As Glenn points out, the House Dems have reviewed the documents given to them by the WH regarding their claim of need for telecom immunity and enhanced unilateral executive powers. And, what do you know, the House (unlike the Senate Intel Committee) calls the justifications for what they are: utter bunk.
We have concluded that the Administration has not established a valid and credible case justifying the extraordinary action of Congress enacting blanket retroactive immunity as set forth in the Senate bill....
In our view, the arguments for blanket retroactive immunity – that a decision not to enact it will irreparably harm the relevant carriers and that it will endanger our national security – have not been substantiated, either in a public or a classified setting....the relevant carriers are significant companies that appear capable of dealing with the lawsuits and accusations brought against them. We have seen no indication that in the event these actions were allowed to proceed, either their reputations or their financial viability would be meaningfully impaired. As a matter of fact, it could just as easily be asserted that the carriers could be best served by clearing their names, or that their reputations would suffer greater harm as a result of a legislative enactment of blanket retroactive immunity....
While the information we have seen does not justify retroactive legal immunity, we do believe another option is available that would protect the legitimate interests of carriers in light of the legal framework that already exists. Under current law, carriers that cooperate with government surveillance activities are already entitled to immunity from lawsuit under many circumstances. For example, one statute provides that “no cause of action shall lie in any court” against a telecom company that provides the content of telecommunications to the federal government when the company has received a court order or “a certification in writing” by the Attorney General or a designee stating “that no warrant or court order is required by law, that all statutory requirements have been met, and that the specified assistance is required.”
However, based on both unclassified and classified information, we have concluded that carriers may be unable to demonstrate their claims to immunity in court under current law because of the state secrets doctrine and related constraints concerning classified information....
This is not, nor has it ever been, about providing protection for the telecom companies. This has always been an effort to keep the American public from knowing what illegal overreaches the Bush Administration has been involved in all along, since well before 9/11. The sole thing that is preventing the telecom carriers from fully litigating their case in court is the Bush Administration assertion of state secrets to keep the public from knowing just how far they have taken this domestic spying. It's a CYA shell game...again and again.
There is a reason John Poindexter was brought back on board for the Bush Administration, given his Total Information Awareness background -- and with Dick Cheney's knowledge of the inner-workings of government and the shifting of its budgetary devices to black ops budget parameters, the public would never have known for certain that the NSA was being used to illegally spy on the American public in contravention of the Fourth Amendment...except that we found out about it.
Just like we found out about the PR gaming and lies that were the foundation for promoting invasion of Iraq. The truth has a funny way of wiggling out from underneath the lies when you least expect it.
Ars Technica has some great analysis of how this has unfolded, including this bit:
The bottom line is that the press will not do politicians' jobs for them. When a politician fails to clearly explain what's wrong with her opponent's position, few journalists will take it upon themselves to craft their own critiques. Only by drawing clear contrasts with the president, and backing up their strong words with strong actions, will Democrats shift the national security conversation to their advantage. They did that last month and reaped a bountiful harvest of favorable press. That success can continue, but only if House Democrats don't lose their nerve in the coming weeks of negotiations.
The press isn't going to dig in an do the work on this (with a few notable exceptions -- see Lichtblau's FBI overreach story today), but we are more than willing to help pick up the slack and keep this issue front and center for elected representatives. Just like we have been doing since these illegal domestic spying intrusions were revealed back in 2005. This has been a long-term fight for liberty, and we will keep this going as long as it takes.
Please call your Representative today -- and make sure they know that we are watching how they vote, just like the NSA is watching all of us. As always, it's up to us -- being a patriot is something that you do. Now let's get to work.
PS -- For those of you who will be attending Take Back America next week, I'll be on a panel with Rep. John Conyers and Prof. David Cole of Georgetown Law entitled "The Republic Against The Rogue Presidency" at 10:30 am ET on Tuesday morning. Hope to see you there!
(YouTube -- The Police "Every Breath You Take.")
UPDATE: For those of you who just missed the brief statement from President Petulant on this, I'll sum it up: "You must respect my AUTHORITAY. If you don't I'll veto the bill." My response: "Good, we get the FISA law as is and you still don't get a pass for breaking the law. Sweet."
UPDATE #2: More here on potential bill votes today...
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Hi Christy - I’ll refrain from swearing for a moment
christy - do you think we should ask our reps to vote for the bill today (even though it seems to not be so great, because it is better than the senate bill)? or should we just say “no immunity” “no basket warrants” and court review of minimization procedures (both before and to insure that they are adhered to).
President Petulance is demanding that Congress respect his au-thor-i-tay on my teevee. And issuing a veto threat.
Um…okay. Veto away. And the FISA bill can stay just as it is. How about you start respecting the rule of law, Little Lord Unilateral Executive?
no immunity, no basket warrants.
but I am “represented” by closet-queen dana rohrabacher, right-wing fanatic and taliban enabler.
sad thing in cali when we cant get districts drawn that dont guarantee incumbent wins.
Georgie on the teevee right now - having a hard time reading his note-cards.
ok, now he’s seriously pissing me of..,
EFF likes the bill, and the ACLU likes a number of points on it. I’m of a mind to push rule of law — no immunity, no basket warrants, adhere to the Fourth Amendment and the constitution, etc.
And then let them vote their conscience on the bill — and smacking President Petulance with it has an added bonus quality to it, frankly, but maybe that’s because I’m just so sick of having him demagogue on an issue where he broke the law outright and expects to be rewarded for doing so.
Shorter Bush:
Nasty trial lawyers pushing the House bill are bad.
Bipartisan Senate bill is good.
Everybody be scared.
Bush is the one who is scared, though. Someone appears to be standing up to him, and he sees at least a glimmer of a chance that he’s Not. Going. To. Get. His. Way.
And he doesn’t like that at all.
Lol,
Good morning Christy, I see were in a fine fettle this morning!
Hope y’all is healthy now.
lol. a 5-year old having a temper tantrum plus the power to make others feel his pain.
The Trial Lawyers are at fault?
Bush is a fucking liar, he is deadly afraid of being exposed
for high crimes…
Hiding behind State Secrets…
I know that being pres gives you a huge audience. But, does anyone believe him anymore? Are these rants still effective? I’m praying they’re not. Now, off to email Mike Arcuri, who has never disappointed me.
thanks, i like that approach.
Morning — yes, everyone is blessedly feeling better. The Peanut is in preschool this morning, and momma gets a little quiet time t research and write. It’s a miracle!
I can’t watch the guy, none of the stuff around here belongs to me and I don’t want to have to pay for any of it!
Way OT - is anybody else getting Peter Francis Geraci on the commercial breaks on MSNBC?
I worked for the guy for about 6 months… the stories I could tell….
and that is exactly what the democrats need to be saying, they can just type that into their teleprompter and they’d be good to go
telecoms HAVE immunity, if the president or his adminsitration asked for listening ability in writing that satisfies their legal requirements and they are already immune
if they acted outside of those requests then they were gathering information for private use and who on the planet doesn’t want them prosecuted for that?
got to go to work, be back later but thanks for this post christy
Nothing worse than hearing lil boot’s voice when your still half asleep, darn Mr Wobbs.
Great post, Christy and I hope the congress critters give him something to stamp his feet and hold his breath over.
Morning Christy, yay!
and thank you for keeping this on the front page
I phoned Hobson’s office. There’s one vote we for sure don’t have. He’s retiring this year, so maybe we’ll have a non-bushie replacement.
Boxturtle (Will not make bad pun about Hobson’s choice)
Over at her end of the Lake, Marcy has been in the weeds again, this time looking at some of the House Judiciary Committee’s work. It seems that they’ve been doing their homework on the telecoms and potential immunity, and they don’t like what they’ve been hearing behind closed doors.
Could it be that spines are stiffening in the House?
Time to hit the phones, to encourage Congressional bone growth.
are you saying they regret their vote for immunity?
that would be great news, let’s hear from them
Doesn’t it seem that this is a no brainer? The law I assume is clear enough that the telecoms legal staffs would know that going forward without a warrant would put the companies in legal jeapordy. I can see the possibility that the government could come to them and say “We need help right this second because we think Osama is going to call Abu at 6:30 and there is no time to get a warrant”, and the companies in their patriotic zeal would let a one time thing happen and it would be OK with me and the courts. But come on, years worth of spying on everyone 24-7 without a warrant? This is what the Nazis would do. From outer space the Bush clowns would have no stature, and yet they want us to look at this as if we were on the moon.
Interestingly, NBC did not break into the Today Show (central time zone) to cover this, but simply let MSNBC take it. No idea what ABC and CBS did. It might simply be that NBC is trying to separate news out to their cable channel and let the entertainment stay on NBC, but it might also be that they are getting fed up with Bush’s whiny “I’ve got something to say and I won’t take questions about it” press appearances.
If NBC won’t break into the Today Show, Bush missed one big chunk of folks he might have been hoping to reach.
The only bone growth I can inspire in Lamar Smith is that in his head. Arrrgh! To add insult to injury, we weren’t even able to come up with a Democratic opposition candidate this year. The Delay redistricting made Lamar safe for the immediate future.
oil higher than ever - dollar lower than ever. All is well, Georgie - go on and pitch a bitch about Congress refusing to do your express bidding.
This is gonna seriously fuck up your next singing escapade.
And once again, I feel just awful about that….
No, this is the HOUSE judiciary committee, not the Senate Intelligence committee. The House never voted for immunity, that I can recall, and the Senate Judiciary committee voted against immunity — but the Senate Intelligence committee did, and that’s the bill that Harry Reid brought to the Senate floor.
I’m still very unhappy about Mr. Reid’s legislative management skills.
Bush said something about the House should not leave for Easter break till he gets his way. What authority does he have in this regard? Can he forbid them from leaving? I seem to remember that he can. Anyone?
I couldn’t find teh speech on the basic networks of any of them, abc, cbs, fox, or nbc. not covered
Am trying to pin down a time on the potential vote, but haven’t gotten anything specific as yet.
Also, gang, if you haven’t written a LTE to your local paper on this, please consider doing so. Public pressure increasing on this just now is a very, very good thing.
I’m still very unhappy about Mr. Reid’s legislative management skills.
I would be too, if I could find any.
I just read marcy’s piece and I have a differant take
they are saying what I said, that the telecoms are already immune and nothing further is needed
I don’t like that affirmation, I would like the case to be made in each request, not as some kind of summary judgement
I will post same at marcy’s
Okay, Bill #?
Vote, Yes or No?
Sorry Christy, life’s in hyperfrazzle mode hereabouts already. Hearing Lieberpuke earlier this a.m. on Imus didn’t help.
i don’t think reid has nearly as much control in the senate as pelosi does in the house - both because of the numbers and because of the different procedures in each.
No, not quite: what they are saying is that if the telecoms followed the law properly and got the required assurances from the AG, then they could be immune. What they want is to see those assurances, which the WH has been withholding from scrutiny, because they would reveal far too much about what may have been going on at the time such assurances were given. (Which is to say, the programming was up and running before 9/11.)
They are hitting the WH with (1) lying to the public, (2) trying to use state secrets to cover their asses and (3) preventing the telecoms from asserting valid defenses to continue to provide them with public CYA. It’s a fantastic strategic move.
If the telecoms followed the law, then they have nothing to fear and don’t need immunity. If they did not follow the law, then they shouldn’t get immunity.
They are calling the WH’s bluff, in essence, and it’s a fantastic step forward strategically for the House to do this.
i posted details - including link to the official bill (not glenn’s early copy) at both fdl and ew. here’s my latest (it’s long so i won’t repost it here).
Inside the Bush White House, this is not good news.
The folks least likely to be swayed by Bush’s press statement are the regular news watchers on cable. By and large, they’ve made up their minds on Bush and immunity. If they call their reps, that’s great, but they weren’t the big target this AM, IMHO.
Bush wanted to get the GMA, Early Show, and Today Show viewers upset enough to call their reps to support immunity. He loaded his statement with stuff aimed not at political junkies, but at “ordinary folks” like the millions who watch the morning talk shows. But the network execs apparently didn’t think he was saying anything newsworthy enough to break into their cash cow shows, and left it to cable outlets to cover Bush’s statement.
For once, I’d say the networks got it right. There was no earthshattering news in Bush’s statement — just the usual whining and spinning and verbal podium pounding of a spoiled President.
Ding, Ding, Ding.
Absolutely.
This might be tin foil hattish, but is it at all possible that the Spitzer outing was a shot across the bow to those who don’t toe the preznit’s line and keep everything under the rug? IOW “look how we got Mr. Clean. Do you want to take a chance that we don’t have something on you?”
Just wondering.
Jack Balkin has a good run-down on surveillance state questions that is worth a read this morning in terms of long-range applicability, in case anyone is interested.
imo, not tin foil hattish. as prof foland has said, time to release your inner cynic.
lots of interesting speculation in this comment thread.
Absolutely. They use intimidation all the time. The worst was when Rumsfeld revealed the name of the Abu Ghraib whistle-blower “to thank him”. This may have stopped others from coming forward. With Spitzer, everyone now knows that their bank records are being scrutinized. Dems and repubs. What an efficient way to keep everyone in line.
joe darby, american hero.
yes, we still do have some of those. too bad we make them take their family into hiding because of the death threats they recieved.
If you are cruising through the links herein, don’t be alarmed when you hit one for a CATO institute piece. It walks through some of the long-term libertarian concerns about Poindexter’s TIA obsession and the results thereof in terms of public policy and civil liberties questions.
Thought it was worth pointing out that this is not a partisan issue — it is an American issue.
Guys, if we want to get maximum effort by people making calls, give us a simple bill or amendment by number to reference and which way to vote as a standard for first contact comment Is this too much to ask? Yes, I know the meme is “no telecom immunity, stand up for the rule of law and the Fourth Amendment.” and it needs repeating over and over and over again. And selise, you’ve indeed got a long useful post.
Maybe you think I’m being too-too here, but I really think this is an important point to make, and that comes from background working in a U.S. Senate office and also working in retail. It’s like running a big ad of items you want to sell and then leaving out the store address. Make it easy to participate, so it’s not just the same pool of us. We want all the lurker visitors to be inspired to jump into this, too. Maximum effort.
Prairie Today: Menage à Trois
thanks - I was just typing up a reply, but thankfully you have faster fingers. What I would point out, however, is that a Motion for Summary Judgment assumes the worst, and then decides whether, in the worst-case scenario, the party in issue *might* have liability.
I wish that Mary was here. She could go on at length about how a contract, illegal from its inception, is no defense. Ignorance of the law is no defense.
bmaz’s point the other day, however, bears looking at. He has familiarity with these entities, and says that they wouldn’t have made a move without some veteran lawyers in this field ok’ing it.
Interesting case - I’ll be the Mary surrogate and say that it can’t get past Summary Judgment.
Chimpy promised on teevee this morning to veto this bill..then what?
Not a partisan issue? But the President said it was all the fault of those Evil Democrats in the House that our country is less safe . . .
*g*
i do the snoopy happy dance.
Somebody finally put V*agra in the Congressional water supply? ‘Bout time!
If he veto’s then he is responsible for not providing the necessary tools to protect America. It is as simple as that.
According to the link in the very first sentence under “in the House” the bill is H.RES. 1041.
AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3773
H. Res. 1041–Rule providing for consideration of the Senate amendment to the bill (H.R. 3773) to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to establish a procedure for authorizing certain acquisitions of foreign intelligence, and for other purposes (Rep. Arcuri-Rules):
The Daily Whip
I believe that when people see Bush at a podium w/ a microphone the only thing they hear in their own heads is that sound a hospital heart monitor makes when it flat lines!! ‘deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee…’that or they race for the remote control. He really is not relevant anymore!
Thank you! I’m sorry to sound like a harpy, but I’m flyin’ in a bazillion directions here. And I think it’s possible others are as well. And some are shy about calling. We need to KIS.
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
our rep is worthless so I’m contacting HJC members and Blue Dogs - letting them know Dick Cheney isn’t the only one with “ears”
reminding them these ears raised $42,000 in 24 hours
House Judiciary Comm
oh, and a special shoutout
Rahm Emmanuel contact page
one ringy dingy, two ringy dingy . . .
watching the replay of Georgie’s “speech” this morning - *muted* - the most care-free guy in Washington D.C. isn’t the guy who drives the ice-cream truck - it’s the president of The United States of America….
My critter is a wonderful progressive. After a few calls to dogs and leadership I just called her office and talked to a polite, friendly, supportive (of our efforts) woman. Sometimes life is good.
Nothing touches him. A member of the priviledged class, immune from the problems of the masses. Or….an effing sociopath.
Oh man, we need that edit button. Can’t spell on first try.
Thanks again, everyone, for making phone calls on this and FAXing and such. It is very much appreciated!
And just to prove that the chimp spoke…. the stock market is in a tailspin
His Jokey McChucklenuts routine makes me ill.
Not a care in the world. Spends his time lecturing and scheming to change the trajectory of his legacy.
Just go in silence.
-G
More and more we’re going to find ourselves standing shoulder to shoulder with those we may previously have been accustomed to opposing. Libertarians and “classic conservatives” interested in the preservation of Constitutional liberties and even federal fiscal accountability will be joining progressives in opposing the neocon cabal that has seized power in the name of corporations and the ultra-wealthy. Politics makes strange bedfellows and all that, especially when we all come together to save America.
I’m lucky that way, too. No need to call Henry Waxman’s office on this one, but think I will when I get time later anyway just to chat them up. Lovely folks over there :)
Confusing post. What do you want us to say? That we support this latest Fisa Bill cuz it only partly caves? Sending the cases to the “special court” where they can be quietly smothered?
Seriously, I was about to call my rep. Emanuel and I realized I don’t know what to say about this latest bill. Are we liking it? Cuz the suits can go ahead? No point in holding out for no immunity, no thing, I guess?
Confusedly,
Still thinking about how they nailed Spitzer and am worried that too many are in the pocket of the administration. Anyone that’s a closet gay, has had an affair, accepted a gift (think Powell), said something embarassing on the phone, cheated on their taxes, underpaid for something, etc.
Is it any wonder we’re in such trouble?
I put what I wanted you to emphasize in the very first paragraph: no telecom immunity, stand up for the rule of law and the Fourth amendment. The bill number is: H.RES. 1041, AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3773.
As selise said in the comments earlier and I concur, emphasizing the rule of law and not giving the Bush Administration a pass by allowing the telecoms to shield them with a gift of immunity for illegal conduct, is the important thing to emphasize.
was there a disturbance in the force? I just got a repeat of the last ten comments.. anyone else? maybe Cheney’s listening in..
1,779 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
SNIFF-SNIFF…do you smell it? That’s the odor of pure fear and it’s gotta be comin’ from the little “sans culotte” and worker bees in the fascist hive…this is gunna go VERY fast if the House passes their version. I don’t think the telecoms wanna try and drag this out in the courts…I think they will cave right away and look ta make settlement stipulations that will blow the whole fuckin’ thing into the history books with Richard Nixon and the tapes.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…THESE FOLKS ARE GUNNA BE MORE DANGEROUS EVEN WITH THEIR TEETH PULLED!!
efax
faxzero
1,779 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen solai:
I would agree with ya but for what looks like the House leadership standin’ up with the whip and tellin’ the Blue Dogs that their backs are covered only if they vote ta pull the plug on the blackmail.
I truly believe that the Spitzer fiasco might have been the decider for the leadership…instead a intimidatin’ the folks, they realized that the only way ta get the blackmailer is not ta pay the vig.
KEEP THE FAITH…ALL THEY GOT IS THE MONEY AND THEY’RE ABOUT TA LOSE THAT TOO!!
Sometimes if you hit that “click here to load them!” button twice in succession, you get two sets of the comments.
just fyi, because i think it’s confusing (and maybe i’m confused too)…. H.RES. 1041 is the rule under which the fisa amendment to h.r.3773 will be considered today, not the bill number. i don’t see a bill number yet.
PS - I don’t think there is a bill number yet. but you can refer to the bill by it’s name, as christy said: “AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3773″
not trying to make it more complicated that it already is… really, i’m not!
H.Res.1041 is the vote that determines whether or not to take up the House-proposed FISA bill. If “the rule” passes, then the bill itself comes up for debate (an hour and 40 minutes) and vote. If “the rule” is rejected, the bill itself sits on the shelf.
H.R.3773 is the substantive legislative vehicle. Right now, HR3773 contains the Senate’s language. “The rule” proposes to replace the Senate’s language with the recently unveiled House language.
The “investigatory commission” part of the House bill sucks, IMO. But passing this bill doesn’t result in getting a bill to the president, it shifts the heat back to the Senate. So, the Senate can strip the commission part, dicker over other stuff, maybe even get into a House-Senate conference committee.
Has anybody seen “a rule” that would bring up H.R.3773 as currently constituted, and pass it? That is, is there any sign of passing the Senate bill?
I linked up the Rules Committee notation on the bill above in the first paragraph, FWIW. But selise is correct that they haven’t yet given it a bill number that I’ve been able to find either…
– selise is correct that they haven’t yet given it a bill number that I’ve been able to find either –
The bill number is H.R.3773. Hence “amendment to H.R.3773.” The procedural stance, if this passes with amendment, will be that the House and Senate continue to disagree.
OTOH, if it passes w/o amendment (i.e., under a rule other than H.Res.1041), then the House and Senate will be in agreement, and Congress will have passed the Senate’s version.
had to use this but not due to shyness, mr wobbs is home today and is on the phone to england
Oh boy..your later comment just made me feel sick to my stomach… I sure hope THAT does not happen…
I haven’t seen any sign of “a rule” that provides for taking up and considering the Senate-passed language.
Worst case is taking up “the amendment,” and rejecting it.
Called. Emailed. But when it comes to Marilyn Musgrave, I don’t have much hope.
I couldn’t agree with you more, Christy, wrt the bluff-calling. It’s a rather strategic move. Add the time management angle by the Dem leadership in both houses, and I just might think they’re on to something smart.
At the very least, if any of these moves pisses off Bush et al, it’s a marginal victory imo.
Um…okay. Veto away. And the FISA bill can stay just as it is. How about you start respecting the rule of law, Little Lord Unilateral Executive?
Agreed. I feel much safer under the old law than the Senate’s new version. Our government is a far bigger potential danger to us as citizens than the threat they are allegedly fighting.
I’ve found HR 3773 in the Thomas register and I’m trying to parse it now. Do they deliberately make these things hard to read? I can’t see where they mention telecommunications immunity.
Did anyone else hear the cspan announcer say that the Republics will be asking for a vote to hold the House in a secret session on the FISA bill? Or did I hear that incorrectly?
One of the best, if not THE best argument that admits the surveillance is that the president is using an Article II power to obtain foreign intelligence information.
When a power is provided to the president by Article II of the constitution, he does not need Congress to “give him the tools.” He already has the tool. He’d have the tool even if Congress passed a law against it, e.g. a law that said “the president may not spy in or on Iran” wouldn’t have effect, because the president has a right and duty to review, assess, and react to foreign forces.
On a separate subject, I’m looking for a one-stop shop for all of the times the argument “the telecoms won’t cooperate if they don’t get dismissed from pending suits” has been made. Has a telecom ever said that? Has a government official ever outright asserted that a telecom said that? The few cases I’ve seen are pure speculation, “maybe they won’t cooperate.”
Sen Byrd is in his office on the Hill this morning! Welcome back Senator Byrd!
LOL! i wish ONE OF US had a dollar for every time you just make my day, Christy!
– ’ve found HR 3773 in the Thomas register and I’m trying to parse it now. Do they deliberately make these things hard to read? I can’t see where they mention telecommunications immunity. –
Yes, the parliamentary process is confusing, as is following the record.
See H.Res.1041, with the complete text of the House-proposed FISA bill in House Rept. No. 110-549
Here are those entries, in context: All Congressional Actions on H.R.3773
Right On! My favorite oldest member of Congress! We’ve been doing alot of Byrd watching around here for the last month or so.
In HR 3773, there’s a paragraph that says the government can file a motion in court to compel them to provide the data:
That would seem to imply that if the companies don’t cooperate with an order after it’s approved by a judge, then they’re in deep doodoo.
So HR3773 is the House version, and HRes 1041 the Senate version?
lol, what is the Attorney “executive firewall” General gong to do?
– I can’t see where they mention telecommunications immunity. –
That’s in a different version of H.R.3773.
Text of H.R.3773 has more than one version. You are looking at No.1 (Introduced in House)[H.R.3773.IH], and that version does not have retroactive immunity. No.5 on the list (Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate)[H.R.3773.EAS] has the retroactive immunity language, at Sec. 202.
I want to be clear on this. The President did give the telecom companies a legal opinion that attempted to support the program. The problem is that this legal opinion is not worth the paper it was printed on because it was outside of the FISA Court and law. The good portion of the new bill that I support basically says that the court and the public would indeed view this provided legal opinion and see that it violates FISA that is the exclusive way for the operation to proceed. I’m sure that the telecom companies have filed away this “get out of jail card’ from the President and are anxious to show the court. President Bush is refusing to allow this to occur and uses the skirt of “national security” to hide his end run on our 4th amendment rights. The telecom companies went along with the President in order to gain additional government revenue on future programs like expansions of Ground Breaker. They went for the money rather than follow the law. Greed was their downfall. Now they need to pay.
I have no doubt that the telecoms are telling Bush that you need to protect us and are balking at possible future cooperation. But the real reason they are giving the administration grief is they want to produce these documents and Bush will not allow them. Once Congress shows some backbone on this, you will begin to see a flood of leaks from the telecoms on the guarantees given and the rationales provided. it will not be pretty and will bring down this house of cards.