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	<title>Comments on: DHS Data Mining&#8211;It&#8217;s as Bad as You Thought</title>
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		<title>By: JimTheCynic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/19/dhs-data-mining-its-as-bad-as-you-thought/#comment-1346889</link>
		<dc:creator>JimTheCynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;LHP, the question I have is can Bush pardon anyone and everyone who has been in his administration on his way out the door, or can he pardon only people who have been charged and/or found to be guilty of a crime?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey…   want to see &lt;strong&gt;something really scary&lt;/strong&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Time/Date Stamp:   11:59 AM, January 20, 2009&lt;br /&gt;
I hearby pardon any and all members of my administration whom I, as President of the United States, appointed. This pardon is effective for any and all acts that may or may not have been committed throughout the entirity of my term as President of the United States, commencing January 20, 2001 until today January 20, 2009.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Signed,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;George W Bush&lt;br /&gt;
President of the United States&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>LHP, the question I have is can Bush pardon anyone and everyone who has been in his administration on his way out the door, or can he pardon only people who have been charged and/or found to be guilty of a crime?</p>
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<p>Hey…   want to see <strong>something really scary</strong>?</p>
<p><em>Time/Date Stamp:   11:59 AM, January 20, 2009<br />
I hearby pardon any and all members of my administration whom I, as President of the United States, appointed. This pardon is effective for any and all acts that may or may not have been committed throughout the entirity of my term as President of the United States, commencing January 20, 2001 until today January 20, 2009.</em></p>
<p>Signed,</p>
<p>George W Bush<br />
President of the United States</p>
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		<title>By: JimTheCynic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/19/dhs-data-mining-its-as-bad-as-you-thought/#comment-1346876</link>
		<dc:creator>JimTheCynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The important “confession” here is that DHS still has not taken the required Privacy Revies an Minimization steps&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What does that matter? The data-mining is still ongoing. No one in DHS will be brought to task. Congress will not impose consequences on anyone in this administration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is what happens when impeachment is off the table.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The important “confession” here is that DHS still has not taken the required Privacy Revies an Minimization steps</p>
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<p>What does that matter? The data-mining is still ongoing. No one in DHS will be brought to task. Congress will not impose consequences on anyone in this administration.</p>
<p>This is what happens when impeachment is off the table.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/19/dhs-data-mining-its-as-bad-as-you-thought/#comment-1346873</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the only reason they reported them this time was because Congress already new the programs existed. This was DHS fig leaf for why they did not report them originally.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The important “confession” here is that DHS still has not taken the required Privacy Revies an Minimization steps&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the only reason they reported them this time was because Congress already new the programs existed. This was DHS fig leaf for why they did not report them originally.</p>
<p>The important “confession” here is that DHS still has not taken the required Privacy Revies an Minimization steps</p>
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		<title>By: JimTheCynic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/19/dhs-data-mining-its-as-bad-as-you-thought/#comment-1346872</link>
		<dc:creator>JimTheCynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;i thought congress deep sixed the TIA Darpa/Poindexter baby .. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress &lt;em&gt;did &lt;/em&gt;deep six TIA. But TIA was a &lt;em&gt;DoD &lt;/em&gt;program. All the data-mining and spying on American citizens that LHP is reporting on were carried out by &lt;em&gt;DHS&lt;/em&gt;. That’s a completely different department. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Get that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress passed a law forbidding DoD from data-mining, but surprisingly that doesn’t forbid &lt;em&gt;another &lt;/em&gt;executive department from doing the same thing. Isn’t it amazing how the Bush/Cheney folks can parse a law forbidding data-mining all they can get their hands on about the American public by DoD &lt;em&gt;doesn’t &lt;/em&gt;forbid DHS from doing the same?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Isn’t it a dirty shame that Congress can’t figure out how to stop this shit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>i thought congress deep sixed the TIA Darpa/Poindexter baby .. </p>
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<p>Congress <em>did </em>deep six TIA. But TIA was a <em>DoD </em>program. All the data-mining and spying on American citizens that LHP is reporting on were carried out by <em>DHS</em>. That’s a completely different department. </p>
<p>Get that?</p>
<p>Congress passed a law forbidding DoD from data-mining, but surprisingly that doesn’t forbid <em>another </em>executive department from doing the same thing. Isn’t it amazing how the Bush/Cheney folks can parse a law forbidding data-mining all they can get their hands on about the American public by DoD <em>doesn’t </em>forbid DHS from doing the same?</p>
<p>Isn’t it a dirty shame that Congress can’t figure out how to stop this shit.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/19/dhs-data-mining-its-as-bad-as-you-thought/#comment-1346866</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;THAT may be my fault. If you go the link Igave for the full report, it contains the original language, which was prett lengthy. The post was very long as it was and I did not want to add a nother 100 or more words in he form of quotes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the orginal definition onto which the quotede alnguage is merely an enhancement is there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Frnakly, I didn’t really see an obvious reason why the orginal definition didn’t emcompass the programs they are fessing up to now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THAT may be my fault. If you go the link Igave for the full report, it contains the original language, which was prett lengthy. The post was very long as it was and I did not want to add a nother 100 or more words in he form of quotes.</p>
<p>But the orginal definition onto which the quotede alnguage is merely an enhancement is there.</p>
<p>Frnakly, I didn’t really see an obvious reason why the orginal definition didn’t emcompass the programs they are fessing up to now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jkat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/19/dhs-data-mining-its-as-bad-as-you-thought/#comment-1346625</link>
		<dc:creator>Jkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i thought congress deep sixed the TIA Darpa/Poindexter baby .. isn’t this another example of the executive just making an end run around the law .. ala iran/contra … a direct attack on the underpinnings of our constitutional form of government ?? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i mean .. lawbending ..scofflaw-ism .. and even outright lawlessness has been and remains a hallmark of this [mis]administration but what the fuck .. will congress ever stand up and stop this shit ?? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;odds ??&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i thought congress deep sixed the TIA Darpa/Poindexter baby .. isn’t this another example of the executive just making an end run around the law .. ala iran/contra … a direct attack on the underpinnings of our constitutional form of government ?? </p>
<p>i mean .. lawbending ..scofflaw-ism .. and even outright lawlessness has been and remains a hallmark of this [mis]administration but what the fuck .. will congress ever stand up and stop this shit ?? </p>
<p>odds ??</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/19/dhs-data-mining-its-as-bad-as-you-thought/#comment-1346489</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Sigh. None of this actually surprised anyone here, did it?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only thing that surprises me is that they reported this honestly once the new definitions were arrived at. Didn’t they get the memo that no one in the Executive Branch has to provide anything to Congress if they don’t want to?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sigh. None of this actually surprised anyone here, did it?</i></p>
<p>The only thing that surprises me is that they reported this honestly once the new definitions were arrived at. Didn’t they get the memo that no one in the Executive Branch has to provide anything to Congress if they don’t want to?</p>
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		<title>By: broadbrush</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/19/dhs-data-mining-its-as-bad-as-you-thought/#comment-1346362</link>
		<dc:creator>broadbrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Crimes have been committed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crimes have been committed.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/19/dhs-data-mining-its-as-bad-as-you-thought/#comment-1346275</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;He’d need a hard hat and work boots.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He’d need a hard hat and work boots.</p>
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		<title>By: Quebecois</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/19/dhs-data-mining-its-as-bad-as-you-thought/#comment-1346157</link>
		<dc:creator>Quebecois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Data mining…  I’m certain Brent spiner would hate that!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Data mining…  I’m certain Brent spiner would hate that!</p>
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