Juan Williams, of Fox and NPR, doesn't think Obama closed the deal with yesterday's speech. From his Fox commentary:
Obama has vigorously disavowed Wright’s inflammatory remarks, but in Tuesday’s speech refused to disavow the pastor himself or the 20-year relationship he’s had with him. Some political observers say the Illinois senator still has some more mending to do.
“I think it goes on,” National Public Radio national correspondent Juan Williams said of the controversy.
Williams, a FOX News analyst, questioned why Obama allowed himself to remain publicly associated with Wright. He said Obama did not address the “judgment and character” issues that he’s running on.
“I think he had to take responsibility … and that’s what he didn’t do,” Williams said.
He was equally unimpressed on NPR this morning (transcription mine)
You know, that's the problematic heart of this controversy. The question is why Obama has maintained a relationship with Reverend Wright, a man who has said things like the government is pumping drugs into the black community or spreading AIDS among people of color has said that America's foreign policy is somehow equal to that of the terrorists who attacked on 9/11. The idea that his grandmother expressing concern about black men as you just said is quite different than Reverend Wrights's statements - Obama said yesterday those were divisive, hateful statements - and somehow Barack Obama tried to make them parallel in scope.
Needless to say Williams' paraphrase of Wright's statements is a bit, shall we say, heated, but I can see why he would take anger and suspicion from a preacher in the inner city who lived through Jim Crow much more seriously than an innocuous thing like hearing from the grandmother who raised you while your mother was thousands of miles away that she feared and distrusted people who look like you.
Clearly Juan Williams is much more sensitive to the nuances of divisiveness than I am. F'rinstance, I thought this was a divisive statement.
And I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship. It was the same, and that's really what this society's all about now here in the U.S.A. There's no difference. There's no difference. There may be a cultural entertainment -- people may gravitate toward different cultural entertainment, but you go down to Little Italy, and you're gonna have that. It has nothing to do with the color of anybody's skin...
Later, during a discussion with National Public Radio senior correspondent and Fox News contributor Juan Williams about the effect of rap on culture, O'Reilly asserted: "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all."
Juan Williams: It’s rank dishonesty, and the troubling thing is that if I hadn’t participated in the discussion, if I was just tuning into CNN, or listening to MSNBC, and heard that, oh, Bill O'Reilly said he went to Sylvia’s restaurant in Harlem and they weren’t using M-F and all this kind of stuff, I’d say, “Oh my god. What is he thinking? Where’s that coming from? Why did he say something like that?” Not understanding that that discussion, Bill O’Reilly, I’m telling you, it’s so frustrating. They want to shut you up. They want to shut up anybody that has an honest discussion about race.
That's not completely fair. I'm much more fair and balanced than that. I think you should shut up too.
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I’ll take Obama over any republican.
I believe “Juan Williams of Fox” says enough of where he’s coming from here . . .
now we have to make sure we have enough of you to overcome the biggots that will take any white man over any black
they are legion but I do believe we will have a landslide for obama…so long as the republicans don’t do the counting, supply the machines, close the polls, threaten the democrats
Obama has vigorously disavowed Wright’s inflammatory remarks, but in Tuesday’s speech refused to disavow the pastor himself or the 20-year relationship he’s had with him. Some political observers say the Illinois senator still has some more mending to do.
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yes he needs to BURN HIS ROLODEX,iphone,laptop,in effigy….so not a symbolic,word or phrase remains..mebbe biggus dicckus can give him pointers on deleting the emails/
There is nothing Obama can do to please them. They want to bring him down and have chosen Wright.
If he gives a ground breaking speech they raise the bar. With Rush supporting Hillary and getting hundred of thousands votes for her, the right wing can and will call our elections.
They do not want to run against Obama.
Go on the defensive. Just where right-wing media would love to see him.
And McCain? I guess no calls there to do the same.
actually, i don’t believe that … i think they’ll make complete hay of the wright thing
that is what became evident to me yesterday
I think you’re right.
When all else fails they will shoot him.
And when can we be free of the likes of Juan Williams. What a weak suck up. He and Alan Colmes are sell outs.
[Mod Note: it’s probably best if we refrain from speculation about future assassinations.]
Juan William: House Slave
OTOH, Dubya as presidential candidate simply blew off any and all questions about his truly nefarious past, (his cocaine use is one small sample) and the MSM accepted his non-answers with a shrug and told us what a regular-type guy he was. Juan Williams is a right wing tool.
isn’t it a stinker?
Obama DID take responsibility but Juan & friends will NEVER give him credit.
The RIGHT WING media is heating up the Hill Obi fight and trying to make a case that Hill has not lost the contest when it’s pretty clear she has.
Meanwhile W gave billions to wall street and the middle finger to home owners.
Juan Williams:
So that’s what it is about O’Reilly that makes me want to shut him up: it’s because he’s so damn honest.
that williams is both on fox and npr speaks volumes. time to turn down the volume, or, better yet, turn them both off.
thats the kind way to put it…how does he look into a mirror
Responsibility for WHAT?
So I take a political science class and sit through some idiot ranting all semester that makes me responsible?
Many times I have heard a minister say something in their sermons that I do not agree with…. The church is more than the minister…. My parents seem to go through one on a yearly basis at their little rural church….. it is the community of the church not who happens to be the minister of the day…..
Democrats have to walk on water AND it is never enough
And we all know it is ok if you are a repug….
our answer to this should be…Juan you OBVIOUSLY were not paying attention,but millions of others of your RACE,and other races were….sad for you
Is it acceptable for a white guy to call Juan Williams an Uncle Tom? Has the term gone with The Jeffersons? It defines guys like Juan Williams.
He’s entitled to his opinion.
It’s wrong, of course, but he’s entitled to it.
Must be the effects of the company he regularly keeps (on Sunday morning in particular).
But then, what do you expect from someone who was told he “needed to be hosed down” and didn’t say “boo” about it when it happened.
See the dialog re: cushy media existence from the last thread.
my friggin gawd
this is nazi germany and thomas jefferson turns in his grave and weeps
May I try this? May I try a process of elimination?
What do we know?
We know McCain loves him some war. Goody for him.
We know HRC voted for the war. We do not know for sure her position on ending the war. very ambiguous.
We know Obama says he wants to end the war. Do we know for sure? No. But I’m willing to take the bet in this case over voting for more war.
McCain says he doesn’t know much about the economy.
HRC is very smart and would get smart people on the job.
HRC has some baggage in this department? (I think, no documentation on my part.)
Obama is also very smart and would get smart people on the job.
I lean to Obama every time. Maybe I will get burned. But I know I will with the alternative.
I left you a response at the end of the last thread.
they are seriously playing hardball
Yeah. Juan “I am paid to not like this speech” Williams.
i worked in the market for 8 years,i have seriously bad memories of the end,BHO ,is the first person running besides JE ,that gives me a modicum of hope
hansomely….sad,sad,sicko…..phants
Well, yes there is.
I last ate there about 5 or 6 years ago. I’m a white, blond middle-aged woman. I was meeting a white, blond middle-aged man. I walked thru the front door at the appointed hour, had not even begun to look for my companion when the maitresse d’ said: “He’s at the bar.”
handsomely….mebbe
It’s been sad to see Cokie Roberts, then Mara Liasson and Juan Williams move from NPR to the dark sides. Not that Cokie and Juan showed enough critical thinking skills to move very far outside the prevailing noise machine that’s current-day MSM; but I had greater hopes for Mara.
Jeez, I used to freak when China and Russia would arrest journalists for being “spies”…now it’s us. This is disturbing.
i blame SEVERE cocktail weenie addiction
I don’t know why you’re surprised. U.S. has been doing it all long. Do you remember when a U.S. tank took out al Jazeera during Shock ‘n Awe?
williams shows the ravages of spending so much time on fox! I heard him this morning and that is exactly what I came away with after he was finished.
This speech was so brilliant that it hurts to listen to all the fools who don’t see what the O man did yesterday.
What williams had to opportunity to do was to display some examples that supported the O mans position that the white community shares equally the feelings of fear of what is percieved to be threats to their well being by those that aren’t the “same”! How bloody sad he sounded this AM.
it FINALLY stopped raining….2 weeks
Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner!
People who didn’t get a “separation from Wright” weren’t listening, and will never be satisfied no matter what he says.
I think it speaks volumes about his character that he didn’t throw him under the bus, which would’ve been the easy thing to do.
It’s refreshing to have a candidate that won’t do anything to win, unlike Crazy McBush and Sen. Clinton.
Well, I guess I’m surprised because it’s US arresting US journalists. And it’s AP, FGS! I thought they were on the Cheney payroll.
If Juan Williams did not exist, FOX News would have to invent him.
self loathing methinks
you can’t choose your political science prof, but you can choose a spiritual advisor …
what utter good judgement it shows..really
I was for Edwards too, cause I thought he got it. Now it doesn’t matter to me because I have no more choices to make.
My face hurts again from laughing so hard at that hose down clip.
Juan’s expression is priceless.
I wouldn’t have blamed him if he hit Brit in the mouth instead of sitting there like a dumbass.
Must be a big paycheck to take that kind of humiliation.
i think there are 100s mebbe thousands,willing to take his place…the money is just too big
Actually, until this Wright controversy, Juan Williams has been reasonably supportive of Obama.
Rather that attacking Williams, why not consider what it is he is trying to say? A lot of people agree with him.
I do not agree with his statement, but I think his opinion is worth considering. Moreover, I want to go on record as saying that I think referring to him as a “house slave” is in very poor taste.
Perhaps this has been discussed, but I’m really tired of HRC using the Rovian tactic of taking a strength and making it a weakness…I like the speeches. After eight years of unmitigated bull, it’s music to my ears. And it doesn’t hurt that Obama’s kind of smart.
Not only does he speak beautifully, the speeches demonstrate his understanding of the issues, not just a kneejerk recital of what he thinks you want to hear.
I wasn’t a Obama backer before, but I am now!
i think BHO gets it,because he has to,this country,this planet will die ugly if somebody doesnt stop the madness,he has 2 kids he adores and he is GAME… very game imo
This is a two-year old story and the photographer, Bilal Hussein, is a friggin’ hajji. He’s clearly working for the enemy.
The contrast of OReilly mentioned in the post is not nearly as important as the contrast with Hagee and Parsley. They too have condemned the US and said it somehow deserved or played a causal role terrorist attacks, but simply had different rationales for the US’ wrongdoing. I strenuously disagree with both Wright and Hagee and Parsley. But Wright’s argument is far more plausible, and can even be argued over on rational grounds.
Furthermore, Hagee and Parsley and their fello quasi-Christian heretics, have very certain foreign and national security policies the advocate, indeed insist, that the US adopt. These policies all tend to lead to heightening tensions, especially in the Middle East, with hopes of igniting a global, world ending war. McCain sought Hagee and Parsley, and is distancing himself far less from them than Obama is from Wright. McCain has distanced himself from the racially and religious bigotry. Will he denounce their bloodthirsty and violent vision of US foreign policy? Those views have very real implications for how McCain will do his job and commander in chief. So, press this issue until McCain is forced to address it.
Time for full on total attack on this issue. Run straight ahead and push it every day until media forced to discuss it. When the wingnut public wigout and mindless yelling and frothing and hatemongering festival occurs, so much the better.
Thanks E. I was shooting my mouth off fact-free. I should know better! *g*
Look: Make no mistake about this. I have never had any doubts that Juan Williams is a complete moron–95 cent of the time…
I have a friend who’s a fairly major player at NPR. He referred to Juan Williams as “pretty much a complete turd,” and said that his view is widely shared.
I asked him why they kept the Juanster on, and he just shrugged and looked really tired and cynical.
he made no examples how anybody could 100 % disavow his friend without totally throwing him away….he chose to save the good and decent parts of his friend…and i cant say ididnt agree with the pastor about American Aggression and killing dropping not just 1 but 2 atomic bombs on STARVING civilians mostly woman and children
On the substance of Jaun Williams’s comments, there’s an alternative view which I picked up on WM
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c.....013355.php
Does America really need all these pundits to tell us what we should be thinking? The pundits are nothing more than members of a priviledged elite who have vested interests to protect.
I’ve heard that kind of language for several years now. “Oh,you have BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome).”
So, like a rabid dog, someone with BDS needs to be hosed down.
This is the America I’ve known for the last 7 years. I do not care who gets elected as long as it’s a Democrat.
ding ding ding!
Good point wesgpc
This would be good. The only one with the balls (no sexist intent) to do it is Obama.
And yet the journalists continue to kiss up to these thugs. I guess it’s battered wife syndrome or something.
I base my comments on what I’ve heard him say. Are you asking for a discussion of the content of what he has said?
How about this:
OK. I’ve considered that statement, and I don’t know where I could begin to engage a man with that perception in any meaningful dialog.
Only the journalists who kiss up are allowed to remain out of jail.
Okay…the racist overtones of a white man saying it to a black man was the offensive part to me. But since Juan didn’t take offense I was compelled to laugh at his similarities with a spineless jellyfish.
It might not be this particular journalist, it might be that AP was balking at carrying out something evil on behalf of the administration.
They did worse than that to Mazen Dana
we have made them highly paid CELEBRITIES what they celebrate i have no idea
I heard a commentator (a minister IIRC) on CNN say that to “disown” someone, such as family or a pastor, is inherently un-Christian, so Obama made the proper response.
Of course, these fools don’t see the irony in what they ask.
bwahaha…Joe Madison telling Pat Robertson he’s been black longer than he has…
I hear obama say that since he didn’t support the war from the beginning, he has superior judgement. And yet, I wonder about the judgement of a person that let’s one of his fundraisers buy a parcel of land next to the Obama home and then pays an extremely low payment to extend his side yard for it. Especially since this fundraiser is up for racketeering charges.
I also wonder about the judgement of a man that can sit and listen for 20 years to a oastor speaking of white racism, accusing the government of selling drugs to blacks in order to jail them, that blacks should sing not “God Bless America”, but “God damn America” AND saying said of the September 11th 2001 terrorist attacks that “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” I’d think if you were going to run for public office, that some folks would consider listening to stuff like that for 20 years might make a few folks suspicious of your judgement.
No, we do not need these professional pundits, who are really craven professional clowns who are used to keep viewers tuned in for the next commercial, nothing more. They fold in a very unprincipled way whenever pressure is applied. The latest example is their folding to pressure from HRC on how to cover Obama and superdelegate issues. I am not saying whether the HRC pressue was justified or not. But fact is, that HRC camp exerted pressure, and a few days later, AP and a few broadcast clowns started using the nomenclature demanded. So, beat them and attack them and charge them with a double standard regarding McCain. It has the advantage of being 100% true. So go after them hard and see what happens.
but that is the really odd thing about it,he didnt give a crpola
Yep. Another one. It’s one of the unwritten stories in the war how the U.S. has systematically bombed, murdered, or jailed every journalist they could get their hands on whose reporting is not hagiography.
For the record, I disavow Juan Williams’ sentiments!
Over 350,000 email messages have been sent by MoveOn members telling their friends about Obama’s awesome speech yesterday…help reach 400,000. Go here:
http://pol.moveon.org/obamaspeech/
assuming facts not put into evidence …beep
Believe me, I try.
I think Sen. Obama’s done the right thing. To ask him to disavow him personally is ridiculous, and over the top.
This man married him, and baptized his children.
So, a 20 year relationship should be tossed out the window to appease those who probably won’t vote for him anyway? No, he shouldn’t.
And, if he did, it would be pandering of the highest order.
What this shows is we like being lied to. We like being told what we like to hear.
Yesterday, Sen. Obama treated us like adults. Not D’s or R’s or I’s, but thinking, feeling adults.
I hope we’re ready for it as a country.
I know I am.
excuse me? it’s a matter of real estate records and then the video tapes of said pastor… if i sat in some church for twenty years listening to some old white guy go on like that about black folks I think you all would accuse me of enabling the KKK… and YOU’d be right
nobody but Obama knows what he heard,and when he heard it
Now now, the KKK is not a fair comparison, although you may not know it.
I’m glad you brought that up. Isn’t the story that he was going to expose mass graves of “illegal aliens” that were over there fighting for the US in and a big cover-up or something like that?
and i agrree with some of what Dr.Wright said,and im no anarchist
Please point me to the source for this quote — I must have missed it. I do know that this is what Malcolm X said after President Kennedy’s assassination. Did Wright lift that comment from Malcolm X? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did the Republican/MSM noise machine inject this poison into the public discourse?
okay, well, let me say, Pat Robertson’s CBS… if you’re a white christian and you sat and listened to him or Farwell… wouldn’t you get up and move to another church?
That’s not a correct analogy because there is no black equivalent of the KKK. And on an even deeper level there is no symmetry between the races in American society: The blacks are the ones who have been oppressed from the very beginning.
Wow, interesting hardball. Joe Madison snarkily offering dance lessons to the “white men”. Calling Pat Buchanan closeminded! Calling out hypocrisy!
Cats and dogs sleeping together. OK j/k about that part.
http://www.economist.com/world.....nwlptwfree
No, then I would be a Repub. And in fine standing I might add.
and wasnt a book called Blowback written onthis VERY subject
very well said
so what’s the difference between calling Pat Robertson a ‘old uncle I don’t always agree with’ and Jeremiah Wright the same thing?
NY Repu’ublist Peter King said today that it was every Repu’ublist’s duty to beat Sheik bin BaraBlackHusseinOsamaMadrassaBama over the head with reverend Wright every day from now ’til the Election.
how America creates BLOWBACK from wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)
Mr. Wright considers Louis Farrakhan and Muammar Qaddafi worthy of admiration and award. How does this differ from Mr. Robertson’s new jerk support of the worst Israel has to offer?
Yeah, I heard that and immediately thought it is our duty to hang the war, economy, Katrina, pardons, etc etc etc around McCain and the GOP every chance we get.
i’d believe that
Please see my 66 above. I feel this was handled correctly.
Not to mention Pastor John Hagee.
His brother alleged this
Doesn’t mean it’s true or not. He may have misunderstood what he heard.
Did you go to the link and read it? It’s a British magazine. I prefer to get my news out of this country most of the time. I find it a bit more objective.
So I see. History repeats itself, then. So where does that leave us? If we’re doing guilt-by-association (and choosing to disbelieve Obama’s clear delineation of differences), do we take everyone down?
Let’s ask John McCain-Hagee to cast the first stone?
See what I mean?
exactly, and we should play that vile man’s words every chance We get also
Julia,
This is so sporking frustrating. I’ve been interviewing people locally about whether or not comments made last Friday by a rightwing AM radio talk host and weekly news columnist are divisive, or hate speech:
I’ve talked to the radio manager and the newspaper editor. Both deny it is hate speech or divisive, and defend the asshole’s right to say anything he wants, even if untrue and provocative to an extreme degree.
Needless to say, the guy was talking about Obama, when he brought this up…
In addition to the other creepy things Cheney says in the Radatz interview, he says this…very interesting choice of words…:
”Q What sacrifice have most Americans made?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, I think they’ve been asked to support the effort and the enterprise.”
Support the Enterprise…hmmm….business venture???
McCain doesn’t have to cast any stones and he won’t … it’ll be a swift boat set up
oh but he is a XTIAN a very,very bad XTIAN!!!!/
Funny thing about it: most no longer do. Cheney’s tune is the only thing that hasn’t changed. I think it’s because he’s a bastard.
Who is the enemy of the US?
The thought that you have to agree with everything your priest says and follow it is absurd. I do think its a political issue that agents are not going to leave alone and that compounds a problem. The length of time and the volumes of stuff said means we are going to get one a week as well.
For me I do not much care, so the guy rails every now and them. The way Obama is being attacked to me is going to convince me to send him money. I hope he raises 60 million this month or some silly number.
The double standard on NPR and other shows that do not mention McCain hugging and loving endoresement (in a flip-flop from 2000) from the bigots that think Katrina and 9-11 were deserved for American depravity are even worse (seeing has how they have not been opressed, rather they want to do some opressing) with the exception that could be reported that no McCain has not been down with them for 20 years (but again with the note that he flip-flopped to show his love just like when he kissed Bush).
the man is so verrrry warped,and depraved
Back to work for me . . . thanks all for the discussions.
Hey folks. Sorry I’m late. Still at work.
Going back to read now.