As the wingnut chorus predictably disses Obama's eloquent speech, it's important to remember how completely ridiculous and manufactured this whole Wright "controversy" is:
...the idea that America deserves terrorist attacks and other horrendous disasters has long been a frequently expressed view among the faction of white evangelical ministers to whom the Republican Party is most inextricably linked. Neither Jerry Falwell nor Pat Robertson ever retracted or denounced their view that America provoked the 9/11 attacks by doing things to anger God. John Hagee continues to believe that the City of New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina drowned its residents and devastated the lives of thousands of Americans. And James Inhofe -- who happens to still be a Republican U.S. Senator -- blamed America for the 9/11 attacks by arguing in a 2002 Senate floor speech that "the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America" because we pressured Israel to give away parts of the West Bank. The phrases "anti-American" and "America-haters" are among the most barren and manipulative in our entire political lexicon, but whatever they happen to mean on any given day, they easily encompass people who believe that the U.S. deserved the 9/11 attacks, devastating hurricanes and the like. Yet when are people like Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Inhofe and other white Christian radicals ever described as anti-American or America-hating extremists? Never -- because white Christian evangelicals who tie themselves to the political Right are intrinsically patriotic.
Well, yeah. Duh.
By all accounts, George Bush had private conversations with Pat Robertson about matters as weighty as whether to invade Iraq. Isn't that a big scandal -- that the President is consulting with an American-hating minister -- someone who believes God allowed the 9/11 attacks as punishment for our evil country -- about vital foreign policy decisions? No, it wasn't controversial at all.
John Hagee privately visits with the highest level Middle East officials in the White House and afterwards pronounces that they're in agreement. John McCain shares a stage with Hagee and lavishes him with praise, as Rudy Giuliani did with Pat Robertson. James Inhofe remains a member in good standing in the GOP Senate Caucus. The Republican Party has tied itself at the hip to a whole slew of "anti-American extremists" -- people who believe that the U.S. provoked the 9/11 attacks because God wants to punish us for the evil, wicked nation we've become -- and yet there is virtual silence about these associations.
Once again, it's important to keep making the point that when you've built an entire political movement on the backs of a crazy mob of Dixiecrat Savonarolas who make outrageous hateful comments pretty much every day, you've sort of opted-out of your ability to throw stones.
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I have been to some blogs and not radical right wing ones and the hate and racism is rampant. All they heard is that Obama knew his pastor was controversial. Ugly,ugly stuff followed with “go Hillary”
I am sad.
Wasn’t Ted Haggert a Bush “Spiritual Advisor?” Does George get accused of believing in Meth and same partner sex? Of course not, nor should he.
blue texan, rachale maddow had a clip of one of the republican debates, before the debate a quoire actually sang;
“why should god bless america”
it goes on to talk about homosexuality and abortion and concludes god should NOT bless america
this is important stuff here
I still say we need a 30 minute speech from McCain on Hagee and fundamentalists in general. It would end the campaign right now when people compared the two.
how many flag lapel pins would Jesus wear?
Does anyone have a YouTube of that?
Uh, earth to JimWhite…the Cainster’s over gettin’ fitted for a flight suit about now. Otherwise, a good idea!
Here’s some beautiful pictures from San Diego:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....diego.html
looks like someone got themselves an overhead projector and then fired that puppy up…
The real question is, why doesn’t the Democratic party leadership help communicate these slam-dunk counterpoints in the media?
The answer is that the same corporations that own the media and the Republican members of Congress also own the Democratic members of Congress. And the corporations won’t LET the Democratic party counter the corporations’ own bought-and-paid for propaganda mills (e.g. “think tanks” like the Heritage Foundation.)
It’s gonna take a realllly big codpiece to win this election.
Or something that just smells like cod ;-) (Can you say Diebold?)
Yes!
Tie the fleshy, jowly hate preachers around the political necks of the fleshy, jowly Rethug pols. Then stand back!
The stirring of the suppressed man-love in those sweaty, fleshy, jowly bodies will cause sufficient friction for spontaneous combustion.
damn - there went my breakfast
rachael played it, she said the candidates were tapping their feet to the beat too
Inspiring pix…..and the commentary equally as good! Thank you for all you do to bring freedom back to this country.
The MSM is in collusion with these “Swiftboat” tactics.
Bill Kristol got a major piece up in the NYTimes arguing that Obama was lying about not being present at some of Rev. Wright’s more vitriolic sermons. Kristol didn’t bother to identitfy his source nor how that information was obtained. Unfortunately (for Kristol) the source was utterly repudiated by the Obama campaign when it was shown that Obama was in Florida that day, a bit of information that could have easily been checked by Kristol on the internet. But he was so intent of smearing Obama that he couldn’t resist.
And, as we all know, a smear can be cited again and again…and the recantation can be simply ignored. That’s the “Swiftboat” methodology…get the LIE out and make the apology as miniscule as possible.
Kristol Swiftboats Obama
BTW That “source” of Kristol’s about Obama being in the pews during the sermon? A Rightwing reporter from Newsmax…who himself has said that his “unnamed source” must have been wrong. Lemme guess…there really was no such “source”.
That should about take care of lunch and dinner as well. :):)
segments of the speech already up on you tube.
watch again and smile.
got the youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0IvNydHFhQ
great diet aid
And, of course, the more we talk about vile preachers, the less we talk about - oh, I don’t know…Wall Street? Predatory lenders? The killing in Iraq?
If only more people knew how easy and fun it is… I’m an expert on easy and fun.
That was outrageous, even for you.
BINGO
Wright’s comments will scare the holy bejeesus out of many white voters. It’s fair game to bring it up. Obama needs to walk a tight rope here between totally bashing Wright and embracing him. He’s done pretty well I’d say.
Don’t you dare! I love your validations.
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Citizen Blue Texan and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“…it’s important to remember how completely ridiculous and manufactured this whole ‘Wright’ controversy is…”
But more importantly, it’s imperative that we keep the focus on Obama’s speech…this was Obama’s “Kennedy moment” and he shook all the shit outta the racist base of politics not only in the country but in the Democratic Party establishment. Now the spotlight needs to shine directly on Mrs.Clinton-McCain to respond to the speech. If she does not endorse every single word of the speech, then we know that her politics lie with the old racist Democratic Party establishment that has been takin’ the Black vote for granted while marginalizin’ the solution to problems that Blacks and progressives have been raisin’ since Hubert Humphrey called for us to come out into the sunshine of civil rights.
KEEP THE FAITH THERE’S A TRAIN A’COMIN’…
Thanks. That’s a wonderful video with the bonus of Rachel’s interpretation.
You have just seen the Mighty Wurlitzer in action. The neocon slime
machine is derived from the CIA funded press apparat of the 1950s and
1960s directed at anything left of Ike. The technique is so widespread
and immune to correction it will be the major hurdle for a successful
popular democratic candidate to overcome.
I would RATHER talk about that, you know issues that are having/will have an effect on ALL americans
Per Steve Benen at The Carpetbagger Report:
The full lyrics are available at Steve’s web site. Here’s the first verse:
I think Obama hit the nail right on the head. The policies of the decisionmakers and their propaganda create fear and resentment and polarize segments of society, most notably race. He was able to point out that people need to look at what is really happening, what is really destroying America and who it is that is doing it, in order to unify and heal the country. Absolutely brilliant speech.
The thing that became really, really clear to me today is how blatantly racist the conservative commentators are on TV and the radio. Buchanan should be removed for starters, and Limbaugh should be charged with hate speech. I am appalled at the disgusting talking points that are “looping” 24/7 without accountability….and the constant “the problem with Barack Obama”….”brilliant speech, but”…this is coming from both white and black commentators…For shame, for shame.
Those idjiots deserve McCain….but our country doesn’t….so Go Obama!!
Me too - in fact, that’s pretty much all I want to talk about. Every minute that goes by brings more death and poverty.
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Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Don’t focus on the spin, keep the focus on the speech…the corporate propaganda machine hasn’t been able ta shake a single vote from those already committed to Obama and that’s the point ain’t it? He’s already cemented a coalition of people OUTSIDE the established political factions and what the Wurlitzer is tryin’ ta do is peel those marginal white males away and discourage the white females who support ‘im. And it ain’t gunna work ‘cuz he’s already got the real Democratic Party base committed, and they ain’t goin’ anywhere. Nobody is gunna be discouraged by the racist attacks and even if that old boogeyman the “white evangelicals” is energized ta vote for McCain they get buried by the new Democratic coalition Obama’s put together.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…FASCISM AND FASCISTS WON’T GO AWAY WITHOUT A FIGHT!!
The sooner this primary comes to an end, the better. Then we can focus on how thses problems can be addressed
Oh, boy….this is really good…McCain F’s up:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....132146/765
YA, here’s a youtube with the actual footage and rachael maddow’s comentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0IvNydHFhQ
They are preaching to their own choir, we aren’t listening, only the morally challenged can hear that dog whistle.
BT, thank you for keeping the remarks made by the “other” pastors out there front and center. We are gonna need that repeated over and over in the coming months. Good job!!
Froomkin today has this brilliant passage from EJ Dionne:
Once the primary is over- the REAL bashing will begin. This is just a warm up.
AAAAmen…A-fuckin-men!
3/4 percentage cut in fed funds & discount rate. Maket was looking for a full point.
Yes, every time someone says “Wright” we need to say, “Hagee, Falwell, Robertson, Parsley” — louder.
Wow but it won’t much if any play on the MSM, they love his babyback ribs too much
You are so right!!! Hit them back and hard!
I second that.
If the right wants to play this game, bring it on, we have vidoes too. Sadly no main stream avenue to air it. Damn Ted Turner should have NEVER sold CNN
He had Jim/Jeff Guckert over for slumber parties on twenty occasions and was a cokehead, and you’re giving him the benefit of the doubt here?
i liked this comment
McCain called Putin the President of Germany recently. He gets lost a little now and then and has a hard time tracking. Of course the al-Qaeda - Iran link may just be classic GOP bullshit, but McCain is getting to that age where the mind starts to slip.
The implications of his blunder are astounding…he apparently has based justification for bombing Iran on Al Qaeda being in Iran. Unbelievable. This needs to be plastered everywhere!!
O/T Hillary comments on Obama’s speech
Attaturk was way ahead of you (and Froomkin) on that this morning
“The Wall Street titans have turned into a bunch of welfare clients. They are desperate to be bailed out by government from their own incompetence, and from the deregulatory regime for which they lobbied so hard. . .
——————
bailed out by….wait for it…………you and me
I agree. I’m sure KO will have it on air tonight
Good comments by HRC.
Is there a term for financial kabuki? The Fed could cut the rate to zero but it would mean nothing if lenders refuse to lend.
eCahnomics @#43
I tried to hit reply to pull up your comment and my slow dial-up just is not responding.
What I wanted to ask you is what is your “take” on today’s action?
Is this actually going to help people with an ARM move to a fixed rate, or is it just going to help people take out a larger equity loan on their homes and extend their credit card debt?
Thanks will go look.
I want Pat Buchanan and his destructive racist apologist bullcrappola removed from MSNBC…
Hugh @56;
“Is there a term for financial kabuki?”
Reagonomics.
Lawd, Chimpy is talking about trade and the economy on my teevee. WHYYYYYY?
Oh, in Michigan dems say revote now not likely, not enough support
So you don’t think his gaffs make him endearing and grandfatherly like the same way Reagan’s gaffs made him appeal to so many?
A much dreaded word..trickle down that didn’t trickle down
I love your work.
I would love to see those posters on all the over passes where you see american flags.
Thanks so much and come to NY and I’ll help you!
No mention of McCain’s gaffe on MSNBC (at least not yet)
Reaganomics worked great for those it was intended: the rich got richer and the masses remained pacified.
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Citizen wobblybits:
Thanks for the link…all firepups should go read it and then call on Clinton-McCain to read the God damned speech and take a stand…she can’t have it both ways ‘cuz Obama pulled the racism rug right out from under politicians like her. JEEzus, she hasn’t even read or seen the speech yet, she jest disqualified herself from comsideration for the Democratic Party nomination for ANYthing!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND HOLD THE BASTARDS ACCOUNTABLE
80% of America is against the war and are experiencing a terrible economy, he’s for the war and doesn’t know anything about the economy, so it doesn’t matter what he’s like. I don’t even think people will choose racism over the war and the economy in the end. If he wins, it will because he’s put there by the powers that be.
Poland is not a communist country.
The fed is taking very powerful action to turn the economy around. While we don’t know enough to have a firm view of the outlook (some speculated, for example, that the reason why Bear Stearns sold for so litle was that they were playing financial shenanigans like Enron was; if that turns out to be true, things are a lot worse than we know), it has never been wise to think the Fed will be unsuccessful. Not sure what the state of ARMs is. From reports it sounds like they are no longer the simple type that was issued when I was working, but many are bogus today. So I’m not sure how much direct help for ARMS. But the main thrust of monetary policy on consumer spending, is expectations. Households think interest rates influence the economy, so if interrest rates are going down the economy will get better.
OMG!
I forgot Poland!
Lol
THey will put him there with his VP Jeb.
If I were from Pennsylvania, I’d be really pissed at how the MSM is tagging them as really racist. Basically, they are saying that PA is the most racist state in the nation. I hope they wake up and realize how they are being painted by these bozos.
What can I say, it’s my Xtian nature! ;-)
Thanks for that link.
On her program yesterday, Rachael Maddow made another very important point. Not only are people like John Hagee and Rod Parsley and Jerry Falwell much crazier than Farakahn and Wright, but John McCain both sought and welcomed their respective endorsements and announced his appreciation while standing on podiums next to them. By contrast, Obama did none of these with respect to Wright and Frarkahn, and he has emphatically repudiated and rejected their obnoxious statements and positions. That’s a very big difference.
It’s just typical Republican non-think shorthand for evildoers. You know al Qaeda, Islamofascists, Democrats, Iran, trial lawyers, the ACLU, they are all interchangeable.
Why are they saying this? I’ve never heard that.
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Citizen LS:
“Good comments by HRC.”
No dear, NOT good comments…old fashioned, have-it-both-ways I’m too busy to read or listen to DEMOCRATIC Party answers to major problems for America. Unless she takes a stand on Obama’s manifesto against racism and sexism in politics today, Clinton-McCain doesn’t deserve a single Democratic Party member vote.
KEEP THE FAITH AND THE HEAT ON THOSE WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM HATE!!
LOL and true.
I agree with what you are saying, I just expected her to make a more mudslinging underhanded slam at Obama, and she refrained from doing so. We don’t need the Pukes to have any more ammo.
more like ’seppuku’
Someone had asked if Obama used a speechwriter for his speech this morning.
According to The Atlantic.com
In the Clinton world, it is preferred to use “triangulating” rather than “have-it-both-ways”.
Well, I guess Haggee isn’t doing such a good job of learning McCain. This from The Trail at Huffpo:
Idiot doesn’t know al-Qaeda is Sunni…
Not knowing things has worked well for Bush, so why not McCain?
operative words: doesn’t know
bomb,bomb,bomb - the man is an idiot and if he made verbal errors like this as prez we could have a whole lot of new problems.
Citizen LS:
But the point is that she is endorsin’ the fascist attacks on Obama and what Obama said if she doesn’t read the speech and endorse Obama’s position on racism and sexism. This speech worked on MANY levels but what it really did most effectively was to put Clinton-Mccain on the spot and we gotta hold ‘er there!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…THE BASTARDS KEN RUN ALL DAY BUT THERE’S NO PLACE TA HIDE WHEN YER NAKED IN THE STREET!!
Obama’s “Philadelphia Speech” makes him the most dangerous man in the nation in his stunning and brilliant analysis of the status quo. The entrenched interests, corporations, the religious Right, racists, traditional MSM, Republicans, DLC, have been warned. The gauntlet has been thrown down in poetic and moving fashion.
OT: An interesting article, “he Collapse of American Power,” by Paul Craig Roberts: http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts03182008.html
Great points!!
Right fuckin’ on there Citizen Bluetoe2…right fuckin’ on!!
Thanks. I listen carefully when you comment, just not able to respond on most days because our school system where I work kind of frowns on that sort of thing. We are on Easter Break now.
My wife just mentioned in watching a segment on truckers filling their tanks at today’s prices it costs anywhere from $750-$1,000 to fill their tank one time.
Here ya go: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QehVoPP5yc4
Blue Texan, thanks for spotlighting one of the most powerful mechanism used to suppress discussion of progressive values and solutions for over thirty years.
Those who can’t comprehend how they lost - repeatedly - in the past will be unable to adjust their tactics to succeed in the future.
I hope to find those who already understand such concept will show the generosity of spirit to allow others to learn this important concept.
From an eco-persepctive, I’m no longer surprised by progressives who evince ignorance of intellectual and tactical diversity. Any ecologist knows the most robust ecosystems ar ethose with a wide diversity of organisms cheerfully doing what they do best in their eccological niches.
The earthworms turn the soil. Fungi decompose dead trees. Trees provide the shade and hold water for the forest floor.
And in themost succesful communities, the disparate organisms often lend each other a hand - assisting the critters whose actions assist them.
So in the forests, we don’t find the fungi telling the trees to quit that photosythesis, and start decomposing dead stuff. The ants don’t yell at the earthworms and tell them to come feed the queen. The tree roots don’t tell the mycorhiza to quit feeding the tree and go off and learn photsynthesis.
And - unless the two legs come along with axes and chain saws - the forests thrive and adapt for millenia.
As a forest activist, I was amused and dismayed by those who would insist that all the other activists stop whatever they were doing, and go imitate the tactic the loud, uncivil activist was berating us about. On the contrary: successful camapaigns require diverse tactics, with each activist contributing from the niche in which he or she is is most adept.
In the larger progressive movement, I’m still astonished by the self-absorption and strategic ignorance of those who speak loudly to tell productive activists that the productive activists’ work isn’t useful or important - something else is what the activist should REALLY be doing.
I’m also astonished and dismayed by the rudeness and arrogance the loud “allies” display - and saddened by their capacity to constantly disrupt productive efforts by forcing the group to focus on the consequences of the loudest, least civil voices in the room.
Sadly, the loudest, least civil voices usually come from those who make little to no practical contribution of their own (in money, volunteering, writing) - but are full of vitriol about the efforts of those who actually engage in the effort to move progressive causes along.
So thanks for your productive work and the incisive commentary you created to share with us today.
I look forward to the day when progressives who read the productive analyses here can all understand the power of diversity and can operationalize that comprehension.
I’ll know that’s happening when the rudest voices in progressive discussions demonstrate the capacity to entertain multiple important concepts at the same time, rather than persisting in the false belief that important progressive concepts are somehow mutually exclusive.
Who knows - when they gain that capacity, perhps they’ll then see that’s that’s what the productive progressives have been doing all along.
Until then, I expect to hear that the fungi “should” turn their attention to being trees, and the trees should turn their efforts decomposing dead stuff.
A command that - if any were daft enough to follow - is ruinous for forests and progressive efforts alike.
Good work, BT.
Time to finish ordering my seeds for the garden
Time to finish ordering my saplings for Arbor Day
blue texan said—”Hagee, Falwell, Robertson, Parsley” — louder.
sounds like a jump-rope rhyme!
or maybe a limerick.
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....erday.html
this is BY FAR my favorite sign created by scarletp/freeway blogger…….from last july.
i sent it everywhere, to people i know and people that i don’t…….
and scarletp-make sure to include in your new book how you started, i loved that story.
You’re welcome.
I been through a lot of business cycles in the forecasting business, so I’ve learned a lot of lessons. And gotten a lot of feedback, so I know what the arguments on the other side are, but have developed ways of looking at things which are consistent with the evidence. But every cycle is different and has its own particularly scarey elements. It helps to be cautious about pronouncements, and to remember how scared people were the other times, to add some perspective.
It never fails. Everything the Right accuses progressives and Democrats of on flimsy evidence, they are openly doing themselves.
hey kirk-thanks
some things in nature do eat each other to survive, it’s sustenance to them…….
it’s in their nature.
Falwell, Robertson, Hagee and any other white minister who profess radical anti-american and american hating ideas should be banished. Anyone saying the victims and America deserved the terrorist attacks on 9/11 should be disrespected, white or black. Rev. White mixes these messages with hate for white america, which (to me) instills the continuing hateful and mistrustful feelings between the races. I have heard that the black person hates whites, and now I understand how those feeling prevail and grow. I had no idea that is what is preached in black churches. Obama is right in his speech to say that these diverse feelings must end if we are to grow as a people and nation. But, why has he distanced himself from this minister, friend and mentor — only after these videiotapes have become an issue? BTW, Hagee is not the personal minister or friend or mentor of Sen. McCain. The comparison to Wright/Obama is like apples and oranges.
Your President speaks (via Froomkin):
“‘I want to thank you, Mr. Secretary, for working over the weekend,’ Bush said as he met with his economic advisors at the White House. ‘You’ve shown the country and the world that the United States is on top of the situation.’
“Actually, many analysts and critics said, by focusing on Paulson’s working hours instead of on the fear gripping Main Street and Wall Street, the president seemed to show just the opposite — that he has failed to grasp the gravity of the country’s economic crisis.”
snip
“Bush’s ‘working over the weekend’ line also suggested a comparison to another disaster in which he was accused of acting too slowly: Hurricane Katrina. After the storm, the president was ridiculed for praising FEMA Director Michael D. Brown for doing ‘a heck of a job’ — even as thousands remained stranded in floodwaters in New Orleans.”
What’s the equivalent of the broken levees this time around? “[S]ome economists and lawmakers said that the administration had too strongly resisted efforts to regulate either the mortgage industry or Wall Street’s new mortgage-backed securities out of a misplaced faith in free markets,” Reynolds and Hook write.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....inionsbox1