cops. He just told his commanders that if they had a lot of shots fired in their neighborhoods, they needed to ask for help until they figured out a way to make it stop.
This is some of what I mean by keeping things concrete. There is too much about the media narrative of racism, and not enough about what things would actually help. We’re in a setting where most people are no longer consciously racist, and reminding them that they’re still white pricks, even if they are, even if I am, isn’t nearly as constructive as reminding them that they damn well better respond to shots fired like a good cop, or they’ll lose their jobs.
I wonder if I could see my whole post in the comment area, if I’d realize how ridiculously long-winded I was getting, and cut myself off.
A hard refresh will reveal it.
It’s a good thing I didn’t start a revolution about it! LOL Can you imagine if we had headed to her office holding pitchforks & torches not realizing she had said “color” instead of “colored”? Whoa! LMAO!
I simply could not have said exactly what I feel about this more eloquently than you just did.
All I can say is ditto.
One last point about sundown towns, nextstop: As Loewen illustrates in vivid detail, the phenomenon is very much still with us. He was able to find towns that actually had ordinances on the books up into the 1980s. More to the point, they have continued to be enforced extralegally for many years up to the present, largely through silent enforcement from realtors and local communities who give any “invaders” rough treatment.
You should probably read his book. I happen to think everyone should.
Personally, I support Clinton. But anti-american and “hate speech” charges levelled at Rev. Wright are completely vicious, righty and anti-american. I am not going to get prissy because, he said “Goddamn America, for killing innocent people, etc..” Funny how media leaves those qualifiers out. And what is with the hostility toward addressing the history of Jim Crow, slavery, Vietnam, Iraq etc.? Should we all be waving like marionnetes at the flag, sing G*d bless our country, forget the history that plays into what happens today?