There’s a signature passage, for me, early in Greg Mitchell’s So Wrong for So Long. He describes how he learned a friend–someone he knew through coaching Little League–had died in the Twin Towers. It’s the same way many people learned a loved one had died, when, over the passage of time, that person never came home.
My first thought was: "What floor does Jon Albert work on?"
Then later,
I headed for home in the evening. When I got there, I found out that Jon Albert had not yet returned, and everyone feared the worst.
Then two days later,
Our first cover was all black with "September 11, 2001" in white type. My friend Jon Albert still hadn’t come home.
And finally,
Two weeks later, I took my son, along with one of Jon’s two boys, to a Mets game. Stephen still thought Dad was coming home. He never did, and the paperback edition of Joy in Mudville is now dedicated to him.
The passage highlighted to me how well Greg captures lived experience and turns it into powerful narrative. The rest of his book just reinforced that observation.
I admit, I was initially skeptical of a book of Greg’s collected columns. I had read many of them, I imagined, and would find them too familiar. And indeed I had read many of them when they appeared at Editor & Publisher. But Greg’s ability to capture a true narrative–even while we’re living the events described in that narrative–really brings these pieces together into a coherent story of the media coverage of this Administration’s disastrous war, and the individuals largely ignored by that media coverage.
There are many threads to that narrative: the intertwined fates of Cindy Sheehan and Bill Mitchell, the father of another soldier killed in the same incident as Cindy’s son Casey. Greg’s early and sustained criticism of Judy Miller. His consistent concern about military suicides. His tracking of polls showing persistent and widespread misconceptions about ties between Iraq and 9/11. And finally, Greg’s chronicling of one after another knowledgeable expert–from Dan Ellsberg to Sydney Schanberg to Joseph Galloway to John Murtha–coming out against the war. Greg describes the selection of columns this way:
They follow most of the twists and turns in White House strategy and media response (or lack of it), from the 2003 "run up" to the 2007 "surge" and beyond. It’s all here: Mission Accomplished, Abu Ghraib, the "Friedman Unit," Judith Miller as martyr and goat, suicidal soldiers and dead civilians, Rumsfeld and the armor we "went to war with," Pat Tillman, Valerie Plame, Jill Carroll, Jon Stewart, the cult of Petraeus. Serious stuff, but Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen also appear, as do Oprah and the Ghost of Baghdad Bob.
If you’ve been reading blogs since the Iraq war began there will be few, but notable, surprises. I, for example, had missed the story of Alyssa Peterson, an Arabic-speaking military interrogator who killed herself after refusing to participate in interrogation techniques used on detainees in Iraq; the military destroyed all records of the techniques that contributed to her suicide. Like many of the columns Greg includes in the book, the several on Peterson focus attention on the human scale of the war–the tragedy of one principled woman–drowned out by the larger media narrative.
Even if the book retells a familiar story, it does so by picking out the threads that, even still, have fallen by the wayside of mainstream coverage. This is one the best chronicles I’ve seen of a country and a press getting snookered and then, slowly and incompletely, waking up. Let’s hope it contributes to more people waking up.




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Greg welcome to the Lake.
Happy to be here, thanks.
Welcome to FDL, Greg.
As you know, I have great respect for what you do here — I think E&P was one of the first places in the “mainstream” to promote your work on Plame etc. way back when.
I haven’t seen any questions here yet. Let know if I have missed them.
I didn’t load the post with questions–but I’ve got several (while we’re waiting for folks to move up from the last thread).
You book clearly reflects a dialogue with the blogosphere. When did you start watching the blogosphere? What was your first impression–and how has it changed?
Greg, how long did it take to research and finish the book?
I guess I just started paying attention to blogs very early on as an active gatherer of news and opinion. We were very big on the Jeff Gannon case and that brought a lot of blogs to attention.
Well, it took 5 years in the sense that it reflects 5 years of my writing about the war and the media. Then last year, several months of editing, adding the chronology and lot of new material between each piece, a long intro, and getting a foreword from Joe Galloway and preface from Bruce Springsteen.
It is really the first five-year history of the war, from runup to the surge debate last fall…
One thing I didn’t include in the post was the response you got from editors–that the war would be over by the time you brought the book out. What sparked you to bring this to a book when you did? Do you think it might influence the war debate?
This is the very first I’ve heard of Alyssa Peterson. Why kill herself rather than get the word out?
Wow, looks like we may be gearing up for a really interesting conversation.
Thanks, Marcy, for kicking it off and thanks Greg for being here with us.
Like most in her position she was in no position to get the word out to anyone in the media. We don’t know how much she may have complained to superiors. She was deeply religious and the whole thing was so appalling, she couldn’t handle it (on top of family issues).
Mr. Mitchell -
I read everything you write over at E & P and your book is at the top of my “To Buy” list. The very best wishes for success; hope to see you on talk shows in its promotion. Do you have anything on your schedule…especially C-Span?
I wanted to get the book out three years ago, just on the basis of better late than never. Then it got much later, and later, and here we are. So I guess well-timed now. At least.
IIRC she was browbeaten and demoralized for not getting with the program. A chilling story.
I have a lot of interviews set this week, Air America, NPR’s On the Media for next weekend, book right now on Olbermann, but of course could get bumped, maybe Jim Lehrer — a lot of stuff cooking, but who knows.
Welcome Greg! Thanks so much for coming over today at certain times to let us know you were coming. We’ve all been waiting for ya.
Speaking of Alyssa, hasn’t the military made it so our soldiers cannot write on blogs and can’t have their own blogs without being screened? Sad. That right there shows me our military has a lot to hide, agree?
Greg, can you give us a sneak peek at what else is in the book that has been entirely ignored by the press? Do you have anything on Sybil Edmonds (sp?), for example?
Greg,
IIRC, E&P is an insider site/magazine for the publishing industry. Do you ever get any feedback from the reporters and other insiders when you call them out for their lack of coherent and responsible reporting on the run-up to the Iraq invasion and the continuing occupation? Or do they just attempt to downplay their own culpability?
One chapter in the book is about McCain’s famous visit to that market last April…I see he said today it was too dangerous to re-visit. That’s progress!
One of the articles in here compares the fate of Peterson with another woman, Kayla Williams, who also objected to the techniques. It makes for an interesting look at how people were responding to the war.
Greg includes about 4 other columns on suicides, as well as one column asking why the press isn’t reporting them.
Yeah, they have clamped down but still a lot of activity. But I have written many, many, pieces on suicides, in Iraq and at home.
I heard you on a talk show in Central Illinois and took exception to your statement that many on the left consider the surge to be a complete failure. I pointed out that in terms of its methods and goals it had been. But I was left wondering why it is that progressives who were right about Iraq from the beginning or, like me, very early on still get dismissed while those who came around much later and then often only partially continue to be taken more seriously.
Excellent! America is in shock over what this “administration” has done.
So far as I know you are the only trade paper to take on your entire industry in such a forceful way. How does Editor & Publisher survive in what is generally a dry environment?
Actually, the biggest protest from within the newspaper industry is my constant “nagging” to get one, and then more, to call for a change in course in Iraq. They didn’t think that was my role.
How does E&P survive? Just a guess, is that beyond my war writing, I have also helped the magazine make a big comeback the last few years, winning awards, making our budget, etc. So an overall thing.
Greg, I’ve not written a fraction of what you have, but when on occasion I’m reminded of things I’ve written that people ask me about or bring to my attention, I frequently think, “Oh, I forgot about that one.” More rarely I think, “Gee, that holds up pretty well.” Other times, maybe not. Heh.
Did you have the pleasant experience of “rediscovering” any of your columns as you assembled the book, and if so, are there any that you feel particularly happy about, in retrospect?
I have heard or read a number of people who just label the surge a complete failure, rather than say, okay, violence is down somewhat, but it is a failure overall. That’s all I mean.
How did you come to Editor and Publsher?
Greg: What have we learned after five years of this war. In what ways would you describe how the media’s and/or the blogs coverage has changed? Are we getting better? Wiser?
Great! Don’t know what the policy at the Lake is about such things; do you have a web site on which your appearances will be announced if it’s inappropriate here?
I can’t point to one column that I’d forgotten about that I became especially pleased about. It’s more the overall variety and, yes, I rarely found that I had been proven “wrong” about anything.
Welcome Greg!
I’ve not yet read your book, so please forgive me if it already answers my questions.
1. Is there one fundamental reason why our media has lost its way or is that too simplistic a way to examine/question their failures?
2. Is there a destiny for the TV media to be other than “simple stories
entertainment, simply told”?3. Does the very fact of having to fill the screen 24×7 intrinsically make the Cable TV media nothing more than a very thin soup, repeatedly watered down, and down, and down spme more? Can it ever consistenly have a calorie content higher than zero?
Again, I’m most pleased to see you here today!
I just ordered the book. It looks like information we need to have, ugly as it may be.
How do people like O’Hanlon keep getting published? He is wrong, no one wants to read him, so how does he keep getting space on the editorial pages? Do publishers have death wishes?
It took me years to launch a blog, but now it is here:
http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/
But doesn’t any statement that violence is down have to be caveated with explanations that it was already dropping due to the cease-fire agreements that were negotiated. And don’t those agreements in a way negate the surge is affective argument?
I keep reading sad stories about layoffs at newspapers. Do you ever feel that the wrong people are getting laid off?
Those are good questions, Mad Dog, but deserve more commentary than I can give here. Perhaps you could stay in touch, check out my blog, etc. I am so focused on the here and now — for example, WHY the big falloff in Iraq coverage lately if it is now so much safer for reporters to get around there now???
Greg, I haven’t read your book yet, but after Marcy’s introduction I plan to run out and buy a copy tomorrow. I’m just finishing an advance of Going To War by Russ Hoyle. It never ceases to amaze me that works like these are written and reviewed and read and that tyranny still marches forward. Does it ever get frustrating to you to be offering people the Truth and then to see them decide to eat up what Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are serving instead?
I agree–this book makes it pretty clear that you were pretty prescient about the direction of the war.
Vietnam hangs over this book, both because of the columns on people involved in Vietnam (Schanberg and Ellsberg) and because those comparisons became explicit. When did the comparison become explicit for you, personally? Is that why you were often right?
When did you first realize that your work at Editor and Publisher was being read outside of your trade audience?
Aloha, Greg and Marcy! I personally consider Joe Galloway as one of the best MSM voices against the monstrosity, he never seems to pull his punches! Has the pentagon ever tried to silence him, i.e. pull his press credentials…?
I’d also jump in with an invitation, Greg, to offer any critiques of this rather decentralized and variegated “blogosphere,” particularly on the left.
I remember, covering the Libby trial, getting to know some of the establishment media types and trying to understand their perspectives on what we do, and I wrote about some of that at the time. Back then, there was a little lesst crossover and familiarity between these two general worlds than there is today, but there’s still misunderstanding.
I think a lot of us are pretty familiar with their critiques of us, but are there any parts of such critiques, or any of your own, that for you seem most salient?
I guess I’m trying to continue somewhat to find ways these two worlds can come to understand each other, notwithstanding the sharp differences we often have with each other.
And on an unrelated note, do you know who’s providing the comedy at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner this year? I don’t. After Rich Little, Im curious to see what this year will bring.
Along same lines as Mad Dog’s questions ,….is it (MSM) just case of big=bland (like a lot of other things) , or is there more to it?
I problem with layoffs, besides the human element and cut in coverage, is that you lose people with decades of experience in favor of younger, chapter people. That may be fine in the new WWW world on one level but I don’t think you want all of the Dana Priests of the world to take buyouts….Michael Gordon maybe.
Actually dcblogger asks a really good question, how do the pundits who have been so demonstrably wrong keep getting “air time”? It seems that their lack of credibility would eventually reflect on their employers who seem to strive for some degree of credibility (well, except Fox and Lou Dobbs) in their “alleged” reporting.
Also, in the vein of being proved right, no one ever seems to credit Ashleigh Banfield who called bullshit on the whole misadventure and was banished then fired by MSGOP for lack of sufficient patriotism/flag-saluting. She has been proven 1000% right since 2003.
Let me think, Pac, oh yes, the comedian this year at that year, following Colbert and Rich Little is that British latenight guy, Craig Ferguson…is that the name?
As for criticism of blogs, interesting what is going on at Kos. On another note, I posted something there about Obama that wasn’t even critical and I got identified as a “concern troll.” SO there you are.
One of the favorite columns that was totally new to me with this book was the story of Galloway eating lunch with Rummy (Rummy brought him in and tried to claim his sources all must be retired). It’s very very amusing.
Yes, Bill Kristol keeps getting rewarded for being so wrong. I did a piece on him pushing Clarence Thomas for McCain’s running mate. That is a fire-able offense, even at the NYT, or should be….
Joe Galloway is great. I have a chapter in the book about him having lunch with Rumsfeld a couple of years ago and calling him out right to his face…
This damn primary campaign may well be the death of the lefty blogosphere–at the rate we’re pulling each other’s hair out.
Heh, I’m sure Galloway got a good laugh out of Rummy’s notions, too…!
They think we are lazy, partisan, and sloppy which oddly enough is exactly what we think of them, only with more reason.
I first made the Vietnam comparison in the first week of the war when the NYT published a photo of a meeting of Rumsfeld with former Pentagon chiefs. There was a huge photo of him shaking hands with McNamara. I proposed that McNamara was whispering to Rummy, “What part of quagmire don’t you understand?”
Does the American press understand the challenge they face from foreign competition? For example, are they aware that most of the Guardian’s traffic comes from the US and that 30% of Deutsche Welle’s traffic comes from the US? Do they know how much of their audience is looking outside the country for sources of information?
It’s all part of HRC’s master plan Marcy, didn’t you get the memo?
He’s my hero…! 8-)
Yeah, my son who is in film school in the U.S. says he checks the BBC for news….I think newspapers here are more concerned with you guys and other online sites. That’s why most now have dozens of blogs and video etc.
Will Joe Galloway’s Tome to the Chickenhawks be “They weren’t Soldiers”?
And the cartoons he has on the wall of his office bathroom.
I still think that the pro-war part of the public is limited to 30 to 40 percent — and that won’t go down much, as they will just keep watching Fox, listening to Rush etc. But neither will it go up….
I think it is the clown factor. The media don’t want pundits who are right. They want pundits that get strong emotional reactions and build ratings and/or readership.
I think newspapers here are more concerned with you guys and other online sites.
well, I think with what is happening at the Orange Frat House they can relax. I am mildly curious to see if The Daily Show will pick up on it.
If you don’t mind me plugging another site, I am doing a week at TPM starting tomorrow with guest posters — Joe Galloway, Jay Rosen, Paul Reickhoff, Spencer Ackerman and the always entertaining Bob Bateman.
This may be the first blog launch of book publicity tour, unless you count Anatomy of Deceit, but that was a special case.
Greg, wrt the “surge” and how “success” is measured, it’s possible that early on the media bought the idea that “less reported violence” = success. That reduced the matter to body counts, and as long as they stayed below a certain threshold, well below 2006-07 levels, there was no news to report from Iraq.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the media discuss the surge as comparable to the decision to enter Iraq in the first place — that is, as a strategic choice about where to focus US attention and military presence. There never was much doubt that if you put enough troops into a small enough area, you can pacify it — but the issue was always whether that was a smart strategic choice, given Afghanistan, Pakistan, the stretched Army, costs, etc, not to mention domestic priorities for spending. Do you see that framework discussed anywhere?
So far as I know, Editor & Publisher is the only publication to report on insider stock dumping within the news industry. Do you think that was one of the reasons Murdoch thought the WSJ would be ripe for takeover?
Wow, Quite a lineup, I can’t wait to see what’s on tap…!
Yeah, the Web is where it is at in book promotion. I had a major excerpt in Salon this week and something else at Mother Jones, plus Buzzflash, Antiwar, and much more. Very little in MSM so far, but could change…
I think they’re anxious to have Stephen Colbert back!
The surge is a true tragedy. One of the major chapters in my book is on the TOTAL lack of discussion of it — even pro — in the days before Bush announced it, and everyone knew it was coming. I think I was first to label the media “Surge Protectors.” It was the lowest point for the press in the whole war, after the runup.
Greg, what are your thoughts about the Pentagon/White House planting stories overseas in newspapers to benefit themselves? I remember a year or so ago they got caught doing it at least once (if I can find a link to it I will post it).
Lt Col. Bateman is always a good read whether you agree with him or not. And he responds to all emails so you can have a nice dialog with him.
Yeah, Colbert gets the first word in the book and is a figure elsewhere. I am proud to say that E&P was instrumental in getting his famous dinner routine out to the world just minutes after it happened — with our Joe Strupp on the scene and me madly uploading here at home.
I’m doing a podcast with Glenn Greenwald this week, too. He wrote a blurb for the book, as did Bill Moyers, Reickhoff and Arianna.
A work of genius all around.
I am reminded of the cover of Time Magazine, confidently assuring the public that Bush would listen to the Iraq Study Group, instead of doubling down with the Surge. How did an establishment media giant like Time get it wrong on the Administrations intentions? The actual answer for Time is not what would be interesting, but how the message was wrong.
I am sorry to say I am not an expert on stock dumping or anything else to do with stocks….
I’d love to go back to the question about how E&P has gotten picked up outside of the industry.
Who, besides the blogs, are reading it too? What do you think is behind it–besides a real desire for better press coverage? Do you guys track how much of your readership is non-media IPs?
In case I forget, let me post here that my office email is: gmitchell@editorandpublisher.com
My blog again is:
http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/
My profound thanks for your efforts in publicizing Colbert – it was a satiric J’accuse of Bushco and the media enablers, and he did it to their faces. Colbert was my hero after that.
E&P gets picked up a lot by all sorts of places — but usually, as with the blogs, on the basis of individual stories or columns. In other words, beyond the newspaper biz, a lot of people check in or find a story via you guys, or Google News, Huff Post or Romenesko. It’s not like a million people are coming every day and checking our home page, which is still mainly inside baseball. But almost every day we have a couple real zingers for you guys and others.
For those of us who remember Vietnam, the “surge” was escalation with a better press agent. The fact that the media allowed their own co-option by the 1600 Crew essentially rendered them ineffective as agents of “truth” as they fought not to get out the stories and facts, but to become “embeds” and have what little access they were told they could have (and be damn grateful you ingrate commie pinko peace-lovin’ journos!).
Iraq has been one giant exercise in message and spin control by the 1600 Crew and their Pentagon lackeys. Aided and abetted by a compliant Congress and docile, sycophantic media.
Buy me a beer and I’ll tell you how I really feel.
Yeah, people remember that Colbert mocked the Prez but many don’t recall that he hit the media almost as hard: “Go home and write your book: ‘How I Stood Up to the President.’ You know — fiction.”
Greg, do you follow Army of Dude’s blog? He’s an Iraq Vet with a great gift of writing and a valuable perspective.
Yeah, the media really backed the Iraq Study Group, but Bush was hand’s off right away and promising his own plan. Everyone knew what that would be– but not a single newspaper editorialized against it until too late.
I don’t know that blog, but now will check it out.
Nice blog, Greg. I see “Winter Soldiers” on there. There were many here yesterday watching it online (or on the tv..could have been both…I unfortunately did not watch it). Some said it was too painful to watch and to listen to our soldiers talking about their experiences. This is probably why the MSM through the Pentagon is not allowing images of the war to be shown or why they’re not allowed to ask direct questions of our soldiers…even off the record.
Sad times we’re living in.
Me too, I still have to go back and watch Colbert once in while. My dad (who for some unknown reason) refuses to use a computer, but every time he comes over he wants to see Colbert at the press dinner.
If any of you are old enough to appreciate this: I was senior editor at the legendary Crawdaddy for most the 1970s, then I was editor of the magazine of the antinuclear movement, Nuclear Times, for half of the 1980s…then I wrote a bunch of books, two with the great Robert Jay Lifton, and two “classic” on political campaigns, the Nixon/Douglas race and Upton Sinclair’s Race for Governor of Calif in 1934 (my favorite book of all).
There was a good new doc on the original Winter Soldiers that I saw a year or two ago…
I have a copy of Home to War by Lifton. I was in the VVAW and at Dewey Canyon III so, yes, I remember Crawdaddy. I also got to meet Joe and Hal Moore at the 15th Anniversary of the Wall.
Sir No Sir or Winter Soldier?
Wow, Raven, stay in touch, you have my email above.
Galloway and Hal just finished sequel, will be out in fall…
Greg, I noticed you caught Dana ‘Pig Missile’ Perino’s blasphemous assertion that Helen Thomas’s questions were not based on facts… I was stunned when she had the audacity to say that! I’d commented here at the Lake that actually it was her answers that were not factual…!
Iirc, it was a flag in a post by Jane or Christy that led me there. They just forgot to mention it’s easy to acquire an addiction to the place. *g*
What does “Pig Missile” come from, I missed that….
She got the Cuban Missile Crisis conflated with the Bay of Pigs, thinking they were the same thing.
There are a number of columns in the book on the Pentagon’s efforts to hide the images of the war, too.
I mentioned Bill Mitchell in the post. As I said, his son died in the same incident in which Casey Sheehan was killed. Greg did a column listing all the peopel who died that day in the war, and Mitchell got in touch with Greg. He went on to write a letter to the Seattle Times to thank them for publishing the picture of the coffins coming into Dover from Iraq. It’s a really fascinating story–and remarkable way to tell the story of the Pentagon hiding these images (Mitchell’s son went on to be named in a Doonsbury strip, which is described in another of the columns in the book).
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So does that make her a “pig missile” or a “missile pig”? 8>)
This might be the only crowd where we had 10 Joe Galloway references and none about Springsteen! Refreshing.
The pups here, coined it in honor of her fumbling of the the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile crisis…
I invented it, after she admitted on Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me that she didn’t know the difference between the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Bay of Pigs.
For you pups:
Yeah, I heard from Bill Mitchell a couple of weeks ago and made sure he got a book. He had to drop out of the peace movement for awhile to take care of an ailing mother….
I kind of thought you and Howie might get into music…
I stand corrected…! *g*
I have upper deck BEHIND the stage for Atlanta in April!
Got in a little home town jam
Sent me off. . .
well, you know
Jane ought to know that I am a huge Leonard Cohen fan, since she featured him in one of her flicks…
Thanks for being here today and congrats on the new book I eagerly look forward to reading. Do you have plans for a west coast book tour and if so we’d be honored to welcome you for a salon and book signing reception in downtown Pacific Grove on the Monterey peninsula.
They essentially did the same thing with the “Petraeus Report” spending all their ink and angst on the MoveOn.org ad and not pounding Petraeus and Crocker for all their lies, which was rather the point of the MoveOn ad.
I was wondering if you had stayed in touch with him. I found his a really moving story.
Yeah, that Crawdaddy article on Bruce cited above — the first magazine every written about him, ten thousand words and before his first record — I wrote with our editor Peter Knobler.
I bet that one is extremely interesting, considering the movie studio’s Rovian propaganda that they used against him
What’s the name of that book?
No West Coast tour, sorry. Publishers hardly believe in them anymore. I’ll take the Web anyway….
It’s “The Campaign of the Century,” which won the Goldsmith Book Prize, was turned into a PBS film and more. I was first to find the legendary anti-Sinclair propaganda films made by….Irving Thalberg…
Calling Dr Hackenbush!
If everyone here wants to get inspired, read up on Sinclair’s EPIC campaign — for End Poverty in California. He won the Democratic primary in a landslide and was headed for victory, before the first modern political campaign derailed him….
My book is out of print, but you can read about the campaign online etc.
That’s because my momma was Dancing in the Dark on Thunder Road when I was born near the Badlands. There was Darkness on the Edge of Town as we rolled off into the Night in our Pink Cadillac. I felt the Spirit in the Night, the Ghost of Tom Joad, as I traveled on the Backstreets into Jungleland. There I met Sandy who was telling Wild Billy’s Circus Story to Rosalita, and it caused the Incident on 57th Street because she did not know that Kitty’s Back, we avoided those 41 Shots because there was a Meeting Across the River.
[/obligatory Springsteen] LOL.
Thanks, the movie is probably where I remember it from … but now I’ll have to read the book
As Eliot Spitzer pumped his way into his hat…
Heh, heh.
Well folks, I have to go make dinner for family (no rest for the weary). If there is another question, fire away, otherwise, thanks for the opportunity and always best wishes to the community here.
Thanks for sharing your stories and perspective here today.
Thanks bro
Excellent!
Good night and good luck.
Mahalo for spending time here at the Lake! I look forward to reading your book!
I appreciate the questions and will check back here to see what else comes up. You have my email and blog address above.
Thanks to all.
Thanks Greg–good luck with the book!
No, thank you Greg, for today and for all the decades of dedicated work behind today, this book, everything.
Greg thank you for spending time with us here at the Lake.
Excellent book, everyone, if you haven’t had the chance to read it there is a link above to buy it.
Ordered the book just now. Looking forward to reading it.
Thanks, Greg, for all you do.