Let’s start with the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA). The BSA came into law in 1970. It required that a bank fill out a form every time a person did a currency transaction amounting to $10,000 or more. So, if I deposit $10K in cash, or withdraw $10K in cash, the bank will make me fill out a form with, among other things, my tax ID number, so that the IRS can make sure I’m paying all my taxes. This relates to cash/currency transactions because check transactions and wire transfer transactions generate a paper trail that identifes both the giver and the receiver of the money.
Under the original version of the statute, if I decided to try to circumvent the reporting requirement, let’s say by limiting all my cash transactions to only $8,000, the only way the government would know about it was if a bank teller chose to pick up the phone and report it. This rarely happened as a matter of bank policy because banks were concerned about their depositors’ rights to financial privacy, so the activity would have to be REALLY REALLY worrisome before the bank would call.
This all changed in 1986 with the passage of the Money Laundering Control Act which mandated that banks report transactions over $5,000 that were structured to avoid the $10K limit and removed liability from suits by bank customers from banks who over-reported (OK, let loose the hounds–yes, this reminds me of immunity for telcoms).
However, the opening of the MLCA contains an important nuance with respect to the Spitzer investigation:
Whoever, knowing that the property involved in a financial transaction represents the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity, conducts or attempts to conduct such financial transaction which in fact involves the proceeds of specified unlawful activity–
-snip-
(B) knowing the transaction is designed in whole or in part–
(i) to conceal or disguise the nature, location, the source or the ownership or control of the proceeds of specified unlawful activity; or
(ii) to avoid transaction reporting requirements under State or Federal law,
[emphasis mine] violates the statute.
Under section (a) (3) the same thing applies to a person who promotes illegal activity, which someone here will no doubt argue means that it could apply to Spitzer giving the money to promote his hiring of a prostitute, but the plain language of omnibus first paragraph clearly states that the defendant must know that the money is the "proceeds of some form of illegal activity."
I have seen no news report that the money Spitzer used was the proceeds of illegal activity. Spitzer is a wealthy individual and, until I see something in the press that tells me otherwise, I assume he used his own money to do these transactions. Assuming it’s his own legitimate money, there would be no way the government could make out the first 2 elements of this crime, viz 1) that the money is in fact the proceeds of some specified unlawful activity, and 2) that Spitzer knew the money was the proceeds of unlawful activity.
So the mere fact that he may have met the other elements of the crime such as structuring his transactions to obscure the source of the funds or to avoid transaction reporting requirements, becomes moot.
So, how did Spitzer even come to be under federal scrutiny? Well that’s because of FinCen. The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network collects reports from financial institutions including depository institutions (e.g., banks, credit unions and thrifts); brokers or dealers in securities; money services businesses [MSBs (e.g., money transmitters; issuers, redeemers and sellers of money orders and travelers’ checks; check cashers and currency exchangers)]; and casinos and card clubs.
These reports include SARS
Under 12 CFR 21.11, national banks are required to report known or suspected criminal offenses, at specified thresholds, or transactions over $5,000 that they suspect involve money laundering or violate the Bank Secrecy Act. Similar regulations by other regulators apply to other financial institutions.
To make that report, the filing institution prepares a SAR, which it files with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) of the Department of the Treasury through the IRS Detroit Computing Center. The reports are then made available electronically to appropriate law enforcement agencies.
Remember, I told you that these financial institutions no longer have liability to their customers for over-reporting suspicious activty? Well, it developed among bank security officers (and after some bank got into trouble for under-reporting) that the best CYA thing to do was to set computer programs to filter for certain criteria and then report everything that triggered the filters.
When you open a new bank account, the bank does a little mini background check on you based upon your other banking relationships, your credit check and similar data, then it assigns you a score. The score influences how sensitive the computer data mining filters will be for your transactions. Kinda like "degree of difficulty" score enhancements in olympic gymnastics.
One of the factors that influences this score is whether or not you are a PEP–politically exposed person. A PEP automatically gets a very sensitive filter. PEPs are not just Democratic Governors of states with lots of electoral college votes. They are also UN officials, generals from foreign countries, some heads of NGOs might qualify.
The thing is, Spitzer had to know he was a PEP from his days as NYS AG. He had to know that his transactions were bound to be spit out by the bank’s computers. He also should have expected that when these reports were spit out by the bank’s computers and sent to the IRS, that they would get at least a cursory going over.
So, was Eliot Spitzer targeted because he was the governor? Or because he pissed off impotant rich people and Wall Street types? Was this investigation opened without the usual underpinnings?
There are not enough facts out there for us to know yet. But I do know that Spitzer coulda, shoulda, woulda known that these activities would have triggered a SARs.
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LHP!
Heh, this was the post you were researching for at EW’s, eh? ;-)
That’s what I don’t get. Spitzer had to know that his activities would become suspect. He surely wasn’t a dumb AG.
hi LHP
LHP!
I am sure he knew the risks….It’s the ego trip and the risk taking that is the reward..not the sex, IMO.
There was a report I heard on NPR this morning that made my hair stand up on end. Apparently EVERY transaction is looked at. And “politically exposed persons” are looked at doubly hard.
No, but he was arrogant as hell. There was an interesting piece in the Times yesterday–standard profile of rise and fall sort of thing. Made it plain that he’s wildly grandiose, wildly self-destructive, or both.
Oh, thank you LHP.
Your insight and plain language makes it easy for us country mice to follow along. Thank you, again.
Democratic politicians especially!!!!
Hey loosehead!
Really appreciate how you are able to explain these concepts for us.
No, this one was already in the publishing queu when I stopped by at EW’s. I am working on a theory about this case–and have raucous debates with my law partner about it.
When/if I beleive ther is some “there” there, I may do a post on it–but notuntil I have cornered the market on tin foil.
Well, I figured that went without saying!
Hi Betsy, how’s Cassie doing?
I still think Spitzer’s transactions rose to the top of the heap because the wall street boys dimed him out to get revenge.
well that’s a great post and it really begs the question doesn’t it
why didn’t spitzer know they would be after him, this is his very field of expertise
yup,
Now aren’t you glad youdon’t hold public office?
OT – i just posted info on what looks to be tomorrow’s action on fisa by the house. it’s in the previous thread and epu’ed already, but kinda long so i won’t repost it here… but i don’t think it looks good (hope i am misreading it), so here’s the link.
I don’t see the MSM really going into the dubious nature of the investigation into Spitzer. I think they are perfectly content to deal with the dubious nature of Spitzer’s escapades. Now that he has resigned they probably won’t be interested even in those much longer.
same here! thanks lhp
Sigh. Such a disappointment. Spitzer probably could have run for president. He had the aura of the last honest man about him. But whether or not he was targeted, he gave them the opportunity. He’s a law and order guy who broke the law. Doesn’t matter that the law is bullshit or that much higher officials break much more important laws with impunity. Somewhere, sometimes, someone has to say: It’s the law.
They still were NOT investigating a crime, nor evidence of a crime, because there was no indicia whatsoever at the outset that there were illegal proceeds, nor illegal purpose, involved. If this statute was the basis of their full bore criminal investigation of Spitzer, they have a problem.
I’ve done a lot of stupid, self-destructive things in my time but seeking public office was not one of them!
Thanks so much LHP. I know feel like I understand the whole thing 10x better than I did before.
The big question remains — given that Spitzer had to know his financial dealings were being scrutinized, how was he this stupid?
In a word, hubris.
She’s doing great but having trouble working around the filters and firewalls at the military base to get here! On the other hand …. she’s making friends, doing well in school, involved in some new activities, and even spending much of her free time with people her own age and not online with us.
I gotta tell you, NY espeacailly the NY legal community is a really small town. Everybody gossips (as you know from all the gossip I pass on here).
Coincidentally I have been at several (long since scheduled) meetings with truck loads of well connected lawyers and a raft of judges all of whom are understandably facinated by this case.
Everyone said the same thing—”never a hint, never a whisper, no sign whatsoever prior to now”
We all know of public figures and there are rumors about them stepping out on their spouses…. But there were no rumors about Spitzer doing anyting like that.
I suspect it has to do with a person of Spitzers means conducting banking like this most of his adult life, whether club dues were involved or not.
I think the the Patriot Act there was a provision where if one deposited into an account that was being watched, then one’s originating account could/would be flagged. So Spitzer deposits into hooker haven and then his bank account gets watched – which he should have known.
I guess my bank accounts get watched because I could be accused of ’structuring’ my payments on my property taxes, lord knows WHOSE fund they co-mingle with in the county accounts.
Kidding aside, the fact that SAR s reports are illegal for banking employees to reveal to ‘clients’ and a felony for Federal employees to reveal means that there soon should be ‘on going investigation’ to muck up the fact that they decided to try Spitzer in the press.
Some memebers of the MSM were elphoning around today looking for a federal criminal defense lawyer or former prosecutor to say that Spitzer was unfairly targetted or that there is something wrong with the investigation.
Problem is, the only facts out so far are the ones favorable to the prosecution and devestating to SPitzer. Until Michelle Hirshman gets some discovery out of the prosecution (whhich she is not entitled to unless Spitzer is charged) there isn’t the kind of publicly reported information that would make someone comfortable going on the record with a quote.
Whe the defense gets to do its leaking, things may change
The little head knows no reason.
Idiot!
Spitzer didn’t strike me as a self destructive person either.
Yean, but the consistent story out of all those “law enforcement sources” has been that the whole thing, including the club, originated with the Spitzer bank report itself, not the deposit into a target account.
Alcoa shares? ;-)
Ding, ding, ding
Though my law partenr and I strongly disagreed about this. He thought that anyone getting the SAR on their desk would be too intrigued not to follow up.
The problem here is that they did find something –they have him on the Mann Act–so would make it that much harder to show bad faith in the investigation.
He strikes me as someone with illusions of invincibility.
ct – i answered your question on fisa at bottom of previous thread.
but how often is the Mann act used? Is it time to revisit that particular gem?
First person to figure that one out wins the prize.
Other than some need for self destruction? your guess is as goos as mmine.
In all due respect, there is plenty of ammo to lay out a ton of questions and inferences, even without saying the exact words as a statement, that would accomplish that. They didn’t try real hard, Mark Geragos would probably have paid them for the air time.
Several years ago (about 2003/ ‘04) while traveling I bought a couple of money orders in wal-mart to pay a couple of bills. I had ID and copies of the actual bills I wanted to pay. When I asked for one money order somewhere around 240.00 they called in two managers and actually discussed calling the police..
Patriot Act.
So you thik the triggering event was the transfer into the Qat account?
The thing is, why were they monitoring the Qat account in the first palce?
This started as an IRS investigtaion (if the press is to be believed), not a Mann Act investigation.
KO!!!
Spitzer was leaving a trail because he thought he was smarter than the guys who caught him. He never thought they’d put the pieces of the trail together, and that if they did, they’d never believe their lying eyes.
That’s not to say the investigation wasn’t politically motivated. How could we believe otherwise after seeing how our DoJ behaves?
Which is not to say Spitzer is a very stupid man.
See you tomorrow for lunch.
Any thoughts on the professional ethics of the USA office leaking like a sinking boat?
A cry for help.
He was obviously in trouble and he knew it. Rational people do not spend that kind of money on prostitutes or gambling or anything else.
He was in trouble and he know it and he, probably unconsciously, set himself up to be caught.
A cry for help. Maybe now he’ll be able to get the help he needs, heal his family and change his life.
KO reading the Ferraro letter, although she claimed not to have a position in the campaign.
I don’t understand why the computer would automatically tag Spitzer. 5K isn’t much money these days. It would be tagging millions and millions of people. In companies we would cut checks for 30K per month for independent contractors. I’m certain they moved that money around and didn’t let it sit in their checking account. I never heard of anyone being tagged.
I have a very rich relative who drops 25K at a gambling house and he has no trouble shifting large sums of money around. He pays his taxes quarterly. These people have some serious money sitting around their home, in checking accounts, CDs, savings.
Now, my account would be a different matter. The computer would go into spasms.
Guess I am always suspicious of chance when the Feds are involved. We just happened to….
Yay!
Any other pups in Central Texas tomorrow?
in the absence of an actual crime having been committed, i object to legal activity turning us into suspects.
were you wearing and Italian silk suit at the time, with a fedora?
For those of us who are financially less informed …. the financial activities described in the post are different from the inability to give a $10,000 check to a family member without filling out forms, correct?
You would have to attack the warrant affidavits, but they are not looking all that good to me. For one, they didn’t sufficiently establish the requisite prongs of knowledge basis and reliability/veracity of the CI (they call a “CS”; same difference to me). Two, I think they were extremely disingenuous with the court as to the true nature and purpose of what they were investigating. Three, thats before the defense has even joined the fray; as you say there will be more. Judges are flaky these days, but cognizable arguments are already there.
More often than the press is making it seem like.
Hypothetical for you:
Icky middle aged pervert in Brooklyn solicts a 15 year old girl from Conn> or NJ that he met in a chat room and has been corresponding with by email 9racy correspondence) to take the train into Manhattan for a weekend at a hotel doing… Well, what they discussed in the email.
The most common use of the Mann Act that I know of, that and abducted kids andrunnaways transported across state lines by the grownups who abuse them or sel lthem to their abusers.
SNDY had a wonderful prosecutor, Stu Grabois who spent years just tracking down these kids and saving them from lives of sexual abuse. Or locating their corpses.
Take a look at this blog post. I don’t know the author or the likelihood this is good, but it is thought provoking.
http://inpursuitofhappiness.wo…..destroyed/
Yeah, I am the kind of person who gets calls from Mastercard if I purchase anything at all that is not at my local grocery store, pharmacy or gas station. Especially if I use the card out of town. They kinda know my patterns by now. But I’d like to cash a check without involving the feds.
LHP, do they look at paypal transactions with the same scrutiny?
IANAL but for all his grandstanding and such, I haven’t seen great amounts of accomplishments that would make me want to use Mark Geragos’ actions as a blueprint of how to defend myself.
Veracity seems to be an issue, huh?
They tried hard enough to get far enough down the food chain to get to me. I do not feel comfortable casting apersions on an office with the noble traditio SDNY has enjoyed without something substantial to hang my hat on.
Probably just a cashmere sweater.
Oh, I didn’t say I would hire him to defend me, heh heh, and I have been around the guy, the question was somebody the media could put up; and he is always ready for that.
Was going to note this as a typo, but then the more I thought about it, “impotant” [sic] seems to fit in a whole lotta ways.
Thanks for the excellent brief on the legalese, lhp.
SDNY more often known as the SOVEREIGN District of New York has a history and tradition of being VERY independant of Main Justice.
It is hard for any of us NY types (maybe I should only speak for myself) to accept that SDNY may also be infected wih the same ethical cancer as hte rest of DOJ
I am really amazed by it. Shocked really. ANd shocked by the gratutious stuff they put in the filings.
I am negatively disengaged from approving of a Hillary Clinton presidency.
jeez I just flashed on the pornographic report Ken Starr put out.
1) you would not ever hear of someone geting a SAR sent to the IRS unless something came of it, like an arrest
2) checks don’t trigger this–CASH does.
Lahoma and I are looking at Olbermann.
Geraldine F. has not been very uplifting today.
mastering the understatement OKK?
I don’t buy the idea that bank software filters picked up transactions which would seem suspicious for a millionaire and alerted the IRS.
If that’s true that is very troubling.
The amount of money that triggers an SAR is so small that it seems to give the feds authority to scrutinize nearly everybody’s bank records. Is that the intent?
KO’s Special Comment Diary over at KOS
How often does it happen that information like this is released when no charges have been laid?
Ferraro made a boneheaded comment and she was too dumb to apologize and admit she did it. She just dug herself in deeper doo. She’s strikes me as a stuck up prig.
LHP,
Thanks for including the PEP scrutiny in your overview!
But I’d like to know more about the history of PEP scrutiny– how it started, what it was meant to do in the first place, is it now being used for purposes other than intended?
Bob in HI
Any other pups in Central Texas tomorrow?
hmmm – lemme check my calendar.
9:00 – Indy
10:30 – Indy
1:30 – Indy
2:30 – Indy
Rest of the day is clear though. *g*
what I need is a real fast car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4mDtR4rPJ0
The financial transactions that trigger CURRENCY transaction reports have to with cash transactions.
For example, in the old days, if I wrote a check to Besty for $11,000, Betsy could take that check to the bank on qhich is was drawn–but where she did not have an account–and cash the check and walk out with $11,000 of now untracable cash.
No more, now she has to fill out a form so they can acpture her tax ID number and make sure she is not operating under the income tax radar.
The giving a relative a check=forms :: You may be thinking of the $5,000 per year gift tax exemption. IIRC you can give relatives up to $5,00 per year before you have to start paying gft tax.
Any accountatns or tax lawyers out ther, please correct me if I have this wtrong B?C I am WAY WAY WAY beyond my area of knowlege.
I don’t know diddly about tax law.
“There was a report I heard on NPR this morning that made my hair stand up on end. Apparently EVERY transaction is looked at. And “politically exposed persons” are looked at doubly hard”
That was my reaction, too. Sounds like Karl Rove’s idea of a good way to “get the goods” on political opponents, as well as a good way to get the goods on other Republicans so that he could keep them on a short leash.
Bob in HI
LHP, with due respect to this important post and to your much respected legal advice on such matters, the Ferraro thing is also of the moment and of great moment.
Can you let Kiddo live blog KO for those of us who are cable-less or tv-less at this moment.
here is the teaser he posted on daily kos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..1?detail=f
Thanks. When my (ex)hubby’s grandma was alive, it must have been $10,000 because she gave each of us $9000/yr when we were struggling grad students and she was a wealthy woman. I think she also owned one of our cars.
Annual gift tax limit is now $12,000, I believe.
KO’s special comment will be in the last 8 minutes of the show.
Dunno. I avoid online purchases except for things like Lands End which don’t reveal anything much about me (except my favorite colers and he fac that I’m adicted to sweater twin sets) just in case.
Milbank advises Olbermann that the Clintons have a history of winning ‘dirty’.
Well, there are charges that Spitzer got laid….. Okay, sorry about that, not so often out of a credible USA office; should be never. There was a reason the name was a psuedo in the complaint, and it wasn’t so that twits could run out and tell everybody who it was. At least it not supposed to be; here I am not so sure. Not to mention that there was, in the course of the investigation, a grand jury utilized (even though all charges to date were by complaint, not indictment; another oddity) so there are very strict rules on secrecy of that material. I respect the hell out of LHP, but seven years is too long, even for SDNY, they are tainted too now. If the office she fondly remembers was still there, we wouldn’t be seeing this crap.
Initially I read that the call girl service provided sophisticated women with advanced degrees, etc. but the one person they have identified is someone named Dupre 22 left a broken home at 17 into drugs and unstable relationships described as an “aspiring musician”. What is wrong with this picture?
He really said she will win.
Makes me sick.
Hey, Elliot was satisfied! What do you want?
Read it on Kos
It is very short and he feels bad about it.
In 1970 $10,oo was a pretty decent sum of moaney.
My complaint is that the law is bogus. If I withdraw $5k of my money from the bank, it is none of the governments damn business.
I don’t know that it never has, but I can’t think of another instance.
ANybody else got another example ? I’m drawing blank trying to think of one.
Have you no decency, Geraldine F.? And what about your comments about Jesse Jackson in 1988?
Countdown: Kos TV
whaz’ that? for the tv-denied, this is an important question.
Master Geraldine is not regretful of her recent comments directed toward Senator Obama.
Here’s a geek analysis of how the SARs etc. work:
on ZDnet
Funny about that magic $10,000 (or any combination that can be made to fit), with the dollar plunging, soon anyone with be at risk …
So basically the rule is lay charges or STFU?
Edward R KO Jr’s program should be renamed the Obama Hour.
Shorter KO- Ashcroft has 28 million no bid reasons to not share what really happened in the hospital room that night with Gonzo & Co.
Geraldine and Mark Penn. Excellent judgement, Senator Clinton.
I would hav eto some research ot get you anything authoritative. I know in the mid-late 1980’s I used to go to a monthly breakfast meeting of a group of bank security offivers and they were dealing with developing procedures for their banks to use to comply with the new (ish) Money Laundering statute.
I know htere was talk of drug lords and this was back when the “Migerian Scam” as it was then known became popular (you know the one “I am the custodian of a large sum of money and I need a US bank account to deposit it into and I will spit the money with you”), but I don’t really know if there was any limitation on putting people on the list.
In those days the goal seemed to be to beef up the list, but how the criterea was developed.
I think that you are onto something here, bmaz.
This law was designed specifically to detect issues related to terrorism. In fact it was to allow, not prosecution, but interruption of terrorist activities. It essentially opens up a vast set of personal and private data to surveillance without warrant.
If it doesn’t relate to terrorism it should not be used for any other purpose, and certainly should not have been flippantly exposed.
I think there may be one or two exceptions to this (such as child pornography or child sex crimes) but what has happened, in essence, is data-curning on an immense scale in order to obtain some evidence of a criminal act. I think that this is an ideal example of a “fishing expedition”.
That seems the only conclusion from the myriad of (Alabama USA Leura Canary-like) official leaks about this case.
Spitzer was a high-profile target; he did something stupid and in a way that made it more likely he would get caught. (As opposed to, say, committing serial, multi-year violations of the Presidential Records Act, which don’t merit a yawn from federal law enforcement.) The feds drift netted him first, the evidence of stupid/criminal behavior surfaced afterwards. Spitzer should have known that was so, certainly after he took a top governorship away from the GOP – a status crime in Republican circles.
There are two perps here: Spitzer and the investigative process. I imagine the feds are hoping the sexiness of the former hides the latter.
See I told you I don’t know diddly about tax law!
Soon to be former Gov. Spitzer. I dislike you because you let us down. Terribly.
Maybe he thought that they might find it…but legally could not expose it, since it wasn’t terrorism related.
?
The misspellings carry the day here!!
So, was Eliot Spitzer targeted because he was the governor? Or because he pissed off impotant rich people and Wall Street types? Was this investigation opened without the usual underpinnings?
There are not enough facts out there for us to know yet. But I do know that Spitzer coulda, shoulda, woulda known that these activities would have triggered a SARs.
Impotent is As Impotent Does, Viagra Breaths. Elliot Spitzer was supposedly being trapped and set up by the Usual Republican NeoCon Scum Bags.
Fortunately, Elliot is smarter than the dick-sniffing GOP. This is just starting to get interesting. I’m not hiding behind legal word parsing and Rovian Aztec Two-Steps. I wanna see Joey the Ham-butt Bruno of NY Senate infamy — and the dickless wonders of the White House — swallowing the shit stream. Gulp it down NeoCon Assholes. I and millions of others will chew on your bones.
I have turned on KO and I don’t think he is up to the PSecial Comment yet.
I think the last time the Mann Act was ever used was against a drifter named “Charles Manson”. They eventually dropped those charges for bigger, more easily prosecutable, charges.
Would somebody please remind me what it was that Gonzo & Co. were trying to get Ashcroft to sign while he was in that hospital bed?
HEY! you are talking about Eliot the Spitzer, no?
That used to be the gold standard for Public Corruption cases. This blog has reported many many times about PatFitz’s strict adhereance to that rule.
You didn’t see him leaking about Libby (which is why there were so many surprises in the trial) or about Resko or aboutCOnrad Black, or about, or about, or about…. ad infinitum
QAT…sounds sort of Arabic to me. Plus it actually is a Somali amphetamine-like drug. Sort of like having the call letters KFUK and expecting the FCC not to check you out for indecency violations.
Oh, I just supplied a number. We still defer to you in all things legal.
And thanks for all you do! I’m (we’re) a lot more knowledgeable for it.
Hi TexBetsy. ;0)
Trying to get him to sign off on warrantless wiretapping, I think.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00864.html
OT I was thinking about when an attack (probably by the Israelis) on Iran might occur. The first and in some ways best date is the night of April 4 into April 5. The 4th is a Friday sort of like a Sunday in the Moslem world. Hitting Iran a few hours after the end of their holy day would avoid some of the anger that an attack on a Friday would engender. The new moon occurs around midnight I think of the 6th so this would be a good secondary date. April and May are the best months from the point of view of having surge troop levels in Iraq. So if Bush-Cheney are serious about attacking Iran or letting the Israelis do it, this would be the most logical timeframe.
here comes the Special Comment….
hi kiddo
Heh, contrary to popular belief, there are some true non-partisan USA/AUSA’s around, they may be a rare breed, but, they do exist! ;-)
Olbermann is doing the job now.
KO Special Comment
On Clinton campaign
KO’s gratitude to the Clintons for prior support of him is noted
Sen. Clinton: your advisors are killing your chances to be president
Ferraro disaster
You may think the matter is closed but it is not
Quoting shakespere that way madness lies
BlueState Red Head
KO is telling Hillary that her tactics suck. He just accused her of acting like a Republican.
Ad he is really letting Ferraro have it.
As many have said, prostitution is a state crime. Why the feds? The Mann Act explains nothing: it’s an after-the-fact catch all (also beloved of the fundies, like GWB); prosecuting it makes no careers and has a heavy taint because of its historical use for political persecution.
Prostitution is universal. Much of it, I suspect, is ignored by local law enforcement faced with many violent crimes or those involving more money.
High-profile prostitution services that involve big bucks abound; they are reputedly legendary in DC. But they also involve big players, top politicians, business people, foreigners with diplomatic immunity, etc. Taking on one of those requires considerable political clout (in light of Sod’s, excuse me, Murphy’s Law about unintended consequences). I suspect it also requires a process that allows high-profile figures not targeted for take down to remove themselves at least one step ahead of the law.
No one took Ferraro’s comments out of context
Quotes Ferraro raising Obama race issue
Ferraro says Obama endorsements are the guys sticking together
Dismisses Obama’s candidacy as an equal opportunity stunt
Olbermann is tearing Clinton a new one on the Geraldine business.
Yes they do. And I know many of them. There was a time when that was the norm. It should be the norm still
I am angry with the tactics of Hillary Rodham Clinton.
laughable in its weak command of the facts
Clinton campaign did not treat the Ferraro statement properly.
Clinton’s experience is as irrelevant as Obama’s
Roosevelt didn’t have a lot of experience
Nixon and Coolidge did have a lot of experience
Clinton did not adequately apologize for the F. remarks
so, we may not have much time?
Your antics Senator Clinton are deplorable.
KO is killing Ferraro with her own words. Just shoving her own words up her…. ahem.
Senator Clinton is the wife of the “first black president”?
Well, I understand that Kristen/Ashley does get around…….
Ferraro remarks compared to David Duke
“How’s that?” apart from sounding like Rush Limbaugh
cites 20 yr ago F. comment about Jesse Jackson similar to this one
Senator Clinton’s shell game about considering O. for VP
It sounds like Clinton’s advisors wanted her to be associated with the f. remarks
This is not a campaign strategy, this is a suicide pact
Lay the wood, Keith.
Lay the wood!
So why did an original post on the Dick Trapping of Elliott Spitzer turn into discussing Hilly Baby and Geraldine Ferraro’s senile ramblings??
Can not FDL ever stay on topic? Poor mayfly brains.
serpentine logic of Clinton advisors
F. claims she can now speak for herself about O.
Do you not see, Senator?
Clinton is still letting herself be perceived as standing by racial prejudice
3 a.m. ad
vague answer about Obama’s religion
the clinton campaign appears to have a desire to hear prejudice voiced and to not distance the campaign or HRC from it.
I am a 1/2 breed Native Indian. I understand what you are getting at. Senator Clinton.
“Serpentine logic”, yes, and KO is engaging in it. This is total BS.
Thank you Keith!
Where’s our Clinton apologist to tell us what a sexist pig KO is?
I love Olbermann, a lot; but I agree with whoever above said that it ought to be reneamed the “Obama Hour”. If Keith supports one candidate more than the other, and he clearly does, then he should disclose his feelings upfront and not carry on like it is an even keel presentation.
Whoa!
This Sen. C. is your campaign you are still awash in guilt
Ferraro brands herself as a victim
Unless C. says something definitive, F. is speaking with C’s approval
Clinton must denounce and reject
the end
Wow.
simple answer:
no. (curtsey atrios)
exceptions are:
book salon, blue america and special guests.
How many years will it take to refill the pool of creditability of the State’s USA’s integrity within the Courtroom…? 8-(
Senator Clinton for president is not mine and Lahoma’s choice to be the leader of the free world. Senator Obama is.
He is both honest and fair
And this is free speech at its best,
He deserves all my respect and applause!
The former Congresswoman is not speaking with Hillary’s approval. That is a false conclusion.
Oh Oh! Something is about to explode in Iraq, I think.
Kut Bait or Get Out
Seems like Moqtada al Sadr’s militias have broken the ceasefire (or retaliated to the government doing so). In any case, things are escalating ant a time when relying on THAT sector remaining calm was essential.
It’s happened just when Bush has “fired” the head of the Central Middle East Command…a guy who was level headed and would see the risks of overreaction. He’s gone…Petraeus might jump in, open up the war against Sadr, and all hell will break loose. If they start to assert “Iranian inviolvement” that’s all it will require.
Should arrive shortly.
Yes. My friend. ;0)
called it correctly earlier today – KO flays not only HRC, but her “advisors” as well.
I thought he did an admirable job in making the Comment while refraining from any endorsement of Obama.
Olbermann said what needed to be said.
And if you believe that….There are no accidents with Hillary.
And when Obama wins will you support her independent run?
5-10 years, depending on the district. Your mileage may vary…
Recently (was it last week or the week before?) Jim Comey asked that very same question during a talk at the Harvard Club. Folks in attendance gave each other that sort of unconfortable look around.
It depressed me greatly that no one knows hte answer to that.
Bmaz, Maybe he is not endorsing obama but deploring HRC actions of late.
I myself feel that way, and despite being committed to not picking a side in this battle, she’s really gone and pissed me off but good.
I get accused of being an “obama-bot” now by my mom. :)
Now I remember why I stopped stopping around the Lake. Too “Oh, wow, follow that shiney thing!” Buh-Bye.
don’t let the door hit you on your way out.
We’re shattered.
Snowbird, I told you last night and I am going to tell you again: I support OBama.
But, when I hear total biased BS, I am going to say so. Unfortunately, KO has been engaging in this sort of thing every damn night.
I do not agree with it, but it is his right to do so on Countdown. However, when he anchors election night coverage, it is unacceptable.
Then she must make that quite decisively and emphatically clear…and admonish her other spokespeople that the should not “defend” Ferraro and condemn her statements as well. She needs to draw up a statement about whether she herself actually believes that the supporters of Obama are voting for him merely because of his race, rather than because of his ideas and program.
Clinton also needs to criticize someone associated in any way with her campaign (even as a member of her fundraising committee) from speaking in such a manner on Fox. She should ask that Ferraro apologize to the supporters of Obama, and to her own campaign.
Buchanan just told a black woman on Abrams show to “Shut up”.
I’m speechless.
Who is this asshole?
The timing on this could indeed be short. Israel attacked the mystery site in Syria back on Sept. 6 of last year so they have had plenty of time to come up with an operational plan. Cheney and Bush seem obsessed with taking on Iran before leaving office. So there is a real likelihood of this happening.
I agree that no opinion should show on election coverage, if fact Im not crazy about Keiths election coverage.
But I like his passion. I wish it would do some good.
There would be no problem with the primary run on issues but this hate is so sad.
What about Bill on Rush?
But she has done that and Ferraro is out of the campaign; that is not good enough for anybody. That is the point of his comment, and I agree. It is absolutely Olbermann’s right (and hey I voted for Obama too), but Keith carries the imprimatur of a newsman and fair; but that is most certainly not been the case between Obama and Clinton. If he just acknowledged the bias, I would have no issue; but the does not and that is disingenuous. And just so you know, I still think he is overall the best on TV, whether network or cable. Just not on this subject.
I like his passion, too. I simply think it has been misplaced of late.
However, when he anchors election night coverage, it is unacceptable.
I, for one, have seen no evidence of this whatsoever.
And STTP – I’m gonna give Buchanan a pass on this one: poor guy is on teevee every single day from 6:00 A.M. to 11:00 P.M. – I don’t know how he does it – I almost never agree with him, but with that kind of schedule, he’s bound to eventually make a mistake. I don’t like him, but I respect his right to be human.
KO is totally different on election night, he know the difference in the roles he has and he is careful to separate them.
Baloney
He a commentator. He is not reading the news. His preference is evident in what he says. So what?
I am sure that when Obama pulls a boner he will stomp on him too. But Keith pointed out a pattern and it looks like he was on to something.
Ferraro acted like a complete asshole. What is it with Dem VP candidates?
Buchanan is a fucking moron. No one makes him be on all damn day.
Racist, rightwing kook is more what I was thinking, but let’s not be picky.
And a goddamn Nixon speech writer, shit.
She wasn’t acting.
Guess what Larry King’s talking about tonight?
One hint: it involves his favorite subject- sex.
Ferraro is now demanding an apology from Axelrod
Buchanan is a fucking moron.
I’m tempted to agree, but that would only be because I tend to disagree with most of what he says. Doesn’t necessarily make him a moron.
No one makes him be on all damn day.
Again, I disagree, sort of. I’m sure that there are contractual obligations involved. That being said – he didn’t have to agree with them. I’m pretty damn sure that if you – or I – was on the teevee to such a monumental extent as is Buchanan, we’d eventually say something stupid.
Let’s bring it closer to home..
Since when and by who’s authority can one Jewish Congresswoman, Rep. Nita Lowey of New York, hold up humanitarian aid to Palestine? Shouldn’t she recuse herself from chairing that appropriations committee on all matter relative to her personal religion?
Rep. Nita Lowey is another Jewish Congressperson heading up another foreign ops committee directing our government activities. Activities not based on what’s good for America but what’s good for those members severely biased towards Israel- and activities of which are a huge part of our horrible image abroad.
I’ve just about had it with our slanted attacks against the Palestinians and the Lebonese or other people in dire need of our aid by this Congress – who’ve already proven they aren’t representing the people of this country.
Because if they did -we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in. It isn’t all Bush’s fault.
If we’re on that course now and if they won’t back the hell off or if the Ethics Committee -of both Chambers – don’t start to keep the PAC fed Representatives -like Lieberman – away from the chairs of our committees, we’ll start choosing our congressional candidates with litmus tests.
I’ve been funding a Jewish member for my district -but that may come to a screeching halt, if Congress and the PAC’s don’t clean up their act.
Call it whatever you want. I call it a demand for equal justice -for all.
i have no clue how likely to think an attack on iran is (by either us or israel supported by us), but i don’t think there is anything that bush & cheney wouldn’t do. i just don’t see their actions limited by moral considerations, ever. and the fall out of such an act could be so severe….
is there anything we can do to lower the odds of it happening?
i liked it better when i was all worried but most people were telling me to chill.
Aw man, you know I loves your posts but the idea that his bullshit tonight was some kind of slip up, sorry I’m not purchasing.
No problem Raven – love you too man – we’ll just disagree onb this one and move on – whaddya say?
The Spitzer Sex Sting: A Few More Questions
Scott Horton:
… They go to prosecutorial motivation and direction. Note that this prosecution was managed with staffers from the Public Integrity Section at the Department of Justice. This section is now at the center of a major scandal concerning politically directed prosecutions.
(1) The prosecutors handling the case came from the Public Integrity Section.
(2) The prosecution is opened under the White-Slave Traffic Act of 1910. You read that correctly. The statute itself is highly disreputable, and most of the high-profile cases brought under it were politically motivated and grossly abusive.
(3) The resources dedicated to the case in terms of prosecutors and investigators are extraordinary.
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/03/hbc-90002589
Precisely on point, Scott Horton analyzes the limited public information released so far about how the Spitzer investigation started. He finds the claimed reasons unpersuasive (emph. mine):
http://tnr.com/politics/story……1c7aa2b7b2
Wow, that speaks volumes, LHP! I feel honored by bmaz snarking me too, sorry for being upstairs at the time… I missed the CT squashing too… 8-(
In my sheltered life I had been under the impression that Bay Buchanan
was his style of speech… turns out to be his sister.
I like your passion, too. Even when it is directed at me.
If it’s any comfort, Dempsey was against the surge, I’m positive he’s not an avid fan of surging into Iran… Now, if Betrayus is appointed to the CinC of Centcom, I’d be very concerned…! 8-(
You’ve never seen them at the same time now have you?
Lipstick, a wig, and a chair with wheels explains it for me.
Spitz Out
by Scott Horton
Was the investigation of Eliot Spitzer politically motivated?
Post Date Wednesday, March 12, 2008
…..Several reports about this case have suggested that it is somehow routine for prosecutors to go through the financial records of public officials to look for evidence of corruption. But in the absence of specific grounds justifying the investigation (for instance, an informant complaining about a bribe) prosecutors have no such authority. In this case, the basis for action is extraordinarily weak. Most importantly, the investigators do not appear to be looking into a crime, they appear to be investigating Spitzer in the hopes of finding something compromising.
http://tnr.com/politics/story……1c7aa2b7b2
it’s just that i think cheney is irrational about this. hard to know what he will do…
Yeah, I don’t know about that.
1) The three lead prosecutors were not from the Public Integrity Section (PIN); that office is at DOJ Main, these three were from the Public Corruption group in the US Attorney’s Office for the southern District of New York (SDNY). They are not the same, and this is not the office already enmeshed in scandal.
2) The consistent leaks from the Feds do not indicate a genesis under the White-Slave Traffic Act of 1910/Man Act at all; the consistent leaked story has been that the genesis was a SAR/CTR report from Spitzer’s bank, which, in no way involves the White-Slave Traffic Act of 1910/Man Act. the only evidence of that to date came from the events of February 12-13, at best.
3) I will agree that the resources and time expended are incredible and outrageous. That is about it from Horton’s first go at the subject. Even Horton has changed his tune and now discusses financial factors as the genesis. He was a little half cocked on the first go round. I will agree with the language you cite @201 above though.
Not htat I know of just us three/4?
What if ‘it started with Spitzer’ is a, a, a, less than accurate? Maybe more than one set of body was investigating.
I googled QAT – came up with a leaf (sometimes spelled khat) that is chewed in Yemen for a coffee type of high. There is money flowing into and out of QAT’s accounts internationally in large sums. One of the pimps had multiple Israeli passports, amongst other passports (my uneducated guess: a forger is in there somewhere). The Duke of Westminster, formerly a Brit Army bigwig in Afghanistan, was reportedly relieved of his command for blabbeling about where Osama bin Laden is when he was not utilizing prostitutes as client number 6 in NYC or 4 at a time in London. Now there is a dude one might want to peruse for blackmail, a factor not tempered by the Duke being one of the richest men in the world.
IMO a sleazy bucket of goo that could have stuck to a number of people, and could have raised flags on both sides of the Atlantic, on multiple continents.
Oops, guess we read the same story:)
LS posted this @emptywheel earlier: Editor’s note: The following article was published in The Washington Post the day after New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer allegedly engaged the services of a call girl at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington, DC. ma/TO
Predatory Lenders’ Partner in Crime
By Eliot Spitzer
The Washington Post
Thursday 14 February 2008
How the Bush administration stopped the states from stepping in to help consumers.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031208J.shtml
The GOP strategy is if you can’t win by cheating the voters with diebold electronic voting, then illegal investigations to oust the voters choice of elected democrat governors; California Gray Davis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2…..nia_recall
Alabama Governor Don Siegelman
http://www.harpers.org/subject…../BlogEntry
and New York Governor Spitzer
Anyone seeing a pattern?
Well, I think that the “it started with Spitzer” bit is a false flag; but that is the story that the Fed sources have been consistently pitching. Hey, even their contrived cover story doesn’t hold water for shit; it is only going to go more rancid from there.
I bet the bank where QAT had its accounts filed a bunch of CTRs and SARs, because of the weird nature of those accounts. QAT and its accounts were set up to enable people to wire money, and I bet they made cash deposits that triggered the reporting requirements. The company didn’t do anything except transfer the cash in the accounts to other accounts, and it didn’t have any real business. That kind of transaction is a red flag under FinCEN standards, triggering a requirement of filing an SAR. The red flags can be found here, in Appendix F-3. Warning, very long .pdf file.
The activity of QAT doubtless raised lots of red flags.
Right. But they keep saying it was Spitzer’s SAR/CTR that triggered everything. There is a way it could be both and harmonized I think, but they are going to have to come up with that on their own (and they have not been anywhere near that path yet(; I am not putting it out there….
And one of the red flags came up with Spitzer’s name. But there were 5,000 or 6,000 phone messages or e-mails they were checking. . .a LOT of big folk with money. So where are the other red flags, and why are we not hearing about them?
The “politically exposed person” concept that has been floated by the government is another non-starter. It only relates to non-US persons. The link in my 208 is to the Bank Secrecy Act/Antimoney-laundering Examination Manual–2006, again, a very long .pdf. It contains this language:
Oh, I see. Spitzer is a terraist.
You want some red flags? how about these:
Appendix F page F-7 of my link at 208
No, but stuff that QAT did might have raised red flags to the people who are a) paranoid and b) looking for terrorists.
Heh heh, keep in mind that the USA (Garcia) for SDNY was, just prior to said appointment, the acting head of INS/ICE where that crap is apparently used.
Well, Spitzer may have helped give that terrorist impression as well:
Sources said. Sources are indeed saying anything about Spitzer so take this with a grain of salt.
Sources lie. There is no requirement to report a wire. Reporting is for cash.
I find it strange that the prostitute said she didn’t want anyone thinking she was a monster. Maybe she’s got more of a role in removing Spitzer than being a prostitute.
What if he didn’t actually do anything and he’s being framed/threatened &/or his family is? /Yes, I’ve laid in a good supply of tinfoil.
I am just happy to read (according to LHP) that Spitzer has a great lawyer. I hope she can pin the wiretap to the wall, and I really hope that assuming a political agenda, she can put it out there so that “regular voters” can put it together. It will be too late for FISA/retroactive immunity, etc. but we just have to hope that despite his hormones, Spitzer still can pull himself together and use this unhappy moment to help illuminate how ordinary people are not so unlike him.
Did I say that? Well, anyway, I hope people who have cash moving around (at least) will “get it.”
I don’t think Treasury cares about cash v. wire:
The point of “structuring” is that the person wants to move more than 10K in cash without generating a report under the Currency Transfer Report rules. This is done by dividing the transfer into several transfers below the threshhold. It doesn’t apply to wires.
I must be confused in that I read the
as including wire transfers. Like did one do ________, _________, or __________? where wire transfers could be any one of the blanks. I must not be parsing in the same manner as you.
Does this mean that if I write 3 checks for $8,000 each, to the same place, I will not trigger a SAR? And I can wire my bookie any amount and feel free to assume there will be no SAR? My accountant says not to do this sort of thing, but he is conservative/Dutch (I don’t know which is more dominant, all I know is that he has kept me out of financial trouble for years).
Larry Flynt…where are you?
Are Joe Bruno’s bank accounts subject to the same stringent examination?
Probably not.
And it is good to know that the FBI, which let us down on 9/11, has now got its priorities right in staking out Spitzer’s hotel in DC.
looseheadprop -
thanks for a very lucid and informative summary of the banking laws involved in spitzer’s case.
But I do know that Spitzer coulda, shoulda, woulda known that these activities would have triggered a SARs.
I dunno know. Hindsight is always better.
Possibly there’s a climate in politics where this call girl thing is done, so Spitzer does it too? Risk taking would be kind of heady.
The banking thing is positively Orwellian. If you had the same scrutiny applied to every elected person, it would still be Orwellian. But if the scrutiny was doubly hot on Spitzer for what(?!?) reasons it’s doubly disturbing. The what(?!?) reasons is a big question for me. Some of us probably have ideas, but I would like the US attorney to state his reasons, other than some bogus bribery suspicions. Otherwise it seems they made a federal case out of Spitzer being a “John.”
Here I am sputtering for words. All I can say is “my suspicion exactly.”