and ekunin–from past experience and from this thread, i don’t think reader of tea leaves separates anything, due to her/his insightful view and insatiable appetite for information……….

like you.

i think he/she meant that they didn’t have time right then to dig. that’s how i took it.

archer daniels midland was mentioned.

report from the academy of sciences, researchers from a few colleges, didn’t get them written down.

sorry no links, just heard it, and i know this thread will be no comment soon.

one of my friends was drinking bottled water from fiji—–i said, how in the heck can a bottle of water from fiji be $1?????? that somebody somewhere was paying for it. even with trade agreements, a dollar?

threw me for a loop.

was going to ask my dad about that one……to explain it to me.

oh, and i had to agree, the water was good.

take care

But your topics of pscyhology are important, yet (unfortunately) too far into another topic than I have time for at present 8(

Capitalism doesn’t have to be based on making cars, obviously. It can be adapted to many things. But at bottom, when we don’t PRICE things correctly, we don’t act on good information – no matter about whether our psychology is good, bad, or vicious.

Take a salmon at the grocery store fish counter: you’re paying for the store, the clerk, the middleman, and the fisherman (at least, as far as I can think at the moment). Sells for between $8 – $20 per pound.

Now, take that very same fish and say that some sports fisherman caught it up in Montana. In that case, he ‘thinks’ that he just caught the fish, but the price would include fishing license (some portion of which is supposed to help fund park rangers and fisheries biologists), gas, hotel, meals, sports equipment (rod, reel, etc), vehicle mileage costs, etc… Well, I saw someone do an interesting cost analysis showing that THAT fish actually generated about $400 for the regional economy (assuming the fisherman was from out of state, and not including air fare).
That fish is about $200/pound.

Now, psychology aside, how do you PRICE things so that people actually pay for what they use and what the full impacts of the use?

Arguably, both salmon are seriously ‘underpriced’.
Neither includes the cost of water treatment.
Neither includes the cost of habitat conservation.
Neither includes the cost of fisheries biologists…
I could go on and on…

Psychology aside, if the cheapo loggers, the methamphetamine cookers, and the housing developers actually had to pay the REAL prices of their impacts, they’d have to find better, more sustainable ways to do business. No matter what their personal psychology.

Until things are priced properly, we’ll have fish kills.
The fish are telling us ‘you underpriced me. You wanted me for free, you wanted me on someone else’s dime. You wanted cheap electricity, profits for Enron, fancy cars, and you didn’t want to pay for more habitat’.

Psychology aside, what parasites do is take advantage of opportunities.
We’ve created an economic model that is tailor-made for parasites.
Fish die-offs are a symptom of that failed economic model.

Take the recent flap over HD television formats. This time Sony won, but the waste of the process should be evident to the most rabid Libertarian. Since we are recommending reading material, click on my name, go to my site and let me know what you think of my theory of human behavior.

Yeah, I always feel much calmer when organized.
And putting in a DVD makes me feel like ‘getting organized’ is fun; not a chore at all. Just time to reflect and regroup. Very energizing.

Enjoy!

thanks, yes, it would be nice for it to be organized, will feel good. always feels good to have one more easy to use, user friendly corner in my life.

i quit saving some things just because i didn’t want it to get too unwieldy (sp?)…….and went hunting for that source and couldn’t find it, cuz i didn’t save it…..darn.

yeah, i don’t know how to do the folder-in-the-folder for safari, but have a friend who knows all about it if the help section doesn’t cover it.

and your parasites analogy was dead-on………