One problem with Central Banks is that too many people think they’re all powerful. For years the Fed chairman was considered America’s economic manager, and folks suggested that what the rest of the government did mattered little. So, in the 90’s, we had adulation of Alan "the Maestro" Greenspan.
And it’s true that central banks, and especially the Fed, are very powerful. Practically the first piece of investing advice I ever received was "don’t fight the Fed." But the Fed, while powerful, is not all-powerful and the Fed’s instruments are rather crude.
The Fed’s main economic management tools all fall under what is known as "monetary policy." The Fed controls, to some extent, how much money there is in the economy and how much you have to pay for it. (Interest rates are the price of money.) It doesn’t just have monetary powers, of course, it also has regulatory powers over banks, but mostly, if the Fed wants to accomplish something it does that by manipulating how easy, or how hard, it is for folks to get short term money (the supply of long term money is much less under Fed control). In addition to changing the price of money through changes in short term interest rates, the Fed can also engage in open market operations in which it buys or sells securities and it can also simply "print money."
For most of the recent decades the primary tool used by the Fed has been interest rate changes. It has manipulated the cost of money. Whenever you read about the Fed cutting or raising interest rates, that’s what they’re doing, changing how much money costs. Make money cheaper and more people will borrow, more activities will become profitable (because if you can make say an 8% profit not including capital costs and your cost of capital is 2% you’re profitable. If your cost of capital is 8% and your profit is 8%, well, your profit is actually 0%).
So, if the Fed wants more economic activity it decreases interest rates and a lot more money gets borrowed, either for consumption or to create or grow businesses.
The Fed increases interest rates when it wants to reduce inflation. As the cost of money goes up, less economic activity occurs and economic actors (businesses and workers both, ideally) lose pricing power. Unable to pass on costs to consumer, to negotiate raises with employers and so on, price increases tend to halt. The most notable example of this in recent years would be the Volcker Fed, which raised interest rates to double digit numbers in order to reign in inflation. That, of course, also turned what would have probably been a mild recession into an absolutely awful one because a ton of businesses became unprofitable, borrowing for consumption was crazy expensive and business expansion became painfully expensive (and was crowded out by the fact that you could lend money for double digit percents, so why not do that rather than invest in yourself?)
So this is the Bernanke Bind. Bernanke can’t simultaneously fight inflation and at the same time try and bail out an economy (or rather, a financial sector) which is collapsing around him. This is a classic policy bind, where no matter what you choose, there will be strong negative consequences.
Bernanke chose to lower interest rates. Which means that he has chosen to let inflation, already high in key sectors like energy and food, burgeon out of control. Last year I was predicting stagflation (high interest rates and high inflation, like in the late 70s) and that is now moving towards a consensus view.
Privatize the Profits, Socialize the Losses
But interest rate changes are only one tool the Fed has. There are other things it can do and it has chosen to do some of them. The most notable is that the Fed has agreed to swap banks (and starting soon, brokerages) treasuries in exchange for other types of securities – most notably Agencies, which is to say mortgage backed securities guaranteed by either Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae, the federal mortgage guarantee agencies.
At this point in time, even Agency backed securities are trading very far from face value, assuming you can even find someone who is willing to buy them, which you often can’t. Treasuries, being issued by the federal government, on the other hand, are selling like hot cakes. They are liquid, and more to the point, they are effectively cash. You can borrow against treasuries at nearly 100% so if you need money to meet margin calls, or to meet reserve requirements, treasuries are effectively the same thing as having stacks of bills in your vault.
The problem with banks and brokerages right now is not a liquidity crisis – it isn’t that there isn’t enough money around, it’s a solvency issue. People don’t believe that various securities, of which mortgage backed securities are only one kind, are worth the face value. In fact they don’t know what they’re worth, and fear they’re worth effectively nothing. So they won’t buy them and they won’t let them be used as collateral against other loans. Worse, when funds like the Carlyle Fund go bankrupt they have to sell off these securities. And then you do get a price. And then accounting rules force all the other banks, funds and brokerages holding the same securities to write them down. And billions of dollars just disappear overnight.
When that happens highly leveraged institutions (and many are leveraged at 30:1 or more) find that they no longer have the collateral against their outstanding loans (including margin). To meet those requirements they too potentially have to sell. That pushes down the price of these issues even more, provides prices (bad prices) for more of them, and that itself causes a self reinforcing downward spiral.
The end result of all that could be that a number of banks, brokerage houses and government backed agencies would go bankrupt. (In fact, my guess is that many are already bankrupt and just refuse to know it.)
All of this assuming that banks and other credit grantors don’t simply yank loans come renewal time, even if your assets haven’t been forced into a revaluation, because they’re betting they will be. They’ve got this junk on their books, they know they can’t move it, and they know you can’t move yours either. Why would they loan you money you probably can’t pay back? And if they do loan it to you, they’ll charge higher interest rates than they would otherwise. The ability of brokerages and banks to borrow from each other has been drying up as each of them individually tries to protect themselves.
So what the Fed has done is say that it will accept these dubious financial instruments at face value, or near face value, and in exchange give the banks and brokerages securities that are actually worth something, which can be used as collateral, and which are liquid.
Strictly speaking these exchanges are for 30 days only, but in practice they are likely to continue in perpetuity or until the crisis is over. If the Fed, after all, doesn’t keep rolling them over, then all the problems the Fed was trying to avoid will occur, plus a confidence crisis caused by the Fed pulling back.
Likewise it should be noted that there’s a very good chance of the Fed getting caught with these junk securities. If a bank or brokerage goes under anyway, the Fed will be stuck with securities that are worth cents on the dollar. So what the Fed has done is socialize the risk because ultimately, you the taxpayer are on the hook for Fed losses, either directly or through inflation if they print money to cover them. It’s a nice game if you think about it. Wall Street has been giving away record bonuses for years. Heck, bonuses paid for 2006 were greater than the raises of 80 million Americans. Bonuses given for 2007, in 2008, after everyone knew that large chunks of Wall Street were probably insolvent, were even larger! These guys privatized the profits, making themselves into millionaires. And now the government is picking up the losses.
This is especially the case in the bailout of Bear Stearns, which was done with "non-recourse, back-to-back financing". JP Morgan borrows money from the Fed’s discount window, lends it to Bear Stearns in exchange for securities and if the Bear defaults, JP doesn’t have to repay the Fed. Morgan will insist on Bear’s most valuable securities in exchange for the money (still worth less than par, but certainly not worthless) and if the Bear goes under, JP keeps those securities and doesn’t repay the Fed. Good deal, eh?
In some respects this amounts to buying an ownership stake in Bear Stearns, without the advantages of just out and out nationalizing the Bear, telling the stockholders that they get nothing (which is a risk they signed up for when they bought stock) and then unwinding the position slowly. Except that JP Morgan gets to make a bunch of money, where direct nationalization and winding down (or even nationalizing and operating) would mean reduced expenses for the government and no private profit. We sure wouldn’t want for the public to take the minimal soaking possible and for Wall Street not to profit from a firm that ran itself into bankruptcy, would we?
The Fed’s balance sheet at this point is approximately 800 billion. This may not seem large, but it is real unleveraged money, known as the monetary base. The Fed has currently committed about half of that to various facilities which are or will accept crap paper for treasuries. This means that the Fed has about 400 billion of maneuvering room left before it runs out of the ability to just swap paper around and pretend it’s all the same sort of paper.
Four hundred billion seems very unlikely to be enough. Neither does eight hundred billion. The terrible beauty of reverse leverage means that banks and Wall Street are exposed to much more than 800 billion of downside risk. Normally that doesn’t matter, but when people start insisting on real money, not leveraged money, it does. Bernanke is betting that markets will settle on a reasonable price for distressed securities; a price that is lower than par, but not so low that the sector collapses. And he’s betting that the markets will do it before he runs out of willingness to push inflation through the roof. (Central bankers never run out of money, though they can run out of money worth anything.)
So what happens if the Fed pushes up to 800 billion, and finds out that isn’t enough? Well, at that point it has to create new assets, on its own. It has the power to do so, but doing so is effectively the same as running the printing presses. Running them hot.
Which leads us back to Bernanke’s bind. Doing that would put into play significant inflationary pressures. Printing money when the economy isn’t expanding at the same rate as you’re printing it inevitably leads to inflation. Since the US economy is actually contracting, printing money will almost certainly cause even more inflation.
The Bernanke Bind: the central bank can’t do two things at once. It can’t fight inflation and prop up financial markets and the economy at the same time. It is simply not possible. And, sadly, while the Fed can usually have any one thing it wants, in this case, because this is not a liquidity crisis but a crisis of confidence and a solvency crisis (i.e. a question of whether banks and other financial institutions are bankrupt or not) it’s questionable if the Fed can even have that one thing, short of the Fed just throwing up its hands and running the presses hot. In which case the US could have a solvent financial sector worth nothing because the US dollar would be worth nothing.
So what should Bernanke do?
Wrong question. Bernanke’s in a bind. He can choose his poison, which he’s done, but he can’t fix the bind by himself. The Fed, powerful as it is, just doesn’t have the tools. Monetary policy alone will not get the US out of this.
A solution requires fiscal policy, and that means Congress and the President. Which means nothing useful will will be done at least till 2009, and maybe not even then.
Assuming, however, Congress and the President did actually want to take action and were willing to do what it takes, there are options. I’ll discuss some of those options in upcoming posts.
Related posts:
- NPR, the IMF, and the Global Savings Glut
- The Independence of the Fed at Risk: Watt vs. Paul-Grayson
- The Song Remains The Same: Too Much Money At The Top of The Economy
- Another Failed Innovation: Auction-Rate Securities
- It Takes The Village To Raze the Economy: Some Notes On Krugman and the Return of Keynes





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Aloha,Ian!
Hey Ian.
So, the banks take real money, lend it back and forth to each other until everyone is confused, and then no one gets their money back? Or am I missing something besides the profit for the 1% at the top of the ponzi scheme?
One question, did any of these guys actually pass the Econ and Civics courses they sat in? Apparently, no.
Another of Atrios’ Simple Answers to Simple Questions?
We are sooo screwed, I liked Krugman’s take that the falling dollar is the only potential lifeline to restore our sorry asses on the global trade ledgers… Rather ironic, no?
Well, Harvard gave Shrub a MBA…!
What is your take on Bear Stearns CEO Alan Schwartz, Wednesday, he says everything is Ok and Friday they need to be bailed out? They went to pot in 24 hours?
wow, quite a read Ian
there it is, the very purpo
tax policy will get us out of this
we must reclaim the assets that were stolen from our infrastructure and our middle class in order to pay for the gifts to the wealthy this administration called “tax cuts”
they weren’t tax cuts they were thefts of asset
we reclaim those assets, use those to envigorate the economy WITHOUT adding greenbacks to the supply and bing, problems are solved
-sigh- that’s true.
However, the Harvard MBA did not become “fashionable” until the go-go 80’s. UT Austin Law School turned the shithead down, which shows that even attorneys are brighter than most folks give them credit for. Well, except maybe Clarence Thomas, Abu Gonzales and the graduates of Regent University.
All the NYC banks and financial houses are broke. Busted.
Our financial system is in a state of collapse.
Giving NYC banks more money is merely throwing fuel on the fire.
The sooner we close down the FED and shift to fiscal policy, the better.
I whole heartedly agree, we need to tax the crap out of ‘em, and, tighten up our regulatory system, particularly in regards to wealth flight… Similar to what the Germans are doing with Liechtenstein’s tax shelters!
Ian,
Seems to me the Fed views its role is to bail out U.S. capital players.
Using taxpayer funds.
Goes all the way back to Alexander Hamilton, I believe.
This is a game. Is there an endpoint?
hi there…
Bernanke isn’t in a bind. We are because the goofs who got us into this mess are still calling the shots on it. What is needed is a grand settlement that would spin subprime and other marginal mortgages into long term fixed rate ones plus a stupidity penalty. Lenders would have to write down the size of these mortgages and pay a greed penalty. And as I have been saying for a while now, this will only work if fairly severe limits are placed on hedge fund activities since these are so disruptive of and destructive to capital market stability.
The issue is that firms like Bear Stearns does NOTHING but buy and sell securities with huge fees, because the transactions are so high. The securities do nothing for the economy. That’s the fraud.
The description that the Fed lends money at a low rate X so that Bank A can then issue loans to businesses and consumers at x+1% and they make a little 1% fee and then the Bank A can make it’s little interest return because credit is a “cost of doing business”.
Why should the fees for these “transactions” be so huge? If Bank A buys $100MM of securities they sell them for what abouts to a few million in “fees”. There is nothing to justify these fees. Certainly their cost of doing business has nothing to do with the kind of money they are making for their little pass thrus.
And mortgage brokers act in the same rip off manner. The “secure a loan” for a creditor, fill out some forms and charge 10s of thousands of dollars for that service. Does anyone question the basis for these fees?
The financial sector is allowed to leverage it’s assets, essentially selling financial instruments that it doesn’t have. It’s called fractional lending. And it’s why a run on any bank or financial institution will reveal that they are insolvent.
They leverage up so that they can make huge financial transactions, huge fees, huge profits and as long as no one asks to cash in all their highly leveraged paper they get richer and richer.
The mortgage crisis caught them selling IOUs which people could no longer pay and couple with the fact that the IOUs were collateralized by rela estate which itself was inflated, even the collateral was not worth shit.
But the banks and their agents – mortgage brokers, rela estate brokers, and other hangers on suck up in the real estate “industry” created the same bubble because it was self serving and they sucked off their fees at the closing of a transaction.
Banks always front load their fees so that they make their’s in the beginning and could care less.
They wil bring in their buds in the insurance industry to guarantee payment and these suckers don’t have the collateral to pay up either so the whole scheme is one of smoke and mirrors, dependent on the little guy paying the interest charges.
HE WORKS FOR HIS MONEY. THEY DON’T.
“a stupidity penalty” — great potential there.
Ian!! Glad to see you are still posting here despite your new position. Great post and I look forward to many more. You are right. Ben is f–ked. I think you are far too forgiving to Ben though. I suppose he has to bail out Bear Stearns, but it is the bail outs that keep getting us in trouble.
This episode bears no resemblance to the stagflation of the late-70s, early-80s period and the Fed is in no bind wrt inflation vs. growth.
CPI excluding food & energy peaked at about 13% in the early 80s; it is 2.3% (year-over-year comparisons) today. (Food & energy are excluded for analytical purposes to exclude supply shocks & for other reasons.) That is not the kind of inflation that the Fed feels obligated to “fight,” so their other policy objective, maintaining growth, becomes paramount.
That’s why we need Jim Webb for VP. His hero is Andrew Jackson after all. And you know what Jackson is famous for, right? ;-)
Do you really believe the Gov. inflation numbers though?
Oh.. so we’re discussing monetary policy. Good deal. May I weigh in?
I am obviously not an economist but isn’t it a bit ludicrous to state that the two biggest and most necessary consumer items, being food and energy, are excluded from calculating the Consumer Price Index in order to create some false analytical universe that has no bearing on the realities of day to day living?
The fed’s customers are banks. They need them to play.
Bear Stearns customers are other Banks. As long as banks can play everything is fine. Banks are broke so lending them money is like giving a drunk some more wine to get on.
Consumers are not going to be strapped with more debt. And they WILL cut back, walk away from their huge debt and the banks can’t collect. Banks have grown too accustomed to their rip off usury rates and fee extraction schemes. People have been accepting all this BS for decades now.
The credit card was a means to addict consumers to credit in tiny increments. Boy it worked. Now everyone needs a credit rating instead of a savings account.
What business doesn’t owe money? That’s how it works, you grow by owning money – borrowing.
Right?
Yes, but what kind of growth. If it is just to keep the current shell game going, the reckoning is delayed not averted.
Here’s an interesting website on government statistics.
Bailout is the preferred solution for Wall Street, and the republicans march in lockstep to make it happen by thwarting every single alternative the Dems offer. They stopped infrastructure repair. They stopped the amendments to the bankruptcy code that would have dealt with the mortgage crisis by permitting a significant number of homeowners to keep their houses. They stopped extensions of unemployment benefits, which have been a staple of fighting recessions since I was a boy (in the 50s).
The worst part is that I couldn’t figure out how to benefit myself when I knew this would happen.
The two main components for consumers are food and fuel. What do people spend money on daily?
Let’s see:
clothes?
interest?
consumer electronics?
communications”
entertainment?
their homes?
Transportation?
legal and medical?
All of those “discretionary things” are being cut back on, but food and fuel are rising.. as is everything else with it and so the FED can’t stim this economy because people can’t afford to borrow more to pay their bills. They did that and got into a situation where all they do is pay interest and fees!
Lets see now. We have Bill Clinton, the new third way/DLC dealer and GWB liking Greenspan. And then we have George W. Bush loving Bernanke. The economy is being flushed down the toilet. But who’s to blame? Heck if I know? Things happen.
Hey…
Let the market solve the problem!
Markets work!
Free enterprise!
If you aren’t cut out to make it in capitalism, it weeds out the losers.
Bear Stearns?
Countrywide?
CitiGroup?
Free market?
Yup, Andrew Jackson, where are you?
The Neurastheniacs are killing our economy.
So long as Bernanke is around, we’re fucked.
Oustanding analysis, Ian! You really have a knack for making this stuff comprehensible to those of us not trained in economics or finance.
I also read Roubini at RGE, but I have to admit there is a lot he says that I don’t understand more than superficially. You and he are in agreement on at least the broadest outlines of your analysis, correct?
ian – ignoring for the moment congressional constraints, how free to act is the president and his administration? does the possibility of capital flight (as has happened in other countries that took a path not liked by their elite) a risk? how much can our trading partners and our lenders constrain presidential/administration action?
basically, i wonder how much of the economic fiscal policy is actually in the control of our so-called “democratic” processes.
He’s not called Bubbles Greenspan for nutin. He believe that one bubble solves the problem of the last bubble to bust for the financial sector. Those guys rush in to capitalize everything and make their bucks.. airlines, high tech, housing, tulips, bio tech… where there’s an industry there’s a need for capital.
Send in the bubbles!
but rather then call it a tax, which it won’t be, we will call it “reacquiring assets” which it is
I refuse to allow them the ground that we are taxing them, we are not, we are getting back our assets, they are our, not theirs, they were stolen from us and reacquiring them is not a tax it’s a usage fee
bing
usage fee, there it is, that’s the phrase to use
Ian, Ben just stepped in and “saved” Bear Stearns (for at least 2 days until JP Morgan or someone else buys them). Will he be forced to do so for the other firms out there that are likely in the same boat but just haven’t hit complete bottom yet? I sort of understand the argument that he created a “soft landing” for the implosion, but heck, if Citi, Lehman and others are in the same boat…
And why leave out oil?
Without a controllable oil supply the economy is in the tank.
Nobody wallks in this economy.
So they started a nice war for oil and the MIC made out like bandits. it was patriotic too, they were saving our way of life!
Are we to understand that the primary function of monetary big brains has evolved to decide on how much bogus money is printed?
Yes , the invisible hand. The problem, of course, with the invisible hand is that it is really nothing more than Republican politicians pulling strings for their buddies in Big Business.
Nice, I like it…!
It’s a natural result of the move from rewarding workers to rewarding investors.
Most of them are in the same boat, way way way too highly leveraged.
They all create their phoney financial instruments and trade them around, bidding up the value and sucking off transaction fees.
Example:
New artist in town. Dealer mounts a show and puts some red dots on a bunch of the paintings. People walk in to the gallery and say “WOW this artist is hot, he’s already sold out half the show. This guys prices are heading up. Let’s buy!
Who “bought” the original paintings? NO ONE. The gallery owner fooled ya and stuck a few red dots on some of the paintings. HE CREATED value by CREATING DEMAND for something that HAD NO INTRINSIC VALUE.
That, my friends, is how these “financial markets” work.
Please someone. Anyone. Please explain how you can spend $15,000,000,000 per month on ‘wars’ and cut taxes at the same time and still have a healthy, viable, and a vibrant economy?
And the Republicans are the party of responsible government.
i think i like yours even better.
eCAHN, won’t the high food and, especially, fuel prices ultimately percolate to the other stuff soon enough anyway?
You could spend it if your tax BASES was large enough. But if you “let people keep their hard earned money”… like interest and dividends… then you don’t have much of a tax base.
“Roll overs”. It kills me.
It is not possible, but that now seems clear from our current mess.
And Americans are saving (savings accounts, etc.) next to nothing.
the banks trade in securities that are nearly worthless for paper that is solid,
this post is tops Ian.
because of your efforts, I actually understand everyone’s questions and comments (fantastic, btw)
your explanation on the mechanics of the $800B really shaded in a lot
thank you
And yet the falling dollar will increase inflationary pressure significantly.
Not country food and fuel into the computation of inflation is just dishonest.
It’s no different than using the metric of “who is looking for a job” as a measure of unemployment… or the number of unemployment claims.
The later is really bogus because “industry” decided to turn wage earners into “sub contractors” who cannot collect unemployment benefits when they are not asked to work.
We have a huge pool of self employed contractors who when they don’t work don’t show up in any stats.
How convenient!
He lied. Not sure if he thought he might slide through or not, but if folks think you’re going under, it becomes hard to get good terms on deals.
Americans were taught to do as business does:
Use debt financing to run the biz
Use debt financing to drun your life.
What is good for GM is good for you. Borrow and spend!
And George W. Bush cautions against over stimulation of the economy. I’m not at all sure anymore we can “stimulate” the economy.
Mortgages are only part of the issue, but your plan is a good one and similiar to what I was suggesting last year.
I want the last check I write to bounce.
Bearn Stearns has nothing to sell.
What would you get in a BS fire sale? Useless IOUs and 14,000 employees to pay and rent and other “operating” expenses?
Lending institutions have proven to be not part of the solution.
The R’s wanted to get their greedy little hands on the social security cash… to create another bubble.
The screamed:
Look the market makes you so much cash. Why not let the market grow your retirement pension!
hahahaha
OK, Ian, tinfoil time here. Could part of Cheney’s unofficial visit to the mideast be a quiet attempt to “encourage” Saudi Arabia et. al. to keep their currency pegged to the dollar not the Euro?
And forclosures are 60% higher than last they were measured. 65,000 jobs lost this quarter.
Yeah, you joined us! I agree it will increase it…!
Reminds me of what a friend told me once – he wanted to die with his credit cards maxed out, one step ahead of his creditors.
Oh, I’m not that forgiving of Ben. He’s an inflationist and he’s a conservative whose main reason for being an inflationist is because he wants to bail out the rich so that another FDR doesn’t happen. Bernanke’s a conservative ideologue like the rest of them. He’s just a very smart conservative ideologue. However it’s worth understanding the bind he’s in and how he thinks.
Bernanke’s crusing for an effort to go down as the worst Fed chairman of all time. We’ll see if he makes it, or if he wakes up one night in a sweat and decides to call it off.
Oh my dear–their headquarters building in NYC is apparently currently 1/3 of their actual assets!!! It’s really worth something.
No. Bernanke is as good as it gets. Ian correctly observes that he is doing his best to cope with horrible problems, and unlike doofus the president, picked something and started working on it.
We are facing an economic depression. I don’t care what the politicians and the press are saying.
Someone tell me why if the fed wants to lend money to stimulate the economy it can’t lend the money DIRECTLY to those who will use it?
Why because the middle men can rake off billions every time the gov has bonds to sell.
Has anyone seen their interest rate on their consumer debt lowered lately?
Is your friend Kinky Friedman?
I’ll bet you that they don’t own that building.
LOL No, he’s a guy I used to work with – was my chief steward in the local.
The politicians, when they discuss economics, remind me of the Greeks, who centuries ago, used to argue in caves about the existence of negative numbers.
Wanna see how they make money?
Larry Silverstein took out a lease for the WTC a few months before 911. He paid $15MM at closing and got himself some insurance.
then 911
So he gets his insurance to pay him $7BB and makes a pain of himself and the Port Authority tell him to re build #7 and take a hike. How much you think it cost to rebuild WTC#7? a few hundred million.
Not a bad ROI, eh?
Don’t you just love when a politician or economist tells us it would be fool hardy, for economic reasons, to pull out of Iraq?
Is anyone prepared to exclaim that Capitalism is alive and well in the United States?
Bear Stearns has a great deal of value in a stable market. It handles back office for a number of hedge funds, a very profitable, low capital business. It has a nice portfolio of valuable securities, not mortgage backed, but others. It has several profitable lines of business. Unfortunately, it also has a pile of bad mortgage loans. It is trading at about 37% of its estimated asset base, according to the NYT this morning. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03…..f=business
I only know what I read in the “portal to hell” as Bart Simpson called the Wall Street Journal (this morning)…who knows?
Dana Perino?
In the old days, Bear Stearns would just have failed. The Fed can’t lend to investment banks, only to commercial banks.
By the way if you do have a “new business model” and seek invest from “wall street”. Don’t be expecting to get money at less than 30-40% because you are too risky.
Investments… as they are called on wall street, are nothing more than trading stock certificates already issued in existing firms. These “investments” have almost nothing to do with creating jobs except in brokerage houses.
Back from eating dinner, but will go to my book after this comment. With a weak economy, passthrough of basic materials costs is constrained. Companies raise their prices as much as they can as often as they can, regardless of materials costs.
Someone asked if I “believe” the govt inflation stats. More or less. There are some tricky technical measurement issues, and I don’t always agree with the decisions that have been made, but those are minor for the most part. When they were important I wrote about them at the time. I have asked the person who has the best user-friendly database of govt & other stats whether W has polluted the econ stats & she says no. She would probably notice if there were funny business, so I guess I’d take her word.
As for excluding food & energy, the rest is called the “underlying” inflation rate. As I said in my original comment, it is used for analytical purposes. You wouldn’t want to hammer consumers twice if they already have to pay higher fuel prices because of a supply shock, and then push the economy into recession to get rid of the inflationary inpact of the supply shock. Now if those prices got into the underlying rate, as PhysioProf asks, the Fed might reconsider. But since the underlying rate is so low, the last thing they’d do is target supply-shock soourced inflation.
That ignores the fact that some of the oil inflation stems from growing demand from China, etc., but as that’s outside control of the Fed, it is unlikely to influence their conduct of monetary policy under current circumstances.
I simply do not think that core CPI is a good measure of inflation, and I never have. It is used ostensibly to “smooth out” erratic price movements, but if that’s what you want to do you would simply use a moving average.
Core CPI is what inflation is for poeple who don’t eat, drive or heat their houses. Not a very useful number. Non core is over 4%. And inflation in key items like drugs, food, medical services, gas and so on is much higher. Real street inflation – inflation on things ordinary people have to buy, as opposed to things they don’t have to buy (electronics and household goods) is actually much higher than even 4%.
Is the fed charging the banks interest on these 28 day loans? What is the interest rate?
Back office transactions, is admin work and not the kind of thing that requires a CEO taking hundreds of millions a year.
We have too many paper pushers.
Hedge funds are handing only the money of the uber wealthy… they can’t do their own back office work? Does anyone actually do work or do they all make deals?
The FED has two responsibilities: price stability and steady employment.
13% of our working men ages 25 – 54 are NOT working.
Prices for food, energy, and housing are are all going in the wrong direction.
Bernanke is a fucken traitor.
At what point, specifically, do we say our economy is in deep trouble? When folks start jumping out of windows perhaps?
And 30% of the increase in fuel is from the speculation of hedge funds.
Yea the rich are getting richer on oil future speculation big time.
Who cares if the cost of gas is $5 when you made 10 million today trading oil futures?
and those are the only items that count when considering inflation, people who have disposeable money are actually spending on declinimg prices, people who do not have disposable money are paying more
errr
it should be the oposite
we are in topsy turvy bizarro land
The ‘business of America is business’.
A nasty recession is looking us straight between the eyes. Does someone feel the necessity to dispute this assumption? And why?
Because your idea makes sense, would be cheaper because we cut out the middleman, and would leave Walstreeet responsible for its actions.
let’s see
Oil was $21 a barrel when W came it.
It’s $100+ now. That’s 500%.
Even at the pump it was less than$2 and now it’s pushing $4… that 100% in 7 yrs
Gotta keep that out of the inflation stats don’t we?
I magine for a moment what an economic depression would be like in these times?
Inflation? Is someone arguing we don’t have any?
someone really HAS to find that rush limbuagh clip when he said “if gore is president don’t be surprised to see 2 dollar a gallon gas”
man, we REALLY need that clip
Why isn’t the price of oil and gas linked?
Capitalism is the system that favors capital.
The rich ARE getting enormously richer in the W era.
Mission accomplished!
Oh… it’s just stagflation. Pardon me.
eCAHNomics and Ian,
I bow to your wisdom and thank you for your very astute analysis.
Is someone prepared to argue that the gulf between the haves and have-nots has not deepened over the last almost eight years?
Come on be nice given Helicopter Ben’s current success at handling the economic mess Greenspan left him we should have another FDR sooner rather than later because of Ben’s efforts.
And, ex Bear Stearns CEO Jimmy Cayne just paid $25 million for a condo at the Plaza.
http://ny.therealdeal.com/arti…..25-million
But Bernanke can’t have both those things even if he wants them.
It’s all so tedious. I have to fix an inflated supper.
Sure maybe at a rightwing blog, your not finding any such Suckers here!
Well.. oil needs to be refined to produce other products. And it needs to be transported and so forth. Those costs and all the handling costs make up the price of gas at the pump. Demand also plays a part.
As the price rises at the pump demand slackens somewhat and discretionary use us cut back. Fewer cars come for fill ups and less often. Solution raise the unit price to maintain profit or lower it to lure customers and make profit my moving more product.
People ARE driving less for a few reasons. They can’t afford the exburbs and some are concerned about the environment and using smaller more efficient engines and driving less.
Tee hee..
The government. My COLA (cost of living adjustment) on my Civil Service retirement was 2.3% this year.
While I start fixing dinner, give us some solutions.
James Cayne, who just resigned as CEO of Bear Stearns, has closed on a condo at the Plaza for $25.06 million, according to city records posted today. Cayne stepped down after the mortgage crisis forced two Bear Stearns hedge funds into bankruptcy, costing investors about $1.5 billion. The Wall Street Journal reported that Cayne played bridge and golf and stayed out of touch during the critical periods of the credit crisis last year, which Cayne denied. In 2006, Cayne ranked No. 354 on Forbes magazine’s list of the richest Americans.
Yes and to beg for cheaper oil like Bush did on his last visit. Although to be fair Darth will beg in private and spare us the humiliation of a public rejection.
These guys are worse than used car or snake oil salesmen.
this is simpler then it looks, we need to demand american oil is sold in america, NOT at market prices but a dividend below
Ian, just how bad would it have been if the Fed had done nothing? A few banks would fail, but most of the depositors would have been FDIC insured…
Still a 500% increase for oil and only a 100% increase for gas seems fishy especially when its the gas we went to war for not the oil byproducts like jet fuel, plastic, chemicals etc. I wonder if there is some price manipulation of some sort going on?
They don’t care about the price of oil. They are pleased that it’s as high as it is. It is making the oil industry HUGE profits.
He is trying to not seem like a hapless fool with no control over anything son he asked them to open the spigot to let the price drop so he could get some good publicity and seem like he could do something for people.
Same with Cheney. They simply don’t care about working or middle class people or the price of oil. They simply want these country to sell it to “our” oil companies so they can make the big bucks.
Would you fill up at a station that said Saudi Gas?
Good question what if a few hedgefunds failed outside of the stock market would anyone really be effected?
Most little guys are protected by the FDIC… but many financial institutions would fail and their “investors” are not protected… like the hedge fund investors.
But these bailouts protect the big guys not the depositors like you and me.
I believe it is almost time to turn over the economy to the Democrats.
Lahoma.
It the HUGE profits that the oil companies make.
They are vertically integrated from the well head to the gas pump.
They get to play it both ways and are extracting HUGE profits for selling crude to their refineries which then sell it to distributors and then at the pump.
Cayne walked away with enough money to buy the condo, and afford outrageous property taxes and maintenance fees that would make a red stater’s head spin. That’s the golden parachute that big-time executives have come to expect with guys like Greenspan and Bernanke and other Republican operatives gaming the system.
AP – Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.
No… only a few mega yacht builders and so forth.
you betcha
I gotta walk the dogs. BBL
So the real issue is “no rich people will be injured in the making of this stagflation.”
It could be quite bad, if you get a panic. One thing that may have contributed to the Bear going under is that there were rumors that it was going under, and people started getting thier money out. As people removed money from accounts, that caused the Bear to have even more problems. If that sort of contagion were to spread to the banking system as a whole, or (more arguably) to wall street as a whole, then that could be a huge problem.
However I am dubious that Bear Sterns was too large to be allowed to fail, and given that it’s not a bank I don’t see that it needed to be kept alive. I would not just allow it to go bankrupt, mind you, but I would nationalize it and wind it down. The shareholders would (and should) lose all thier equity.
If you don’t want to wind it down the government should still put it under administration and force out the senior executives. The government then take a big equity stake in the company in exchange for bailing it out (offering to stockholders at a very very low price.) As with the Chrysler bailout, done right, in 10 or 15 years (or even faster if this crisis turns out to be fairly short term) the government would probably even make a profit.
This also has the advantage of letting government regulators run a major brokerage house for a while, which give them a lot of insight into what’s going on.
i don’t think that’s the case. isn’t more that the cost falls disproportionately on the not-rich?
Thanks Ian, that makes sense.
Cahn has pointed out several times that perception is a big factor in the financial sector.
Just look at how they “react” to news. When the news is good, they all buy and drive shares up in value. This is not rational behavior.
So managing the market is about creating good news events to stimulate buys and make people money.
Brokers make out on any sale don’t they?
A year ago the price of crude was basically determined by market fundamentals with transient overlays of speculation. The price of gasoline varied according to season but was always manipulated. The result was that the prices of the two were not coupled directly and could go in opposite directions.
Since last summer (and after an initial spurt in oil prices due to a long overdue correction for the falling dollar), the oil markets have been essentially controlled by hedge fund speculation which has very little understanding for what oil or an oil market is. The result has been a big and sustained bid up in the price. This has brought sustained pressure on gasoline prices so that while there is still not a one to one correspondence in prices between the two both are trending upward (until our economy and likely the world economy collapse into recession).
I was being a little snarky, but if the cost falls disproportionately on the rest of us, and the true value of money/assets are in comparison to others in society, then the rich really would not be worse off, would they?
Perhaps put the Bear Stearns execs on trial. And then there’s Halliburton. And many more ’situations’. Like the Carlyle Group. When corporate responsibility is considered evil and share holder interests are thought of as next to godliness, this is the result. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t mind Bear Stearns going under.
Brilliant Ben will keep Bear solvent on life support but Bush we know will do nothing to fix the economy. So when a new president comes in we can take over all the Banks that Helicopter Ben put on life support. Wind them down and maybe make a profit. Which seems like the best thing we can do.
I thought Capitalism was all about letting the chips fall where they may.
The Carlyle Group keeps saying in every press release that they are NOT LIABLE for losses at their *cough* separate fund but it seems “the lady doth protest to much” you know.
My own opinion is that both Bernanke and Paulson have as their main objective kicking this economic house of cards dow the road for the next President almost certainly Clinton or Obama to have to deal with and with the expectation that it will sink his/her Presidency.
it is ironic that a heavily regulated economy such as exists in China, is doing so well.
Exactly!
Greedism or Capitalism. You decide.
That would explain the difference between oil and gas prices thanks.
Kirk Murphy has graced us with a new post upstairs, for all who wish to know!
To bad all their econoic bombs are exploding early and Bush not Hilary or Obama are getting the blame. Bwahhaha!
I agree we should’ve nationalized it, but, JP Morgan now owns it and is already in the process of spinning off portions of BS…! 8-(
Our economy is just as regulated. The difference is that ours is regulatd to benefit non-productive and wasteful investments.
i like how everyone, reporters included, is calling bernanke-helicopter ben……….
and sander0, i left you a link at the end of pull up a chair.
The Fed should raise rates or at least keep them steady. Such would be a kick in the teeth to the commodity speculators who are running on the backs of the dollar plunge. Too low interest rates were the root of the problem so they cannot fix the problem. Trying to save the un savable, debt worth 50 cents on the dollar, will only make things worse.
In his first inaugural address FDR said, I’ll paraphrae, ‘the money changers only want more credit but it was too much credit which got us into this mess. These people have no vision’
Here here.
Not sure about that:
A trader friend just sent me a comment in which a writer says s/he found the reason Bear was salvaged: In the 2007 10-k (SEC) filing, page 80: Bear Stearns has outstanding derivatives positions with counterparties totalling Thirteen trillion dollars.
Now, as someone once said, $13 trillion ain’t chopped liver. Had Bear been allowed to go, the resulting worldwide effect might very well have been a tsunami of financial destruction.
That said, if a second, or god help us, a third house goes next week, we will likely be in real trouble.
China has some serious issues. Inflation in the coastal areas is running around 15%, for example. It has been run better than the US, but it also has huge structural deficiencies and problems are coming home to roost for thier own policy of running the presses hot so they could buy US dollars and keep the Yuan low as an export subsidy.
that’s what i don’t get.
so, some people want to get filthy rich – why can’t they do it it in productive ways that benefit people?
Just jumped in Ian, after reading the post but not the comments. So, how is it that JPMorgan gets this Bear Stearns deal? You’d think there would be a fistfight between the banks/brokerages for a deal like this.
is that filing online?
Nasty. That’s the problem with leverage and derivatives, ain’t it? They should never have allowed this level of leverage, and everyone knew it was going on. Everyone. Leverage looks great, until someone demands real cash. The entire monetary base of the US is 800,000 billion, and these idiots owed 13 trillion?
Not sure how they were chosen, honestly. Right now the argument is that the Fed doesn’t have the facilities to directly loan to brokerages that aren’t also banks (remember, the Fed is actually a banking institution). It will in a couple weeks, but they aren’t set up yet. So it needed an intermediary who was set up to deal with the Fed.
How JP Morgan was chosen in particular, I don’t know.
I read it about antibiotics and animals???
The other thing to bear in mind is that this is a bailout of the rich. As my friend Stirling pointed out to me the other day, no one has ever taxed the percentage of wealth owned by the wealthy down. Once they lose it in a major market crash, you can keep it to a reasonable level with progressie taxation, but as long as the rich are filthy rich, they’re also powerful enough to stop such things from happening. So until one of these things rips through and wipes out a huge chunk of the wealth of the wealthy, it may be impossible to do real reform.
Of course, if it does rip though it’ll take a lot more than just the rich down with it.
Another Bind.
But Bernanke, who is very conservative, hates that the rich weren’t bailed out in the great crash, and part of what he’s doing is making sure they are bailed out this time.
If bailing them out bails out the economy as a whole, then it’s arguably the right thing to do. But one wonders if it is necessary to bail them and the economy out at the same time, and one wonders if putting taxpayers on the hook for private profits of the investing classes is really wise.
And one suspects that there is so much money hovering and waiting to crash that the financial markets simply can’t be saved and that Ben is throwing good money after bad.
Derivatives are often bets… nothing more or nothing less. So BS had bets totaling 13TT and obviously they expected to win some and lose less so that they make money. If they lose more they obviously can’t pay… Same as Carlyle.
Why are these institutions allowed to bet in the first place? What does that have to do with INVESTMENT and growing an economy?
Per Bloomberg…
So the Fed is going to get all of this mess back from JP Morgan in a couple of weeks. Meaning we taxpayers will get it all back?
Thanks, CTuttle. (I think!) This is all so confusing. But the dems need to let Americans know what is in the future between the election and the inauguration. Perhaps before the election?
I don’t think helicopter ben like bubbles greenspan can save it this round.
We didn’t have all these hedge funds and derivatives which are far worse than all the margin buying in 29. The speculation is way more.
And we no longer have an industrial base.
And we no longer export more than we import.
And we must import energy.
We are a nation in debt, but financial institutions were milking the system with their leveraged buyouts, private equity takeover and resales after trimming all the good stuff.
And we have hooked every citizen on consumer debt
These are different times and the finance boys have been partying hearty. But the piper is coming to call.
The fed can only print worthless money now. Shades of the Weimar republic.
I’m pretty sure not. No. Starting in a couple weeks they can help the next brokerage directly, but that won’t effect the Bear Sterns deal. (They’re currently setting a program and a desk to loan directly to brokerages, which is why it is operationally simpler until then to loan to a bank and have the bank loan to JP Morgan.)
Weimar Republic is one scenario I and a lot of other folks fear greatly for the US.
It sounds like the Fed is taking worthless mortgage SIVs as collateral so the Bearn Stearns can stay afloat long enough to sell it in pieces.
Sorry, here’s the link…
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news…..refer=home
The dollar is tanking daily.
The gov touted that as a way to improve exports.
But it looks like the dollar’s day as the leading currency have ended.
Thanks to Shrub and one of his EO’s, economic collapse can be a COG trigger, and, hello Weimar Republic…!
Directive 51, per wiki…
I believe that they are trying to kick the real collapse down the road for one of two reasons:
To cancel the elections
or
to tank the next administration and do a military coup
The next administration is gonna be in deep do and I suspect all the fact cats will have been long gone with all their wealth offshore and protected.
Yachts float.
I assume so. The comment I cited was sent me by a friend (who was not the writer of said comment). But those filings are public disclosure, in any event.
It may be time to do some parsing of that SEC filing, to look for more interesting tidbits in the footnotes. Bear has always been kind of a bunch of gunslingers, but these numbers begin to be unreal.
And to your #157, yes, yes, and yup.
Selise,
I’ve never had to go look for these things myself. Back in the day, they were just there, available. :-)
Try this site; it promises access to all sorts of SEC goodies: http://secure.secfilings.com/o…..ne=adwords!10020&keyword=%2A10k%2A&match_type=&gclid=CPDYqL_FkJICFSOsGgodn3qM-w
thank you, but the link doesn’t work for me :(
The middle class has already lost out. As housing prices fall, probably another 15% to 20% percent before it bottoms out, we see middle class wealth erode. The ability of some to now leverage their equity in their homes to finance a college education for a child is dwindling. The effects of W will be generational.
Bear 10-k filing , linked from the BSC page at yahoo.
The $13T number is on page 62. But it means something else in any case. BSC is a clearing house; nominally the 13T is balaced by contracts on both sides, similar to, for instancve, the Chicago BOE.
BSC has $46BB in mortgage-backed securities they own outright.
I’ve been looking at the bsc 10-k all night for other reasons. 10-K’s are the best things in the world.
Also, that 10-k is from 11-07. They file next quarter on Monday.
Ah, so 10K + earnings + buyout or bankruptcy, all in one morning. Wow.
Black Monday…?
martha–How it went down I can only speculate, but I’m sure it’s not a coincidence the loan was made a few days before quarterly filing. The belief is that BSC will file for bankruptcy on Monday unless they find someone to buy them.
As for Monday–the visitor meter at calculated risk is over 200 right now. That would be a normal reading for a weekday when the Dow was moderately down. For a late Saturday night, that means a LOT of traders are at their desks tonight. Saturday night. Your guess is as good as mine what that means.
Ian–a tiny nitpick (if I’m correct, that is…) I believe in your post you’re talking about the TAF/TSLF at first, and then the Bear loan second. I believe the two are significantly different.
This I sorta-kinda disagree with–at least in theory. The TAF/TSLF interventions are margin-callable. So if the junk securities are not worth enough to cover a defaulted loan, the Fed gets first dibs on all the other assets of the corporation, and the company presumably goes straight into bankruptcy. (One can ask whether the Fed actually would issue the margin call. I think they’d have no choice, but reasonable people can differ.)
This is why the BSC non-recourse loan is so extraordinary to me. It’s not even theoretically protected. It’s definitely a notch up.
(I do think it’s practically protected, because I think JPM recognizes that right now is the wrong time to be pissing off the Fed.)
Well, it will be interesting. I’m not a complete gloom and doom person. Heck, I own a business for cripes sake. Some people here might think I’m part of the evil empire (!). But, I’m guessing it will be bad. Because what we don’t know is still huge.
I cannot tell a lie–I’m one of those 200 readers *g*
Politics was raising my blood pressure too much, so I’ve tried to pay more attention to economics lately in my spare time. I’m not sure which is worse on my blood pressure. But I’m learning more about economics, which can’t hurt…
Obviously, so was I…
I think it’s interesting that Goldman is “preannouncing” its upcoming writedowns in the UK (Daily Telegraph)…
To recap, by a leading economist:
http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
Rats…link:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/mon…..old116.xml
Watch George Bush speak on the things he thinks government should do. Then go back and read statements by Herbert Hoover under similar circumstances.
If you update Hoover’s language and then conceal who is speaking, they are identical. You won’t be able to tell the difference.
Then look at the studies of the Depression. Much of the severity and length of the Depression is the direct result of the refusal of the government, directed by Wall Street Bankers, to take any action.
I was earlier too…!
Did you hear/read Shrub’s radio address today? I liked Conrad’s response…
I can’t see whether anyone else answered this.
Yes, the Fed does charge interest rates on the regular 28-day TAF program loans (not sure about the special JPMC thingy of this week). The rate for a given borrowing is determined at an auction; the auctions so far have been held twice/month, with the next one scheduled on March 24. The Fed can set a minimum rate, so it’s conceivable that nothing gets exchanged.
Here’s the Fed’s TAF page. Elsewhere on that site (under News & Events) are all speeches, testimony before Congress, and the like by all Fed members, and there’s a lot of data.
See Professor Foland’s comment at 176. The 48bn in mortgage backed securities has already been written down from face, and the question is its actual value. If we estimate 35bn, and add something for the rest of the company, we should see value for the enterprise and something for shareholders.
Congrats on MP ststus.
The Fed put up $200 Billion of the $800 Billion they have. The Bears Stearn bailout could take 1/2 of the whole Fed cash. What about the other investment banks? They will need trillions to make their margins and reserves or cover a bank run.
Then what?
What does the FED do with the bad paper they are getting as loan security from the investment banks that have aquired all this mortgage paper?
As capital is drained from the economy what happens tp capitalism?
When Hedge funds and Investment banks have to restate their equity bottom line…more margin calls from their lenders and reserve capital requirements will force them to sell or borrow (from us the FED) or go into bankruptcy protection court for reorganization of to divide assests to creditors. Huge sock losses can be anticipated forcing the markets below the 10-11,000 levels.
Pension and retirement funds can be damaged as net assest wil not reach to cover promised payments in state retirement funds as well. We have just experienced that in our County. Hold on and get plan B and C dusted off.
thanks prof! especially for the explanation…
Sounds like a lot of rumblings around. And sounds like what would get a central banker out of bed in the small hours and agreeing quickly to this manuver.
But what I wanted to add about nationalization is that it takes some capacity to get it done, which I doubt the Fed has ready; JPMC, who is also reported to be a big counterparty to BS, does have some of the necessary talent on hand, and probably has a line to where they can get more this week on a temp basis.
The Fed might not even have the authority to truly nationalize a whole nonbank company on their own. I can imagine things getting bad enough that they might consider seeking it, but there clearly was no time to do so for this incident. And I almost wonder whether You-Know-Who wasn’t being kept busy last week in part so he wouldn’t notice B-e-n giving a speech Friday calling for the re-regulation of the mortgage banking industry.
Remember last May 21 when the ’subprime problem was largely self-contained’?
Remember in August when it wasn’t? And BS was there early, teehee.
Remember the half trillion $ was pumped into the US credit system to improve liquidity? Fed, ECB, and BoE. Well, oops, it wasn’t liquidity, it was insolvency.
The problem was NEVER subprime … statistically those mortgages were only 6.3% of the total pool. Alt-A and prime and jumbo, though, were hardly in better shape. However, the main problem was and is: “It’s the derivatives, stupid!”
Right now, no one trusts anyone else with iffy CDOs and other ~creative investment vehicles~ on hand.
Mark-to-market rules imposed were not a fix.
Now that Helicopter Ben has some of these unknown unknowns in his paws, I reckon it’s time to start unwinding those vehicles. Dissect the bloody things right down to individual pieces — and then demand the banks buy back what they had wrought! After all, they’ve had a lot of help since last August. Now it’s time to pay the piper. And really, many mortgages dating back years would have been sold on.
Responsible borrowers paying down the mortgages — some would be quality assets, no systemic problems. Thing is, NO ONE now knows who holds what!
Last I looked, five states had knocked back foreclosure attempts, on the basis the plantiffs could not even prove they held the mortgages. Another little wrinkle in the system: assessment going upstream wasn’t done (who needs the expense) and subsequent legal paperwork never happened, same reason.
So, unwind and send back. What ends up is assets of value.
And BS was there early, teehee.
Indeed they were. I must say their mojo has been impressive for about a decade now. Our first hint, after all, of the power of financial derivatives to fuck up the entire industry was the LTCM bollux in 1998. Then, the NYFed stepped in to strong-arm a committee of the biggest banks and investment houses into funding a bailout. Guess who was the one firm of those “invited” who declined to participate? Yup. Got to wonder if Eliot Spitzer could have had more enemies.
So the scene shifts to last year, when those of us amateurs who’d just processed the Credit-Suisse ARM reset graph (March 2008 is month 17) were learning that the real panic was what you get when you contemplate something called CDOs, and who do we find as the first antsy little one to raise their hand for a break, but Bear Stearns.
And here they are now, auguring a new era in lots of things, it appears. With spring training underway you could call it a third strike, except then they might try to come to bat again later. Maybe complete corporate deracination is a good plan for them at last.
Yes, I was talking aobut TAF/TSLF first and then Bear second. My guess is that the Fed won’t be able to recover the value if the people they loan to go bankrupt. I could be wrong about that though. The question with regards to JP Morgan, I think, is what their balance sheet looks like. JP Morgan doesn’t want to piss off the Fed – but are they still really solvent at market prices for their portfolio?
Ian, if Treasuries are being swapped for securities that have unknown value or that may be worthless, wouldn’t that affect the value of U.S. Treasuries or am I misunderstanding something here?
It increases the effective supply of treasuries slightly, but it shouldn’t have a major effect, as far as I can figure (could be missing something though.)
Thanks, Ian. Your contributions here at the Lake are greatly appreciated!
From LATimes, A Walk Down Bailout Lane, brief timeline from the Panic of 1907 the beginning of the Panic of 2008.
Meanwhile, everything they do weakens the US$, which in turn makes the economic situation worse.
You’d think someone would be sounding an alarm. Time to shore up the US$ before it’s worth as much as the peso (no disrespect meant for our Mexican neighbors, but their Government has made bone-head moves that have weakened the peso). Yet another feather in the cap for Bush’s legacy. In the meantime we will all pay dearly with the first reduction in the standard of living our Country has experienced since the Depression.
Now who would take joy in destroying our Economy?
Bin Laden
Castro
Chavez
Kim Jong-il
Putin
King Abdullah
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
and, oh yeah I almost forgot, Bush!
ditto
To recap:
1) Require refinancing subprime mortgages to long-term with fixed rates.
2) Force lenders to accept less profit on those mortgages as penalty.
[ for having put us in this mess. And for having put us out having to go through all this to save their sorry asses. ]
3) Place some limits on hedge funds to prevent them from generating this kind of problem in the future.
Hugh, would you care to specify some hedge fund regulations and what they’re doing that the cure relates to?
The fake Conservatives show their hypocrisy and total LACK of faith in the free-market system. They act like Soviet oligarchs who demand profits during good times and socialized losses.
Where’s the Conservative in America who stands up to them and says they should suck it up and go bankrupt like they are supposed to?
They risk capital and then mismanage it, so why should all of them be saved? I wonder how many of them have preached the free market over the years and now beg for a government ‘bail-out’ (call it Communism!).
First they steal it all from the public with higher and higher prices, but fixed incomes and then credit cards everywhere and now they’re fighting for it among themselves with the oil companies currently winning.
I say we should tax oil industry companies for war-time windfall profits and try to put an end to over-active oil future speculation. That might stop the high gasoline prices.
Then, as others here are saying, let some companies fail because they earned it the old-fashioned way.
Then take the remaining dreck and patch it up as best we can.
Aside from that we need to provide lots of mattresses for the general public, so the landing won’t be so hard for them.
Government should ‘govern’, not control or own or manage. Government should ‘protect’ and ‘enable’, but not save all corporations from their own stupidity and greed.
Normally you’d have some successes and failures in the corporate world.
Inflation may ameliorate the losses, but it’s also a hidden tax on successful businesses. Their profits are suddenly worth less.
It’s like the falling dollar. We don’t have the same buying power, so the same number of dollars doesn’t look worse but really is.
We’re all paying so Bush and his buddies can stay rich, even after mucking it up for everybody else.
Ditto ditto.
But, beware, Bernanke will raise rates the second a Democrat takes office as president. They did it to Clinton and they’ll do it again.
Enroiable!
That’s certianly enough to blackmail the Fed.
I wonder if the Rich who can do so have been converting from dollars to Euros or Yuan or other hard assets to avoid the devaluation (which they knew was happening) of their dollars.
How we gonna tax their ill-gotten gains away from them?
Somehow the image of Slim Pickents riding an ICBM up Wall Street come to mind.
Yeeeee haw!
Maybe Ian or somebody around here should write a post about derivatives and who’s using them and what their impact has been.