The president of a slaughterhouse went to Washington this week to testify about what exactly he was injecting into the foodstream. Not good things, as it turns out
The president of a slaughterhouse at the heart of the largest meat recall denied under oath on Wednesday, but then grudgingly admitted, that his company had apparently introduced sick cows into the hamburger supply.
He then tried to minimize the significance.
The executive, Steve Mendell of the Westland/Hallmark Meat Company of Chino, Calif., said, “I was shocked. I was horrified. I was sickened,” by video that showed employees kicking or using electric prods on “downer” cattle that were too sick to walk, jabbing one in the eye with a baton and using forklifts to push animals around.
The video was taken by an undercover investigator from the Humane Society of the United States. One tape showed a worker using a garden hose to try to squirt water up the nose of a downed cow, a technique that Representative Bart Stupak, a Michigan Democrat who conducted the hearing where Mr. Mendell testified, referred to as waterboarding.
Testifying before the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Mr. Mendell, who appeared only after being subpoenaed, assured lawmakers that despite his lack of knowledge about conditions at the plant, sick animals were not slaughtered for food, so no safety issue existed.
But Mr. Mendell retracted the statement when shown a second video in which a “downer” cow was shocked and abused by workers trying to move it to the “kill box,” then finally shot with a bolt gun and dragged by a chain to the processing area.
When Mr. Mendell told the committee he was unaware of the abuses, Mr. Stupak asked him, “What’s your curiosity, as president and C.E.O. of the company you’re responsible for?”
Mr. Mendell replied that after he had seen the first video, he concluded that “it was a regulatory violation, for sure, it was inhumane treatment, for sure,” but that he did not believe it was a food safety issue until he saw the second video on Wednesday.
Mr. Stupak asked if one could conclude from the video that the cow dragged into the killing area had gone into the food supply.
“That would be logical, sir,” Mr. Mendell replied.
Mr. Mendell said he had asked for a copy of the second video but it had been refused. The president of the Humane Society, Wayne Pacelle, said, however, that the video had been on the group’s Web site since Feb. 19.
It gets better
Of the 143 million pounds of beef that were recalled, about 50 million pounds went to school lunch programs or federal programs for the poor or elderly, Mr. Stupak said. But the recall covered all the meat produced for two years, Mr. Mendell said, so most of it had already been eaten.
The biggest threat from “downer” cattle is mad cow disease. The chairman of the full committee, Representative John D. Dingell, also of Michigan, said the incubation period for the human form could be 20 years.
A little background on the Bush administration’s proud history with mad cow disease here and here and here and here, although not if you haven’t eaten
But wait. It gets better than that
After the testimony, Mr. Mendell’s lawyer Asa Hutchinson, a former member of Congress from Arkansas and former under secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said that Mr. Mendell still did not have all the facts about the events shown in the videotapes.
That would be former impeachment manager Asa Hutchinson, a man charged with protecting the homeland from all enemies domestic and foreign, even the really little ones that turn your brain into swiss cheese.
It’s instructive, I think, to see what Mr. Hutchinson had to say about telling the truth when the issue at stake was covering up consensual sex rather than the potential transmission of a fatal disease to hundreds of millions of those citizens least able to protect themselves
On the impeachment that shut the peoples’ business down while we pondered in pornographic detail the issue of consensual sex
The purpose of this process is to examine the public trust, and if it is breached, to repair it,” said Rep. Asa Hutchinson, a Republican from Arkansas.
On saying The Thing That Is Not True under oath
On the contrary, I have a great deal of trouble in lowering the standards to say to future presidents, "Lying under oath, no matter how often and no matter how intentional, is considered acceptable conduct."
Well, woops.
At least there are only lives at stake.
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Julia! Aloha!
Hey, you. (srecond!)
excellent post julia – i’m not sure how much more of these atrocities i can stomach
meat for the masses!!
Mad cow disease is no fun. Death proceeded by gross neurological decline. I have seen it.
Sorry for the OT, but I can’t resist: on the BBC News website, one of the current headlines in their “crawl” is “US says it captures a man who helped Osama bin Laden escape in 2001.”
For both Ms. Redshift and me independently, our first thought was “They captured Bush?”
Just don’t tell me about caned salmon. I’ve not eaten beef for quite a while.
Downer cattle have been slaughtered for decades. This is nothing new.
The meat lobby gets to run the game.
All the regulations which were used to protect us have been kicked to the curb and heaven knows what we are getting in our food and in our drugs. Don’t these people realize that they are eating the same food as everyone else?
UC extension in Sonoma County has started a “Meat Club” for locally produced meats. It works a little like a CSA
http://groups.ucanr.org/LocalMeatProd/
Maybe once we sign onto the rome statue.
Hypocrites. So many hypocrites. If less time were spent on entertainment and more time were spent on news, we’d all be better off.
Nice one, Julia.
Don’t eat meat. Then you don’t have to be associated with such cruelty and subject yourself to disease.
Yeah, I’ve seen it, too.
Hey tw3k … what do Cows with BSE look like ?
… hint … link your McMadCow’s thingy … *g*
How and where?
gawd, I hated seeing Asa’s sorry ass during his role as a house manager, I see he’s still capable of screwing us over…!
it does not matter to them – they have the money to purchase only the very best from the most highly regarded sources and prepared exclusively for their use.
not their problem is what they think.
The Bush Administration prevented cattle ranchers from testing for mad cows disease. Prefuckingvented.
OT: Don’t Laugh
ROFL
Mrs DWDD is a MT/ASCP. She reported to me that she is aware of a patient dying of “Mad cow disease” in Western Michigan although there has never been any public acknowledgment of this fact. . . I wonder if this is true in other parts of the country?
sh?t, now i gotta go find it ;)
The total average time a household watched television during the 2005-2006 television year was 8 hours and 14 minutes per day, a 3-minute increase from the 2004-2005 season and a record high. The average amount of television watched by an individual viewer increased 3 minutes per day to 4 hours and 35 minutes, also a record. (See Table 1.)
denied under oath on Wednesday, but then grudgingly admitted,
No possible perjury charge, then. One can recant what one said earlier, under oath, if it’s still in the same judicial session
Doesn’t necessarily make him less of an asshole, however…
stuff like this reaffirms my vegan/raw lifestyle and tht politicizing oversight agencies is going to kill us
rofl, looks like imageshack upgraded php.
My first husband got sick. On his death certificate it says whatever the scientific term for mad cows is. Later after the autopsy they couldn’t determine exactly what is was. It was horrific. He was only forty.
yay! they fixed it fast :D
McCow!
i am so sorry mary mcc
According to the US Energy Information Administration, Saudi Arabia’s highest oil production was in 1980, when it produced 9.9 million barrels a day. Its recent peak was in 2005, when it produced 9.6 million barrels a day. In 2006, Saudi production dropped to an average of 9.2 million barrels a day. In 2007, production from February to August was only 8.6 million barrels a day.
Meat is my favorite food. And I am too old to care about mad cow disease. This is one time when the next gen must take case of itself without my help.
Actually it was Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease which is very close.
(((marymccurnin)))
Wow, BCE is the acronym, my condolences Mary…!
Always glad to be Abbott to your Costello … Moo’s on first ? *g*
Wow! So sorry Mary!
goddammit. Somehow it seems that the worst stuff happens to the best people. (Hugs).
It was along time ago. 19 years. I seldom bring it up but feel safe here.
good one but out of respect for Mary i’ll not laugh.
OMG, where are we headed tonight, Petrocelli! *g*
Very tough, Mary.
So sorry.
Laugh!!!!!!
Yeah, that’s pretty much what I think.
Safe red meat costs (in our local markets, at least) 3-5 dollars more per pound than not-safe meat, leaving alone what they serve in fast food places.
In a world of $400 shoes, I guess that’s not a problem for people who can afford $400 shoes.
Oh mary, i’m so so sorry.
Just wanted to make sure everyone saw the cover of New Yorker this week.
God, I’m sorry. I hear it’s a horrific thing to be close to.
{{{{{ Mary }}}}}
lmao!
I have seen all side of medicine. My husband was a doctor. We got married when I was 19 and he was 20. I did the “put your husband through medical school” thing. I have send what doctors go through, what families go through, and what patients go through. There are heroes everywhere. And I have always believed in universal health care. Both of my kids are in medicine. or will be when they graduate.
That’s cool!
I’ve seen a couple of people with CJD and it is painful, especially for their loved ones …
yep saw it
My theory is that Rethugs deliberately pursued Bill Clinton to the nth degree so as to so mentally exhaust the public, to cause such impeachment fatigue, that no future legislators would want to subject the country to another episode again for decades to come. Looks to me like they pretty much succeeded. We must keep a strong majority in the Senate, because Rethug legislators will not be so reluctant to attempt it again with another Dem Prez.
What does that mean?
Absolutely right, health care and education are not privileges, they form the fundamentals of human rights …
semi sorta topical news post in the news box
Yeah, one of the worse things to see happen is to see a loved one loose mental and motor skills.
Both of my kids are in medicine. or will be when they graduate.
Mission accomplished then, and bless ‘em.
dugg
Aiieeeee.
We used some of those products on HM when she was a baby.
(breathes)
I, too, am very sorry this happened to your family. Where did he acquire the disease, if indeed that is what it was? And when? On this continent?
Bummer. But I’ve gotta say, I’ve never heard of Kiss My Face.
take several slow deep breaths, julia. is how i try to calm down
Julia, was this man from the meat packing plant under oath when he testified before Congress? Can the Congress do anything to him for trying to lie his way out of the whole thing?
What I would like to see for these yehoos who think so little of the public safety is to also call all their family members, kids, grandkids and plunk a plate of their specific food and ask them…… “would you feed this to your family?”
Kiss My Face is a popular semi-generic alternative product around here. They stock it at Duane Reade, which is the drug store on every other corner in NY
It’s sad that it had to be a private entity to conduct the testing…!
San Luis Obispo county 1987. He was an e.r. doc. There is some thought that he was contaminated in the e.r.
Yo Suz – found the John Prine/Bonnie Raitt version of Angel from Montgomery, and left it at the bottom, downstairs….
And thanks for staying up with me last night – I owe ya one.
(correction) – (”A *big* one)
Yes, he was, but apparently that doesn’t help, dammit.
Ha, ha Hillary is closest to the red phone! Does that mean she is symbolically the President?
Hey Julia -
Thanks for the post the other day on Chaney, Goodwin, and Schwerner. It was beautiful and moving.
Keep up the good work!
twas my pleasure and thank you
Damn. That last was meant to be a response to Twain @ 65
Aw, thanks.
Yo Suz, wassssuuuppppp!!!
Sorry I missed it in your post – reading too fast. Thanks
(arms folded across bazooms and right foot tapping)
i’m still waiting to hear what the doc said, jayt
laughing my ass off
Good evening dear friends. Yet another reason to go vegetarian, grow your own food, or move to Europe.
What’s this tornado in Atlanta? Is anyone down there tonight?
Raven talked about it.
Oh Mary! So sorry to hear it.
gah, that stuff tastes like soap!
What the amniocentisis(?) results… ;-)
TRex is safe.
Oh I used to use that when I lived in NYC.
It’s a tad early for the amnio.
But it’s a Progressive for sure.
Maybe, after the Pastor Wright issues of today, huh?
who is pregnant?
CNN is covering it live. Tornado hit downtown Atlanta. Damaged CNN building and the big sports arena there.
JayT…! ;-)
Tuttle, you wanna take it?
a vegetarian snack this evening!
JayT’s a female person???
Saw yours on last thread, but as it was loaded up anyway, I still left you a little something. Ciao.
Yeah, he probably sneezed.
Heh, nope, it’s an immaculate conception, among other things…! 8-)
Yeah, really, looks like FOX News is now on a mission to prove Obama lied and bring down his campaign for the presidency. They did a full hour on Hannity and another half hour on Greta repeating the major Garrett interview. This is not going away soon for Obama.
Why on earth would you submit yourself to that drivel…?
JayT’s a female person???
first, it’s jayt (no cap’s, in proper modesty)
And though I am unrepentantly male, there seems to be a cse of immaculate conception goin’ on here, which bears watching…
Just tell me when the baby shower is and I’ll bring cookies and cake.
can see why they like it.
See what happens when you miss a few days at the lake…. clueless is what I am….
BTW… last night went to see a new documentary called UnCounted with Rep. Conyers, Brad from Bradblog. VERY good and if you get a chance to see it in your area please do…..
UnCounted the Movie
morning sickness sucks, btw…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0U5fld9HDYw
Oh nooo, let’s not rehash the shower arrangements, pretty please…? ;-)
I didn’t know that you knew Rep. Conyers and Brad. Did you guys carpool?
I need to show this to mr wobbs but there are small farms not too far from us that raise and slaughter their own meat so that is an alternative. I just don’t plain eat it or dairy
Well not on Fox it won’t. I don’t think the other networks are going to stay on this forever
Oh, YES! And I’m not even vegetarian, but have days of veggie craving.
nothing wrong with a fresh kill.
Actually I do know Brad Freeman…. Met him years ago and he has been investigating fraudulent election that occurred in my district. Had dinner after the event with the director and others after the film
I’m in Atlanta, but ok. Just a huge amount of rain. But it came really close to where I am. I was checking out the info online.
a report:
~~By Bus Driver
I’m across the street from Kennedy middle school in Vine City, not far from Downtown when it ripped through here. It’s down trees and power lines. It flipped several cars. It pulled the roof off of the apartment building across the street. The playground that was at Kennedy is GONE!!! It shook my house twice!!! God just stomped through my neighborhood.~~~
{{{Mary Mac}}}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ATrQNFGfI
agian, vid sucks, but the music’s there.
And fuck Nazareth – this is how it’s supposed to be done.
Keith did it too, to try to get out the word. Why isn’t the Hagee, et al diatribe getting the same coverage. (Don’t expect you to answer that.)
At least it’s getting out now. I sure hope there isn’t some other surprise coming out in October…
Cool!
Don’t worry – next week they will discover that Hillary wore white shoes before Easter and they will be off and running.
I love the Everly Bros.
The second largest cattle ranch in the US, Parker Ranch is here on the Big Isle, all are free range and grass fed… The largest ranch is King’s Ranch in Texas… I do love a thick juicy steak…
that is what he would say, lol
The documentary is about Election Fraud…. from 2000 to 2006…. about the more than 57 ways they used in Ohio alone.
Tornadoes scare the crap out of me. Tornadoes and earthquakes.
well at least they’ll have to admit that he’s Christian. He can’t really be simultaneously a Muslim and have a lefty Pastor can he? Or am I giving the loonies more credit than they deserve?
On the last thread, I mentioned that AC 360 was showing Hagee and Parsley’s greatest hits… Unfortunately, Tony Perkins was one of the panelists…!
If anybody uncovers or can prove an instance where Obama was pyhsically present at any of those inflamatory sermons Wright gave after he swears he was’nt, it will turn into a shitstorm for the Obama campaign.
okay, the lil buggers are finally done with Risk, now it’s cards and domino time
have a good one, pups
Me. too. I went through both a tornado and a earthquake (not a the same time) in Memphis in 1974. The earthquake was small.
Brad Freidman has held this bit in his teeth for years, ultra-devoted to it.
He’s at the top of my donation list.
and since I now seem to be in a Gram/Emmylou mood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7w8vIVnVhc
until it happens, why obsess over it?
lol, act of god that cnn gets taken out?
I don’t know. Call me crazy, but I listened to all of those clips that they’re playing over and over and over again, and as far as I can tell, everything the dude says is right the fuck on.
McCain has been swift-boated before, and he can be swift-boated again. If necessary, the Dems need to play as dirty as their opponents.
Hadn’t even thought of that crime! They’ll probably even catch her without gloves and a hat on Easter morning if she’s not careful.
Aloha, wobbly!
Sounds like a must-see, katymine.
earthquakes are not predicted regularly as twisters now are
g’nite wobbly
Totally!
Heh, poetic justice? ;-)
Don’t need dirt. There’s plenty of truth to use.
Oh, the shame of it all. Women are so unpredictable.
I’ve been in two small earthquakes and I don’t want to be in a third.
Never a tornado though, thank gawd(ess)!
Did you expect fair coverage? *g*
I’m afraid that while we don’t see this Pastor business as much, many will. I’m disappointed that Obama’s campaign didn’t get it out first.
been in quakes big and small – small is just less sucky
sang- yeah, my mother’s house is 3 miles from the epicenter of the 1994 Northridge quake. I learned that if one has never been though a disaster of this or another kind, ya got no idea!
:>
Whatever works!
If these assholes start taking down our candidate with lies, fair is fair. I’d like to avoid that shit, but …
Whew, ain’t that the truth, we never see it coming…! 8-)
Have fun!
well sh?t, IRT McCain it’ll telling truths to all the lies fabricated by the media.
It was a serious screw-up that they didn’t. At the very best, it takes away the Hagee-attack against McCain.
I’m a lot more worried about Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson right now than I am about John McCain.
Wow! I really like Bradblog too, and haven’t visited in a long while. It’s much more readable now without the green background.
Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson, and Lanny Davis are truly evil people. But apparently KO intimitated them.
Tornadoes scare the crap out of me.
Me too, which is odd, because in general I’m not afraid of anything. On account of I. Just. Don’t. Care.
(except about tornadoes, evidently)
Earthquakes are just annoying.
newt- I have enormous respect for Brad- that was my first encounter with blogs online. Yep, he’s someone I send $$ to, because he works terrifically hard, and lives hand-to-mouth. He has done great stuff, including his broadcasts from Camp Crawford- I was totally transfixed. I listened to it all, mostly in real time. He did some brilliant reporting and interviews from there.
Speaking of which, I like Think Progress’s new look!
I was here in Los Angeles for the Northridge quake. Scariest thing I ever went through. Oddly enough though I woke up about an hour before the quake hit and made a fresh pot of coffee, then went back to bed. When the quake threw me out of bed at least I had a fresh cup of coffee waiting while I pondered what had just happened to me.
jayt, i guess you don’t live in an earthquake zone or else you would not think they are just annoying
Exactly, Suz, I’m no fan either…!
lived in L.A. for four years – one knocked me right out of bed on to the floor one night – pissed me off…
Hi jayt – hope your doc had good news today. You did go – right?
he ignored my nag about it doc
I hate earthquakes worse than hurricanes. I was in the ‘89 quake and one in the early 80’s in SF. I was downstairs at Mount Zion Hospital in the kitchen next to cauldrons of soup.
They started swaying.
That tornado wrecked some havoc, with a bunch of injuries too! 8-(
It is nice. Seems like it’s been a while since the nice new makeover here!
hence my nag
(hey, this may be my only chance to play “good cop, bad doc”)
Yep…. a couple of us took him aside and said….. lets make green an accent… and scroll down to the posts from Phoenix… going to have to rip him because he didn’t mention that my DFA group sponsored the event…
Hey, I love it. Just today, yes?
(slapping blackjack named thumper into palm of other hand) whatever you say, doc
ummm, about that….
Spent the entire day in blessed, golden, uninterrupted, and unfortunately unaccompanied, sleep.
oops.
If you eat animals, you are a part of this torture to the animals, and you are making yourself sick eating fat, and poison, antibiotics, growth hormones, heavy metals, chinese plastics and fibre board, other animal parts not fit to feed to your cat or dog. Ah, but lest we forget, the crap de jour, regulated fecal contamination from the animal you are eating, insects and rats.
You would have to wake up to the slaughter that goes on for you, in your name and in your stomach. Try killing your own food for a day or a week. Be sick about it. It will help you stop thinking it is okay to murder your fellow earthlings. Let’s make it to the next level in the food chain. You know it might just help stop other talking earthlings from killing as a matter of habit? We are among the unique animals. We can choose a diet that doesn’t include the dead.
My gumby-sense (similar to spidey-sense) tells me jayt saw no physician today.
Yep, they unveiled it today!
You got sleep! That’s gotta help. I must’ve caught yer insomnia today though…
…I think I liked it better when YOU had it!
I think it was kind of a huge missjudgement by Obama when he told Anderson Cooper he did’nt think the thing with Wright was a very big deal so he did’nt feel the need to address it right away. Obama said he was in Washington busy voting and missed seeing any news in the past 24 hours. Makes you wonder where his advisers were during this time.
ok.
I really like the color on various posts (NO, I didn’t say color coded) and really like the little top left 3-D boxes (what should I call them?). A great site.
Ok as well. Mary, tell me a little about ocular migraines…
jayt, please do call to make an appt. if you find yourself short of breath (even with 101% on your pulm function test) or with decreased exercise tolerance, please do stop by the ER.
ya see, bilateral swollen ankles can be consistent with fluid excess: either too much in yuor body, or your body not being able to move it around properly.
I’m hoping and assuming the cause is benign (hey – maybe it just those unhappy ankles from B-Ball), but also want yuo to be well. SO please do make an appt with your doc – you’re worth the bother!
I love pork chops. Bacon. Steak. Chicken. Fish.
But you’re right, if I had to kill the animal, I wouldn’t be eating it.
You got sleep! That’s gotta help. I must’ve caught yer insomnia today though…
…I think I liked it better when YOU had it!
Yep. Feeling more or less human again.
And what can I say? I share….
(sorry about that)
mmmmmm. I wrote you about it last night. I will go back and find it. Figured that you had left.
sigh – putting thumper back in his hidey hole
Since Obamas reverend quit.. I suggest he put back on his uniform and tell all the Hagees, Liebermans, and Bush’s to serve and stfu with their dreams of Armegeddon.. But that’s just me.
ATTACK!
Mmmmm
I feel like a steak!
I’ll bet they were watching to see if the story would die it’s own death, and once they figured that it wouldn’t, figuring out how Obama should respond. He did a good job, except for the uncle part, imho.
Thanks, I did have to go…work, that darn thing that always interferes. Sorry to make you repeat.
I feel like a steak!
funny – you don’t look like one…
Here it is.
Migraines can come in three forms.
Migraine w/Aura
Migraine
Aura
Aura is another word for ocular. You have weird things happen in your vision, have trouble with word retreval, and your hands, arms and or mouth can go numb. If you get the headache is comes after the aura. It hurts like hell. It can ruin a day or a few days depending on the person. When the pain is over a general sense of well being happens. My theory is that you are really happy cause your head doesn’t hurt anymore.
Usually none of this is dangerous. There are a ton of meds for migraines. I am allergic to ergotomine tartrate. Makes me see stuff the same way lsd does. I take immitrex.
Pastor’s on a sabbatical.
Thanks doc!
Our friend jayt could use some good natured bullying! Everyone join in!
Woohoo!
Hey you!
Hemorrhoids a’comin!
Sometimes I feel like a steak, sometimes I don’t ….
And what can I say? I share….
I was wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyCERZBxv5Y
come on, he’s knocked-up.
Baked potato with everything, and a nice salad! (My leftover taco didn’t really cut it tonight.)
Well, he’s getting his message out, Huffpo, Fox, MSNBC, CNN…!
Close enough.. now put on the Marine uniform and fight!
even more reason for him to see the doc
watching an animal die convinces me of atheism. eating it makes live.
For my friend who died of it, all the doctors said they were pretty sure that’s what it was, but they didn’t have a definitive diagnosis, so that’s not what the official cause of death was. He had traveled quite a bit in Britain, and probably picked it up there.
Hey you!
Hemorrhoids a’comin!
Shit. And I thought the morning-sickness was bad enough…
D’ya all ever play paintball? ‘Nuf to make you give up your pacifist credentials.
Wow, thanks so much. I think that no one has told her about what to expect. And, of course, she only has University insurance now. My vision is horrible, and I fear for hers.
jayt- you outta know that we are gonna keep on at you until you see a doc, or can report no bilateral swollen ankles for 6 mos running.
eating it makes me* live.
Mine mostly went away after mentalpause.
As a nurse who had my own medical adventure not too long ago, if our body is giving you a symptom then you need to follow up on it. You owe it to your self, your family and it could be something simple but could be serious.
S’up pups?
-G
Did it suddenly get hot in here, or is it just that time of life?
I just figured your due-date…
November 4th.
Thank you for doing that! Makes it so much more readable.
And I thought it was me.
I am definitely a pacifist.. But putting on the uniform and marching onto the television would be an excellent pivot and attack by the good minister.. Let’s never forget, and never stop reminding the wing-nuts who’s foul deeds and failed killing strategy got all of us, black, yellow, and white in this sinking ship.
Yes he can!
Aloha, GSD! Chalk one up for ‘We the People’, eh? ;-)
Valerie just sent me a text saying that jayt needs to see a doc. She didn’t say how she knew…
Really!? How interesting. I’m a DES baby, and no one will know about our condition until after menopause either…and I’m after…
We’re hounding jayt to see the good doctor.
But seriously, did you ever play paintball? I was amazed at my inherent aggressiveness. Part of understanding your enemy, especially necessary if you’re a pacifist.
Ooh, low blow…
jayt
Go to the ER, if you can’t make it to a doctor on your work schedule. I had swollen ankles upon waking up in the morning, and they found it was due to high blood pressure. Wasn’t lung related at all. I got treated, took a couple of hours.
The cost? You can pay them $5 a month.
we do watergun wars and i am as competitive and vicious as anyone else.
Migraines are for women are often about hormones. I had my first one when I was 7 months preggers.
You are probably right, but this is just a window into the future of what the general election will be like. No matter what the scandal of the day is, it’s how the candidate handles the damage that emerges from it that will be so closely scrutinized. Obama did pretty well on FOX but he seemed a little rattled by some of the questions. At least he went on FOX and faced what they had to throw at him.
hey margot. how are you?
It’s that Alpha femaleness in ya! ;-)
I just figured your due-date…
November 4th.
Cool. Day after my son’s birthday, and a day before Guy Fawkes’ day, which is *my* birthday.
I feel like nesting….
Yep, your inner monster (to coin a word).
You funny.
Swollen ankles Jayt. Bloods’ not getting to where it should, get thee some treatment…..Please.
As far as Rev. Wright, I call his anger righteous indignation.
-G
Hey Betsy!
Never had the opportunity nor would I be inclined to do so.. I refuse to allow sports like football cross my television screen, due to the violent nature. Fully rejected that stuff from early on in life.
I am however a hunter.. Nothing quite like knowing what must happen in order for food to hit the table.
Valerie just sent me a text saying that jayt needs to see a doc. She didn’t say how she knew…
That goddamned Joe is starting to seriously piss me off….
Loo Hoo, CT, Jayt and gang.
The Bank Job was a good film. It is worth a look see.
A- rating.
-G
have the doc check your blood pressure while you are there, jayt
OMG my workweek is over! I seldom get full 5 days weeks at my job, but egads it’s tiring when i do.
Can you imagine if BHO said that. It would be great but prolly lose him the eletion.
and the election.
Heh.
My guess, is that I’m more male than female despite my chromosomal composition (used to spread chromosomes in late 1960s, including my own), preference for male sexual partners and hormonal tests to the contrary notwithstanding. Lack of discomfort in an aggressive male environment is the evidence.
hey alias
Aloha, alias! TGIF!
Bovine spongiform encephalopathy
Gotta really respect him for taking the heat right off the bat.
128 over 80 – just checked (I have, historically, run real hot, so I got a thing to check it)
hey alias. have a great weekend!
have you been elevating your ankles and if so, are they still swollen?
Barack Obama is a good man. His ego doesn’t run away with his brain.
That could be a good indicator, maybe we should ask Doc Kirk for a second opinion…? ;-)
Hi alias! Better in the paycheck department, though.
That’d be BCE! I wasn’t even gonna attempt it, I knew the bovine part…!
Nothing like diagnosis at a distance! *g*
What about ice? It’s the miracle drug.
the migraine should hit around 3-4 am …. having the Aura right now, right eye…. Zomig works for me….
i have only begun to nag…
well, i think all my stress and anxiety symptoms will improve monday morning at 8 when texteen starts back to school.
Hey – I played basketball, *serious* ball, for about forty years – til the Wheels went flat.
My ankles have every right to be swollen and generally pissed off, I think.
Gotta say though – I do miss showing up at The Court and being the only white face there…
(lesson learned – play – don’t talk)
From the Mayo freakin Clinic
Ice, ice, ice, nag, nag, nag …
I mean you have Pat Robertson blaming gays for 9/11 and calling for an assassination of a world leader….That’s batshit nuts and should be denounced and repudiated.
Rev. Wright, white America sure gets frightened by angry black men…………Boo!
It’s kind of pathetic.
Pretty soon we’ll be warned about angry black folks dancing in the street.
-G
Oh crap. Get off the tube. But you know that.
baby girl added magnesium supplements to her diet and had a significant reduction in her alice in wonderland ocular migraines. she was part of the CHIMP studies on childhood migraines and magnesium was shown to reduce severity, duration, and frequency of migraines and she also had fewer bounce back migraines.
This is the perfect talking point for Progressives…
with some minor modifications.
Oh definitely. It’ll help out while i’m hiring freeze limbo and searching for another job.
Oh, i find i tackle my problems in a more male way, oddly. At least by western standards. I take on the problems head on, i’ve never let them be handled by someone else i if i can help it. Asking for help with finances when i’m up a creek is another one of those situations. Pride in that independence of mine is there, and damned hard to get around in those situations. I can ask for help at work, but it seems like this one thing, it’s harder than hell to ask for help from my parents.
well – maybe if there’s a doctor in Memphis…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJzY36Wm_r0
Pedal Edema…. caused by some drugs, Heart failure, impaired Kidney function… these are serious things….
‘S funny in the EU they most certainly do not ‘run the game’.
I think it has something to do with this…………..
This is slight modification of some I said earlier today.
American doesn’t like to see agitated black ministers rile up their congregations cause it reminds them that black people should be pissed. It is ok for the white ministers to do it because it isn’t scary to them
There goes the weekend…… f**k…
Just ask Frisk. In fact, let’s review who voted in favor of Terri Schiavo as a well individual.
174 not voting including my beloved Issa.
feel better katymine
Try getting health insurance coverage with ‘elevated BP’…..
Go ahead…just try.
I can’t speak to the issue of notifications about that patient’s death from “mad cow disease”.
On a more general level, mad cow disease (MCD) is one of a number of diseases knkown as TSE’s (transmissable spongiform encephalopathies). Transmissable is fancy for “spread by contagion”; spongiform is fancy for “looks like holes”; encephalopathy is fancy for “severe brain disease”.
So much of professional training is learning the fancy jargon for simple concepts – helps with beiing precise, but tends to obsccure the meaning. Sigh.
Anyway, WTF does this have to do with “mad cow disease” and Michigan?
Well – here’s teh takehome message: deer and elk have their own version of “mad cow disease”.
Yep – the infectious agents (proteins known as prions) that cause the TSE disease we know as “mad cow” cause TSE’s in deer and elk (both part of the group of critters known as cervids. The fancy anme for TSE in these critters is chronic wasting disease.
From what I can find in a cursory search, cervids with CWD haven’t been detected in Michigan, but have been detected in Wisconsin.
Soo …when hearing about “mad cow disease” in humans, it may be worth thinking about at least three possible causes:
(1) spontaneous mutation
(2) inherited (genetic)
(3) transmitted (infectious).
The foregoing (well, the latter) explain why some small meat producers will insist on controlling their herds in order to prevent introduction of TSE containing–creatures. Failure to do is suggested as one cause of spreading CWD among captive elk herds – and, of course, of spreadinng MCD among cattle.
The meat producers who control their herds to avoid TSE’s will speak of “closed herds”.
Hope this is of interest.
PS – What’s the plural of moose? mooses? meece?
PPS – More on TSE’s here. Good summary.
CJD was once something that people who ate sheep’s brains as part of things like “Head Cheese” in their diet.
Nowadays it’s most commonly transmitted by human growth hormone (hGH) products, corneal grafts, dural grafts or electrode implants (acquired or iatrogenic form: iCJD). There is an inherited or familial form:(called fCJD). Sometimes it may appear for the first time in the patient (sporadic form: sCJD). In the hereditary form, a mutation occurs in the gene for PrP, PRNP. Acording to the CDC 10% to 15% of CJD cases are inherited.
The disease has also been shown to result from using hGH drawn from the pituitary glands of cadavers who died from Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, though the known incidence of this cause is (as of April 2004) quite small. The risk of infection through cadaveric hGH usage in the US only ceased when the medication was withdrawn in 1985. It may be that some recent illegal acquisition of foreign hGH has occurred with the desire of athletes to improve performance or growth.
Kirk…the plural of moose is “moose”. Isn’t there some pretty good evidence that prions are more easily transmissible across taxa than many viruses. Thus if the individual was a moose or elk hunter they might have consumed some infectious neural tissue. Or perhaps cattle consumed some elk or moose carcass. My understanding is that cattle do, on occasion, eat the carcasses of other cattle. So a wasted deer might be incidentally consumed.
Thanks cinnamonape! I’m ignorant about the relative transmissability of prions vs viruses (but I’m interested). Tonight I did see a refernce discussing that passage through ferrets apppears to allow increased (across species) prion transmissability.
Unfortuntately, even cattle too fastidious to eat carcases may still be exposed: “road-kill” deer and elk go rendering plants…which turn them into animal feed.
Yum, prions.