If you wondered how the nation's mainstream media would ensure that racism and religious militarism influence the next election, just watch MSNBC and ABC stage endless faintings about "Obama's pastor problem." America's DC pundits are bullying a black candidate while making racist attacks on black pastors and churches, thinly disguising them as a defense of American civility and patriotism.
MSNBC spent Friday evening's political commentary probing the adequacy of Obama's renunciation of statements made by his Pastor Jeremy Wright, including those following 9/11. Obama has categorically rejected those sentiments, but that will not stop the Republicans and Fox News from replaying Wright's comments to maliciously brand Obama as secretly anti-white and anti-American. But MSNBC was hardly better, running the headline banner, "Obama's Pastor Problem" throughout the discussion.
Let us be clear. Barack Obama does not have a "pastor problem." There is a problem, but it's being framed as "Obama's Pastor Problem" only because he lives in a country whose irresponsible media pretends that America does not have a "racism problem" and a "religiously driven militarism problem" neither of which can be honestly discussed in a Presidential campaign because we have a "corrupt media problem."
As expected, Fox News obsessed over Reverend Wright , but ABC and ABC's This Week, were not to be outdone. And who better to pontificate on what constitutes acceptable political speech by black pastors than the self-righteous team of Ruth Marcus, George Will and Mark Halperin, arrayed against the ever polite Donna Brazile. You can guess the rest.
Will asserted that Obama was probably lying because Will knows that anyone who sits in a black church will hear unpatriotic, un-American views. Halperin announced the litmus test for Presidential eligibility that if it can be proved that Obama personally heard views that might offend George Will, then Obama is [black] toast. When Donna Brazile tried to explain to her white panelists that it's not unusual for black ministers to preach against the evils of racism and militarism in America, George Stephanopoulus ignored her and ask whether Obama should condemn Wright even further. Ms. Marcus happily added that he should.
NBC's Meet the Press then repeated this sorry spectacle, with David Broder wondering why Obama didn't do a better job of selecting a black church. Couldn't Obama have found an "acceptable" black church whose paster refrained from uttering statements that David Broder would find offensive? Heavens, isn't it obvious that all potential Presidential candidates should clear their religious affiliations with the Dean of Washington morality? What was Obama thinking?
And just as Brazile was unable to be heard by her all white panelists at ABC, so NPR's Michele Norris (yep, similar pattern: 3 white men; one non-white woman) could not make the same point about black churces to the hear-no-evil, speak-no-evil team of Tim Russert, David Gregory and Broder.
Washington's self-appointed elite punditry is suffering from a severe case of historical obtuseness and amnesia. They've forgotten that we fought a civil war because black people were kidnapped, kept and sold as slaves, and that the hatred about that conflict and it's aftermath still manifests itself nearly 150 years later. Our arbiters of civil discourse cannot recall that white Americans lynched black Americans for decades, and nooses still show up every week; that Jim Crow was the law in much of the nation; that whites murdered Martin Luther King, Medgar Evers, and dozens of others. It just slipped their minds that even today blacks have been systematically denied equal protection and opportunity, including the right to vote, and that the Republican Party still uses every ruse to disenfranchise blacks, while Bush appoints to the Federal Election Commission a man who specialized in such crimes while holding a key position in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division.
It does not seem to have occurred to the white DC pundit class that blacks have every right to be angry at America -- and that condemning them for this anger is racist. Black and white pastors have every right to preach against these evils, even as they preach the Christian gospel of forgiveness and redemption. They carry an obligation to make sure this history is understood, contrasted against one's moral/religious beliefs and against official denials and proclamations of piety, and not forgotten.
And they are justified in preaching against the militarism that has seen far too many blacks, whites and others killed and to rail against the jingoism and false patriotism that condone aggressive wars, torture, killing civilians as "collateral damage," and worse. Pastors should denounce the religious fanaticism, bigotry and hatred preached by John Hagee and his fellow right-wing extremists, men whose screeds openly call for religious wars/crusades against Islamic nations and Islam itself, or who advocate for holy wars because they are deluded into thinking killing other people leads to personal salvation. If our religious leaders are not damning America for enabling these moral failings, why not? We all should.
To be continued . . .
More: New pastor defends Wright against attacks. For more on Wright vs Hagee, see Archpundit; Media Matters here and here.
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This is pre-emptive strategy, when Obama is the candidate, how do you suppose they will address the inevitable racism it will spawn?
By pointing back at these stories, all conveniently categorized into perfect little soundbites of selective rhetoric.
This is nothing more or less than part of the wingnut strategy, they are changing the way the pieces are moved on the chessboard, while the rest of us are still learning how to play chess.
MSM, by order of their corporate masters are trying to make race the issue. There is no way in hell the goopers (including gooper lites) can beat obama on the war issue or in fact the economy so they will try to destroy him in any way they can. It is fucking sick.
Hi Scarecrow.
Fuckin A crow, tell it.
I’ll take chance. Zed.
With the cooperation of HRC.
If ya got time to watch a video or two, check out this link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....352/477632
One is of Obama’s CURRENT Pastor, and he’s very impressive in this clip. There’s also another member of Trinity who happens to be (gasp!) a white woman. Seems like a really cool place.
Scarecrow,
This is one of your best. Thanks for your efforts.
You have hit the nail on the head!
Where was the outrage when presidents had the backing of the like of Falwell? Where was the outrage? but to hold someone accountable for what their pastor/preacher/minister/rabbi/priest says is ridiculous. There have been times when my pastor (who is conservative) would say stuff that made me shit uncomfortably in my seat and think, no he did not just say that.
Yup.
Great post Scarecrow!!
This whole thing makes me sick. They are crowning McLobby right before our very eyes. We can’t let that happen again! Hagee’s remarks are vile.
Thank You!
The media are not being racist. They just have serious concerns about
those peoplesome viewschallenging the Southern way of lifeat variance withwhiteAmerican values. What could be more benign?And the DLC…
It is sad that they would take this man’s career and reduce it to these small 15 and 30 second soundbites. The outrage? He said God Damn America. Sorry but when war is being aged in my name, when we are letting our citizens drown and have forgotten them, on and on, I have said it.
digg early digg often
Meanwhile the pundits don’t read their own Bibles….The sins of the fathers shall be visited on the heads of their descendent’s for seven generations. I hated that verse when I thought it was prescriptive, but have come to believe it now that I see it as descriptive. Unless there is grace and reconciliation, the vestigal effects of brutality continue on and on.
It is interesting to watch my husband’s family, of Jewish descent with no visible interaction with Jewish culture, religion, or identified Jewish people for two generations. There are certain ways one must do things and one must not do things, but the children are hard pressed to say why and are nonplussed to see the connection to Jewish ritual and practice.
Now, think of the traumas visited on the heads of people walking around us, much less their parents, grandparents, and great grandparents. Even without telling the children the whys and the wherefores, they are living in a society that is overall, mostly unrepentant about the traumas and the horrors.
Tut, tut, dare these people complain? dare they show anger?
I have to disagree with the Southern part, not that it’s not true but it sure isn’t geographic.
I think that the Wall Street crashing down story is sweeping this pastor story into the dustbin.
Exactly. That’s what’s troubling about this now. Doesn’t seem to me to “prepare” Obama for the Repube attacks at all, since it is damaging him…
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk.....y_wrig.php
…and he can’t fight back against a fellow Dem (supposedly) in the same ways he can against the Noize Machine. This all hurting our chances for Nov, and continued support of The Clintons fuels it.
We need to hit back with sound bites of Haggee and Paisley. both of them get are equally loud even angry sounding…but wait, (they’re white)
sadly, you are correct
That was code for Jim Crow in the 50s and early 60s IIRC.
right on! Scarecrow
Anybody happen to catch the piece called “Black Magic” on ESPN last night? It was the first of two parts about apartheid in basketball. It had some incredibly articulate retired B-ball players on. The injustice of it all made me say “God damn America” over and over.
I’m with ya, it’s just that being from Chicago and having lived in Georgia for 20+ years I see little difference.
I agree.
Oh no, we can’t talk about eeewwwwww sports here!
And where is the noise about McSame’s campaign finance problems and Hillary’s all-but refusal to release schedules and tax records. The latter issues are serious, whereas all this guilt by association is just a pile of very smelly shit.
What a dipshit. Truly one of the many perfect poster children for birth control
You’re right, as usual, Hugh. I’ll rewrite the entire post. Heh.
and god’s on their side
Actually forms of jim Crow laws began after the civil war and the passing of the 13th amendment andlet’s not forget the re-enslavement of blacks via sharecropping
yeah, God is white too
I made the move in the other direction from Kentucky to Illinois and I saw little difference either.
Down by the Green River
Where Paradise Lay
Lehman Bros. taking a big hit today…down $14
It’s just disspiriting to see this country moving backwards on so many issues, human rights, religious tolerance, and racism. So many attitudes that people would have been embarrassed to voice in public only a few years ago now get blared over the media as a public service.
It is a stench that permeates our entire country and the mindsets (or lack thereof) of many.
Disgusting, it is.
From Kentucky and lived all over and I agree. I had a couple of black roommates as a GI in Hawaii and the biggest difference for them was that in the south it was a tad bit more upfront than in the north (one was from Chicago and one from somewhere in Maryland).
Germany 1930’s…
How bout them Dawgs!
Had a rare occasion to watch some of the Sunday shows yesterday, and heard Leon Panetta say something that struck me rather oddly on Face The Schieffer. He described the Dem race between “a woman and a black.” There wasn’t anything else…just “a black.” Is it just me or isn’t that worthy of some clarification?
Yup!!!
dispiriting?
profound depression is more like it
How bout a damsel and a soul brother?
There was a woman on one of the CSPANs (I think) yesterday who was doing a nice job of putting some of the black preacher rhetoric into context. For example, she paired up the inflammatory statements on AIDS with the Tuskeegee experiments, when the govt really did experiment on black men, by giving them syphilis. I didn’t watch it for long, but it certainly gave me a different perspective. Obama should do more of that kind of educating. It’s not sufficient to denounce it.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I started getting e-mails from a right-wing acquaintance several months ago about Obama’s ‘pastor problem’. I deleted it naturally, but it was all about how Wright is a black racist, Black Nationalist radical anti-American who would help Obama usher in “Islamofascism”.
FWIW, I agree with everything Wright said and wish Obama had gotten up on teevee and raised his fist and yelled “BLACK POWER!!!”. But that’s just me.
It was interesting watching the John Adams series last night. In one of the scenes, an agent for the Crown — the guy who’s supposed to collect the tax on tea in Boston — gets literally tarred and feathered, a torture horrifying scene, and John Adams is appalled by the lawless brutality of the mob. We’re much more civilized now, I keep reminding myself.
Just listened to some idiots on one channel or another saying that the stock market is OK it will drop but go back up again and then he said “people under 55 should surely leave their money in their (referring to IRAs etc.). Well bloody lovely and what do people, like me, well over 55 do. piss up a rope?
This by Frank Schaeffer puts the comments by black pastors into excellent perspective: http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpo.....sKTr.s0NUE
What we need is a new generation to take over on TV. I don’t know many young people who have the problems with people of color and women that “us” older folks seem to have.
How about 2 people still vying for the nommination?
Ah, that’s better.
BTW, saw this vid the other day and it needs to get to Pelosi. This is how we do it:
Soul ‘Em Outta Their Holes!
I’m thinking you might have meant “shift uncomfortably in my seat.” Otherwise, I know what they mean by |”sitting alone in your pew.”
And this will sell detergent how?
ugh…here’s the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMSEI-bJ09E
Amen to that. I watched ABC and MTP on Sunday. I wanted to throw up. I kept yelling at the TV. It’s a good thing I have only me and my poor pooch. She hid in the closet to get away from my eruptions. LOL
I never watch Fox and the others…just MSNBC, and I can tell you: they were relentless replaying that tape again and again and again and again….
He’s an interesting guy, I’ve been in contact with him since he and his son, a Marine, wrote a couple of books.
Patterson part way through Inaugural address on cspan1, funny guy too.
Of course they were, this is not surprising.
was it Michelle Bernard of the Independent Women’s Forum this morning? She runs a pretty conservative group but on this she was making a whole lot of sense.
Thank you. I needed that. Now I can get on with my day. (She says with tears rolling down her cheeks.)
scarecrow says-” Pastors should denounce the religious fanaticism, bigotry and hatred preached by John Hagee and his fellow right-wing extremists, men whose screeds openly call for religious wars/crusades against Islamic nations and Islam itself, or who advocate for holy wars because they are deluded into thinking killing other people leads to personal salvation.”
but scarecrow, THESE people are on the axis of evil……..the president said it was ok to annihilate them……..
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scarecrow says-”It does not seem to have occurred to the white DC pundit class that blacks have every right to be angry at America — and that condemning them for this anger is racist. ”
i would add suppression at the end of that——-suppression has become a habit…….as is discounting someone, taking away their right to complain or express their view of their situation.
treating them as irrelevant.
dc pundits have this down to an art form.
Excellent. I was not familiar with him or his work, but he sure nailed the perspective on this black-pastor nonsense.
The whole militant, black preacher thing is the Pukes completely desperate attempts to seed the idea that Obama is somehow Farrakhan in disguise, and that if he gets elected he will take revenge on white America….bugga, bugga.
The truth is the Neocons have used the Pukes’ evangelicals to destroy America. It is Orwellian, the media is complicit, and we are in the most dangerous period in our history.
The counter to all of this is to keep pointing out what kind of people these Neocons are. They have destroyed the economy, lied us into war, they are ruining the environment, stealing taxpayer money, torturing people, and spying on Americans. We need to keep pounding on their failures. The most dangerous thing right now is that if the economy is suddenly deemed as a national emergency by W, he can cancel the elections.
We can’t let them get away with this! Don’t play into their traps.
They did get themselves on a run, that’s for sure. What are they now, a 14 seed? I think that’s far and away the lowest I’ve ever seen an SEC team. Hopefully, for their sake, the powers that be in Athens have enough sense to keep Felton on as the head coach.
Forgive me but that’s just nonsense.
We HAVE a new generation on TV - David “I pimp-with Karl” Gregory, the cute female republican of the week, of any race, the young (er) guy spewing right-wing hate (Glen Beck). Nancy “I lied about my tragedy: Grace.
The problem isn’t the generation, the problem is “de Money!”
On the other hand, here’s a guy who, while not in “da media,” seems to get it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3UdmEC540qc
You should get wise to his music, too.
LOL!!!! That’s all? I guess that just about wraps it up, doesn’t it? A woman, a bakc, and a white man…that’s WTF it’s all about isn’t it?
My individual stocks are down close to 30% in the past 6 months, and my IRAs are down about 10% (the latter only because my distributions were about as conservative as I could make them, or my losses there would be even worse). It would not surprise me to see my holdings decimated (reduced by 90%) before long. They are tryin’ to keep the lid on just how how the circumstances are.
Might have been her. Thanks. I couldn’t remember when I heard it.
you didn’t know? blacks don’t get any more clarification than that. they are a monolithic mass
I frankly have never seen such and effort. To play 2 games in one day, one against a team that had not played, and then beat the Hogs then next day! And that is with seven scholarship players.
I was on foxnews.com yesterday and saw Wright’s picture on the main story page. Next to it was Obama. The big lettering ‘GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION’ and a video clip was available for people to see what Wright was preaching about.
Firstly, Wright is kinda outta line in the clip. But his target audience was different, and his message was not meant for a national audience. So, I knew it was going to upset a lot of people. It was going to make people who support Obama (through association with Wright) appear to be race apologists.
I thought Fox News was absurd in it’s angle here. Firstly, because I’ve never ever seen any pastor’s video clip ever used before this time. And this is the best clip they’ve got of him, apparently (not too offensive, but definately red meat for the red base).
Secondly, because Fox and others have no point to mention some of the right wing pastor’s inflamed messages of anti-islam, anti-gay, anti-democratic, pro-war rah rah rah, pro-armageddon messages. Fox has never tried to put videos of Hagee up on their main page. Why? Well, I think that people don’t know how fucked up of a person Hagee is. They may not even know he exists, or that he has endorsed McCain.
But if they DID know how fucked up of a person Hagee is, maybe it would turn off voters from supporting McCain, considering how hard McCain’s tried to get Hagee’s endorsement..Instead, all Foxnews readers see is Obama’s wacky pastor.
So, only part of the story is told. And that part was amplified. And everything else? In the dark. Just like FoxNews readers. It’s unfortunate. Hagee is a much bigger ass than Wright could ever aspire to be.
Funny I was just thinking that watching the video of Obama’s CURRENT pastor (I linked it upthread at #7). I think Obama was saying similar things when talking about Rev. Wright and how Wright came from a different generation, and had much different experiences than Obama and his CURRENT pastor have had. Obama also spoke very well about how he couldn’t be where he is without the blood, sweat and tears of those previous generations. He speaks very well on this topic, and I’m glad he’s had the opportunity to show who the real adult is in this election season.
of course *g* my momma civlized me a bit
I am sure the gummint is going to come and bail me out. How about you!
Michelle Bernard is all right…actually…
to be clear, I was referring to her comments on CSPAN, not the mission of her organization
Has Rev. Wright made any statement since all this occurred? I haven’t seen one - just wondered.
Derrick Bell in his “Faces at the Bottom of the Well” says white America needs black America in order to feel superior. No matter how lowly a white job holder, he feels superior to blacks, even blacks who have done much better financially than him. Bell thinks the racism this need for superiority engenders will not go away. I hope he is wrong, but there’s not much evidence of that.
Nationalism is also at work. Black preachers who rail against American policies are not only protesting racism here, they protest racism globally because our foreign adventures since WWII happen to involve non-white countries. To say we were wrong in Korea, Iraq, Vietnam, Iran (when we installed the Shah and upset a lawfully elected president) means our system doesn’t work; that something is wrong with the great U S of A. Since many Americans feel good about themselves because they are Americans, they do not look kindly on any criticism.
I think Obama, rather than disown his pastor, should meet these critics head on. It’s like the lady who called Hillary a “monster”. She obviously did not mean Hillary is literally Godzilla out to devour the city, but Hillary is unprincipled, a dirty fighter who says or does anything to get what she wants. The lady should have explained herself rather than concede the remark was unforgiveable. Hillary plays the race card and may even be behind this current “outrage”. That’s the trouble with Hillary. Anything, even a quite bad thing, is possible.
raven at 45
ROFL you crack me up!
(congrats on the dawgs)
You’ve outdone yourself, Scarecrow.
Actually we should have him on here:
Yeah, LOL!
Can you just imagine had Bu’ush been able to privatize Social Security?
Lehman Bros…down over $16…will they need to get bailed out too?
PS Scarecrow, I always jum on board without saying thanks to the poster for their post, everyone forgive my lack of blog ettiquette, but I do, most sincerely, appreciate what you do for all of us. Your logical dialogue and reasoned arguments have given me and many others fodder for coffe-shop and water-cooler conversations that our neo-con wannabe bubbas simply can not dispute.
Maybe Jane ought to publish all of your posts in a book, it would be a great read. Comprehensive and so very readable, just call it “Scarecrow, on FDL.” That wopuld leave em’ guessing, at least anyone who doesn’t share in our historic little dogdom here at the lake.
It might give the non-blogging public an insight as to how this phenomenon works (and might open the door for other bloggers to publish in print what they put on the blogs.)
Your posts tend to be long enough and complete enough, each of them standing alone in its meaning, it would fall together quite succinctly.
I’m just sayin’…
Obama’s pastor can’t criticize America, but Nice Polite Republicans (NPR) can praise the romaticization of torture…
I think church sermons have changed in the last 40 years.
My experience growing up was with a pastor who preached a lot about social injustice back in the 60s.
Since the 80s and since I’ve moved to a part of the Bible Belt, I hear a different message from the pulpit. Social injustice is not mentioned. Getting saved is.
Lee Greenwood’s “I’m Proud to be an American” is played at a lot of churches around here, every Sunday.
I do not know what the answer to this is but I think it’s a problem to be faced for the campaign.
They’re next, according to accruing financial news wires stories.
Thanks for the heads up (one-T for future reference)
Looks like I might have a governor who I can like for a change.
Yes, I was expecting some noize about Panetta’s comment today, but there’s so much else going on I think it went unnoticed. Really made me ears perk up though…
I still don’t see how he was out of line. it was inflammatory but not out of line (IMO)
Joe L Allbriton owns many media companies. He is also the CEO of Riggs bank that helped funnel money to Dubai for the 9/11 attacks. Wright was damning them and I’m not surprised to see those media companies strike back.
And republic whackjob pastors can talk about how God flooded an entire American city because he was angry at a particular group of Americans.
oops, thanks, Paterson.
bonkers—-what obama said about new and old pastor is toward the end of this chicago tribune interview—-posted yesterday, i think by jane…….
http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....rint.story
That’s why I am here! Think about this, the Bama/MSU game doesn’t go into OT there are maybe hundreds of people on the street where to tornado hit. Look at this photo
Wow, I’m watching it. I’m also concerned for Citigroup…they are down to $18 per share…down from $40 months ago…
She was on C-Span this morning. I watch every morning. She was really good. She was also on Hardball Friday and tried to keep the topic from going nuts. Some times I fell terrible for Donna Brazille, but she sure doesn’t stand up for herself or our Party.
I, for one, didn’t have much issue with much of what the MSM is using to denounce Wright. Wright made some of his statements in regard to the assertions made from black-supporters of Clinton that Obama wasn’t “black enough” to relate to the experience of African Americans. So he asked if Hillary had ever experienced being called a N*****? I think that it was a fair point…one that would have been understood as non-racist inside the context of the Church. This race “issue” (authenticity) was raised to diminish Obama’s experience, by Clinton surrogates.
And Wright is also correct when he indicates that US policies abroad have played a major role in the targeting by terrorists against us. He never stated that the people that died in 9/11 deserved to die, quite the contrary. He stated that they were innocent victims of US policies abroad that encouraged war and civil conflict. Does anyone really doubt that the rise of bin Laden was the consequence of US support for the Mujahideen in Afghanistan?
It seems as if some of this is stuff that people still are in denial about hearing. Or maybe they want to stopper their ears if someone is simply angry enough to express its true effects.
And Wright also speaks about relating to the poor in a hellfire and brimstone manner.
How I wish that just a few of the evangelical fundamentalists would direct a few of their sermons to issues of social justice and the historical weight of the effects of discrimination, sexism, and greed on our current society. Instead they are all bound up in “how Christ will reward you financially” and how best they can attach themselves to power by alignment with the architects of war-profiteering and usury.
Am sad to say we shouldn’t hold our breath for Leon Panetta to clarify his “a woman and a black” comment but I agree he ought to be held accountable. Panetta is a local icon on our central CA coast. Our fairly new CalStateUniversity on former Ft. Ord Army base is his enduring favorable legacy locally where the Leon & Sylvia Panetta Institute thrives. He began his political career as a Republican in the Nixon era. The kindest words this ole brat can conjure up on Panetta is he had the wit to marry Sylvia - whose work ethic then and now is legendary.
So he asked if Hillary had ever experienced being called a N*****? I think that it w