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	<title>Comments on: Petraeus Admits The Surge Has Failed</title>
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		<title>By: getreal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/petraeus-admits-the-surge-has-failed/#comment-1335168</link>
		<dc:creator>getreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stumbled across this site because of your phony headline.&lt;br /&gt;
Then I read the comments . What a diverse fan base. Wow …so many different opinions and challenges.&lt;br /&gt;
I guess it’s just easier to preach to the choir.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stumbled across this site because of your phony headline.<br />
Then I read the comments . What a diverse fan base. Wow …so many different opinions and challenges.<br />
I guess it’s just easier to preach to the choir.</p>
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		<title>By: GregB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/petraeus-admits-the-surge-has-failed/#comment-1333825</link>
		<dc:creator>GregB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yer doin’ a heckuva job Benny.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-The Decider&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yer doin’ a heckuva job Benny.</p>
<p>-The Decider</p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/petraeus-admits-the-surge-has-failed/#comment-1333822</link>
		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;but to get that profit, you have to survive the risk of losing your entire investment…which is what Carlyle just did on those bets of theirs with the hedge fund. (At least, that’s my thumbnail understanding on this, someone correct me if I’m wrong here…)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And a good thumbnail understanding it is. I would just add the importance leverage plays in all of this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s say you invest a $1 in something and make a nickel in a year, a %5  return. Nothing great, but a positive return.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But let’s say you could &lt;strong&gt;borrow&lt;/strong&gt; $32 dollars against that one dollar, and still make a nickel per dollar.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now you have made $1.60 from your dollar investment, or &lt;strong&gt;160 percent&lt;/strong&gt;, not 5 percent. Even after paying the bank interest for the cost of borrowing the money there is lots left to pocket for the managers and investors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OTOH, if you &lt;em&gt;lose&lt;/em&gt; %5, then you’ve lost $1.60 which is more than the $1 dollar you started this investment with. You now have to come up with sixty cents &lt;em&gt;just to walk away from the transaction&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is obviously a gross oversimplification to get the point across, but it’s the essence of what’s happening with Carlyle’s troubled hedge fund.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but to get that profit, you have to survive the risk of losing your entire investment…which is what Carlyle just did on those bets of theirs with the hedge fund. (At least, that’s my thumbnail understanding on this, someone correct me if I’m wrong here…)</p>
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<p>And a good thumbnail understanding it is. I would just add the importance leverage plays in all of this.</p>
<p>Let’s say you invest a $1 in something and make a nickel in a year, a %5  return. Nothing great, but a positive return.</p>
<p>But let’s say you could <strong>borrow</strong> $32 dollars against that one dollar, and still make a nickel per dollar.</p>
<p>Now you have made $1.60 from your dollar investment, or <strong>160 percent</strong>, not 5 percent. Even after paying the bank interest for the cost of borrowing the money there is lots left to pocket for the managers and investors.</p>
<p>OTOH, if you <em>lose</em> %5, then you’ve lost $1.60 which is more than the $1 dollar you started this investment with. You now have to come up with sixty cents <em>just to walk away from the transaction</em>.</p>
<p>This is obviously a gross oversimplification to get the point across, but it’s the essence of what’s happening with Carlyle’s troubled hedge fund.</p>
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		<title>By: sadlyyes</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/petraeus-admits-the-surge-has-failed/#comment-1333819</link>
		<dc:creator>sadlyyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;anytime “G”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anytime “G”</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/petraeus-admits-the-surge-has-failed/#comment-1333797</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;sadlyyes!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the wonderfully therapheeuuuuwwwwtic conversating.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sadlyyes!</p>
<p>Thanks for the wonderfully therapheeuuuuwwwwtic conversating.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/petraeus-admits-the-surge-has-failed/#comment-1333794</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey eCAHN!  Play “bejeweled 2″ with the sound WAYYYYYY up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for askin.  We’re fortunate hangin in here, compared to so many.  For them, I just ache.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I’m so senseless, I literally had knee replacement ops 4 X (early in the decade, don’t ask) with only local spinal block, joking thru the whole of it with the anesthetist &amp; not even teh sedative.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No sense, plenty feeling.  I want our country back from these goons.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey eCAHN!  Play “bejeweled 2″ with the sound WAYYYYYY up.</p>
<p>Thanks for askin.  We’re fortunate hangin in here, compared to so many.  For them, I just ache.</p>
<p>And I’m so senseless, I literally had knee replacement ops 4 X (early in the decade, don’t ask) with only local spinal block, joking thru the whole of it with the anesthetist &amp; not even teh sedative.</p>
<p>No sense, plenty feeling.  I want our country back from these goons.</p>
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		<title>By: sadlyyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>sadlyyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hahahahaha&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/petraeus-admits-the-surge-has-failed/#comment-1333786</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bush is divorced from reality. He’s so divorced that reality is now demanding alimony from Bush.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LOL&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush now talking about the estate tax.  Sort of reinforcing your point.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bush is divorced from reality. He’s so divorced that reality is now demanding alimony from Bush.</p>
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<p>LOL</p>
<p>Bush now talking about the estate tax.  Sort of reinforcing your point.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/petraeus-admits-the-surge-has-failed/#comment-1333782</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush who is spending $12 billion a month in Iraq is accusing the Congress of wasting some of your money.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush who is spending $12 billion a month in Iraq is accusing the Congress of wasting some of your money.</p>
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		<title>By: GregB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/petraeus-admits-the-surge-has-failed/#comment-1333780</link>
		<dc:creator>GregB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Jeff Gannon’s press conference term describing the Democrats fits his man to a T.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush is divorced from reality. He’s so divorced that reality is now demanding alimony from Bush.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-G&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jeff Gannon’s press conference term describing the Democrats fits his man to a T.</p>
<p>Bush is divorced from reality. He’s so divorced that reality is now demanding alimony from Bush.</p>
<p>-G</p>
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