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Late Sunday, the Federal Reserve made three announcements hoping to calm world financial markets and forestall a financial panic.
First, the Feds are again reducing the interest rate they charge banks by a quarter point and extending the period from 30 to 90 days. Another rate cut could occur Tuesday.
Second, after playing the middleman to enable the Fed’s multi-billion bailout of Bear Stearns last week, JP Morgan has agreed, with the Federal Reserve backing the risks, to purchase Bear Stearns for a mere $2 per share.
Yep, two bucks. As The Agonist noted, Bear Stearns was trading last week at $50 per share, but even at $2/share, the Feds, who stand behind JP Morgan, may be taking a risk if Bear Stearns "assets" are in fact net liabilities. (h/t Ian and nomolos).
UPDATE: Third, expanding on the deal it gave Bear Stearns last week, the Fed further opened its loan windows directly to other non-bank Wall Street financial institutions, offering them what appears to be unlimited credit through loans/exchanges of the firms’ shaky assets for safer US securities. It appears to be a massive bailout of those firms whose teetering financial conditions are based on the shaky mortagage markets.
The Fed’s unprecedented actions are meant to ward off a broader collapse as the financial/confidence crises spread. If you haven’t read Ian Welsh’s excellent background explaining all this, you should do so. Today’s New York Times summarizes the concerns this morning.
The cash squeeze that brought Bear Stearns to its knees is fanning fears that other investment banks might be vulnerable to the crisis of confidence gripping Wall Street.
Investors are bracing for another volatile week in the markets as bankers and policy makers deal with the fallout from their bid to rescue Bear Stearns.
For now, the prospect of a new wave of consolidation in the beleaguered financial services industry seems remote. That is because would-be acquirers and everyday investors alike have lost faith in the values that Wall Street firms are placing on their own assets.
Of particular concern are the so-called marks placed on mortgage-linked investments like those that undid Bear Stearns, prompting a run on the firm that led the Federal Reserve and JPMorgan Chase to throw Bear Stearns a financial lifeline last week. . . .
The unhappy experience of Bear Stearns proves that it is a lack of confidence, not capital, that ultimately topples even the savviest financial institutions.
“Once you have a run on the bank you are in a death spiral and your assets become worthless,” said David Trone, a brokerage analyst at Fox Pitt Kelton.
On Saturday, Martin Feldstein, president of the Cambridge/Harvard economic research group that makes the official call on whether we’re in recession, delivered his opinion. His assessment was that we’re not only in a recession but could be facing the worst recession since World War II. "The situation is bad, it’s getting worse, and the risks are that the situation could be very bad," he warned. Udpdate II: Alan Greenspan concurs (h/t Biodun, Bilbo).
To borrow my favorite economic term, this is serious stuff. We need the wisest, most mature leadership we can muster to avert a serious recession or worse. The entire financial system is on the verge of collapse, with the Fed using every tool in its limited monetary arsenal to prop up confidence in the system.
As Ian noted, with the Fed’s monetary tools stetched, we could use some fiscal policy help from Congress and the President. But as if to mock us, President George "Hoover" Bush warned business leaders that government should avoid "overcorrecting the economy" — as though the problem we’re facing is not a Fed running out of options but rather a government trying to do too much instead of relying on the unfettered markets.
Markets? The Fed has already used $400 billion of its $800 billion of readily available funds trying to bail out the wizards of Wall Street, and is facing the need to print money — and risk inflation — to retain further leverage. The Fed is in the process of taking over and running Wall Street financial institutions, only a step removed from nationalization.
Meanwhile, we’re stuck with President Hoover and in desparate need of FDR. So it would be helpful if the media, who are recently into censoring black ministers, began instead to ask Obama and Clinton about how good their economic advisers are. Update III: I see I’ve been far to harsh on Herbert Hoover. Point taken.
All eyes will be in the world’s and US financial markets to see how they respond to the Fed’s unprecedented interventions this weekend. Will they hold? Or panic? Hang on.
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McCain takes a taxpayer-funded campaign trip to Baghdad… and mysteriously enough Cheney decides he needs to accompany him…
…I guess the conditioning is still underway!
Apparently not. Their “investment” is backed by you and I with our unlimited and incredible wealth!!!
buckle your seatbelts.
‘morning, ‘crow!
back atcha
Gotta love the free market.
But Bushie has a MBA?
Yep, I just caught that and will update.
And he was a fighter jock and all that shit.
Good morning, Scarecrow. You’re right on the mark this morning.
Don’t miss Krugman’s column which ends rather ominously too,
And he is codpiece in chief
Let me guess….the CEO of Bear Stearns will walk away with the very least $250 million? Wouldn’t surprise me. Bunch of crooks…all of them.
“Bush Is Becoming Hoover; Where is FDR?”
At home in North Carolina.
Greenspan: We’re now in the worst economic crisis since World War II…
Don’t the Bushies know all about Resolution Trust and bailouts?
and Good Morning Scarecrow!
Wasn’t this during bush1 when neilboy ripped off 200mill?
Who could have foreseenWho could be surprised that we are finally encountering the effects of seven years under leadership that clearly announces that rules are for the breaking. If you are a large company, anything goes while you line the pockets of upper level management.You can bet that Bear Stearns is the tip of an iceberg. Wall Street operates by the lemming philosophy. If Bear Stearns is nothing but bad paper, then virtually all of the investment banking sector is also.
If the “sages” are saying we are in the worst recession since World War II, my be is that we are actually facing the “D” word: depression.
What else could you expect when we have five years of war at $12 billion a month, a political system that treats taxes as sin and a total lack of regulation of financial markets. Dig in folks, this will get ugly.
No mention of his role in it, huh?
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs,
via calculated risk -
the page also has ‘futures’ links
almost 600 comments this morning – jaysus !
calculated risk
Here’s what one of my readers said last night on my blog:
“# Uncle Fester Lurks Says:
March 16, 2008 at 10:17 pm e
Lets see. George HW. Bush raided the treasury as president, his son Neal was involved in the S&L banking scandal from the 80’s, his youngest son Jeb was involved in healthcare fraud in Florida, HW’s son Marvin was part of the security firm at the WTC before 9/11 than was hired by the Houston insurance company that the WTC was insured with. Then theirs little georgie, the pathetic failure and eldest son of the Bush clan. The guy who made $$$$ off of the failed Harken Oil, used eminent domain to grab land for the new Texas Rangers baseball stadium, sat on his ass during the Enron scandal, sat on his ass before 9/11, and has sat on his ass as the subprime loan fiscal has exploded. Criminals thru and thru.”
And let’s add today to the long list of financial scandals! Shall we?
Unreal how out.of.touch. this guy is. I thought of Hoover in the past year–looking at the number of houses for sale or in foreclosure and the number of people living in housetrailers now (at least in my neck of the woods)…that used to be the Middle Class.
I wanted to travel the country taking pictures of it all, so that there would be some historical record….
Meant for the previous thread so slightly OT.
Morning All!
Top of this one to you. If coffee is not enough to get your brain started, here is a Mark Penn statement that will set your head spinning, so much does it twist and turn the logic said brain in said head is supposed to produce.
h/t Politico via TPM:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/…..ivity.html
Is this a distinction without a difference, semantically? Does this make any sense whatsoever?
Perhaps the difference is that the Clinton campaign went negative and personal–Rezko 17 years, the kindergarden charge, the not Moslem is what he tells me–when the Clinton campaign was ahead and has stayed negative consistently, while Obama is only said to be going ahead with negatives now–said to, mind you, not done.
Then there is the fact that he has not lost momentum–his recent gains having wiped out Ohio, and as Kos says his metrics ahead by almost every measure except absolute number of superdelegates (and his rate of gain is better than hers).
As for transparency, he has asked that she release her tax info as he has. Oooh, so nasty that one.
Signif. Other is a master logic chopper who gave up on the possibility of logic coming out of Penn’s mouth and will not hear another word about it.
So help me here. Is there a reading I am missing that makes this statement make any sense whatsoever, in terms of argument or evidence?
I bet Bush will say, “Today is a hiccup”. Who wants to bet? He’s just an eternal optimist! Oh yes, when Rome is collapsing all around him he’s the kind of guy who will say, “Well, let’s look on the bright side. We still have our health”.
this is brilliant, at times of inflation we’re supposed to be raising interest to get funds out of circulation, instead they figure the opposite is gonna do the trick
man, we are gonna have to start printing money state by state
from scarecrow’s nyt quote:
while it’s true that a lack of confidence can topple even the most sound financial institution – that sure doesn’t sound like what happened with bear stearns. seems, to me at least, that it would be more accurate to say that investors are finally realizing that “the values that Wall Street firms are placing on their own assets” is bullshit. and what we are seeing is an unwinding from the position of “faith” to one with a more rational basis. the lack of confidence is not unjustified – which makes is all the more dangerous, because it can spiral out of control.
Oh, and good morning, Scarecrow.
So that’s it. Shrub’s legacy: Hoover with torture.
Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism discusses the crisis in light of a scary article in the Telegraph. In part, he says,
My bold.
The market will have a run today on all the banks, hedgefunds, investment firms etc. Then tomorrow or Wednesday the investors will go after companies that owe a lot of debt to banks because the Fed can’t bail them out too and with the economy exploding nobody thinks that they will be able to pay the banks.
Plus the banks can’t ignore debt their too broke right now. End the war and spend to rebuild the bridges is my best advice FDR and Keynes were Geniuses.
Bush’s NeoCon’s with Chicago School Economics training were not.
We need to ban the teaching of Chicago School Economics from schools except as an example of what can go wrong.
He will be playing with his piddle
I am betting he says we need more tax cuts
and he’s not an eternal optimust, he is a pathological liar
thus, deregulation, wonderfull thing that
OT – jim, left you a reply at the bottom of previous thread.
man, we are gonna have to start printing money state by state
Great Bush is taking advice from the Wemiar Republic of Germany.
what’s the good of hoarding cash when they’ve printed so much it’s worth less then water?
I think we should be hoarding water and protein bars not cash
selise–I replied. No problem here; you were making a good point I had left out.
it’s a good thing I have a wheelbarrow
Jane quoted by CSPAN host!
Happy St. Patricks Day all.
This may seem OT, but, ahem, aren’t there pots of gold involved?
That could save the economy. Ha ha.
And, don’t just wear green, think green.
Joe Scarborough was repeating your question, Scarecrow — in a whiny kind of voice: “Where’s FDR? Where’s the Democrat saying ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’?”
What Joe misses is that in addition to saying that famous line, FDR also pushed to straighten out the markets and put the economy back on track. The Civilian Conservation Corps, the Works Projects Administration, and all those ‘alphabet soup’ agencies put people to work.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that had Joe been around in 1933, he would not have been pleased at such a “heavy hand of big government” attempt to address the problem.
What was the quote about?
any firedogs out there struggling with the subject – 2 most excellent pieces by Ian Welsh will help get you up to speed –
Bernanke’s Bind
How It Will Play Out
sometimes it all might as well be sanskrit – this page helps
Investopedia has a dictionary and tutorials
Let me get this straight. The people who thought these crappy securities were the path to incredible wealth (and it was until the mirrors broke and the smoke cleared away), combined with the Fed and Treasury Dept are supposed to fix this mess. Good luck with that. I can only imagine what Bear Sterns shareholders are thinking this morning, particularly those who jumped in when shares were selling at $100 plus. Awwwwwwwwww. Let’s throw ‘em a pity party.
Reminds me of the Cree proverb:
Only when the last tree is cut,
Only when the last river is polluted,
Only when the last fish is caught,
Only then will they realize
that you cannot eat money.
People start hoarding cash and I heard recently someone advocating buying lots of silver to hedge against what was coming…but I thought “you can’t EAT silver”…
They were talking about race and gender in the campaign
‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’?”
Joe should know that until we close the banks and verify that they actually do have money and that their mortgage debt is valued at current market prices well nobody trust their numbers.
For good reason Fear is justified when times are uncertain.
I blame Reverend Wright.
ding ding ding.
Their assets are all smoke and mirrors and leverage. The curtain just was pulled back and some of the kool aid drinkers are having to face the fact that these investment banks are snake oil operations.
BS is the tipping point. The collapse will come now. Helicopter Bernake and Paulson can’t do a thing. Both of them are part of the problem… they believed in “wall street’s” money from nothing meme.
I read I think in think progress but I can’t remember, the market mccain visited last trip is now unsafe for americans
who could have known?
Well, the way I see Bush as being an eternal optimist is no different than going to church each Sunday and having the pastor smiling his ass off when a few parishioners start questioning the bible. See? On the outside they’re smiling and saying things are fine, but inside, they’re struggling with the reality of it all!
Thanks, Scarecrow. There are couple of quotes that I want to call attention to.
First:
There was no “financial crisis” between the Great Depression and the end of WWII. So, why don’t he and his fellow economic commentators say “the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression”? The answer is that they fear that this one might top the Great Depression.
Second:
Why on earth did the Fed cut the rate on Sunday night, when they are going to cut it again on Tuesday? You cut interest rates to encourage borrowing. But nobody in their right mind will borrow on Monday when the rate is going down further on Tuesday. And wait til you hear how much further (h/t digby):
So on Sunday night the fed lowered their rate from 3.5% to 3.25% at a time when everybody expects them to lower it to 2.0% on Tuesday. WTF?
BS is the tipping point. The collapse will come now. Helicopter Bernake and Paulson can’t do a thing. Both of them are part of the problem… they believed in “wall street’s” money from nothing meme.
I bet Bush and Helicopter Ben thought that this bomb economy would detonate under a Democrats Presidency so that would be OK. (God knows I was worried about it)
People who plant bombs however do risk premature detonation:) Especially if God is watching!
Is there any place in Iraq that IS safe for Americans?
All the employee’s 401ks are worth less than toilet paper now… probably all in BS shares.
Giving shares as pension assets in 401k’s should be unlawful CASH ONLY.
where the FRIG are the democrats calling BULL CRAP on this president
as SOON as assign blame where it belongs the call for impeachment will ring DEAFENING
Apologies but this is a test, test on this end of the toobz
I just wrote the check for 100 gallons of #2 heating oil this morning. It was for $375.90. For someone working at Wal*Mart, that would be the amount of one week of work. It was reported today here in Maine that many Mainers are using scary ways to stay warm, you know, ways that could burn their homes down.
bush’s wife told us he slept fine in the face of american tragedy
he doesn’t blame himself he congratulates himself
he is a dispensationalist, a person who actually believe armageddon is a good thing and if he can cause it that makes him a messiah, a jesus christ
I am not kidding
his puppeteers are rober barons, they want to have and everyone else to have not
there is no remorse, no regrett, they are proud of this
Pretty clearly this is an attempt to prop up the markets in face of a $2/share sale of BSC. Equally clearly, so far at least, it ain’t working.
do you believe in heaven?
Good morning everyone. buckle up. I’ve updated the post to reflect a 3rd critical Fed action — opening it’s loan windows to the largest financial firms (non-banks). Last week, Bear Stearns got indirect access to Fed loans (using near worthless securities to receive US securities); this move says other struggling firms can also get loans, directly, if I read the NYT article correctly.
That’s our money now being offered to bail out the biggest Wall Street Firms. Are we in the process of nationalizing Wall Street, without admitting it?
off to work, see all later
and he also did this -
much more, including links at the wiki Great Depression page
a lot of peoples’ pensions, and a lot of communities’ bonds for things like schools are also getting clobbered.
Yeah. When the big D comes, then, maybe regular folks might get behind impeachment, but, if everyone gets kicked out of their homes, how will they make their voices heard? Without an address, can they, will they vote the creeps out?
I believe that hope is stronger than fear, but, me, I’m afeared.
The other way to get funds out of circulation is to raise taxes. (Oh, no!)
MBA = More Bushit Atty-tood
well, nationalizing wall street isn’t exactly the term
they are getting our money and they will still own wall street, it’s called externalizing their expenses, we are paying their rent and heating bill, that’s what this is
so we’ll all be feeling green today…
They are in a panic. There actions are governed by fear. I expect we will see some real crazy though if the stock market does not go up after the Fed meeting.
You asked, why cut the discount rate Sunday nite? Answer: they wanted to announce all these moves before the foreign markets opened, to stave off panic before US markets opened. That piece is in the Update link to NYT and perhaps other links.
Is that a real quote? If so, got a link?
I am not sure thats a good thing until we get another FDR.
I am only surprised this took so long
Yes indeed. But the difference between what the Fed is doing and nationalization is that we derive none of the benefits of nationalization, such as they are. It’s American Capitalism at its finest: Privatize the profits, socialize the risks.
money market accounts have Federal (FIDC) protection…most others do not…go to bankrate.com to find the best investment opportunities…and strategies…
only on the downside. i’d rather have them nationalizing the institutions they are bailing out.
I am ready for the task…but what to do?…I haven’t even begun to campaign
maybe 4 years from now then
Let us not forget that the person who arguably could be said to have done the most to root out corruption on Wall Street now is finished professionally because he hired a hooker. Who will document these crimes and prosecute them?
I better go to work, i can’t quit you guys
Alan Greenspan Worst Crisis Since WWII
Morning Joe quoted Greenspan this morning saying that…I’ll chase down a linky for ya…
I understand that and have nothing but sympathy for them. They have no choice. My ire is directed at individuals in a position to leverage their way into what they perceived as risk-free wealth. But we’re not gonna hear anything about the people whose pensions are tied up in 401(k) accounts, we’re gonna hear about the robber barons whose portfolios are now next to worthless. For them I have no sympathy at all.
that sums it up
Bingo!
How can Bear Stearns be worth $80 last Monday but only $2 by Sunday night?
When all of this washes out, look for the role leverage and hedge funds played in all of this.
Actually, there was a billionare who bought shares when BS was about $130, thinking it would go higher. Don’t know when he got out, but assume it’s not today.
it doesn’t sum up american capitolism, it sums up deregulation
regulation was put there to address the issues capitolism caused themselves, that’s why the very notion “regulation is bad” is rediculous
they refuse to pay their bills and THEN we regulate them into paying their bills
once in a while a regulation becomes counter productive for US and only then are we supposed to relax that regulation
i think this is wrong…. and is quite an important point. would you be willing to check it out? thanks.
Who Is Bear Stearns Investor Joe Lewis?
my 88 was in response to elliots’s 85
now I am definately going to work, you guys owe me an hour pay
Bilbo, Biodun: Classic. I’ve added a link, at the end of the Feldstein paragraph. Thanks.
Wonder what Andrea will have to say? “No one could have anticipated.”
While we are on the subject of nationalizing the economy an EPU from latelatenite
ThingsComeUndone March 17th, 2008 at 1:32 am
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I know Bush and Helicopter Ben will never collect on these funny loans to banks but have they thought this through?
A new administration GOP or Dem desperate for cash after the war debt Bush has left us might ask for an independent accounting of the value of the homes that the Federal Reserve accepted Mortgage paper on in exchange for government T-Bills.
Now unless home prices bounce back any such independent accounting will show that the home loans made when home prices were high do not have the same value as now.
So if a bank gave the Fed $100 dollars in mortgage loan debt today in return for $100 in government T-bills but the home is now worth only $90 dollars then things get interesting.
The Fed can and should ask for more collateral for its loans.
If the Fed gets 51% of the Banks assets then they defacto become the bank, leaving shareholders with only the 49% remaining of the banks assets.
Bush in effect is doing what Karl Marx only dreamed of…without freakin violence.
Bush has set up a chain of events that could Nationalize business ownership in the Government/People.
Or if the Fed never takes ownership and home prices never recoup the cost of the loans PLUS INTEREST then we get a Japanese style decade of bad economy and the Tax Payers get screwed.
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oh, and this is wonderfull
paulson actually says to save the markets not the dollar
in other words, american markets get trashed if the dollar collapses, but our exported markets should do just fine
what a friggin moron
hear ! hear !.
loosely related
about 6 weeks ago, Atrios in riffing on a Krugman column raised the very real possibility that city, county, and state governments ‘invested’ in this dross and like the Masters of the Financial Universe are sitting on it, not wanting to come out – resulting in bankruptcies near to mid term
unlike these folks who took charge
exactly.
except, of course, that ian, sterling and oldman did – years ago. it’s really a shame that all their writing on bopnews is no longer online.
I want to be your Fed Chairman!:)
Meanwhile US$ keeps tumbling, oil is going out of sight (W still hasn’t fugured out that his Arab buddies need to trade US$ for Euros in order to buy goods), and the real inflation is yet to com. Unfortunately, in these days of trickle down economics the pain Big Capital will suffer will quickly translate into a much bigger pain for workers/retirees/students than we have seen so far.
Thanks for the link Bilbo, I don’t get MSNBC
Scarecrow:
Here we go. From the NYTimes today:
My bold.
And that’s why we are in trouble. If these thieves had to deal with their own losses, then the market would actually be free and self-correcting. They know that they can play their games with no downside (to them) and so we are all screwed.
Money Market Accounts (with banks) are FDIC insured up to FDIC limits if the the bank is FDIC insured. Money Market Funds (run by investments houses and other financial entities other than banks) are NOT FDIC insured.
Just what drugs is he on?
Once again the Republican Party has given America another Herbert Hoover. The question is do the American people finally realize what a con game has been played on them by the purveyors of greed, self-righteousness, hypocrisy and xenophobia. I suspect that even when even more Americans are standing in soup lines, sleeping in their vehicles or on the top of steam grates, selling apples on the corner, they will be shouting “We’re still number one!” They have been so indoctrinated with the myth of American exceptionalism that no matter how bad it gets they lack the capacity for critical thinking to see the root cause for a nations ills.
This is very key to the who financial instrument myth.
There is rarely any value in any of the instruments which they use on the balance sheets.
It’s like writing a check to yourself and depositing it in YOUR account in the bank YOU own and then declaring how rich you are. Then you go lending, trading and leveraging this money and selling shares and driving up the share prices and so on and so on. It’s nothing more than a pnzi scheme. Everyone of those firms on Wall Street.
Even the instruments backed by real property – mortgages were completely over values because the real estate market collapsed.
Bubbles Greenspan and his wall street thieves did it.
And how sure are we the FDIC is solvent? I ask sincerely.
that’s the guy. He lost $1.2 billion? Whoa.
How is this going to be Bill Clinton’s fault?
“paulson actually says to save the markets not the dollar
in other words, american markets get trashed if the dollar collapses, but our exported markets should do just fine
what a friggin moron”
Who wants a Dollar denominated Stock if the Dollar keeps going down? Who trusts the markets if they have to be bailed out by T-Bills based on a dollar which is going down.
Paulson is rivaling Helicopter Ben and Bush for the title of King of the Morons!
Oh, I never said the FDIC was solvent. Seriously, it’s probably as solvent the the Treasury. Were the FDIC to renege on its bank insurance that would be the death knell for the entire US banking system.
We were at 70% I’m guessing we will pass 80% this week.
On the brighter side, for whatever reason, we’ve still got three people who want to be president.
My guess would be someone who’s interested in a Global Economy? Or is heavily invested in foreign stocks?
Explain how it is possible for a firm to be worth $150X one year ago and be worth $2X today?
What exactly was its worth based on?
Can we pass a rule on these “rescues” by the government that the robber barons have to put every cent of their net worth into the bail-out before one penny of government funds come in? Just dreaming, I know, but that is the only way to stop this behavior by these companies.
Whomever takes over should seize ALL the assets of the shareholders. But corporations make it possible to shield personal wealth.
The take it away and it’s very hard to make them give it back. Lovely system of accountability.
I can’t imagine why. No sane person would want to inherit this mess.
. . . let them eat paper
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Bear Stearns Cos Inc (BSC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Chairman Jimmy Cayne was playing cards in a tournament late last week while his company’s future appeared to be at risk, according a published report.
As the bank hammered out an emergency funding deal on Thursday with the Federal Reserve and JPMorgan Chase (JPM.N: Quote, Profile, Research), which resulted in Bear’s shares falling by as much as half, Cayne was playing in the North American Bridge Championship in Detroit, The Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site on Friday
h/t atrios
Per Greenspan:
So, the problem is that of discovering what the houses that back up that otherwise worthless paper are really worth, when they all glut the market at once and the invisible hand of supply v. demand takes over.
Meanwhile, Americans can no longer all get rich selling their homes to each other. We’re going to have to make our way in the world generating real goods and services. Oh no!
The system is gamed to insure that the robber barons and the ruling elites in politics and the media will be just fine. Everyone else, not so good. These aholes should be dragged out of bed to be held accountable for their crimes of ommission and commisssion.
Crap! does anyone have numbers on the amount of computerized sell orders that kick in automatically if a stock drops below a certain amount? Today was going to be interesting regardless but those sell programs could be a Joker in the Deck!
thanks for the clarification. more here from the FDIC.
W: “Paulson, Bernanke: Start printing more $. If I get my Saidi friends to buy more of these printed $ we’ll be out of the woods in no time.”
Seriously, W probably decided that his “Legacy” was not clear enough (two failed wars, almost 20% of the Country uninsured, investment banks failing right and left, Our reputation in the World destroyed, our US$ approaching Mexican peso strength, and all of his other “accomplishments”) so that leading our Country into hyper-inflation (like that seen in Brazil and Argentina in the 1980s) should pretty much cement his legacy so that no one can catch up to him: THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER AND FOREVER – no one could ever catch him, no matter how hard they try.
Now who would take joy in destroying US Economy?
Bin Laden
Castro
Chavez
Kim Jong-il
Putin
King Abdullah
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
and, oh I almost forgot! George W. Bush
Here’s a post in a post:
Remember when Bush vetoed (twice) the SCHIP bills that would have covered an additional 4 million children? He complained that the bills would have the government becoming two involved in the health insurance market. The bill allocated $35 billion.
Look at what Bernanke has done in the last week — allocating over 400 billion to bailout large investment firms; engineering the acquisition of one by another, and inserting itself into the management of its assets.
It’s time for the Dems to run the SCHIP bill at the WH again.
What shrub really needs now is a good distraction. Maybe beijing will oblige by shooting a few thousand of their own citizens (or the tibetans, by kidnapping the Olympic torch). Perhaps we can threaten to withhold food aid unless pyongyang obliges with another nuke test. Or rice might deliver her promised Latin-sponsored 9/11. Or we finally get that war with Iran shrub.
An unusually large portion of Bear’s value was based on mortgage backed securities. Given declining property values and increasing foreclosure numbers those securities are worth a lot less now. Worse, because of the way in which the mortgages been sliced and diced for sale (securitizing), it’s next to impossible to determine their actually current worth. So, JPM gets BSC at a bargain price and the Fed (ultimately the US Treasury and the taxpayers) take on the value risk of the mortgages.
Scarecrow:
Excellent post…
The $35B were over 5 years too!
that’s because the health of companies like bear stearns IS important. the health of kids? not so much.
And yet we have my favorite financial a-hole Larry Kudlow, on CNBC blathering on endlessly about fair and free markets one minute, then out the side of his neck comes “The govt. is doing what it should– providing a backstop to the banking system!”
Also known as “Socializing the Risks”.
Ya kids or banks that should have known better. If Bush says that we don’t have the money end the war. If Bush says government should not get involved then the Fed should stop bailing out loser banks.
We got the Jerk!
He’ll probably just go for a bike ride or head back to the brush ranch for some serious brush clearing. Mission Accomplished Again!
I remember watching M3 growing by leaps and bounds and in 2004 just after the second stolen election I told everyone I knew that a huge bailout was being prepared.
Then came the news that the Fed would no longer report M3 so that no one could follow when they injected money into the markets through the PPT allowing idiots like Cavuto and Kudlow to spread their lies about the resiliency of the market.
We deserve everything we’ve got coming to us for not making our concerns paramount to the Democratic leadership that has sold us out by converging on DC and making their lives miserable.
I’ve voted for my last Democrat. And if Hillary Clinton gets in it will be business as usual.
Nothing in that quote that would suggest Alan had anything to do with this. I’m so relieved.
I hope the Lake is ready the next few days could overload the site like an election day.
thought they put the brakes on those programs in the wake of Black Monday ‘87 although it’s quite likely I’m confusing them with something else :)
Greenspan gets it completely backwards here. Why would he not want “self-regulation” to be replaced by real regulation? It was the complete inability of these thieves to self-regulate that put us here!
Bush figures that he was smart enough to be born wealthy. If everyone else wasn’t, why should he bail them out?
My sister has some sell orders but thankfully no financial companies.
This is simply a market adjustment, the unseen hand doing its job. ;-)
Okay, the first returns from global markets are in, and it’s not promising:
And someone over at Calculated Risk observed this morning that the Fed’s backing of BS’s suspect MBS makes the sale to JPM possible without having to mark-to-market the MBS. I think everyone is very afraid to find out what this stuff is really worth.
Chimpy to make statement on economy
Bearn Stearns came on the scene before the slice and dice mortgage backed securities. They were supposedly worth 20Billion.
$20BB of what? All sub prime loans? Don’t believe it for a moment.
excellent point, Scarecrow…
well, that if anything, will certainly crash the stockmarket…
By allowing Glass-Steagall to be repealed and virtually eliminating controls over the financial instruments banks could handle.
Clinton was never a friend of anyone except the banks and Wall Street interests. He talked a good game but he pushed through every single thing the Rethugs never could….NAFTA, GATT, WTO, dismantling welfare so that when the idiot king got in and made Chapter 7 more difficult for people to qualify for they would become indentured to the banks and credit card companies.
You can’t get JPMorgan/Chase to lower your interest rate or waive some fees, but they’ll throw money at a dying concern.
And the big reason the GOP and conservatives are against immigration is because they know that when this economy is really in the shitter the former middle class white Americans are gonna be only to happy to revolt against the system unless there are jobs available. Send all those brown-skinned illegals back where they came from and voila!! jobs for Americans that they’d never have been forced to work at before.
They’ve been planning this for years. And ever since Nixon got in wayyyyy back 40 years ago, George Bush’s family fortunes began their steady climb upward. Bush Sr. was a nobody who had to have a district gerrymandered in order to get elected to Congress. But once Prescott’s protege Nixon got in, it all changed.
And we’ve been paying the price ever since.
Most of what these Investment banks sell is worthless IOUs and derivative hedges and bets. They’re not worth anything unless you agree that the emperor’s clothes are really fine of cloth made of gold.
I don’t believe it. Never did.
that’s so very reassuring
Greenspan gets it completely backwards here. Why would he not want “self-regulation” to be replaced by real regulation? It was the complete inability of these thieves to self-regulate that put us here!
I want government regulation. I want the government to check my cats food for Chinese *cough* food additives. I want the government to check every cow for mad cow, let alone dead cows and downer cows.
I want the president to say I will resign if their are no WMD.
I want the government to have a plan before we go to war. I want the government to make sure investments are safe.
In what world does 35 to 1 leverage of mortgage debt by the Carlyle group makes sense except to problem gamblers, and gullible bankers?
If Wall Stree continues to collapse, this needs to be pinned on the Rs and the Ds need to distance themselves from Wall Street.
Don’t look now, but Wall has been tossing big bucks at the dems to soften them up and buy their silence.
Ralph Nadar is right about these corporations and banks.
Capital won’t play when they are under scrutiny and accountable. You can’t steal when the people are watching.
Great everytime he talks the market goes down! Things are bad enough today we don’t need the Bush Effect too!
Another one? I thought he made a statement last week.
What’s really changed.
And, Good Morning Old Coastie.
did someone say Kudlow ?!?!? -
I want whatever he’s having -
Remain Calm, All Is Well !
‘morning Demi
;-)
link just said after his meeting at 9am. do think his statement will be at 10? this one i’m kinda interested in listening to.
Is he going to piss and moan about the House’s FISA bill?
The economy of the telecommunication industry or somesuch.
I’d love the be able to blame this on the Republicans, but, as Paul Krugman and others have cogently observed, this is the culmination of a process that began with Ronald Reagan and has continued, with varying degrees of urgency, ever since.
They are going to break the federal treasury!
Just a note here that the Big Demon in all of this is not necessarily the current Goof-in-the-House (Bush). I believe that a later full analysis of this world political and economic mess will reveal that the foundation for all of these consequences was laid by Richard Nixon, with his political tactic (the Southern Strategy and the Theory of the Unitary Executive) and with his ripping up of the Bretton Woods Agreement in 1971. Everything that has occurred in the last 35 years is a natural consequence of that.
Ripping up Bretton Woods, floating the dollar, and all of those other things essentially meant that the greatest amount of money to be made was NOT in the manufacture of real goods and services, but in the churning of financial instruments and the skimming off of profit at every cycle. The Southern Strategy meant that a small group of authoritarian thieves could gain and keep power by convincing the largest single group of Americans to continue to vote against their economic and political self-interest by “hatin’ the da*****” and “lovin’ th’ Lord.”
Note that Real Incomes and Quality of Life for the middle class peaked in about 72 – 74.
I’m off to my job.
Make a few nickels.
And, I’m damn grateful to have one.
Bush and Helicopter Ben are engaging in enabling behaviour for the problem gamblers on WallStreet. Enablers always keep helping trusting that this time they will learn.
But Greenspan seems adamant that we should not regulate the markets. He seems to want to keep gambling.
We have to stop him before he creates another bubble to get us out of this mess, like he created the housing bubble to save the economy last time!
Preview:
mr. martha and I have a side bet on how many points the market will drop during the first 30 seconds of his talk, 60 seconds etc. I know, we’re exceedingly immature and those point drops will affect our 401Ks, but today seems to be the day to exercise as much dark humor as we can muster…
Maybe we should start referring to self-regulation as “the honor system.” The paradox might immediately become apparent to the public.
yup!
have a good one – be careful driving! it’s DARK out there…
Obviously he wants it to get worse! Every time he speaks he makes it worse. Hear of King Midas? We’l here we have King Shitass – everything he touches tirns to shit. Now how can 30% of the population still believe he is a good President? (I didn’t believe it before and it seems like an impossibility now – just like “We believe in strong US$” statement they keep repeating.)
When was the last time Kudlow recommended a financial company?
Yet another spot on observation. This meltdown is exactly what happens when you get the “unfettered capitalism” these crooks want.
Don’t forget retroactive immunity – that’s critical too!
LOL. you’ve got him.
The point that they seem to be missing is that the intrinsic worth of the U.S. housing market is based on American workers’ ability to service debt. If workers’ wages aren’t going up, the intrinsic worth of workers’ housing isn’t going up, because it’s their wages that ultimately cover the cost, even if they pay in the form of rent.
I wonder if the WH understands that Bush’s out of touch statements to Wall Street last Friday is part of what is driving the fear. No one has confidence in his understanding of the problem, his ideological blinders, or his ability to work with Congress (assuming someone knew what to do). The best thing the WH could do is announce he will resign and a group of grownups will form a caretaker government.
Darkest before the dawn?
…bet your bottom dollar, that tomorrow, there’ll be sun…
wow! look at the Dow numbers drop!
Lawrence A. Kudlow, the outspoken chief economist of Bear, Stearns & Company, abruptly resigned yesterday.
Mr. Kudlow was a partner at the investment banking and securities firm and chairman of its investment policy committee. But he is as well known for other roles — as economic adviser to Gov. Christine Todd Whitman of New Jersey, pitchman for a New York regional organization of Cadillac dealers and supply-side tax cutter in the Reagan budget office — as for his economic forecasts.
The chairman of Bear, Stearns, Alan C. Greenberg, would not say whether Mr. Kudlow, who had been with the firm eight years, had been forced out. But the firm’s press release conveyed that impression nonetheless. “Bear, Stearns and Lawrence Kudlow have agreed that it is in Mr. Kudlow’s best interest to resign from the firm,” the statement said. To Join National Review
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f…..A962958260
Is Reaganomics now dead?
off to work – everybody hang in there today…
It’s wonderful that the D prez candidates are providing so much leadership in this financial crisis. /snark
Oh, Gawd… I thought you were joking until I read the Times article. Sometimes teh jokes, they just write themselves…
What OldCoastie and Demi said. Gotta show up if I want to keep my low wage job. At least I’ve got one.
Down 370.91 (3.05%) near the open. It’s so bad that the it didn’t even show on the Google Finance Graph because the graph was scaled too narrowly! The US Markets appear to be regaining some of their initial losses however, at least for now.
Well, they’re being forced to deal with what their pastors said, or what their campaign surrogates said. Today, I hope, will refocus the media’s attention.
Same here. I thought that was pretty good snark for this time of the morning. Colour me suprised.
What do you want to bet the Stock Market will go down so much today that they will stop trading?
Yes!
CNN reporting Dow now down “only” 140-150; oil price dropping; gold pricing falling. These are hopeful signs — not evidence of panic — yet.
Is neoconservatism? I’m afraid it takes a silver stake through all of our hearts.
Hi eCAHNomics do you know why Kudlow quit Bear Stearns?
You can watch the numbers here
Over at Market Watch we have:
Think somebody agrees with you!
No – Reaganomics said that two diverging lines could cross in the future and Bush is trying to prove it right!
Perhaps we all underestimate W: This may be the smartest fix to the immigration problem that nobody had thought of. Once the US$ is weaker than the Mexican peso it will be US workers illegally crossing into Mexico and not the other way around. We will all have to admit to his genius!
Yup, not as bad as it could have been, that’s for sure. Some of the foreign markets fared much worse (Hong Kong down 5%, I think?). We’ll have to see what the rest of the day has in store for us.
i agree. but i don’t see many of them (the grownups) around.
The cure for wall street is some severe sanctioning as regulation and the dems are too skeered to advocate the take donn F R E E markets.
You don’t mess with “freedom”.
I’ve read that the Fed is preparing their emergency plans, which include closing all banks for five days.
It probably won’t crash all at once today. I’m thinking that it will crash over the entire week, as more economic indicators come out, more information of the bailout comes out, and the dollar will tank first.
Is neoconservatism? I’m afraid it takes a silver stake through all of our hearts.
Don’t worry there plenty of Pissed Off Vodoo priests in New Orleans who have experience with the Undead. Although after today only the Undead could be expected to survive in politics.
Bush being brain dead and Cheney a heart donor however are honorary UnDead though:)
My greatest fear is that we don’t know who the grownups are.
I’ve heard rumors of Bank Holidays too, but have never seen anything official. Do you have a cite for this?
Did you ever hear a D rail against the invisible hand of the market solving problems?
They groove on Wall Street. Don’t they?
Why are there no oversight hearings on this? Where is the outrage in Congress? They went crazy when they bailed out the airlines after 9/11, which I think was for 2 Billion – much less than this. Why are there no hearings from the people who were supposed to be watching these shaky loans, but obviously turned a blind eye? What’s going on here? If Bush isn’t going to do anything to save the dollar, Congress should.
I only know what I read in the papers. The announcement seems clear enough.
Good site
Because the Dems don’t know what to do that looks like capitalism.
Regulation and socialism are “off the table” so they are content to see the thing crash and figure out what to do when the dust settles.
Cowards.
I read it late last night. I think they referred to CNBC, but it was late.
ok, when the talk moves to bank holidays (and 5 days worth?!), that’s my “wtf?” moment. are you serious?
Has anyone mentioned the Ides of March? (I realize that it was Saturday, but that’s the weekend!)
What has has kept things from total collapse now are the reforms put in place by a liberal Democratic President, namely FDR. Modern Democrats should be trumpeting that. Too bad they are too busy triangulating or something.
The view from The Guardian
“Ultimately, though, action will be taken because there will be political pressure for it. Indeed, it is somewhat surprising that there is not already rioting in the streets, given the gigantic fraud perpetrated by the financial elite at the expense of ordinary Americans.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi……useconomy
I think dear leader and his puppet masters are in over their heads. Silly people, Bailouts for banks!
OK, now watching Cheney say “We’re making significant progress in Iraq.” Thank goodness! I was worried.
Oops, switching to Bush: “Our economy is in good shape, and our capital markets continue to operate efficiently.”
Phew!
It’s a long weekend this weekend. Bad things always happen right after long bank holidays.
This is a lot of Bush fruit beginning to rot and fall off the trees. Trees are OK, but things will smell for quite a while. Hang in there.
I see that Cheney continues to distract from our real problems while inventing new ones. He stopped in Iraq, as a coinkydink, at the same time McBush, GrahamaCracker and Kneepads Lieberman, assuring the natives that “we” will support them to their last man. A pledge he knows he has cannot fulfill and which, if taken seriously, would add to local resentment and heighten chaos.
Bush is more harmful than Hoover: a) Cheney is really president; he is more radical and zero empathy for his fellow man; b) we know less about him and his decisions than we do about Bush; and c) it’s more like 1936, not 1932, and Hoover’s still in office.
So, yes, we need the leading Democratic contenders to start leading as if they were president, but deftly. That both are Senators helps. Articulate what we face NOW, while it’s clear even to an unobservant public that Bush and Cheney are in office and many things can be laid at their feet. Why things happen is essential to crafting fixes for them. Can the crap about “looking forward, not behaind us”.
Start working on those fixes; you’ll be the one to implement them. They will be painful – and we need to know why and what we hope to end up with by enduring the pain. Spell it out, including what we can’t know. Any fixes that correctly place the costs will be ruthlessly fought, because that will put them at the feet of those who’ve most profited from Bush putting his name on the store front and then sauntering off to play.
“We come to bury Bush, not to praise him.”
Those words would inspire this nation.
Credit Market Losses – Systemic Crisis Much Deeper Than Bear Stearns’ Collapse
has this,
but it’s clearly sheer speculation. Given the current direction of the markets (up), I think it’s not likely right now. I plan to keep a decent amount of cash on hand in the days ahead however.
watch the numbers:
http://www.dowjones.com
I wouldn’t put all that much faith in the FDIC. It’s like mortgage insurance against defaults, only good if you don’t need it.
Anyone here thinking of going to bank and taking money out? I have to say, it crossed my mind.
I wonder if the stockmarket will be lower when Bush leaves office than when he became President.
It all makes a reasonable person think that cutting taxes is not the magic solution to all economic problems the Republics claim that it is. Unfortunately, McCain still echoes Republic dogma on taxes.
BREAKING from the NYTimes:
Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Monday, March 17, 2008 — 9:35 AM ET
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BREAKING NEWS (MSNBC): Bush says administration is ‘on top of the situation’ in dealing with the economy.
Everyone can relax now.
Mrs. Bilbo and I did that yesterday. Not a huge amount, mind you, but enough to see us through a week or two, even without credit cards. I saw this as a low-cost precaution, given the BSC news.
No legacy could be complete without achieveing something that no President could do since the Depression – he’s created a time machine! We are going back 80 years and watching the Economy fall apart before our very eyes.
thanks for the quote.
i’m much more concerned about solvency than liquidity.
Not an analogy, countrymen, I would carry too far, considering what happened before Shakespeare’s Brutus spoke those words; not helpful, I think, in persuading Big Brother not to lend us his ear.
Yes, that’s our thought as well. They always say to have some cash in an emergency fund anyway (power outage due to bad storms, earthquake, etc.) so, it makes sense.
And you thought he was just kidding…
Bush: ‘Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over’
Excellent analysis and plan. They should do exactly as you suggest. Will Hill and Barack take heed?
if this thinking becomes widespread (and i’m not saying you’re wrong to think it), then one must consider, i think, the possibility of a bank run.
Thank God we have a free press…
…even if it is the BBC: Tent cities spring up in LA.
That’s a good point. How can there be any solvency with the deficit and deficit spending, tax cuts for the rich, bailouts for the rich, golden parachutes… There is no solvency.
I am not making this up
Maj General Robert Allardice is talking about the advances being made in the Iraqi Air Force
CSPAN 1
OK gang. New thread up. I’m late for my morning walk. So I’m outta here for an hour or so. Will see what’s happening when I get back. Ciao.
Relax, Larry Kudlow says everything is fine.
-G
in my dreams i’d love to see senator clinton and obama get together and make a joint proposal. really, their policy preferences seem quite similar – it ought to be possible to craft an alternative to the bush plan.
Congress would be wise to calmly confirm, in a very low key fashion, that the FDIC will have whatever funds are necessary to fulfill its obligations. Ditto related insurance functions. Anyone hear what tune Bush is fiddling while Baghdad and Wall Street burn? Or is he still reading his autobiography, My Pet Goat.
Thank you Scarecrow
How long can people stay confident with this news all over everything? Everybody is yelling “crisis” and, despite what Bush and Bernake do, most people don’t think it’s helping. The dollar is tanking, and they don’t seem to care.
I don’t think we’re close to this, yet. If you have stocks/mutual funds, the economists in the blogs have been saying it’s wise to move them (last month) to the least risky investment choices you have, including money market funds or cash. But your personal bank accounts at your local bank are not at present at risk.
Other common advice I’ve seen.
Keep your jobs.
Cut your expenses.
Pay down your debts (e.g., credit cards)
But don’t panic.
agreed.
Have no fear…
This whole sub prime thing started under the Clintons and Greenspan
It’s all Clinton’s fault.
Bush also said the US financial institutions and system are sound, which everyone knows is not true. He was reading from a statement, and then seemed to ad lib this part — this is not what you want the President doing. Put a muzzle on this guy.
I sure was waiting for it: but, but Clinton …
isn’t that, thank god the Brits have a free press?
Adam Smith: “Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice: all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things.”
Adam Smith, beloved icon of the right, was a peacenik.
He should stick to tap dancing.
I would say that President Bush is having a Katrina-like response to this. Heckuva job Bernie!
do you think that clinton’s economic policies (especially wrt deregulation and trade) have no bearing on today’s situation at all?
serious question.
Poppy Bush brought in Greenpud. Clinton re-upped his saggy ass.
-G
Look who’s buying again…J.P.Morgan!
Check that, Reagan brought in Greenspin.
-G
The trouble with guaranteeing the FDIC and everything else in sight is that with deficits as far as the eye can see, any guarantee, including those made by the Fed, are satisfied by printing money. We’ve been doing that quite a while and things hung together, much longer than I, for one, thought possible. So I’m not the best prophet in the world. It still seems to me printing money is not sustainable indefinitely. As I said, I have been wrong before.
from over at reddit, a comment on this article about Bush as Hoover
by zacdenver:
“Yep — half Herbert and half J. Edgar…”
Per Jerome a Paris:
Good advise and oh yeah. Email, Fax or call yer CongressCritter and give a piece of our mind. Like,
hope you will see this…. just wanted to say that when i’d calmed down i re-read a thread from yesterday (i’m sure you know which one i mean) and thought you had an interesting take @121 on the greater mess we find ourselves in. checked out your blog, but didn’t see a any posts expanding on that theme. hope you will take it up.
It needs to Cheney and Bush not just Bush…
Thanks for the feedback. I had planned to do something.
Not the most popular subject….heh….
But a post allows me to scatter lots of links around which makes it harder for the Committee of Four to suppress the message.
Who are the Committee of Four? Stay tuned.
Well, at least the Fed is covering for the fund and bank managers so that they don’t have to face financial ruin. Financial ruin, afterall, is ONLY for the little people you know. Super rich Wallstreeters are just special and MUST NOT be forced to suffer for their criminality, their greed, or their simple lying.
Oh, and we mustn’t regulate funds and banks! No no no, that wouldn’t do at all! How else would the super rich be able to steal from the Treasury without any cost on their part? Privatize the profits but socialize the costs of failure. The little people (suckers) who pay taxes get to bail out the fuckers on Wallstreet so that they don’t have to give up a single mansion, a single yacht, or a single private jet.
We actually should listen to the organization The Concord Coalition. This group was found by Tsongas (D) and Rudman (R) who were concerned about our 20+ year forcast and worked with endless effort to balance the federal budget and travel the country to speak to citizens about personal fiscal responsibility balanced with governmental fiscal responsibility. This group has been trying to educate the public about this economic crisis possibility for a LONG time.
I think the Presidential candidate who brings them on in an advisory capacity will be the most wise and the FDR candidate.
I recommend their website:
http://www.concordcoalition.org/
I recommend their NYT’s ad they ran. Posted as PDF under “Highlights” at the bottom.
The US is run by the Fed which is a privately held bank.
We need to get rid of the Fed.
Hoover started a war?
This is scary stuff. Of course, we ought to hear how the candidates would respond to this crisis, in real time, and not hear so much about ties to preachers with incendiary rhetoric (about which I could care less).
Yes, Hoover DID start a war…against WWI veterans camped out on the Mall, I believe.
At least he won that one.
MBA’s a really a laughable degree. They basically are given to fund other programs. The only folks that respect MBAs are the ones that have them. Believe me, graduate school business faculty consider MBA degrees to just be an extended undergraduate degrees and executive MBAs hardly worth an undergraduate degree. We don’t teach MBA students on the same level we even teach majors in any undergraduate degree program. I teach macroeconomics and finance. I use far less calculus and theory with MBA students. They’re basically folks without serious business degrees that need to pad their resumes.
I guess starving the beast has unintended consequences. Norquist could have just asked Sod, or Murphy; they know the law. Except that neither he nor Bush or Cheney care so long as they get theirs. A character trait that I think will be readily apparent as these bail-outs for the rich continue. I guess prices in the Hamptons won’t come down as much as those in Syracuse.
Sadly, our FDR was eliminated after finishing third in the South Carolina primary.
Yup. My grandfather was a Bonus Marcher.
Congress wouldn’t allow Bush to give our SS funds to wall street.
The Prez is getting his way after all.
Good synopsis and commentary by Krugman today. It will be a bail-out, despite Bushian distractions to the contrary; it will be very expensive, more so than the S&L bail-out; and it may bail out exactly the wrong players, those who got us into this fine mess and who should be allowed to dangle in the wind like a credit card debtor half an hour late on a payment.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03…..ref=slogin
He always says it so succinctly. Love when he gets wonky on his blog.
Krugman ends with advice Obama and Clinton should be echoing:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03…..ref=slogin
unfettered capitalism is a myth … what we have is a bunch of whiny a$$ business men who pay congress to give them monopolies. they can’t cope with the real thing …
Really good point that one … they could transfer some of the assets to Freddie MAC and ncourage them to renegotiate the loans based on some kind of subsidies. Problem is most of the banks still don’t even know which of these loans are actually bad because they bought the credit derivatives to remove the risk and it’s very tough chasing down the owners of those things …
Derivatives have to be severely regulated. There are all sorts of bizarro financial instruments which wall street created to be traded for fees.
In addition the fractional lending system must be ended and banks need to have 100% reserve, not 10%.
I think that’s why Krugman describes this as a solvency crisis – do liabilities exceed assets – rather than a liquidity crisis – is cash coming in adequate to make payments on time. Which is why, I presume, K was dismissive that the Fed injecting the equivalent of cash (liquidity) into the market would mitigate this crisis.
Yours is a good point I think Krugman has also made: currently solvent and/or well-managed firms – the potential white knights who would take over failures and keep the industry going relatively smoothly – are few and can’t assess the solvency of big-time players they might lend to (or buy).
I gather the Fed dealt with that in the BS deal by giving JPM guarantees, in effect, making good – JPM’s favor – $30 billion of BS’s losses with taxpayer’s money. Bernanke can only do so much of that socialist corporatefare before he needs to come back to Congress, hat in hand, and beg for more money. Congress ought to start hearings now in order to consider what it ought to do before it does it. Thankfully, an election is coming, which gives progressives slightly more voice than they’ve had in the past seven years.
IMHO, the BS deal is a bad template: it bailed out the baddies. Taxpayers should object to that, and say it in the ballot box.
That is the pithiest and best assessment I’ve heard of our situation. You are exactly right. It’s just faith-based economics.
You wouldn’t have banking if there was a 100% reserve requirement, besides this isn’t a banking crisis per se. The problem is with asset managment financial institutions. Derivatives have been used successfully for awhile also. However, since Bushco have taken a complete handsoff approach, we’ve seen absolutely no policing of new instruments and since they got rid of glass-stegall, there has been increasing market concentration of investment banking and brokerage firms. This is ALWAYS a bad thing because concentration of holdings in a few hands means if one guy goes down, he takes a good portion of the market. We can’t continue confusing capitalism with out and out monopoly and market control. Free markets are not monopolies that are free to eliminate their competitors by out-lobbying economics-stupid congress. We need government to pay attention to the man behind the curtain. The republicans basically look the other way.
Well, my hope is that part of the BS deal, is to publicly tar and feather the senior management and ride them down wall streets hog-tied. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of things tied up in the Putnam group, one of their subsidiaries, that would severely hurt a lot of ordinary savers. I’m less concerned about hedge fund holders and the investment banking arm. Their biggest asset is the Putnam funds … this is what JP Morgan wants … believe me.
Agree, but not an American phenomenon. What may be uniquely American, is our willingness to pretend it isn’t so, just as we imagine – thanks in large part to our early schooling – that we are and are perceived by others as a disinterested force for good in our international/economic relations. The French and English admit to being monopolistic, imperialist bastards on occasion, as long as they make money at it.
And, times are always uncertain!
Oh, we clarified that long ago. It’s the Vast Right-Wing conspiracy and Bush is their public face.
But, that doesn’t mean it’s of any use to continually pound him. There are bigger problems important to real people which have to be dealt with.
However, that said, it would be nice to have this administration kicked about before it walks out 1/20/09. If we don’t punish them some way or other, then we’re just begging for somebody else to do it in the future and we’re essentially accepting what they did in our names. We must punish them somehow.
If we had properly regulated (including slapping Bill Clinton’s hand for the Banking Modernization Act) we might have avoided this and any major recession/depression which will hurt so many people.
Liberal regulation to prevent bad things doesn’t prevent good business activities.