When I was a little kid, I would watch PBS’ The Electric Company religiously. One of the skits they did was of a mock game show called "Give It Back", where the contestants were penalized for wrong answers by giving stuff back: Houses, cars, etc. In looking at the ever-growing likelihood of meltdown of our economy — and Republican efforts to push the ‘clap louder!’ theme by gagging those who would speak honestly and openly about how they are suffering because of it — I’d like to see the people who orchestrated the collapse, and who are even now giving themselves platinum parachutes to escape the wreckage, give back everything they’ve gained and then some from their bust-out of the world economy. (Hedge fund managers would be near the top of the list, right after Alan Greenspan and the Bush, Cheney and other neocon ‘socialize the risk, privatize the profit’ families.)
Trying to get reimbursements from those who would profit from hollowing out our society’s substance is not a new idea. And it’s true that those folks like Eliot Spitzer who try to get the greedheads to pony up somehow wind up being targeted for takedowns by those who are themselves in bed with the bust-out crew. Some might see the idea of reimbursement as mere revenge; I see it as a necessity if our society is to continue to function at any level beyond the barbaric.
The first and best thing to do would be to bring back the tax rates that existed during President Eisenhower’s terms in office. In addition, RICO laws could be used in the manner that Greg Palast suggested back in 2005. (Considering how broadly RICO statutes have been interpreted since being put on the books to take out mobsters, this actually would be a lot closer to RICO’s original intent than a lot of RICO prosecutions I’ve seen in the last three decades.)
I can already hear the squeals from those folk who live in gated communities. But if things continue to melt down, they’ll find that even if they pay their security guards in gold bars that it won’t be enough to save them when society collapses. When thousands of angry people with nothing to lose converge on their estates, they’ll wish they’d taken up the comparatively-painless option of coughing up 91% of their wealth to preserve the world we all live in.



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hi PW
There really is a feeling among the rich that they are more deserving and better than the rest of us, that the rest of us don’t count. They didn’t learn “sharing” back in pre-school.
i watched electric company too
gr eed
greed
In the fdl newsbox is the story that two hedge funds have forced their way on to the board of the NYT company. This doesn’t mean the company will go down the tubes tomorrow (because of the way the family holds control) but it is not a good sign and is a testament to the inept leadership of Pinch Sulzberger. So now we have a goof on one side and groups that would like to break up the company and sell off its assets (as hedge funds are wont to do).
You got it!
But if things continue to melt down, they’ll find that even if they pay their security guards in gold bars that it won’t be enough to save them when society collapses. When thousands of angry people with nothing to lose converge on their estates, they’ll wish they’d taken up the comparatively-painless option of coughing up 91% of their wealth to preserve the world we all live in.
Yep, I’ve made this argument for years…..can ya hear me now you rich morons.
Watts, Newark, Detroit… et al, will pale in comparison…
Recall that museum piece, the Sherman Anti-Trust Act?
Some people were really rich on Friday…today…no so much..
Oh, yeah. We’re running into that problem with Avista, who bought the Strib from McClatchy after McClatchy bit off way more than it chew with the Knight-Ridder takeover.
Pinch is a moron, a rich young know-nothing twerp of a moron.
Could we at least put to rest this supply-side madness that tax cuts are always the right answer to economic problems?
Does anyone know how much the Chairman of Bear Sterns will receive? He probably has a golden parachute.
When thousands of angry people with nothing to lose converge on their estates, they’ll wish they’d taken up the comparatively-painless option of coughing up 91% of their wealth to preserve the world we all live in.
Watts, Newark, Detroit… et al, will pale in comparison…
Yea, the revolution is right around the corner.
Sounds like he’s a Bush cousin.
KO!!!!
Most folks with half a brain put that shit to rest when ronnie raygun was in office.
KO W = Herbert Hoover
One would hope so.
Well this goes to show the ‘merits’ of de-regulation, huh?
Give it back!!!!! Okay, off to read this post now. LOL (felt good to scream)
I could not put it better myself. He’s a posterboy for why family dynasties don’t work and why the estate tax is needed.
Ah, but the corporate media still pretends it’s viable because Ronnie killed the Fairness Doctrine for them (among other things). See also On Bended Knee: The Press and the Reagan Presidency.
not to mention the possibility of slanting the news a tad? i can see it now:
Maybe they should have taken that 300 billion and divided up amongst everyone who does not qualify for the taxbreak for the rich. Heh, heh.
Actually, they got screwed, poor things…
http://www.reuters.com/article…..1520080317
Well I don’t know about economic problems but it was raining here today and looking out at the slick driveways I couldn’t help but think a tax cut would have cured all this. I’ve heard tax cuts are also good for backache but I don’t have a link for this.
they’re still trying to figure that out …it looks like most of his wealth was in BS stock …
Public television used to exist in America, but it doesn’t anymore.
Commercial TV is 100% commercial.
Non commercial TV is 100% commercial.
Can you name a PBS series that is funded without public money? There aren’t any.
It’s PBS falt for pretending to be public, but it’s congresses fault that the funds they allocating to produce public TV for a year are less than NBC spends in ONE HOUR.
1,793 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Phoenix Woman:
“…I’d like to see the people who orchestrated the collapse…give back everything they’ve gained and then some for their bustout of the world economy.”
YEEEESSSS!! It’s called taxation. Undo the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, bump up the top bracket for those over $500,00 to 50%, cut the FICA tax to 5.5% and eliminate the cap. Do that and once ya get the war in Iraq over with you’ll be ready ta have some surpluses ta spend.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…THEY WON’T GIVE IT back, WE’RE GUNNA HAFTA TAKE IT!!!
He just bought a pad in the Plaza for $25MM
Wonder is now is the time to have a discussion about Social Security? I would pay big money to hear Republicans talk about how desirable it would be to put your money in the stock market. Not sure if they know how to read an income and expense sheet though.
There is LINK TV which is commercial free listeners sponsored Direct TV375.
It has great prgramming.
Were the Feds playing games over the last two days? Seems to me they do this to see what the reaction on the market will be and of Americans. No different than putting a frog in a bucket and slowly adding warm-to-boiling water to kill it.
Makes for some good campaign ads with the Rs screaming to move SS into the “market”.
Also, it’s not lost on me that those people who had Bear Stearns stock lost their shirt, because their stocks went from $50 to $2 overnight. Oh, but it looks good when one of the “Market Buddies” buys them out so they can say it really didn’t collapse.
Can you imagine how screwed everybody would be had Bush’s SS plan become law??? Makes ya wonder if that was the aim…turn everybody into a bunch of poor slaves to the corporations…
If the tax rate for the top 0.01 % was good enough for Ike in his day then it should be good enough for the rich of today! TAX them! They having robbing us for years, sneaking into our back pockets while we weren’t looking!
TAX THEM TO HELL!
ENRON
hear, hear!
I read that an english billionaire, who owns 10% of Bear Sterns stock has personally lost 1 billion dollars (true? correct facts *g*)
I wonder if Ken Lay is in hell or in Paraguay?
Frogs are smarter than Bush. They will get out of the water:
http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp
:)
BINGO
I’ve been saying this for a few years now, the democrats CANNOT say they are going to “raise taxes on the wealthy”
they MUST say;
“we are going to RE AQUIRE the assets that were STOLEN from the middle class, we are going to REBUILD our infrastructure and the middle class with ASSETS THAT ARE ALREADY THEIRS
the assets that were STOLEN will be re aquired FROM WHENCE THEY WENT”
bada BING
This JPM-C “buyout” of a bankrupt Bear Stearns was done primarily to insulate the executives from criminal conspiracy charges, given their optimistic happy-talk of a week ago.
or Dubai?
let’s conjugate;
dubai
dubayou
bubame
DUBA DUBA DOOOOOOO
too much cafein, forgive
Absofrikinlutely!
Talk about Golden parachute for Kenny boy… I wonder his money is now? Maybe in Paraguay? Open his casket and make sure he is in there. Wouldn’t be the first time these things have happened!
but don’t use the term “tax”, use the term “reaquire assets taken”
punish these morons with their own “talking points”
Check this out…re: Jeff Skilling:
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor…..21586.html
OK But they must return what they have taken in the name of pure unadulterated GREED!
So I’m watching KO and they are going on and on about Obama and the Jeremiah Wright thing having the potential to derail Obama entirely. A WHOLE segment on it. Nothing yet about the financial melt-down in the works. WFT?
Am I missing something here?????
Heh, heh:
http://www.kenlayisalive.org/
hi revdeb
Ummm…he works for MSNBC? I think he’s going to talk about it.
it was more depraved then greed, they took money and asets they could never ever spend, they didn’t need or want the wealth
they did it so there is a greater devide, they don’t want a middle class, they don’t want the masses to be educated, they don’t want public works, roads, public schools, public access to electricity or cars
they are robber barons and they want a robber baron economy
I would assume so, but the biggest stories always lead . . . . . .
OT to P W–
hey pw, today, a ruling in the upcomimg construction of one of the power plants coming to meigs county, oh…….
it has been delayed.
court ruled it was illegal to pass on cost of construction to consumers, is against ohio law, company is going back to regulatory board to redesign plans……
doesn’t mean it won’t be built, just means delayed while they come up with another plan………
so, good news for now, wanted you to know.
Not really but it’s all over the MSM and Obama is going to address it on a speech tomorrow
Do you know and Ds smart enough to do that?
Has it ever been done? Has the US govt ever taken back ill-gotten profit?
I sure hope that in his speech he talks about the real priorities rather than the made up ones. By building up the speech they are also building up the expectations. Unless it is brillliant, he loses.
I hate this.
Don’t know, but it sure sounds like a great movement to me.
moi
well, it’s obvious you aren’t missing the point.
Off topic:
Did anyone watch the new New York Governor give his speech today? I thought it was terrific and I think he is pretty special too (he’s legally blind and black). I absolutely loved this ‘funny’ in the beginning of his speech:
“The last time I was in this chamber I was gaveling in for the State of the State and Speaker Silver had brought me in here to practice so I didn’t destroy anything in our first year. But in our second year, I said don’t bother, I know how to do this.
Apparently, I was about to bring the gavel down on a glass, like this one.
The speaker at the last second grabbed the gavel away from me and he told me in his own inimitable way, as only Shelly can, I will not allow you to turn the State of the State into a Jewish wedding.”
Bah hahahahahahaha! Too funny.
If you missed it, you can read the whole speech here: http://ny.gov/governor/keydocs/speech_0317081.html
ya, it was called “the new deal”
What is wrong with the “italics” feature? LOL Only one paragraph of 3 italicized @ #68. Darn it.
I meant elected Ds.
I have confidence that it will be great, and it is sorely needed now, but…of course, it doesn’t matter what he says, because they are hot on destroying him and will spin everything…
I hate this too. Both Dem candidates are getting slammed and McInsane is spoken of as sitting back and acting like the president he will be appointed to be.
I did hear something to that effect today on CNBC (heard the 10% part but not sure what it was referring to). Can you imagine losing a billion? Oh wait. We’ve lost $3 trillion because of Bush lying our nation into an illegal occupation. Nevermind.
well, any of them can hire me for policy decisions, I will leave my day job but insist on going to teh casino every week
I posted this downstairs and it’s good, off topic but good
h/t rachael maddow
in one of the republican debates, the quire sang;
“why should god bless america”
and it went on to say because we allow abortion and gays, god should not bless america
and the republican candidates tapped their feet and not one had a problem with it
this is exactly what they are yelling and screaming about barak’s pastor
go figure
Paterson is a good guy. He might do some great things for NY.
I lost a billion once. Then found it again in the couch cushions along with the TV remote.
no.
Well I’ll interpret the fact that no elected D has reached out to you to advise them, none of them have the balls to “take it back.”
Wow…Bush looks awful…his whole face is droopy…it must be hard being the cheeleader for global disaster. How embarrassing.
I absolutely love him. If I could get away with slapping him inside two pieces of bread so I could eat him, I would do it. LOL It was so heart warming watching everyone hugging him as he walked through the building to leave. Nice to see some warmth in government sometimes!
Oh wow. Did you happen to find the missing wmd? Even Bush can’t find them!
hmmm
if hillary wants to have a shot against obama, she will hire me
I will not charge much but I want to be an ambassador if she gets in
I liked the moving forward, moving on tone of his speech
He really seems like a good guy with good karma…obviously.
Have him check the bottom of Texteen’s closet. I suspect they might be between the water uzis and the nerf guns.
Who’s got all the US taxpayer money…it has to be somewhere? We need a list and we need to go after it and get it back.
A plan that’s passed the test of time…tried and true: JP Morgan wins again!
That’s the report. You can find it on Yahoo and other news places.
This is what happens when regulations are thrown out. Those at the top always game the system at the expense of the masses.
I know it won’t happen but I wish Congress would take away corporations rights to stand as an individual.
Isn’t that saying on the Bush family crest?
Grand Caymans.
Halliburton.
KBR.
Chalabi.
Carlyle.
Somebody in Iraq.
Somebody in Afghanistan.
GWB
Cheney
Ken Lay
The Saudis
Bandar Bush
Tony Blair
All the Bushco hacks like Kagan and family.
Kristol
GE
Murdoch
No money? Job Gone? Uncle Scam will help,he offers 3 hots and a cot. Clothing and shoes too (well boots really) and travel to exotic locales. Good pay too, well compared to no pay.
Could be or either that….there are no wmd to begin with! [insert Maxwell Smart’s…”I see”]
Ya Think!!
Exxon
Chevron
That Texas Hunt guy
So what IS that stuff in the closet?
Beware Directive 51.
Dam I already did that years ago in the sixties! Ya think they will have me back?
How will we know that the Americans who should be getting the rebate checks in May actually got them? Is there any way to check or do we just have to ask our middle class neighbors to see if they go theirs or not?
It would be nice if they would Give It Back, but I expect we’ll simply have to Take It Back: America, all our money, assets, and commons the evildoers have stolen from us.
Take It Back
Breathe in, breathe out. :) It’s going to be a long election season.
I’m proud that his speech will be happening in my state. The state where our Constitution was written.
We’ve got to face these issues head on to defeat them. We can’t have our campaigns run by fear.
I call it piercing the corporate veil. No corporation should have the rights of a legal person unless those at the top accept personal culpubility for their actions.
Corporations were formed as limited liability cooperatives for those too small to assume all the risk. Seems the individual assumes all the burdens while corporate officials skate.
Hell if I know! LOL
good evening all,hows it hangin?
Yes!
KO did talk about the housing crisis/BS bailout. Paraphrased “Bush won’t help homeowners about to go bankrupt and lose their homes but he throws billions to the country club gang”
Hear, hear.
solai at 63 says-”
Has it ever been done? Has the US govt ever taken back ill-gotten profit?”
only cases i can think of are-drug dealers and people associated with it/confiscate property and money, not paying taxes on under-the-table money and tax evasion.
in other words, breaking laws that involve money……..hmmmmmmm…..
breaking laws that involve money, that’s not what’s going on at wall street, is it? /s
no, it’s just paper, not real money. make believe money, that must be why noone’s been arrested for it.
$15,000,000,000 a month for unwinnable wars. Now that’s a melt down.
oy my dad was in the 93% tax rate
KO…just called out the NEWSMax/NY TImes
Whats the matter, you don’t like camp.
but the very discussion must be framed so that even a repukelican will agree;
regulations didn’t appear from whole cloth, they are almost always written to address issues corporations caused and refused to address themselves
for instance, they refused to clean the crap they were dumping on our air so we had to regulate them into paying to clean up their own garbage
for instance, they refused to maintain their equiptment and people died so we had to regulate them into paying to keep people from dying
a regulation is only their to make sure the corporation pays the bills that they must pay
some regulations are counter productive to US and THEN we revisit THAT regulation
but we DO NOT rescind regulation wholesale, we KEEP the regulations that give us positive return, we revisit the reguations that give us negative return
that is how the discussion must be framed, that “they refused to pay their own bills and we had to force them so the middle class doesn’t pay their bills for them”
Exactly. The taxpayers are left holding the bag every time. Only this time it’s going to get really ugly. Something should be done about it.
absouloutlyfuckingaright!!! This was perpetrated at the very beginning of our country by the rich back then!
Most excellent commentary PW.
All day long I was on the road listening to talk radio all I heard was the bogus outrage about the comments from Obama’s Pastor. Hardly a whisper about the Bear Stearns bailout. I was waiting all day to hear just one reporter question these Wall Street whores about the “invisible hand” of the free market. Not one tough question. This is the S&L bailout times 10. Privatize the profit socialize the risk.
And my father was under the highest tax rate under Kennedy – we prospered; the nation prospered.
Give me back my health care! Oh wait…
It’s already been a long election season. I think the Brits have it right. They campaign for about 5 weeks I think. And PA is now my state too! Wish I could get excited about it all, but I struggle.
My worst fear is that he gets elected and we wind up with business as usual because he really isn’t a spirited reformer—the corpos wouldn’t have let him get this far if he was—and those millions of young enthusiastic new dems watch the air go out of the balloon and drop out from the political process totally disillusioned.
For me, as I have said before, it’s about the SCOTUS. period.
Yes!
Geez, why do you insist on being so rational? That’s soooo 1990s.
Rico? We can’t even jail Scooter. People have lost faith in our justice system. Just ask them.
New KO schedule for re-airs- original at 8 ET, reair at 10pm and 2 am.
Exactly!
I’m auditioning for policy making for one of the candidates but nobody is looking me up
Feels good to scream, doesn’t it? Problem is…the people we want to hear it are never around. Dammit.
For me, as I have said before, it’s about the SCOTUS. period.
We can not allow them one more seat on SCOTUS.
In fact, a priority should be to expand SCOTUS to 13 as soon as a Democrat is sworn into the Presidency.
The “Strict Constructionalists” presently on the bench would never permit that! It wouldn’t fly when FDR tried it and it will never be enacted now. At least not in my lifetime & Roberts & Alito are younger than I am….
http://www.ohio.com/news/16699961.html
ot to pw–
hey pw, after reading this article, looks like your banking information/funding information from your post the other day that talked about banks limiting funds for coal plants may end up being true, they may have to get more money, possibly affecting the meigs county plant after all………maybe………
and i left you a post at 60.
My understanding is that FDR tried it by Presidential decree/fiat. With a nice super majority of Dems in the House and Senate after ‘08, it could be passed as a bill. I do not believe the firm make-up of SCOTUS is mandated by the constitution and as we know, someone would have to have “standing” to sue and there is no way all the WATB at the Heritage, AEI, Federalist Society, or Cato would have any standing whatsoever.
I love the fact that one of those hedge funds is named “Harbinger.”
When you name your hedge fund “Harbinger,” you’re daring the universe not to turn the name into a dark, ironic joke.
Your comment inspired me to go and learn something about that matter & I discovered that there have been numerous successful attempts to change the composition of SCOTUS, albeit none in modernity. FDR had a situation analogous to what the Democrats would encounter should they sweep and be overcome with a wave of progressivism.
McMansions into McTenements. Gated McCommunities that used to be towns and cities until the McWealthy decided that it was all for me and none for thee, taking even the taxes their McWorkers pay to subsidize their own companies.
Pastor Hagee and the christianists who follow McBush must have excised quite a lot from their bible, starting with the Good Samaritan.