Bob Kessler who covers the courts for Newsday has a nifty little article up about how there is controversy within the US Attorney’s Office about whether or not to charge Elliot Spitzer with a crime.
While stressing that the investigation is in its early stages, prosecutors and investigators in the Southern District are split on whether to charge Gov. Eliot Spitzer with any substantive crimes that might lead to jail time in connection with his involvement in a prostitution ring, according to several sources familiar with the situation.
Although there has been all kinds of talk in the press about the possibility of charging Spitzer for "structuring" his movement of money, presumably under the Bank Secrecy Act and the Money Laundering Control Act, the facts as reported thus far in the press would not support such charges. As I previously explained the MLCA requires that the money in question be the proceeds of unlawful activity.
Whoever, knowing that the property involved in a financial transaction represents the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity, conducts or attempts to conduct such financial transaction which in fact involves the proceeds of specified unlawful activity
That’s why right now the feds are busy trying to find any evidence that he used campaign or government funds in these transactions.
investigators are looking into whether he used any public or campaign funds or services to pay for or facilitate any illegal activities, including hiring prostitutes, the sources said. An affidavit filed in federal court as part of the investigation into the prostitution ring details what is said to be his use of personal bank funds to pay for prostitutes.
[emphasis mine]
If the money is merely his own perfectly legal personal money, the government lacks an essential element necessary to charge him with money laundering.
Which leaves them with the Mann Act violation as the top count. Which could prove embarrassing for the government.
Department of Justice data compiled by the nonprofit TRAC organization shows that the Manhattan U.S. Attorney’s office rarely brings cases under the Mann Act and money structuring laws as a top charge. The cases usually involve organizers of sex rings and human traffickers.
You see, it’s one thing if you are using the Mann Act to prosecute the creepy old man on-line predator from Brooklyn who lures the teenager from Darien, Conn. or Bernardsville, NJ to Manhattan for a night in a hotel. Nobody’s going to quarrel with that. Or if you use it to prosecute human traffickers who transport undocumented women across state lines to sell into a life of sexual slavery. Nobody’s going to claim you have a politically motivated prosecution; nor if you use on a kidnapper who takes his prey across state lines and rapes or molests the kidnap victim.
However, if the only count you have is the Mann Act violations –involving women of the age of consent, who were highly paid and advertised themselves in soft core porn-ish, pin up photo spreads — against the Democratic governor of a state with a huge number of electoral votes who just happened to be in the aftermath of really personal and nasty tiff with Joe Bruno, the most powerful Republican member of the state government? Well,…..?
Oh, and if in response, Joe Bruno hired a famed Republican dirty trickster? (see below)
Yeah, it starts looking a bit more like the US Attorney was engaging in a political hit job. I’m not saying that Garcia in fact did such a thing. I have absolutely no reason to believe he did, but in the aftermath of the US Attorney firing scandal, many of us wondered aloud about what the remaining USA’s had to do, or be willing to do, to keep their jobs. Whether Karl Rove believed that Chertoff protege Michael Garcia was a "loyal Bushie" is food for thought.
You see, Garcia’s problem is one of perception. If you are the (professional) spawn of Chertoff, if you take out one of the most feared Democrats in the country, and if your investigation then doesn’t turn up anything that speaks to what most low information voters think of as criminal intent (as opposed to a lack of morality and judgement), you — Garcia — open yourself up to charges of having abused prosecutorial discretion and having politicized your office. Talk about painting a bullseye on your own back!
Worse still is if you have Republican dirty trickster Roger Stone intimating to Newsday’s Ellis Henican that his recent hiring by Joe Bruno may have resulted in Spitzer getting caught.
He set up a 527 political-hit committee. He’s been shopping anti-Spitzer stories for months. He’s been warning darkly about some "really ugly" stuff to come.
Henican says that before he could even ask Stone if he had a hand in Spitzer’s woes, Stone jumped in with
"I didn’t make him go to a prostitution ring," said the most famous and ruthless Republican dirty trickster who still walks the earth. "He did that all on his own."
Makes you wonder when it all shakes out, who’s going to come out looking worse in this incident. The guy who used his own private money to betray his wife, or the guy who filed an affidavit saying that Spitzer used his own private money and is now using how many hours of FBI time going through every financial record they can think of to try and find some way around the fact that all they have Spitzer on is the most technical violation of the Mann Act, without any of the underlying serious circumstances that make a Mann Act prosecution look like something other than panty sniffing?
Of course, if they find evidence that Spitzer used the "proceeds of unlawful activity," all bets are off.
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Hit ‘em again looseheadprop!!
Your first hyperlink “nifty little article” is to the wrong story. It links to a DKOS diary about something unrelated dealing with credit card testimony.
Thanks lhp.
LHP – is there an “unlawful activity” element to violations of the “structuring” statute, or is avoiding the reporting requirement by breaking down the amounts into less than 10K enough? Presumably that would only be an administrative penalty, and not a “crime”?
Here
is the Newsday link.
Hi LHP- seems like the only way that Spitzer could be accused of using political funds rather than his own money is if there was a direct transfer from something like a PAC to pay into the “Enterprise Club” or whatever it is called. Is this ianal interpretation correct?
Just an observation. Love it when you speak in a soft voice, written mostly in English. *g*
Hey loosehead! Wow I wouldn’t want to be this US Attorney. Talk about a rough situation.
Especially as a pattern to combine with the Siegelman case (and Nacchio and the actions of the USA in NJ towards I believe Menendez)
The Rs already got what they wanted. Spitzer’s gone from public life in disgrace. The rest is of no consequence.
I had to look again, to make sure it was Norske! ;-)
I like this new dude.
In fact, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if all this faded into the woodwork, except for the Client #9 jokes.
dugg, prop!
I see the Newsday article, looks like the link is ok now.
LHP, do you think the Banks themselves tipped of Garcia/Stone about the SARs…?
Yeah, he seems like a great guy. Inaugural now being replayed on CSPAN.
My only Q so far is, he’s such a nice guy. How is he going to avoid being rolled by Bruno?
Just thinking off the cuff about Republicans versus Democrats fall from grace.
Why is it that its mostly disgraced Republicans who live to have a respectable renewed life in government, or media as “experts”?
Why can’t we just be done with these people?
LHP-
Did you see Palast’s take on this?
http://www.gregpalast.com/elli…..ets-nailed
Will he see it coming? (ducking…) ;-)
Mike Garcia and others “with knowledge of the case,” did a really terrific impersonation of Mike Nifong.
I hope they all get disbarred too.
Yup, mission accomplished. :-(
Spitzer’s career is a bust right now, but not the progressive movement. If the federal prosecution’s a bust, let’s not let it slide into memory without a little publicity, eh? It should be added to the US Attorneys scandal and Don Siegelman like prosecutions, all ripe for a special prosecutor’s team to comb through.
That’s not political tit-for-tatting. It’s exposing the corruption of the Department of Justice – at enormous moral and financial cost to weary taxpayers – for GOP partisan gain. How many real financial and violent criminals remain on the streets – how many more crimes do they commit or get away with – because prosecutors used their offices to re-elect Republicans?
Well!
I trust the Bush Justice Department and I think the rest of you should too!
What possible evidence do you have for thinking the USA DoJ might be politicized? Huh?
/s
sorry to hijack the third thread in a row, but does anyone know how to contact loo hoo? Please have her email me at (my handle) a/t mindspring dot COM
thanks!
He uses humor to talk about his own disability.
Gray Davis
Don Siegelman
Eliot Spitzer
Three Democratic governors, taken down by BushCo.
OfT, TeddySanFran, big props to you for the really fine Digg. I was messing around, but I was unsure how to best handle the title.
Only Arthur Conan Doyle can make a story out of the dog that didn’t bark. If I’m right & the Rs let it drop, so should we. We’re lucky to be rid of such a reckless man as Spitzer and can gain no purchase by defending him.
I liked his ‘Jewish wedding’ line…!
Don’t remember that one.
Charge Sptizer with a crime. Maybe. Sure. Why not. Did Spitzer kill anyone? No? But there will be no impeachment. Perfect.
Really?
You think the utter politicization and corruption of the Bush Justice department should be ignored? You think that prosecutorial discretion when aimed at Democrats at a ratio of, what is it, eight-to-one, should be ignored?
Just because Spitzer dipped his wick is no reason to forgive BushCo its own crimes. The GOP is counting on this “bygones” thesis to skate. It’s why Rumsfeld, Cheney, Abrams, Poindexter, and Negroponte were able to return to government without stain.
The “dog that didn’t bark” is the story of all the USAttorneys who got to keep their jobs. It’s a story that needs telling, badly, if our Justice Department is to regain its honor.
Palast- “Bernanke opened the vault and dumped $200 billion on the poor little suffering bankers. They got the public treasure – and got to keep the Grinning’s house. There was no ‘quid’ of a foreclosure moratorium for the ‘pro quo’ of public bailout. Not one family was saved – but not one banker was left behind”
Eliot was the only thing standing in the way of this happening. Unfuckingbelievable.
I voted for Gray Davis when I lived in Sacto. He was a friend of my late mother’s.
Bullseye.
OT, Earl of Huntingdon, per others, your lucid explanations about Bear Stearns and the sub prime mess, over at emptywheel’s, have been extremely helpful.
I said we should drop Spitzer like a hot potatoe, not drop the USAatty scandal. If we can find non-Spitzer sins of the ones who weren’t fired, great.
I suspect that the voting public is not angry enough yet.
How somebody made sure he wouldn’t break a water glass at the podium with the gavel, hence a Jewish wedding…
But the prosecutorial discretion and misallocation of resources to Spitzer’s case may very well be another part of the corrupt USAttorneys story. I say strike while the iron — and media interest — is hot.
Let’s find out more, especially if Eliot was standing in the way of a Wall Street bailout as well.
Agreed. I wish he would have riden it out personally.
Heh, there’s a pun in there somewhere, but I dont think he should have resigned.
Did you read the Palast article?
The big deal is Bruno and the Republicans and what they were trying to stop with Eliot. Eliot is just so mortal, so prone to relieve himself as millions, probably billions of men have before him.
I linked to the Palast article days ago. I wonder whether the article he was penning for the Wapo will see the light of day?
Thanks for th reminder.
You know, second time watching it, I was finally able to articulate why blind people’s demeanor seems odd. Having no ability to establish eye contact, Paterson looked straight ahead & stilted during the entire speech. We are used to speechifiers looking back & forth across the crowd they are addressing.
All part of learning how to feel confortable with diversity. Once I figured it out, I felt more comfortable with him.
I’m here now. I’ll email you.
Frankly I think that the Mcgreevy threesome stories are very important.
-G
I don’t
I’m glad he’s gone & glad he resigned. Ds don’t need reckless bullies like Spitzer. Hoping, and his inaugural suggests, that Paterson will be a much better governor of NYS.
1,793 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Sixty Something:
“Love it when you speak in a soft voice and mostly in English”
Well golly gee, Sixty, I would be fallin’ all overmyself with happiness if I really gave a shit what you think of my presentation. What’s said and to whom is really where it’s at kid…not how it’s said.
KEEP THE FAITH AND LOOK IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION…I DON’T WANTCHA TA MISS ANYTHING!!
As long as they don’t crowd out the outrage over Obama’s minister, I’m okay with that.
A lot of upper class America woke up this morning to find their dreams shattered. The rosiest scenario is that a lot of the money we have been saving for retirement and our kid’s college education won’t be there.
Spitzer more than most Dems was on the right side of the fight against Wall Street. In addition to the corrupt DoJ, his prosecution may be a rare window into the systematic violation of Civil Rights in the name of the GWOT. The ACLU is having a devil of a time getting “standing” in those kinds of cases.
I’m with Teddy. The “dog that did nothing in the night time” was a clue that the crime was an inside job, not the story. But it’s a good analogy with Spitzer case if the DOJ can’t settle on a credible federal beef. (Though they seem to be using their search of campaign records as a collateral attack on his contributors.)
My loyalty is not to Spitzer’s career; it’s to progressive politics. It’s about identifying and investigating legitimate examples of the abuse of prosecutorial discretion – and the wastage of extraordinarily over-stretched taxpayer resources – for corrupt partisan purposes.
That story should not slide into the memory hole until long after the November election. It’s a key element of the criminal enterprise known as the Bush Administration.
I say goddamn!
please! more clips of him telling it like it is
TSF
It occurs to me you interpreted my “dog that didn’t bark” metaphor differently from the way I meant it. I meant it to refer only to the future non-prosectuion of Sptizer, which is my hypothesis for what might happen. I did not mean it to apply to all the non-fired USAttys.
Jacqrat, I’m so sorry. I fouled up and mixed you up with:
Apologies all around. Don’t we have a Jay Ackroyd here too?
sorry for the off topic looseheadprop but you and everyone are really gonna love this
h/t rachael maddow
in one of the republican debates, the quire sang;
“why should god bless america”
and it went on to say because we allow abortion and gays, god should not bless america
and the republican candidates tapped their feet and not one had a problem with it
this is exactly what they are yelling and screaming about barak’s pastor
go figure
This Jay Ackroyd?
Of course, how it’s said has no effect on how it’s received.
1,793 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen TeddySanFran:
“But the prosecutorial discretion and misallocation of resources to Spitzer’s case may very well be another part of the corrupt USAttorneys story.”
Yes indeed, and that’s what’s so infuriating about this whole thing, that in order to reach that understandin’ we hafta keep diggin’ through the prurient details and battlin’ through arguments about misogyny and immorality before gettin’ to the real meanin’ of the whole sordid mess.
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP YER EYES ON THE TARGET!!
Hard to believe that Fox is running with the bisexual threesomes and angry Black men stories 24/7.
Shocked I say.
-G
The problem with Spitzer is not his politics. (That could be a problem too. I am suspicious, but don’t know enough to opine.) The problem is his tactics and his personality. They are both absolute show-stoppers for me. One could argue that if he had minded his legal P&Qs instead of threatening to do perp walks to executives in front of their pregnant wives, he might have gotten more & better punishments and a more lasting change in behavior. Instead all he got was minor fines & Wall St. went back to business as usual. Of course, that got him to be gov on NYS, which was the point of the exercise.
He got exactly what he deserved because it’s exactly what he did to his enemies. Live by the sword, …
Don’t forget Kathleen Blanco … she got taken down with the Katrina mess made by the bushies
Fair enough. I have no problem prosecuting or not prosecuting Eliot; that should depend on what he did and what the feds can prove. So far, I don’t see the federal beef. And deciding not to prosecute him suggests that that was never their purpose, only a nice to have. Otherwise, they seem pretty incompetent. Combine that with the huge resources devoted to this, and you have larger scale competence issues, which would worry a competent DOJ’s top management, which would worry a competent White House. Bush, he seems to have no worries, or too much Jameson.
gee, could they fiddle any harder while America burns?
I am sure New Yorkers are glad to see the back of Spitzer. That his case may go to prove prosecutorial misconduct, misallocation of resources, and politicization of the USAttorneys office is a reason we may hear more about him.
If he can be induced to continue to fight, the dog may yet bark.
Arf!
Well, W recently said that all Governors need to be Republicans…he said it.
Perhaps Spitzer can get a commutation.
Yup. I feel terrible.
ding !
but it was an honest mistake. :)
ah, don’t, i do too cause of the letters.
Given that what W sez is usually the opposite of reality, I like his statement that all govs should be Rs.
McCain isn’t fiddling, he’s shopping in baghdad in an uparmored humvee
Give Spitzer some credit for intelligence. He is reported to be scarey smart. Think that means he knows when the gig is up.
Wow! Tweety is actually talking with a reporter in Iraq.
Have you heard florida isn’t going to redo its primary?
Spitzer is gone. Are there other fish to fry?
Thanks. My question for the next Attorney General: What would Atticus do?
Iraq is soooo 2003.
His friend Punkinhead’s boss, Darth, is there.
Dick Cheney controls Tim Russert!
Yup, it’s good, the dems figured out it was a total setup.
Oy, Kudlow has Bernie Sanders on CNBC. Another car wreck to watch. I can hardly wait.
Well, he’s really still in 1963
An uninformed reporter… We’re the cork in the bottle keeping a relative peace, and, as soon as we leave it’ll start up immediately… WTF???
Hey, you are supposed to be in an ashram somewhere for break!
1,793 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen RBG:
“Of course, how it’s said has no effect on how it’s received.”
Bingo, now think about whatchu jest said and what that says about the condition of our discourse…style versus substance anyone? Ain’t that one definition of “class”?
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP THINKIN’…IT DON’T HURT FOR LONG!!
oh, yeah, the author of how bush fixed a broken econmy; The Bush Boom …well, I do feel shocked and awed by the possibility of another depression
Look for Darth’s hand up that one’s ass…
My problem isn’t if they will prosecute Eliot or not. Look at what bushco has gotten away with, it pales. It really does. It makes me so damn angry that the msm gets all into a blather about shit like this while the constitution burns and the country goes bankrupt.
I wish … unfortunately I’m publishing so as not to perish …
Do you think Dick Cheney controls John McCain?
Why are we talking about Iraq. What does Spitzer have to do with Iraq?
doesn’t the FBI have anything better to do?
It’s gotta be there somewhere…! ;-)
He doesn’t seem to have the personality to just roll over. He may well fight back on this, and help the case for politicization of the the Dept. of Justice. Could be popcorn time yet again.
I thought it was his wife’s fault, though.
Since good news is in short supply, I;ve developed a taste for the macabre. It’s fun watching Kudlow dance around free markets & a BSC bailout. But maybe that’s just me.
Buncha fucking elitist English teachers up in here if ya axe me. . .which you didn’t.
Howdy, Ma’am, how’re ya feeling from the ordeal?
Spitz pissed of North Fork and HSBC two banks which had a motive to give up his financial records.
I don’t think there was anything suspicious about a millionaire spending lots of money.
I suspect that the IRS was after the call girl ring for tax evasion and picked up all their transactions and they were traced back to the gov. The they placed the taps and nailed him.
This was a net which was dropped into the sea and Spitz came up.
And that IS the troubling aspect of the prosecution, because they were LOOKING for criminal behavior without cause.
You can indict a ham sammich can’t ya?
As of 10:38 this morning, the one-month Treasury rate was 0.57; the three-month rate was 0.825.
That’s giving me some pause …
And that, grasshopper, is why I eschewed academe!
yeah, the difference between republican nationalization schemes in the name of free markets and socialist in the name of the workers is that kudlow and his crowd give the assets to businesses and stick the taxpayers with the liabilities, where as the socialists just grab the assets
Structuring is the act of splitting up a transaction to avoid the requirement of a Currency Transaction Report. I have to go to rehearsal, but I will try to remember to put up a link later.
See me @ 76. You make a good point about his personality, but I guess the way I’d meld the personlity-intelligence Spitzer combo, is that the revenge he’s plotting is something other than defending himself in a behavior that is indefensible.
1,793 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Darkinikat:
“…unfortunately I’m publishing so as not to perish…”
Does that mean the you ARE gettin’ published… I certainly hope so ‘cuz the academy needs all the fresh, strong minds it ken get.
KEEP THE FAITH, THE TRUTH AND A PUBLISHER WILL SET YOU FREE!!
sedation just starting to wear off. so … pain hasn’t really hit. had a few naps this afternoon but would have been a lot happier if there weren’t men with electric saws trimming the trees right in front of my apartment!
Cheney did not cross paths with the GOP’s expected presidential nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain, who left Baghdad after a weekend visit.
Well, i wouldn’t be so ambitious but i think i’m going on the job market in the fall and trying to go to some place in the EU. I’m brushing up on languages also.
No, it’s Dina McGreevey’s fault.
Please try to keep up! *g*
I’m so not interested in any more prostitution or blue dress stories. Or what Brit Spears is up to, for that matter.
boa tarde, pups
That sucks! Hopefully they’ll be done soon…!
Go get em but I’d hate to see you go elsewhere. . .like the Flamethrower said, “needs fresh young minds”.
yup, suddenly every one’s interested in my work last year on interest rate sensitivity in financial company stocks … imagine that
Someone could bring up something unimportant. Say like Hillary Clinton’s refusal to releases certain financial documents.
I went to the PO Plus in the Castro today, and the street right in front was being jackhammered! I felt so bad for the fellows inside.
Hopefully the end-of-day whistle will blow soon for your landscapers. Best wishes, dear.
LMAO and catchin’ my breath…my father was an English teacher and a mean insufferable bastard, he.
yeah, they’re done, but they made my plan to nap all afternoon just a tad difficult.
Did you get a nap in then?
Raven- I have some GA election stuff to mention to you, and I don’t know quite where to put it in a thread. OT for sure. But, if you tell me you will check this thread, I will report back.
Thanks Teddy
3 short ones!
K, I’m about to bail for a while here.
Hang in there brother Raven…and come back and keep us honest later.
oh, good, i saw your comment up on facebook.. i can relate…my karma is to always take a nap when the guy next door decides to use his chain saw on something
Raven- okay- I’ll try to see if I can send you an email via Facebook.
Take care, as soon as my fav jeans are dry I’m going to go drink beer and turn green
As an aside, I’ve seen lots of people refer to Spitzer’s dalliance with a prostitute as “betraying his wife” or some similar turn of phrase. Has his wife spoken out on the issue? I ask because not all relationships operate under the same ground rules, for all we know Spitzer had the go-ahead to hire professionals to do things that his wife wasn’t willing to do with him at home. If that were the case, then we could hardly call it a betrayal. We, the public, simply aren’t privvy to the inner workings of their marriage, nor should we, so it seems more appropriate to call it something else, perhaps as simple as “hiring a prostitute” or somesuch phrase.
One note on North Fork reporting Spitzer. I asked a friend who works for a major financial company in the anti-money laundering department, and she said that Spitzer asking for his name not to be on the transaction would prompt an automatic reporting of the incident. The bank wouldn’t have a choice without facing possible repercussions themselves. Which makes the whole thing seem weird. If he hadn’t asked, they may or may not have reported it. But his asking was apparently the trigger, although I haven’t heard that aspect in any of the reports.
funny, the plan was to go back to the market he visited last year with his private escort of a battalion and heavily armed fighter copters
they said they couldn’t get him there, it was too dangerous
go figure
Personally I am shocked at all of this. Who could have predicted?
Here is a link to an anti-money-laundering manual on-line, that describes structuring.
“more like the US Attorney was engaging in a political hit job. I’m not saying that Garcia in fact did such a thing. I have absolutely no reason to believe he did”
What the fuck planet have you been living on, man?
The bit I quoted comes from the opening paragragh of the statute and all the other elements are numbered subparagraphs. So, under the ordinary rules of statutory construction this “known to be proceeds of unlawful activity” element appears to apply to every permutation of the crime in that statute.
It doesn’t matter if you have all the elements but one in triplicate. It’s the one missing element that causes the judge to dismiss the indictment. If you are missing one element of a crime, you don’t have a chargable crime.
No, in money laundering cases money often passes through several accounts before it ends up where it’s intended to go. The thing is, if what we are reading in the newspapers is correct (sometimes that’s a big if) and if I understand correctly what I am reading (also sometimes a big if, as EW has proven to me on many occasions) then the money in question came out of his personally controlled accounts.
If that money was originally campaign money, they can get him for regular old campaign finance fraud and don’t need to twist themselves up like pretzels with money laundering.
If you have to present a case to a jury which is easier, a) this guy stole money from his campaign and used for his personal purposes; or b) this guy made this complex series of money transfers which I will explain it to you with the help of the convenient 50 page flow chart?
I would go with (a) every time.
Eg,
I do feel bad for him, cause we don’t KNOW that there is anything wrong with how this case is being handled. It’s just that with all the mendacious shenanigans that have gone on at other USAO’s every move he makes with be seen through a dark lens.
Now, if I’m Spitzer’s lawyer, this give me a lot of leverage.
I don’t know. I am confused about the reference to the hooker/confidential informant who the papers SEEM to indicate got immunity in 2006. I also think it is more probable that a SARS was generated for the Emperor’s Club front company and that turned up the wire transfers from Spitzer, but
I did see an article somewhere about him calling the bank to try to undo a wiretransfer and the reported details of that telephone would have caused me to file a SAR if I was that bank manager.
We don’t know that this case has been politicized. If it had happened on AGAG’s watch i would be more inclined to think so. And I’m not defending Mukasey, who broke my heart refusing to declare waterboarding torture, but we don’t yet KNOW what the results of this investigation will be.
Before I’m gonna accuse sombody of violating their oath of office, I want to be absolutely convinced in my own heart. I’m not there yet on this case.
I DO have a lot of questions and loose ends that that I don’t have answers for yet.
You bring up a very intriging point. Spitzer has the legal team (Michele Hirshman is lawyer’s lawyer–for me, she is an icon), the savvy and the money to take this fight to the gov’t.
If there is any prosecutorial hanky panky, he is in a position to one last great act of civil service for his state and his country–which would be to expose that prosecutorial misconduct if it exists.
Hey, it might even get him a second act in politics.
I agree with that. But do we know when in the timeline that happened? You see, if it came AFTER the investigation was already underway…..? Which I don’t know.
LHP, I am so grateful for your posts. What a sanity outlet. People on ground seem to think Spitzer “broke the law, what a jerk.” Then there is the E-channel news of the “other woman.” I have to try and explain that I am not defending prostitution, Johns or even Spitzer persay. My objection is to a “hit” on an elected Dem official, and the principle of the thing. If the USAttorney is fudging his reasons for using the money laundering act or the BSA on Spitzer, so much the worse. If there are rethuglican political operatives involved, it positively stinks. And then there is the Mann act. If this is generally used on human trafficking and pedophiles-cross-state as you wirte, then it seems the law is being bent and distorted and tax payer resources are being used that should be used for say, Mafia, and not for political hits. ARGHH! Disinfectant should be applied to the DOJ, not Eliot Spitzer.
I hope they do expose any prosecutorial misconduct.
Just to be clear, I think they have him cold under the Mann Act.
His conduct, IMHO, clearly makes out all the elements of the crime under that statute. It’s just that ordinarily the statute is not used for situtations involving consensual immoral activeity between adults.
But my point is why waste so much money on “Spitzer’s a John to a fancy adult escort agency.” (My answer is really? He and how many other politicos?) I mean was going after “johns” the original intent of the Mann Act? Isn’t money much better spent going after organized crime human trafficking and prostitution rings?
Which is how it is usually used.
When David Vitter experiences the same condemnations, I’ll get medieval on Gov. Spitzer’s ass. Until then, fuck the hypocrites.
lhp, imho the real story here is that FBI and DoJ resources dedicated to the GWOT were used to trail high priced hookers for at least two years. If I’m at the FBI or DoJ, I’m asking myself, do I want to spend my day chasing armed and dangerous Islamofascists or chasing high priced hookers. IMHO, this is about a government boondoggle with
hate that wordHomeland security. Once they figured it was whores, they should have turned it over to New York state.FWIW, I thought all those Mike Nifong-like leaks to the press sure qualified as massive prosecutorial misconduct. They could have just named him in the filing against the Emperor’s club and left the rest to our imagination. The fact that they went so far beyond that, to me, shows how deeply his political enemies were invested. IMHO, they wanted a male whore or a something kinky, that they could get on tape. The fact that they got neither, again imho, really pissed them off. The fact that they went into such extreme and unnecessary detail (as Christy and you pointed out about the “difficult” customer part (which Kristin demolished on the tapes)) simply confirms to me what the agenda was.
I had not known about the Bruno connection–altho’ Roger Stone could just be posturing, claiming a “kill” when he actually had nothing to do with taking Sptizer down.
But, now these stories about Paterson’s affairs coming out, with the hint that one of his affairs when he and his wife were having problems was with a staffer has already raised questions about misconduct and sexeual harrassment on MSNBC at least. The affairs? No problem. The possible misconduct? Did Bruno know about these peccadilloes before going ballistic on Sptizer?
Can Joe Bruno resist impeaching Paterson and gaining the governorship of NY???
Pure conjecture, but I put nothing beyond reThugs.