Of course, there are those who disagree. These people are, in a word, lunatics. "Cultists" also fits. Or "freaks." "Cretins." "Wingnuts."
A harsh assessment, to be sure, but hey, it's the truth. The stout defenders of the decision to go to war in the first place like to get all upset about the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd, but they're just as far out there, every bit as obnoxious, and have a far louder public megaphone. They're goofy and smarmy like Scientologists, only without Tom Cruise's undeniably excellent hair.
Stephen Hayes, for instance, still thinks there were too WMDS and Saddam & Osama were, like, totally fucking!11!ONE11! Rob Farley's response to Hayes is the correct one, though I'd add that it's pretty funny that Greater Wingnuttia is getting all hepped up about a report that was clearly meant to make the best case for Iraq's Ties to Teh Islamisistic Bin Laden Terr'ists as could possibly be made... only to have the government deliberately sit on the report because the evidence for such a proposition was thinner than Nicole Ritchie right after Ramadan. If this report said what Hayes pretends it does, there would have been a fucking speech from the Oval Office, not just a shriek from the rubber rooms at the Weekly Standard. Duh. Paranoid, ignorant gits.
But Hayes is not the only kook out there. Here's an entertaining giggle from one of the daintier flowers in the Red State chuckle-patch, referring specifically to Hayes' bleatings:
what we do know about the report suggests that those who are so certain the original justification for the war was so fatally flawed that it has rendered the entire enterprise invalid might want to reconsider their position in the light of what we know now as opposed to what we knew in 2003. Based on that knowledge, they might want to give some thought to an alternate history of the last five years--a history in which we did not invade Iraq. Would we now be consumed with Obama's pastor and Spitzer's hooker, or would our attention be on more serious threats to our national security?
Fortunately for all of us, that's a question we don't have to answer.
Never mind all the dead people! The two trillion dollars down the shitter!
Elvis has Saddam's WMD's in Bigfoot's UFO, and they're about to parachute them down on Bin Laden's backyard barbecue on his pool deck. Quick, let's invade Paraguay.
Fuck.
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Aloha, Thers!
Thers! How’s stuff?
Thers may be running a little late tonight so ya’ll are gonna have to make do with me until he can join us.
You’re missing the T in Late…!
refresh and see the T ct
Hey CT! Supposed to a chance of snow in Flagstaff tomorrow. Aren’t you just missing it?!
I wish the Dems [well, Obama] would start hitting the “what could we have done with the $2 trillion we flushed away in Iraq” meme.
Fuck(ed) in spades, no high cards showing. Good evening, Thers.
add another “t” and i’ll have one
Howdy, Ma’am! 8-)
I do miss skiing…! Ya can keep the cold, tho! *g*
Its Lae Ni.
Two trillion, is that a lot?
the title is fixed - but it is beyond the scope of my abilities to change the title in the link for the post.
Maybe it was Lei night in honor of CTuttle.
i could use a double myself
OT
NYC crane collapse.
PhysioProf & I both live within a few blocks.
What I find interesting is that the Red Cross shelter has only a handful of people, despite the fact that buildings containing hundreds of residents have been evacuated. The point being to contrast this small disaster in a wealthy area, where most people have other resources (I’m at my country house), vs. Katrina, where the majority of the victims had no fallback. Quite stark.
Evening all.
Sorry for the missing T, try some coffee maybe?
It’s going to be blamed on the dang libruls, just like Viet Nam. If them dang libruls wouldn’t have turned everyone against the trewps with their negativity we would’ve won. Dang libruls are always against Ameruhkuh. Dang librul media.
hey thers.. *turning reins back over the the crapmaster*
Everything gets served up better with wine.
We need to stop this fucking atrocity now! The bastards in the Pentagon squashed the release of the catalog of all the lies that lead us into that Cluster Fuck… Fucking Bull Shit…!
I have a question: What other foreign policy blunders are in this “worst ever” category. I can’t think of any that even come close. The War of 1812 is the only thing I can think of. Bay of Pigs was a roaring suck-cess by Bush standards.
Oops, sorry for the profanity, I don’t know what came over me…?
Thanks kindly.
We like totally underfuckingstand.
handing ct a box of forks
Viet Nam?
You omitted another of the reasons for the war that did not pan out:
Cheap Oil For US, FOREVAH AN EVAH!!
I remember one of those old necon fools spouting about that to congress before the war (It was one of Rummy’s star flunkies, the name slips me now. He went on to corrupt his way out of job running the World Bank in record time after the Iraq invasion went bad).
Then, after the ‘noble spread of democracy through the barrel of gun’ became the operative reason for the war, recalling the cheap oil reason was considered a vile unAmerican slander against the noble Cheney/Bush democracy crusade, and mentioning it indicated a black and evil heart, an outrage against decency.
But then when documentation came out that getting US corporate hands on all the oil was indeed an undeniable reason for the war, the US corporate media declared that everyone knew that all along, and it there was no reason to discuss it, since it was ‘old news.’
This country and the corporate press is just as corrupt as it was in the old robber baron days. The packaging is slicker, and the it is wrapped up in a friendlier more civilized rationale, but it just as bad. Completely, totally corrupt, a pile of stinking putrescent corruption of mindless brutality, greed and crony capitalism, nothing more.
Worthy of multiple impeachments and convictions for all of bigshots in this administration.
evening thers. howdy y’all
The only thing I know for certain if Bush hadn’t been selected president I wouldn’t be sitting here with a fifth of Jack Daniels and a sixer of Newcastle shaking with rage and frustration trying to type coherently in an attempt to communicate with like minded people in order to feel as though all is not lost.
Can I stick the B*stards with’em…? My Boyz are on the eve of another deployment… 8-(
To where?
Oh, you can read the report. Here it is.
What happened was they were planning to release it to fanfare, to say “SEE! There were too Al Qaeda/Iraq ties!” But then someone must have pointed out that no, it actually doesn’t.
That report is all they have, and it’s spun to make a mountain out of a molehill, and it’s *still* nothing.
That’s what makes Hayes such a schmuck. He’s even more shameless than the Bush administration.
Which is pretty dmn amazing, when you think about it.
Wolfie?
Duh. I forgot that one. And I even just read the article about this being the 40th anniversary of Mai Li. Sorry for being such a dolt. I’ve been away for awhile and was not plugged in to daily events at all. It was heavenly.
Iraq!
Tell em not to go.
forking yeah ct
I was going to say “worst,” but on reflection I’d still say Vietnam.
I am glad my nephew is back.
Evening, TexBetsy. How’s the weather down there?
Beautiful weather Thers! Mid 80’s. sunshine. perfect!
No, we’d all like to forget that one. But I think it illustrates your point, those two disasters are in a class by themselves.
Anyway, remember after ‘Nam how they made all those movies glorifying the war? I think they’re already starting to do that with Iraq. I heard they’re making on right now.
Listen to this. It will make you feel more better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....chive.html
9/11 was an inside job between bussiness partners
viet nam lasted longer - so far. its the advances in medical technology, treatment and faster responses to injured that are preventing this current debacle from having equivalent kia numbers
It was in the 50s here yesterday– we were all ecstatic!
Cheap Oil For US, FOREVAH AN EVAH!!
That was one of the reasons, yeah, but an unstated one.
Even if you give them all the benefit of the doubt as to the purity of their intentions… it’s still unforgivable.
Thank you -yes, it was Wolfowitz, of course. How could that name slip my mind? I remember him testifying to congress that the new free market Iraq oil revenues would pay for the war, and we could look forward to $20 a barrel oil for as far as the eye could see. This was about the same time he pissed all over Gen Shinseki’s prediction it would take between 200 and 500 thous soldiers to do Iraq right, especially after the invastion was over.
I must be getting old, or lost in my reveries about my family’s old timers’ tales about life in Central California back in the old days.
Senate Plane Grounded in Newfoundland — Would Not Start from The Washington Note
in fact 9/11 accomplished everything the boooooshes wanted
Hee hee. We got up to 40 today, and I was happy as anything.
Just want it to warm up enough so the mud dries and the kids can play outside. They’re going a bit nuts indoors, but our yard is a swamp.
I couldn’t think of his name either, but I knew right away who you meant. I could picture him licking his comb.
Hey, in case anybody forgot — your candidate totally fucking sucks!
Red State chuckle-patch
That is Hysterical. Gonna try to remember that one.
Evening Y’all. And, I do mean Y’all.
That said, can I play in your sandbox for a little while?
Where are you Thers?
they did not want the gas and oil to be cheap,that is just what they told us ,to sell it.they merely wanted CONTROL of it,to do with as they pleased,neede our army for that
(((((PaytonsOpa)))))
Stay with us, all is not lost. Lot of us have been through that kind of white hot flaming anger and banked it down to coals, still enough heat to give us energy and passion for the fight.
Hee hee.
Wanna buy a T-shirt?
Hey Demi! You southern?
Upstate NY.
OMG, I just watched Tom Cruise linked through a link. He said absolutely NOTHING about what Scientology is all about. Really weird.
Awesome, Thers! Mahalo, I knew it was only a matter of time… I’ll be perusing it and updating my woefully neglected blog on it…! *g*
best selling job the SCLM has ever done
True– she said McCain is ready to be Commander in Chief.
Thank you that was a very nice song. What helps me a lot and I’m doing it now, is playing Buddy Guy “A Man and the Blues” at about 100dbs.
completely off-topic.
hey is there a DL in Phoenix/Mesa? Love to meet up with some of you reprobates…LOL
Oh, and wingnuts are assholes. What else is new?
I was wondering where you’ve been. Honestly.
Glad you’re back. Did you bring teh heaven with ya?
I spent a whole winter in Buffalo one week.
And anyone who thinks that Iraq will be shorter than VN, no matter who’s elected, is smoking dope. Neither Obama nor Clinton will withdraw for fear of being blamed for the defeat.
What is Scientology?
Jesus to God:
“Scientologists are from Mars, Dad. We checked.”
h/t to Eddie Izzard, my hero.
Ahem. I grew up in Buffalo. Loved each & every snow flake & still love snow & cold.
hahahahahahaha
it is his opium
TRex will probably sport one at eschacon…! *g*
Me too. I lived there till I was 12.
LOL
Nevah. But, ah jest love to tahp with a accent.
Me Valley Girl. Fer sure.
I was worried about you. CTuttle told me you’d been around today. Probably a good time to be out of dodge. Yes. Tells us a lot about our crisis situation.
I earlier heard on a conservative radio station that while LA County spends $800 million on their fire protection, San Diego County spends $8 million. Freaks me out, assuming it’s true.
Thank you for your concern but do not worry this is just my Saturday night. I stay clean and sober the rest of the time and I do participate in the fray. I will not let the bastards grind me down.
Hee hee. We don’t get nearly as much snow as they do, but we get enough…
I don’t mind winter but the 3 weeks or so where the snow melts and everything turns to mud gets on my nerves. The 2-Year-Old walked out in the front yard the other day and the mud sucked his shoes off, poor little guy.
Does that mean you are a flatlander?
I hope so. Looking forward to meeting him.
Here’s a grilled chickenhawk:
http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=210
Where do you live now & what year did you leave Buffalo?
living well (be well) is the best revenge
I am trying to remain on the heavenly plane, but current events sure make it hard. The presidential race to the bottom is really depressing. I need to keep up my chanting to keep our own crazies at bay.
I lived in PA. in the mountains for awhile. I was 35 when I moved there. I had never seen much snow (only in SF and NOLA. I sent my kids off to school bundled up just like in ‘The Christmas Story’.
Ne illegitimis…That was my father’s favorite phrase. Glad to hear you are ok.
Ah lives in da foothills.
Born and bred.
Ders horses and rancheros an stuff.
i will say it….”i never anticpated the dems slinging the mud”
NYC seems to do “disasters” well.
I jabbed at my Houston friend who was telling me about how afraid she is that she’ll be attacked in the WalMart parking lot. Told her that I could bike or job anywhere in NYC without fear.
what i really want to know, did ya have the object d’art commonly referred to as ‘the lamp’?
Viet Nam and Iraq have both been huge a success for the ruling investor class. Neither war was fought to “free an oppressed people” or to “bring democracy to the world.” They were fought and are being fought to enrich the investor class. The IMF, World Bank and US foreign aid are not about helping the population of the countries they infect, they are there to exploit the capital, natural resources and cheap labor for their investors. Iraq’s fate was sealed when Saddam demanded his oil be paid for in Euros vice dollars. The US knew that if other countries did the same thing the value of the dollar on the currency markets would fall. When Shrub says the occupation is progressing nicely, he’s right, from his point of view. We will keep pouring tax dollars into Iraq, which come back to the pockets of the, say it with me, investors. The longer the occupation goes on the richer the investors get. It’s called capitalism.
It’s the same old shit. Follow the money.
cool …me too
Jeebus. I ain’t makin sense. Must be the two glasses of vino.
Ron has been making illustrations for the wine industry. Of course, we have to have a bottle to look at/drink so he can illustrate it.
A tick ready to pop!
Total Truff.
You said it.
(chanting with ya….)
Not yet. I have been searching hi and lo.
yup,and if ya dont think they do black ops in this country,or start illegal wars,think again
Ahhh…that scene with the younger brother not being able to put his arms down is da bomb. Sometimes my son plays that scene out. Being in LA, we never get to do that, so he Plays It.
No apology needed.
A timely Adrenalin OD reference… no wonder you get so many links from Wolcott.
And my kids were really embarrassed. All the other children had on coats. Sara said she couldn’t get up if she fell down. No joke. Well, joke.
So true. NYC is wonderful any time of the day or night. I can’t say the same about Houston.
Eddie Izzard, working class hero w/a brain inherited from Orwell via Spike Milligan…if you ever get a chance to see him live, DO IT.
And why not a little Izzard for the evening, before I go out w/the relatives:
From Dressed to Kill- Easter & Christmas
I have been to Houston. They can’t even evacuate from a hurricane like New Orleans can.
I only sort of agree. I think it really is warmed-over imperialism: bringing the light to the dark places of the earth is a pretty powerful motivation.
Of course it’s tied up with the desire to get rich. But following the money, as someone once said, doesn’t explain everything — only 90% of it.
Venezuela is a paper tiger!
-G
I know. I can’t keep up with ‘em. But then Wolcott also links me to piss off NTodd.
hell no! they come here!
Apparently NYC wasn’t always wonderful, according to reports. But I’ve lived there for over 3 dec