The Department of Homeland Security just sent a report to Congress about its data mining activities. This is the third such report as required under Section 806 of the Federal Agency Data Mining Reporting Act of 2007.
Under the Act, DHS was compelled to go back and report on its data mining activities in 2006 and a previous report for data mining activities in 2007.
It seem as though Congress did not like the previous reports and thought that DHS was using a definition of data mining that was too narrow which might have excluded too many DHS programs.
So, Congress, in House Report 109-609, gave DHS a detailed definition of what data mining means to them to be added on top of the definition that DHS was already using.
.... a query or search or other analysis of 1 or more electronic databases, whereas (A) at least 1 of the databases was obtained from or remains under the control of a non federal entity, or the information was acquired intially by another department or agency of the Federal Government for purposes other than intelligence or law enforcement; (B) a department or agency of the Federal Government or non federal entity acting on behalf of the Federal Government is conducting the query, or search or other analysis to find a predictive pattern indicating terrorist or criminal activity; and (C) the search does not use a specific individual person's identifiers to acquire information concerning that individual.
DHS has apparently gone back to the drawing board and is taking another crack at the 2007 report, using the newer definition.
And guess what they found? Yep, a whole bunch of activities that DHS had not reported to Congress as being data mining turned out to be.....wait for it.....data mining! Who'da thunk it?
The not previously reported data mining includes an inbound and outbound cargo analysis program, ADVISE (Analysis, Dissemination, Visualization, Insight and Semantic Enhancement program pilot), and ICE's DARTTS program (Data Analysis and Research for Trade Transparency System). [Anybody interested in money laundering in the wake of the Spitzer scandal really wants to read this link, it is full of examples of how the Bank Secrecy Act reporting requirements actually work in the field.]
Anyway, DHS should have done a Privacy Impact Assessment of these programs to see if they a) infringed on people's privacy, and b) what mitigation measures could be taken to ameliorate that infringement.
Since DHS didn't include these programs in its reporting, you already guessed that it didn't do the privacy assessment, right?
Sigh. None of this actually surprised anyone here, did it?
DHS promises to go back and do the privacy assessments and to be good little boys and girls in future, but basically, this is Congress catching them red handed.
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LHP !
hiya LHP!
LHP, this all assumes that they CARE about anyone’s privacy. We have none you know.
and hi Teddy. They all downstairs? Or enjoying the weather?
Betsy,
I know they don’t care. Congress knows they don’t care, which is why Congress passed a law requiring them to do this privacy review
Impeach the entire DHS leadership!
since there must be so much spying it makes FISA look like window dressing. Don’t it? Just there to look purty.
Thanks for this LHP.
I want to be sarcastic & dismissive because what I think they’ve been doing is so much worse than anything we’ve caught them at, including this.
But I’m stopping myself. This is the kind of building blocks that are required to do the hard work to take these people down.
Thanks again.
Wow. Thank you for the great posts on this and, well, everything else.
He’s Backkk…!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7306002.stm
Window dressing…that’s Bush’s approach to being PReznit.
But it’s too early. It’s not October yet. Or do they have a whole series they’re planning to release over the next 7 months?
My 12 in response to CT @ 10.
shhh, their listening ;-)
Like the picture - did the former DHS definition only include info collected while wearing a plastic hat with a little light on it, while holding a pickax in the non-typing hand? Good stuff in this post.
Congress catching red handed, but nothing much will happen, will it? *sigh*
Combine that with Jeff Stein’s attempts to nail down where DHS is getting their info and who they are giving to to and start building the house of cards.
http://public.cq.com/docs/hs/h.....84111.html
Mike Chertoff Takes See-No-Evil Stance on NSA Wiretaps
The whole exchange between Stein and Chertoff is pretty interesting, but in the end I think what you walk away with is not only did “the wall” come down, but now anything anyone picks up doing anything can and will be handed off to pretty much anyone - - all with no standards, no probable cause basis, and definitely enough “lost” or “never kept” records to make sure that there is never accountability for Constitutional violations.
they’re ack!
OMG, that would be hilarious if I read it at a spoof sight!
OBL is picking a fight with the Pope?
You just can’t make this shit up.
these new posts are coming fast and furious, or maybe it’s just me *g*
Yes, but can they hear? /s
Digg It!!
I wonder if Teddy Kennedy has been finally taken of the ‘No-Fly’ list… One would think he’d be particularly concerned about DHS’s BS…!
There are special places in hell for the whole lot of them involved
Bush is the worst President in our history and Michael Chertoff is the most incompetent man in his Administration so no, I’m not surprised.
I wouldn’t want to be a Dane, now…!
Yep, yep, and yep
I think if i was working in a danish sky scraper right now I’d be very afraid
Yes, it’s the Bush Wing of Hell and it’s quite large.
More DHS programs
Is that some crazy shit, or what?
And the response by Congress will be…
speaking of american values, I managed to stay up and watch John Adams last night and its wonderful
More lipstick on the pig. What the hell else?
rouge? eye shadow? mascara?
Congress: ** crickets **
we did too!! isn’t it awesome? I don’t get excited about tv (outside of Dexter) but I am looking forward to Sunday
BTW,I left you a message on the other post
You can make the whole pig over, but it’s still a pig.
ok, i’ll check it out …
I’m just shocked that DHS has actually gone ahead and redone the report at all.
I would have expected Chertoff to ignore them.
It reminds me of the same petty outrage displayed by the Christian Right, albeit, not taken to the same extremes, but… 8-(
I’ve watched it twice now. It really is very good.
They’ve been caught not doing privacy assessments before. My favorite DHS stories are the Coast Guard building boats that don’t float and private security disposing of a suspicious white substance (think anthrax) by tossing it out Chertoff’s window. FEMA was not an aberration.
Now THERE’s a bumpersticker slogan I would like to put on my car
It depends on what the definition of “is” is, don’t you think?
Republicans who hated Bill Clinton with a passion went to school on everything he said and did, apparently in the belief in this syllogism:
a. Bill Clinton was a successful, popular president (much as they hate to admit it.)
b. It must be the stuff that Bill Clinton did that made him successful and popular.
c. Therefore, if we take stuff that Bill Clinton did, and extrapolate it to the 9th power, that should make us successful and popular. And if anyone complains, all we have to do is say, “Bill Clinton did it!” and that will make it all OK.
See how easy it is?
Bob having a cynical moment in HI
Perfume?
Bob in HI
you know, this day and age it’s really refreshing to see the basic righteousness that gave this nation its identity, it’s nice to be reminded that we have so much to offer, and that we have to fight to keep those ideas of liberty, justice, and rights of people central to who we are… it’s time to get rid of the ‘imperial’ presidency
all we have to do is say, “Bill Clinton did it!” and that will make it all OK.
Works for the republics.
try it with a simpler word than “aberration”.
“Bill Clinton did it!”
Yep, that was used during the USA Purgegate…
BTW, Bob, Mazie is uncommitted on who she’s gonna vote for…!
new hair do and a string of pearls
Now, let me get this straight…OBL gives a hoot about the Pope? He might not even be alive…
Plus, who really hates the Catholic Church???? …I can think of a few names…Great Whore…
Who said that again????
So 4 times in 48 hours McInsane makes the same mistake about Iran and Al Queda. At what point do they question his mental fitness to run the country? And foreign policy is supposed to be his strong suit. Is that why liarman is following him everywhere to remind him the same way Nancy used to remind ronnie?
pretty scarf
Please don’t forget the shoes.
party hat and some gloves
i picture a cartoon MCain, with those two little cartoon devils on his shoulder, lindsay and leiberbusch
The pig is beginning to sound like a $10 hooker. :)
Can’t be soon enough for me
odd thing that!
The coast guard building boats that don’t float? What?
Thanks, LHP.
Minor edit
They still do
And they’ll try to link Hill to all of those, even if there’s no there there
I was thinking false eyelashes might be the answer.
OT–
McCain appears to be a complete idiot on KO, with all those clips being repeatedly played of him getting facts wrong about Iran in Iraq training Al-Qaeda, being corrected by his pal Joe-Lie (!), and then coming back next day to repeat the same mistake. Senility? Demetia precox? Take you pick…
they’d make up evil things about Jesus if he ran as a democrat
and will give you change when it’s done *g*
Excellent post, LHP, any time frame for ‘getting back’ to Congress?
oooh and a beauty mark
This is big LHP..don’t you think?
I love to hear the words, “red-handed”…makes my day!!!
Chertoff needs to resign for lying to the American people.
What the hell with Jonathan Alter who sez that McCain doesn’t want to get down in the “muck” (muck=facts) like “some of those other politicians.”
Geez.
Of course! Socialist. Class warfare.
304. The Coast Guard is in the process of building 8 cutters as part of a fleet expansion program called Deepwater which is overbudget and behind schedule. The cost of the first vessel the 418 foot Bertholf has doubled to $640 million and is 8 months late. It has hundreds of problems with its communications system (supplied by Lockheed Martin) which will prevent it from dealing with classified information. It also has design flaws (Northrop Grumman is the builder) that could lead to premature cracks due to metal fatigue reducing the ship’s projected 30 year life span. The Coast Guard, nevertheless, was willing to accept receipt of the ship and repair these defects despite it being the contractor’s responsibility.
On September 25, 2007, a whistleblower Anthony D’Amiento passed on sensitive but unclassified documents showing that the Coast Guard was aware of these problems. On October 1, 2007, D’Amiento was put on leave and instructed to cooperate with Coast Guard investigators, which he did. On October 29, 2007, he was told that he could pick up his home and office computers being held by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Inspector General. When he arrived, he was met by Paul Weare an investigator for the DHS Inspector General Richard Skinner who tried to question D’Amiento without his lawyer being present. D’Amiento refused at which point 3 security guards appeared. One of them pointed a gun at D’Amiento’s chest and he was told he would be arrested if he ever came back. His computers were not returned. This kind of brutish, clownish behavior all in the effort to cover up a service that can’t get its radios to work or its ships to float is exactly what you would expect of Michael Chertoff’s DHS. It is also another example of how the government goes after whistleblowers rather than the greedy, incompetent, and corrupt they expose.
Nor was this the first problem the Coast Guard had since it let its Deepwater contract to Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin in 2002. There was an initial plan to add 13 foot extensions to all 49 of its 110 foot Island class cutters at a cost of $11 million a piece. In 2004, one of these the Matagorda fleeing Hurricane Ivan was subsequently found to have a 6 inch crack in its deck and buckling in the structural members of its hull beneath its main engine. Shaft alignment problems were also found. Following a lengthy study, on November 30, 2006, the 8 ships which had undergone the hull extension at a cost of $88 million were pulled from service.
The Coast Guard and its contractors next went for a 140 foot Fast Response Cutter made out of composite materials, instead of steel. Except that none of them knew much about composite materials and after $26.7 million, they still didn’t have a viable design. The take home message here is that, despite repeated failures, the defense contractors involved are doing fine. I just hope that Coast Guard personnel know how to swim.
I know the pope looks a bit like a cadaver, but I think he is still alive.
*g*
And that’s just what they admit to, never mind how well they do any of it.
A few follow up questions, just to give Congress a few ideas: What “private contractors” were and are involved in this loop? How do their contracts restrict - or fail to restrict - use of that data by the contractor? (We all know how well Bush oversees contractors in Iraq.) What methodologies are used to update, correct and delete information no longer required for legitimate purposes? How do they work in practice and how are they audited?
What are the odds that DHS will complete their “do over” before Shrub leaves town? (Cheney, apparently, intends to live in McLean, VA, a short underground golf cart ride from the CIA’s HQ, the better to protect his legacy.)
Snort!!
Mudlide McSlim
Mmmmmm….sounds like a great name for a new drink.
The fact that Congress is making DHS re-do their homework is a good thing. I’m Pollyanna, I know, but I keep thinking the democrats have a master plan for taking these criminals down. Maybe not until after 1/09, but taking them down.
LHP, the question I have is can Bush pardon anyone and everyone who has been in his administration on his way out the door, or can he pardon only people who have been charged and/or found to be guilty of a crime?
Joe Lieberman-the whore whisperer.
-G
Good Grief ! h/t Charlie Brown
You mean “proactive retroactive immunity”?
Sad to say, but with all of the Hillary bashing, I can hardly watch Olbermann any more. I always try, but I have to turn it off as many days as not. Our people should not be trying to take down our candidates.
The coast guard let a contract to both build new boats and to “improve” some existing boats.
The vendor evidently totally F*d up and the welds were so weak that the Commandant would not allow the boats into service. So, net, the Coast Guard had fewer boats than before the VERY EXPENSIVE contract.
For some reason, my very hazy memory suggests there may have also been issues in how the contract was awarded, but don’t take that to the bank
Oh…shizzola…that does look funny…I was thinking about kidney-machine totin’
IranianAfghaniIraqisoon to beSyrianerrrr…the Saudi guy…the Sunni Saudi guy…At the time, they made up evil things about Jesus and put him to death based upon the lies. In fact this week we get to replay that particular passion and death.
Some things never change. Sigh.
Ummm…isn’t data-mining illegal?
Alter seems to be the perfect corp media rep, so I interpreted what he said as being representative of how the media will dismiss every McCain shortcoming. I doubt that Alter has any idea of how biased he is.
Isn’t that the sort of thing that makes the bible, myths, Shakespeare plays, timeless?
politics still is politics
Hiya NSA, CIA, FBI, PQG, MSM, NRC, RNC, IYQ,
Hey, how do y’all like your families being spied on???? It’s the Homelandian way, is it??
OMG, Hugh. I’d totally missed that. Why is it that when these contractors foul up, it’s our job to start from scratch and pony up yet again? Is it January yet?
“BTW, Bob, Mazie is uncommitted on who she’s gonna vote for…!”
That prolly means that she’s supporting Clinton, but doesn’t want to say so in public.
Bob in HI
I don’t think so, they go to great lengths to describe the steps of the process, so Congress should be able to track the progress pretty easily
Don’t hold your breath for that one. If he didn’t resign over something HUGE like Katrina……
Go to Taylor Marsh’s blog these days. The place has turned into LeftWingnuttia in terms of demonizing Obama. The vitriol there is breathtaking. According to her posters, Obama is the Devil Incarnate, an empty suit fraud determined to steal the
coronationnomination from its Rightful Owner Hillary by any means necessary.I’d watched the House committee’s hearing and one of the major problems was the 13 ft extensions weren’t even computer simulated to determine their structural integrity, Grumman received numerous exception approvals to skip the testing… Several Republican House members were just as appalled as the Dems were…
No.
Bush’s speech has inflections very similar to his pre-Iraq speeches…only this time it’s the “economy” spoken breathlessly…..bugga frikkin’ bugga.
The man does not consume food…he reminds me of that android in Alien.
Ford Pardoned Nixon who had not been charged much less convicted of a crime.
It has not yet been challenged in court, so, nobody knows the answer.
That was my take on her position, too… 8-(
why would he resign. CNN’s sayin’ shrub’s going to address the world in the coming das to declare VICTORY in both the war on terra and the war in Iraq. We won. Chertoff helped us wing. ’nuff said. :P
president bubble boy?
But, I thought they made DARPA or whatever Poindexter’s data-mining thing was called, illegal.
Marilyn Monroe weeps in her grave.
-G
yep
If Chertoff were to resign, it really should probably be for telling Chiquita to keep providing material support to the Latin American terrorists, doncha think?
OT, but not completely - Italian judge lifts the suspension that had been put on the trial of the CIA agents and others who were involved in the kidnapping for torture of “Abu Omar”
http://www.agi.it/italy/news/2.....1-art.html
There’s a housing bubble and there’s Preszdinent Bubble.
The Presidential pardon power is plenary, and can include offenses not yet even charged.
more like president bubbles for brains.. or maybe bubbles for a conscience too
No, they simply refused further funding of TIA as then proffered legislatively. But, it’s back under other names.
I live around the corner from a naval architecture institute (I live in the coolest neighborhood, not one normal neighbor in the lot)
You even say the word “Coast Guard” over there and they instinctively cringe. That contract was just bizarre
Probably a similar condition to Chertoff’s summer terror attack gut bubble. One big fart.
81 - the part that has changed is the part where Jesus could request forgiveness because his torturers knew not what they did.
Our torturers and their supporters knew exactly what they were doing.
no, i see a bush bobble head … heckuva job brownie, heckuva job bernie, heckuva job cheney … and the bobble head is inside a glob
I heard that too. Hell of a note.
globe, you know except it’s not a snow globe, more of the fog of war and alcohol
TIA…right…I thought that meant Transient Ischemic Attack…that would be McBush though…
The article at the following link would suggest that the private sector was working on this for other reasons and had a package in hand when BUSHCO came calling (pun intended.)
http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok.....s-pro.html
Also, here’s a short essay on why rhis stuff really doesn’t work when applied to terrorist activities. Which means its really being used for something else. . .
http://www.schneier.com/essay-115.html
BTW, this guy is the most level headed security consultant I’ve ever read. His blog is excellent, and Friday he blogs about . . . squid.
windje
I don’t know what “blanket immunity” means.
You reminded me of something I read a while ago, and had to verify on the google
70% of all surveillance is done by civilian contractors
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00978.html
CIFA
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind.....d_Activity
“Chatty Georgie” Pull my string..
I’ve stopped visiting Taylor too.
Thanks for the links windje!
He was in my law partner’s General crimes class at USAO SDNY, he was like that even as a young man. I first met him, er, around 25 years ago and I used to beg him to tell me the secret of his metabolism. Instead of being flattered, he would get pissed off.
Chertoff has always been like that.
lol
TIA. Total Information Awareness. I was all over it from Day One.
Fox News used it for the bedbug infestation.
Everybody knows that real men don’t wear undies under their kilts.
Chertoff is probably the homliest man my eyes have ever had the sorry job of looking at.
And he has a bit of a lisp.
Quite an attractive package. NOT.
Whatever makes your dress fly up!
His name is so….staccato…just like the way he is, and the way he looks.
Sad. She and I are/were friends. She and Mark and Cheryl and I hung socially now & then. The overheated anti-Obama rhetoric over there is very disconcerting.
thongs?
Taylor went batty. For a smart gal she can be completely irrational.
She likes having the fawning throngs on her comments.
The housing bubble popped, maybe the other will too.
With this bunch, my suspicion is that “blanket impunity” is more a propos. Who needs immunity when you can behave with utter impunity?
Duck and cover!
lol
Chertoff is an Israeli.
Hmmmm how convenient.
and “no quarter” for the same reason…and “talk left”
Yes, none of these programs ever really go away or their information erased. In my item 253, I also note how it can work the other way when an NSA cyber program called Turbulence was split into pieces to hide it from the Congress until it was up and running.
i see cheney is over fishing on the yacht of one of the emirate sheiks, i wonder how much damage he can do with a fish hook?
Perhaps I should cut back on the inferences to pot smoking and such in various blog forums?
If you haven’t read Pepe Escobar’s analysis on the 5th year anniversary of the Iraq debacle. Here it is.
-G
KO playing Smuggy McDickhead Bush and his latest smirky lecture.
Lisp?
I never noticed a lisp, not once in 20 years.
It’s probably a typo in FISA…
err…we meant “impunity”…we misrememberspokespelled.
And a signer of the PNAC document.
Are all of these spy programs “up and running” (your words) like the Coast Guard ships are floating?
lol…who’d of guessed?
Wait a minute. I’ll put Lieberman up against Chertoff in any contest.
is the PNAC site still dead? or has it risen from the dead, like McCain?
Dang, my Grandma made me wear’em when I was a wee lad attending the Gathering of the Clans in Pugwash, N.S…! ;-)
These crooks really like to compartmentalize and split things into millions of untraceable items…like the mortgages…
Do they fish for barracuda?
Chertoff wins by a mile. JMO.
The site is still dormant fot the most part, but the movers and shakers are still alive and well… Bloody Bill Kristol, Darth Cheney, Chertoff et. al.
;~(
Thar she blows:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
that would be cannibalism, but heck it’s cheney, could be
OT: Dan Abrams tonight is starting a new segment called “Teflon John” that is about McCain. Sounds promising.
The transoceanic cable season hasn’t ended. He’s probably after one of those.
Um, is that the kind of toilet that shit just slips off of?
Interesting that there are no issues in South America at the moment.
daschle and shumer are on lkl with wolfie sitting in for the nearly dead LK
I love, love, love Nova Scotia.
Daschle makes a sloth look positively lively.
I’ll watch for as long as I am able!
There are “black op” issues in S. America…
it’s that fast paced live style in SD
Prolly so yer wee marbles stay warm … *g*
So do I, in the Summer…! ;-)
Secretary Rice disagrees. Remember, last week she raised the spectre of AQ-like terra’ groups coming out of Latin America, funded by Comrade Hugo and his buddies in Equador and Bolivia? This type sees “issues” and threats (or just fearmongering opportunities) wherever there are brown people.
… the whole 2 weeks ?!! *g*
Is that what it is? I cannot for the life of me understand how he ever got elected, not because he is a bad person but there’s no there there.
one of my colleagues just took a job up there … he’s used to the balmy tropical wind down here … can’t wait to hear from him when the ice age lays in
Heh, or to keep me from scratching… That wool is itchy…! *g*
I used to go camping at Petite Riviere…we’d pull mussels in seaweed off the rocks and grill them in the seaweed, eat them with the great bread, and drink Molsen beer by the case…and eat “pudding”…
Sigh…gorgeous…
i have yet to figure out the what the deal is… I look for the substance in what folks say and not anything else. But look at this president… is there every SUCH an enigma… why would you put any one in a major decision making position that so clearly lacked a functioning brain? I’m just clueless on that, completely and abundantly clueless.
Nothing like one couontry (Columbia) invading another (Ecuador). Nothing to see there. Just move along.
looseheadprop.
As a lawyer, you know this: There are 3 co-equal branches of government.
The executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch.
Administrative agencies, such as DHS, are subordinate. For example, the IRS is an executive agency that takes its basic orders, in the form of legislation, from congress.
Congress gives up its position under the Constitution when it defers to an administrative agency.
So much for constitutional and administrative agency law.
Do Americans want to adhere to the Constitution?
At long last The Clintons have released Hillary’s White House schedule, and the MSM are dutifully reporting on the most salient aspects of it:
namely, that Hillary was in the White House when Monica swallowed (most of) the music.
LOL!
The DOJ was the administrations enforcer, but the real fascists are lodged in DHS. ONe of the first tasks of the next Democratic administration is to abolish that nest of nazi’s.
I liked Cape Breton a lot, and the lobster was the best…!
Corporations control the President. A clueless president is easiest to control…dementia/Reagan…Bush/loser…McBush the same as the other two.
Unfortunately, if you ask them, most americans can’t even RECOGNIZE the constitution when they see it …
No.
Another episode of simple answers to simple questions.
true dat
adherence to the constitution is for po’ people
That’s not the image I had in mind. :)
The segment will be about how the press never seems to criticize McCain.
isn’t that just a complete statement on what the MSM is all about these days?
that’s what happens when Impeachment is off the table
uh, no. Jail is for poor people, regardless of whether they’ve obeyed the law or not. That’s why torture (falso confessions) was invented. Gott close the case & pretend it’s a rule-a-law.
It’s really important that the entire world know that, Bobby. It’s important because…she was there, and it is critical information. Right there, and he was playing with cigars. Earth shattering information that will either improve or destroy the world. Stuff we need to know.
Yep How utterly vapid and cheesy.
but consider the ratings!!!!
Respectfully disagree.
That’s what happens when congress fails to carry out its role under the constitution.
Yup. It makes mo money.
Privatization of prisons is a huge threat to society.
Okay, now you’re giving me ideas. Could the next administration transfer a whole slew of people from the DOJ to the DHS? And then abolish the department of homlandia (as LS would say)?
indeed.
When i was a kid, on the fourth of july, my grandparents would have this big picnic, and they would take out the constitution and the declaration and we’d read it, and my grandmother would point to her g. grandfather’s name who signed on the declaration, and the g uncles and such and so would my grandfather … and they’d tell us kids about stuff, like one of my g.g.g. grandfaters was G washington’s physican and was that at valley forge, and they’d tell me why the things were put there that were in there …you know, I really miss that
So, is HRC…Revenge of the Scorned Woman? Who really knows. Very McCainian.
good point.. well, either that or rich rethugs, who are not bound by the constitution themselves, get to interpret the constitution any which way they please, for application to the punishment and harassment of the poor :P
Glenn rawks!
Wow! Good for your people.
Wow, what a great tradition
What a great tradition. Sorry I didn’t know about it sooner. Even without your connection to the history, it is a great thing to do.
Great Post LHP. Hope that ACLU an EFF get invited to the Lake for an in depth discussion on the legal ramifications and laibilities of this ever so critical activities. Yhank you kindly we all should read these links and DIGG.
Well, this thread may be dead, but if you wander back LHP, that still looks like stupidly drawn request criterion to me. Why not something to the effect of “any and all data acquisition, storage, analysis and/or mining programs, activities and instances”. That was a horrid example, but you get the drift, basically fork over everything you got. The language you quoted, which was the new and improved language, looks like it could still be engineered around by a devious agency lawyer. Not that these guys would ever do anything like that or anything…..
As I recall, that was an example of the workings of a criminal justice system imposed by a victorious occupying army by the world’s leading superpower in a Middle Eastern country at the cross roads of land trade routes.
The local governor, then, too, hadn’t much interest in the process or its outcome; he was also regarded as exceptional in his greed, viciousness and incompetence, in an imperial administration that regarded brutality as STOP. We all know how that worked out.
Data mining… I’m certain Brent spiner would hate that!
He’d need a hard hat and work boots.
Crimes have been committed.
Sigh. None of this actually surprised anyone here, did it?
The only thing that surprises me is that they reported this honestly once the new definitions were arrived at. Didn’t they get the memo that no one in the Executive Branch has to provide anything to Congress if they don’t want to?
i thought congress deep sixed the TIA Darpa/Poindexter baby .. isn’t this another example of the executive just making an end run around the law .. ala iran/contra … a direct attack on the underpinnings of our constitutional form of government ??
i mean .. lawbending ..scofflaw-ism .. and even outright lawlessness has been and remains a hallmark of this [mis]administration but what the fuck .. will congress ever stand up and stop this shit ??
odds ??
THAT may be my fault. If you go the link Igave for the full report, it contains the original language, which was prett lengthy. The post was very long as it was and I did not want to add a nother 100 or more words in he form of quotes.
But the orginal definition onto which the quotede alnguage is merely an enhancement is there.
Frnakly, I didn’t really see an obvious reason why the orginal definition didn’t emcompass the programs they are fessing up to now.
Congress did deep six TIA. But TIA was a DoD program. All the data-mining and spying on American citizens that LHP is reporting on were carried out by DHS. That’s a completely different department.
Get that?
Congress passed a law forbidding DoD from data-mining, but surprisingly that doesn’t forbid another executive department from doing the same thing. Isn’t it amazing how the Bush/Cheney folks can parse a law forbidding data-mining all they can get their hands on about the American public by DoD doesn’t forbid DHS from doing the same?
Isn’t it a dirty shame that Congress can’t figure out how to stop this shit.
I think the only reason they reported them this time was because Congress already new the programs existed. This was DHS fig leaf for why they did not report them originally.
The important “confession” here is that DHS still has not taken the required Privacy Revies an Minimization steps
What does that matter? The data-mining is still ongoing. No one in DHS will be brought to task. Congress will not impose consequences on anyone in this administration.
This is what happens when impeachment is off the table.
Hey… want to see something really scary?
Time/Date Stamp: 11:59 AM, January 20, 2009
I hearby pardon any and all members of my administration whom I, as President of the United States, appointed. This pardon is effective for any and all acts that may or may not have been committed throughout the entirity of my term as President of the United States, commencing January 20, 2001 until today January 20, 2009.
Signed,
George W Bush
President of the United States