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conservative means to me…me and my family GOT OURS….you can go F yourself mightily

Conservatism is the flaming sack of shit some prankster left on your stoop.

what do they conserve
the enviorement?
health of the constituents?
the value of our currency(snicker)
food supply safety?
price of staple foods?
hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I always go back to what I perceived as the major difference between Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.

Carter tried to force us to live up to our professed ideals, no matter how hard it may be.

Reagan made folks feel good and OK about their hates and prejudices.

Or to put it another way: “I got mine, feck you.”

I think we’re using the same dictionary.

ive got it…their securities portfolios ( only if they bought precious metals) snicker

great to use your head as a stepping stone on my climb to the top,
now DIE!

and that is why i support Obama…he actually LOVES his wife and kids,you can see it….he will make this world better for all of us,because of this supposition imo

Conservatism has stolen the toddler’s creed:
What’s mine is mine.
What’s yours is mine.
If I want it, it’s mine.
If I can see it, it’s mine.

oopsie # 9 was to address you m’dearie

This definition seems to be one of conserving one’s own wealth and privilege with no regard for society as a whole or anyone else.

Speaking of which, has our Ruling Aristocracy emerged from their Super-Secret Closed Session to announce that, without saying who-voted-how, they’ve decided to demonstrate their strength and independence by capitulating entirely to the White House?

If conservative dogma were not simplistic, requiring no thinking, Bush would not pretend to be one. Even he has standards.

Conservatism is the belief that society should be dominated by an aristocracy.

Blunt has super secret info to bring to the secret session.

we should post the Country Wide mofos pathetic performance in front of congress last week…let me try to find it

Interesting…the “conservatism” I’ve witnessed in the White House over the last eight years has been a ‘one way, our way, or the highway’ kind of attitude. Huh. I had no idea the “conservatives” liked listening to more than one idea. I thought anything that spewed off the forked tongue of George Bush & Dick Cheney was the law?

barry goldwater could explain it better than anyone, and even he didn’t believe the crap coming out of his piehole. The people of this country showed him what they thought too.

Conservatism is the belief that society should be dominated by an aristocracy.

Isn’t that straight from the Republic Party Platform?

There was a time when “conservatism” and “liberalism” and “federalism” and “American republican democracy” ALL included a sceptical view of the idea of giving all authority to a unitary executive to do whatever he or she wished, without oversight, review, or accountability.

I will grant, however, that there have been times and circumstances where monarchy was the conservative position. It seems to be the government of choice of the “federalist” society. It hasn’t worked well for us.

conservative…means to conserve sometin….what the hell do they conserve if i might be so bold?

AWESOME clip, Jane!

Steve Marriott was TEH AWESOME!!!

lol No, they have to pretend to believe in democracy, but it’s what they really think…

Really? Liberals loved the idea of having the president and the VP have all the power? Wow. Do you have a link?

Conservatism is like a form of mental rheumatism.

found it
great fukkkkkkin tan,musta got a new yacht

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYMmVHVHqRs

Kay I think you need to re-read what was written. He said that they all looked skeptically at the idea of the unilateral decision making.

What I was trying to say that there was a time when all corners of American thought–even the former so-called GOP–were AGAINST one-person rule. Not that liberals were once for it, but that conservatives were once against it.

Today’s conservatism to me is the rotten food at the back of the refrigerator that’s stinking it up and you have to throw out.

Traditional institutions and beliefs, or so they say.

TP has an excellent post up about the secret session…

In reality, the session is not a “candid debate.” Next week, the House is scheduled to go into recess. The Hill reports that the conservatives are organizing the session in order to “delay” Democrats’ FISA legislation, raising the possibility that nothing will be passed until after break:

House Republicans had been seeking the closed session to delay a vote on a new Democratic FISA overhaul, unveiled Tuesday, and discuss its national security implications.

http://thinkprogress.org/

Oh yes. Now when I reread it I see I skipped over the word I had no idea what it meant. LOL

Nevermind, BCinIllinois. *blushing*

Thanks for the link.

I’m not so sure that’s a tan. I think he just sprung a leak of that shit filling him up.

Or ”Hold What You’ve Got”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HI77iqjucA

Bob in HI

He’s exactly right – conservatism is the political embodiment or pessimism.

Sorry. I get your meaning now. LOL I deal with right wing trolls everyday on my blog and they’ll say things to make themselves feel better. In other words, they will tell me that liberals have always liked the idea of the prez having all the power or they’ll say the liberals are really the ones who are the fascists and the Nazis of WWII Germany. See? Some days I’m on the defense as you can imagine. :-)

define traditional….haves and have nots

Sometimes the snake eats it’s own tail though.

Republican Party Hit By Fraud

Apparently the RNCC’s Treasurer also went by the philosophy “If it’s there, it’s mine”. Looks like they lost over $750,000 three years ago and $1 million two years back to this guys “creative financing” system. Perhaps he was doing this for a lot longer. It’s apparent that he was siphoning money from the RNCC accounts to illicitly (in violation of Federal Campaign Laws) help out local political campaigns. Much of this was simply unreported. But a lot of this money was shunted into those “independent 541 Committees” (i.e. Swiftboaters). How much of this was actually “authorized” by others in the party, and at higher levels will be very interesting.

In addition he was skimming off the top of these transfers and putting some $350,000 into his private accounts.

How much you wanna bet that this stuff was not just some rogue money-manager doing this. What embezzler would shift money to off-book groups that would send up a “red-flag” if caught by legitimate auditors. No, he knew that his colleagues would keep the transfers “secret” and wouldn’t report them simply because doing so would expose their own malfeasance.

it is ,looks like he just did 2 weeks,in Tortola on the yacht

Hastings [D-FL] gets Blunt to say that the secret info for session comes from Blunt. says he won’t attend. Right on!

When Bush/Cheney are just a bad memory, they will all deny having supported or even voted for them.

Roy Blunt has the classified information and is demanding the secret session.

Alcee Hastings not going to the secret session.

The guy obviously forgot to pay tributes to the Bush family so someone turned him in.

Kaptur [D-OH] totally calling Blunt’s bluff.

Things as they have been…including the haves and have nots, IMO.

OT: I wish C-Span would initiate a audio commentary track. I hate that stuff goes on that I don’t understand. Can’t MoveOn or some organization come up with a live audio stream that explains just exactly WTF is going on with all these procedural issues, for those of us who can’t watch all day long.

Kaptur will not attend the secret session.

saw pictures of Spitzers hooker on one of these jobs
i could get uses to it”g”

http://www.powerandmotoryacht……a-main.jpg

Sully:

Conservatism … means an understanding of the impossibility of all ultimate fixes, and an ease in the current imperfection: a preference for current laughter over future bliss.

So, why are all the fundamentalists condemning out current laughter, and urging us to think of our souls and heavenly bliss, putatively Conservative?

Something does not make sense. I’m thinking it’s Sully.

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“I object to this process. I am feeling manipulated,” said Rep Diane Watson.

Is he singing the praises of immediate gratification? I don’t get it. And besides, he’s wrong. The essence of conservatism is George Walker Bush.

lol, you posted that before i heard it!

So Blunt has his own special secrets? /s

That is how the Ds are taking it! lol

LOL too funny! I’m watching via the internet connection at cspan site.

Someone tell Nader that here’s one difference between Democrats and Republics:

Spitzer’s resigned.
Larry Craig stays on.

Dang, i’m watching on teevee too!

Jackson-Lee up!

“I went over to the Chair of Intelligence and I asked him, do you know about this?” He said, “no.” Rep.Diane Watson

There is usually a delay of transmission, but it is with the website not the TV. How interesting, huh? :)

I lurv the Congressional Black Caucus

“Is this a tool to delay the work of the people?” asks Rep Jackson-Lee.

that’s what i was thinking O.o

That a great post and discussion. It would great to hear all the conservative explain what it means.

As far as I can tell it means lets not make and change or progress and and lets get rid of government which only taxes our wealth, and hinders our business activities.

Conservatives do not think about others except people of their elite class, their country club and so on. They don’t want to share their wealth or even pay a share for what benefits society.

Conservative is the same as selfish as far as I can tell.

rule # 1 IOKIYAR

me too

There is usually a delay of transmission, but it is with the website not the TV. How interesting, huh? :)

as to CSPAN via the web: I noticed the stand-alone player has more of a delay than using the player on the CSPAN site.

why does hoyer keeps saying bosom? bosom of committee, bosom of intelligence community.

IOKIYAR

Jackson Lee: FISA solid on its’ four corners!!!

OT: shuttle crew get’n ready for EVA.

” It means an understanding of the impossibility of all ultimate fixes, and an ease in the current imperfection: and an ease in the current imperfection over future bliss.”

“impossibility of all ultimate fixes” So why bother fixing anything if its only going to break again? Or as my Dad would put it “Lazy”

“and an ease in the current imperfection” Again “Lazy” “Shoot for the Moon you may never get there but at least you tried ” Was my Dad’s response to its impossible lets give up. Although he was open to better ideas on how to try and after trying knew when to give up.

“over future bliss.” No Conservatives imagine the past as some great golden age not the present they hate this sinful age they live in.
Before the 1950’s were there Golden Age now its the 1980’s parachute pants and Reagan.

OT: shuttle crew get’n ready for EVA.

Is ADAM all ready there?

Kay:
I just looked at your blog.
Oh, wow, if I had to deal with the wingnut universe on a regular basis, I would have my troll sensors on at all times.
In my case, I am still able to be physically astounded that we (in our country) are even having some of the discussions we are. Torture — optional. Civil liberties – - optional. One party rule – - defended. One man rule BY THE MOST IGNORANT MAN IN THE ROOM – - defensible. Fear – - as if patriotic.
Getting back to A. Sullivan and the first comment that set it all off: I still have hope that there are people who claim the name conservative who are not o.k. with unrestricted one-man rule. They should just drop the name conservative, until it can be sent out to be cleaned.

Sone conservative definitions off the top of my head:

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Just because it’s new doesn’t mean it’s good.

I feel sick and tired of all these “secrets” which the minority party revels in because it affords them to have control of what is going on. And the Majority loses their control of the entire process. It seems to appear that way to me. JMO.

lol, that took a sec. :)

Kuch up again!

Stenny respects Blount — WTF!

I don’t know what it is about Hoyer, but I have a subtle dislike of the guy. I can’t really explain it.

I think that is “blunts”?

When Blunt cries, something will happen.

Oh wait.. that’s Boehner who has to cry. My bad.

Steny, is the boil on GlennBeck,and Rushbos hairy ass

Bernanke is burning money to heat NYC banks and financial houses.

Crash coming.

Lock’n load.

me as well.

Jane’s upstairs…

Man is flawed imperfect a human number 666 so why bother trying to be any different? Is the Conservative view so we need rules and obedience.

” Let him who hath understanding reckon the Number of the Beast, for it is a human number. Its number is six-hundred and sixty-six.”1

Liberals think Man was created in God’s image and that is what we should strive for even if it means that we fail sometimes.
We need understanding of the rules linked to shared interest based on equal shares of the pie. We want people to want to work together not work together because they have too.

OT: shuttle crew get’n ready for EVA.

Is ADAM all ready there?

They’ll probably raise some Cain if they are Abel.

Those who give up and think that man is imperfect so why bother trying are aligned with the beast

Conservative = Self reliance!
Liberal = We are all in this together!
They are both right and we need both and they are not mutually exclusive. GOP is lost or hijacked by neocons.

I agree BCinIllinois. Conservatism never gave me the willies until the last eight years. It’s morphed into something that is unrecognizable. I had to laugh listening to Rush Limbaugh when John McCain started doing well in his campaign. Rush couldn’t understand why the base was repudiating his “conservatism”. I thought to myself, “Well dumbass! You’ve ruined what conservatism was by becoming a bunch of jackboot licking neocon fascists hell bent on destroying America and by reducing the US Constitution down to nothing but a gawd damn piece of paper!”.

Rush and others like him can’t see the trees through the forest. They believe they are REAL conservatives, when they’re really not.

Sorry you went to my blog! Did you step in troll poop? If so, I’ll send over my White Noise Insanity limo dry cleaner over to fix you right up! I didn’t have time to put down newspapers before the trolls arrived today if you know what I mean. Most of the time they don’t even go on the paper. It gets tiring. ;-)

I never understood why or how anyone who claims to be gay would embrace conservatism. It just does’nt seem to be in their interest to do so. Or why a black person or anyone else of color would stand on the McCain campaign stage while some wingnut preacher is doing his racist rant warm up speech.

Does’nt Andrew Sullivan realize that if he was even allowed on to the “Straight Talk Express,” that he would be promptly ushered to the back of the bus? Is that his idea of warm and cozy?

Sullivan is infuriating in his tunnel vision and sense of privileged entitlement, not to mention his complete blind side when considering his heroes, but he does appear to be unique in funneling perspectives from progressive to conservative back and forth to one another, and when he isn’t mired in Hillary hatred, makes a good case for the election of Obama, despite his political differences with him.

However, for those of us who are progressives, I feel called upon to say the Presidential campaign has taken a dangerous turn recently, and if the campaigns and their enablers, especially those in the Clinton camp who have laid the ground for the worst sort of conservative politics–the politics of cynicism; I’ve got mine, you get screwed; we can’t trust anyone, so leave it up to me–we may be witnessing the worst debacle of Democratic politics in my lifetime, the abdication of the election to John Mc Cain, a concept so breathtaking in its calamitous portent it breaks my mind to wrap around.

a preference for current laughter over future bliss

What in the world could this nonsense mean? That conservatives are foolish grasshoppers while liberals are diligent ants? That conservatives are garland-bedecked, Dionysian revelers, while liberals are black-clad Calvinists? Or that Sullivan will write anything that scans as iambs and hope we don’t notice what crusty old jello it is?

Too bad this philosophy was not applied to Iraq.

Andrew Sullivan is an idiot who loves the sound of his own voice. In his unwavering support of Barack Obama he said:

“Consider this hypothetical. It’s November 2008. A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man—Barack Hussein Obama—is the new face of America. In one simple image, America’s soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist ideology, Obama’s face gets close. It proves them wrong about what America is in ways no words can.”

Now, how can this be construed as different from what Geraldine Ferarro said without being called a racist statement. She didn’t say it was a bad thing, she pointed out the obvious, that the fact that he is half-black is to his benefit.