Login HereIt would be great if the DNC thought better of having opinion media, Fox News, run the pool for the convention in Denver.
I mean, it's not like there won't enough to worry about, right?
As a footnote: I'm watching MSNBC. I swear they have run that Jeremiah Wright clip at least 10 times in the past half hour, so I'm not sure there's that much daylight between them and Fox at the moment.
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It’s the strategy of ‘88, when Atwater said they were going to make Willy Horton Dukakis’s running mate. “Smear by association”.
You can almost see the strategy: “let’s make Farrakhan into Obama’s running mate.”
Truly unbelievable. I’d never heard that one and I hear a lot of them down here where the devil went. That’s WAY over the line, even for them.
huh?
Halfrican? If I’m not mistaken, Julie Banderas is not 100% Latino.
I.would.not.believe.this.if.I.did.not.see.it.with.my.own.eyes.
How lucky I am I don’t get Fox News.
nice to know that the talking points, makes me sick
In calculus terms, they are rapidly approaching that limit.
Limbaugh has referred to Obama as a ‘halfrican’.
-G
Obama posts at Huffpo
i have such an issue with that word…halfrican…wtf is that suppose to mean? excuse me but that shit just pisses me off as an american and as a biracial person
Imagine Walter Cronkite saying “Hafrican”? Or Jim Lehrer? One has to use an inverted miracle image: Fox news is like a toilet that can never be filled. The clip is almost sublime, it is so offensive and puerile. But hearing Russert ask that same Farrakhan question/accusation at the debate, almost verbatim, now that is the most sickening thing of all.
*ndfg waves at Biodun* sorry to go OT immediately, but at noon we had a mini-meetup of FirePups and i felt very smug having lunch in Minneapolis’ warehouse district with two extremely handsome, articulate and progressive guys.
A big thank-you to Jane and the wonderful forum she has established here. It was one of the lunch topics *g*
Wow, one of the best fox attacks vid yet!
Here is direct link to petition.
so, how mamy people think this bigotry campaign will work for them or against them.
I for one think it’s going to be affective
MSNBC has succeeded in making Hillary out to be the Evil Witch, and now they are getting away with painting Obama as the Evil Black Man. They are paving the way for McCain to waltz to the White House.
sorry Obama, posts at Huffpo
Shouldn’t post without my glasses on.
This DNC agreement with Fox, is that set in stone? How the hell did the dems agree to THAT?
I’m not a media “nuts and bolts” person, but does this give Fox News control of important aspects of the coverage? Lighting, camera angles, sound, etc.?
Knowing all they do about Fox, how could the DNC agree to this? Who is paying whom?
Damn, one more item on my “worry” list. :(
I think that he can win the presidency regardless of this crap. There are enough intelligent people that either know this is shit or can be convinced of otherwise
Addendum to my last post: the clip itself is great (bless Mr. Greenwald once again). What the clip documents, that’s the stinker. I had about four hours of sleep last night. So I’m not so coherent.
But you know what, I don’t think the American Public -as a whole- has the stomach for this crap.
In recent weeks, too often, some people have cheered MSNBC, even when they seriously breached journalistic standards, because it was done at the expense of a candidate they did not favor.
I have tried, perhaps, without sufficient clarity, to warn that in time the bad journalism practiced by MSNBC would be employed against Obama. It didn’t take as long to materialize as I thought.
So do people actually buy this racist crap, or are these tactics going to backfire on them?
toob: Language is a virus
I think you’re right. I think people are getting fatigued, as a whole. Hope so, anyway.
I live in Pa and got a call yesterday afternoon from a woman supporting Hillary Clinton. It was a very interesting exercise on her part as I (thanks to FDL and Glenn Greenwald and the rest) am up to date on the latest correct information. She threw in all the right wing dog whistles. It was obvious to me that she had been primed to send everyone she called to that clip of Rev Wright. She saw no reason to be offended by Geraldine Ferraro. I finally said that I was offended by her(the womans)remarks. One of her interesting points was that I was better informed than most. I am grateful to you all that I am current on my facts. In my opinion the woman represented the narrow minded closet biggots that are being targated now by such calls. She was calling from a toll free number.
…it sure was fun…we’ll do it again soon!!!!
was waiting for you to show up. Cheered MSNBC, um no just KO so how does that equate to cheering for the network. Oh, I’m still waiting for that link where to back up your stating that Wright was still spewing his crap.
“They are paving the way for McCain to waltz to the White House.”
McCain is going to have his own macaca moment when he blows up on live teevee. When “temperament” becomes the issue, Obama wins every time.
He better figure out how to deal with it. It’s going to be multiples worse if he’s the D candidate.
Being a 1/2 breed is not a sufficient condition for admiration obviously. But it is not any kind of condition for disrespect. In most, if not all cases it’s grounds for pride. The same as being a full breed. I am a half breed. I am not ashamed of that fact.
Kiddo and I support Senator Obama.
Lahoma
I think some will buy into it and others will be sicken by it. Look at our own party as an example. Many were turned off by the race baiting going on and some actively took part in it. In the end, I think most americans will see it for what it is (a pig dressed up and wearing lipstick is still a pig)
I have been loathe to critique the Clinton campaign, but while I expect this sort of nonsense from Fox–a widely repudiated news source–the positions and subtle innuendos of Clinton’s surrogates and advertisers (that black boy is not the one, America, to protect your sleeping blonde little girl at 3 AM from the (Muslim–I have no reason to believe he is one) evil doers (”Shame on you Barack Obama,”)–have opened the door for these disgusting and mendacious hounds to validate themselves. What’s more the worst of this is that it defuses what should be right now a hard hitting and in your face detailed critique of our Iraq policy by both Dem candidates, in that the promotion by others of brown man and islamo phobia memes are the very bait and switch John Mc Cain must base his campaign on. I can not believe no one within the party itself isn’t pointing out to these candidates the hole being dug.
I posted it on the thread.
I hope you are right, but in the sixty minutes interview they acted like McCain’s temperament was one of his great attributes. Kind of like Bush’s cowboy image early in the 2000 campaign.
When I see Obama, sure I see a person of color. But more than that, much more than that, I see a man.
My grandmother is half african and half german (in brasil) and race mixing is pretty common in Brasil so if it weren’t for a bunch of folks who were down with the swirl, I wouldn’t be here. Mr wobbs (100% english) says one of the reasons he married me was to muddle the gene pool *g*
Jeremiah Wright…hm..somehow I like that name, and that’s the only thing I like about him…should the US have bombed Hiroshima? Should the US have bombed Nagasaki? Should 19 religious nuts have rammed two planes into the World Trade Center? The answer is a resounding No to all three preguntas…
I was just watching hardball and Mathews is really trying to smear Obama with his pastor’s words. Apparently when they taped the show Sissy was unaware that Obama has denounced his pastor. It seems to me there are certain things missing from this narrative-1) We don’t even know if Barack was even present for some of these sermons. 2)The pastor has given a sermon a week for 20 years, and they have excerpted a few lines from what could be thousands of sermons. Are there other sermons that put all this in another light? 3) Did Barack ever say anything like this? If not how is it that he has it hung around his neck when he didn’t say it? 4)I thought he was a Muslim last week in which case this Christian stuff shouldn’t have anything to do to with him.
I look at persons, I see full human beings. Only when I have allowed fear the upper hand have I seen a “half-breed.”
Work with me here, I said recent (it’s flipping March) as in out on the trail saying all the drivle that he was spouting off in the video.
Let’s just see what he says when he hits the tv circuits.
How often have the run Hagee and Parsley clips?
But if this is going to distract the campaign, have the man step down
Obama says he wasn’t in his post at HuffPo.
Yes, I realize these campaigns are packaged for teevee, but all the best advance men and women can’t predict or control what will happen during a live debate. I think Obama (or Hillary) will be able to get under his skin.
Oh and btw, while we’re all coming out, I’m a half breed too. Half latino, half gringo. Chingon!
sorry, don’t wanna sound so effing paranoid, but at this point, if there’s a corporation behind ANY media outlet, I don’t trust ‘em. Amy Goodman, I trust. Hartmann, Seder, Malloy, I trust. a handful of blogs, I trust. the rest, Olbermann included, throw us the occasional “liberal” bone just so we think there’s some hope.
yah, yah, I know. pretty effing paranoid.
Pardon the OT, this came from Webb:
Here’s the WaPoo’s take on the secret session last night:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....803.html?h
You are right on the money CitizenE. I can see Karl Rove saying to himself right now, “All I have to do is convince white voters that if a black man becomes president, they will become second class citizens.”
half bredds, quadroons, heinz 57 folks, unite!!!
I mean c’mon isn’t this whole country pretty much a bunch of mutts?
The media has been playing it up that the reason Senator Obama has been doing so well is that he has been drawing on his support along ethnic lines. That may be partially true, but a lot of white folks have been voting for this man too. And will continue to do so.
rofl, way to go Blunt, fear mongering asshat.
yeah, but these same people will say it’s ‘white liberal guilt’ that’s already been tossed about on the blogs (mydd)
Racially “pure” folks, whatever that means, are an extreme minority in this country.
Christmas 2007 isn’t recent? Come on.
Why not simply agree with me that it is unfair to hold candidates responsible for comments made by people who are on the periphery of their campaigns?
I’m Homa sapien myself
That one caught my eye, too…! Bwhahaha… ;-)
Yes, I am aware of that reactionary view. Happy tgif!
because I don’t agree it’s not the same taking the comments someone made in December 2007 and hasn’t said a word since then (if you have other links to show he has been out and about defending his comments, link me up) and comparing it to someone who KEPT ON saying it over and over going on every news show from here to eternity to defend comments that were racists.
Funny how (but not funny ha ha) citizen participation, members actually reading the bills, and full and open debate has changed how the House works since the Republics LOST the 2006 election.
To you all as well ;)
There’s only about 400 ‘pure’ Hawaiians left, here in the Isles, and most of them live on Ni’ihau, the ‘Forbidden Isle’…
Obama is cool under pressure, smart, articulate and very aquainted with the issues. Plus he was against the Iraq war from the start. Those are pretty decent creds. A fairly good beginning. I’d say
And proud of it!
It pisses me off as a human being.
This is merely an extension of the campaign that has been run against Sen. Obama for a long time now.
Make him appear ‘Un-American’ and appeal to the basest instincts of scared white Americans.
The Clinton campaign is hoping to push all of the white voters in northern, border and western states into a Southern strategy mindset with the hopes that all will be forgiven once the general election rolls around.
It is madness.
-G
I love that I’m racially ambigious (they know there is other stuff involved but can’t figure out what *g* ) well that is until summer and I turn bronze
Yes, Obama is an excellent candidate.
My best friend is Hawaiian “he calls himself a coconut head”. And let me say Eddie is one of the smartest (far more intelligent than me, seriously, he always got better grades than me), and toughest people I have ever known. We’ve been best pals since the third grade. I love this man.
People in this country need to grow up. The schools should be teaching WHY people have different colors of skin. The reasons are quite interesting and I think would make our citizens understand that we are all the same. Hopefully?
I figure in about another generation or two, it won’t even matter. I mean think about how this has to be explained to children and how some poor child of color might feel bad about their own skin color (something that they have no control over) because of this stupid crap
stop making sense
hahahahaha !
Rather like how I try to explain some of the discrimination against women in the previous generation to my daughters. You could go to a certain college but only boys could get in early decision, you couldn’t enter a particular library or be in the marching band if you were female. And they just look at me like I’m speaking from the planet Mars.
Needless to say *they* don’t feel we should elect a female president just because of her gender, or to make up for past discrimination, or because it’s our turn, or it’s time, or any other foolishness. We have succeeded, and the younger generation looks at merit alone.
the last Tucker! Yeah! Good riddance..
We have seen the moron media go full circle.
Obama has gone from not being black enough to being too black in a matter of around 6 months.
-G
They just don’t see the irony of their spewings.
What a riot!
Who knows. One day after the President Obama term ends, we might even elect a Native Indian woman president. Are you hearing me Chief Wilma Mankiller?
Oh this I must watch. Will he cry?
Yeah, it’s Fucker’s last show. Naturally he opened with the Pastor Wright clip.
Good riddance, Fucker.
that is the beauty of it, isn’t it that it (gender, race/ethnicity) is/will no longer significant.
My great grandparents weren’t too thrilled at having ‘mixed’ grandchildren but fell in love with them and could no longer tolerate anyone saying anything bad about black people because by proxy they would be speaking about their own grandchildren.
Since I didn’t come from a conservative christian family, no one explained the importance of racial purity to me. Wouldn’t you know that I would go and marry outside of my race and even have children.
Monday, we race to the White House with David Gregory. Dull.
Obama continues to gain on Clinton. His pastor’s words are going derail him unless he can defuse it. Obama has posted a reply on Huffington Post and he will appear on Countdown tonight with Olbermann.
I believe we all know the style and substance of FOX — and they are increasingly irrelevant.
now Lanny Davis is buttering Tucker’s toast…
Caca Carlson….smell you later.
-G
Yes. And we’ll soon be angry street dogs, if they aren’t careful. Obama has never hidden his mixed ancestry, so it is perfectly appropriate to note it…respectfully. But to create terms like “Halfrican” is clearly designed to demean and mock people who are of mixed race. Most Mexican-Americans are of Mixed ancestry…and increasingly proud of their Mestizo origins. Genetic studies have shown that up to 10-15% of the self-identifying white population has an African ancestor in their past within the last two centuries. It’s more if you consider groups like Native Americans.
If Fox and MSNBC want to play this game then let them face the consequences. The vast majority of people under 30 don’t carry this racist baggage…especially about miscenegenation…and will react against the efforts to win elections using this putrid history.
BTW These are the same sorts of tactics that the Serbs used in Yugoslavia, and the Hutus used in Rwanda to foment genocidal war.
Lanny Davis hearts Tucker; perhaps he should have stayed home to watch instead of tirelessly appearing every day. He could have single-handedly doubled Tucker’s ratings!
this is going to be the lead on every news show and rightly so. I’ve read Obama’s post over at huffington and see that he will be on all the major networks this evening addressing the situation. But if Wright is a distraction (and he is going to be) I say he remove himself from the campaign thereby allowing both candidates to get back to boring us to death with debates
Lanny’s right, though: at least Fucker let’s people finish their answers. Nice slam at Tweety.
It’s true- Tweety’s even worse than Fucker.
Both Hillary and Obama are doing pretty well, all things considered.
I’d like both to hang in there as long as possible.
Golly gee, I guess msnbc & fox just plain ran out of time to run Hagee & Parsley clips. Yup, that must be it.
A shamefully underreported niche! Thank jeebus we’ll finally have some coverage of this presidential campaign.
buttering his toast..that is a nicer way of saying what I was thinking
Yeah, I think it’s getting a little silly the way all three of the major candidates have to keep renouncing the people around them. I wish we could call a three-way truce on this shit and get back to the issues.
Yeah, Karl Rove will be his first “special guest.”
let’s hit McCain, he’s got nut cakes on his side aplenty
Matthews show should be called Asshat.
He thinks yelling is enlightening.
-G
Do you remember hearing about Maria Tallchief? My mother told me wonderful stories about her.
My Sister, who doesn’t suffer fools gladly, attended a party where the celebrants felt compelled to discuss their lineage. After the usual European and some amount of American Indian, this being fashionable at thr time, they proceeded around the table. When it reached my Sis, she told them, “Half German and half white trash”. I understand it took some time for conversation to resume.
How else can he keep his audience awake ?!! *g*
Some celebrity brazilians were tested to genetically trace their ehtnicity and many were shocked to find out that they had black ancestory
more here
ROFL that is AWESOME
All of that ethnic mixing is prolly why Brazilians are the most gorgeous people on the planet !
jeez, now Tucker has Marion Barry on as an “expert” on entrapment, to talk about the Spitzer mess.
That’s our Tucker … showing once and for all that NBC was totally justified in turfing him …
I tend to agree, we exude a certain something that I believe is the result of that. That is in part why i wince a bit when I’m asked what am I. why can’t we just be who we are and not have race be a factor
Marion I-got-caught-by-the-feds-with-crack Barry? That is just so wrong on many levels
I think Jon Stewart summed it up best when it comes to Tuck!
Muslim didn’t stick, now Christian zealot isn’t going to work so I predict Jewish sympathies are up to bat now. Of course that won’t work either. I think there is a good chance that Zoroastrianism could work, but by then the election will be over.
I am Indian (ancestors from India) and when people ask me where I’m from, I tell them Toronto ! *g*
They’re usually taken aback … then I tell them that the great thing about Toronto is, people don’t care where you’re from, they take you on merit …
I couldn’t take F*cker anymore, watching the Beard now! Gregory is not a suitable replacement to Tuck, either…
Hah … Jon put such a beating on those fools and showed them for what they are, pretentious and idiotic …
The GOoPers are gonna have a tough time sticking Obama with the left wing atheist label now.
-G