I thought it was all about the lapel pin and not the words.

You have to torture people and spy on your fellow countrymen to be truly patriotic, doncha know…

Can someone please explain why the Los Angeles Times prints this shit?

Because their paper is cheaper and more profitable to make than real toilet paper although it serves much the same purpose

Can someone please explain why the Los Angeles Times prints this shit?

The new Billionaire owner, Sam Zell is a wingnut of the highest order. Total asshole.

He was recently on a CNBC show with Jack Welch, another Conglomerate Media titan, literally blaming our economic woes on Obama and Clinton, since they’re making everyone worry about the economy. They both went one to makes jokes about “Liberals being able to understand logic at least some of the time.”

Look for Doughy Pantload to get a huge promotion soon.

The LAT should not allow itself to be a mothpiece for Karl Rove’s wormtongue whisperings.

The Dough-Boy is a sunshine patriot. As long as it requires no effort by him, he’s a good patriot.

Now if he actually had to DO something to be considered a patriot? Not so much.

“mouthpiece”

When Democrats do speak of patriotism, it is usually as a means of finding fault with Republicans

Yah gotta love the irony of that line…..

Round and round and round Doughy Pantload goes. Where he’ll stop nobody knows!

And, btw, where’s HRC’s fucking lapel pin for her ever-so-conservative pant suits??? Huh, Wolfson, I can’t fucking hear you?!?!

“Better that our politics be an argument about why and how we should love our country, not about whether some do and some don’t.”

and thank gaia the doughy one isn’t doing that

Does patriotism still mean “my country right or wrong”? That has an addictive personality ring to it. I don’t care how many people I killed while drunk behind the wheel, I still think drinking is good no matter. I will not criticize it. Or, I love my son and support him no matter how many young girls he raped, tortured and murdered. He’s really a good boy, deep down. I will not criticize him. Patriotism is used as frequently as sin. I don’t know what either means.

OT – Is it true Spitzer is worth a cool 80M? How do you get that rich working as a public servant? I chose the wrong career. I should have been a metermaid.

Has Hillary questioned Barack’s “patriotism” yet? If not, I’m sure it’s not far away. Robert Reich, Bill Clinton’s former Sec of Labor, had some interesting things to say about Hillary recently:

At the start of 1995, when Newt Gingrich and company took over Congress and the Clinton administration looked in danger of becoming irrelevant, it was HRC who installed Dick Morris in the White House, along with his sidekick Mark Penn, to “triangulate” by distancing Bill Clinton from the Democratic Party and moving the Administration rightward.

http://robertreich.blogspot.co…..party.html

Hillary and Dick have had a falling out, but they seem to have a mutual admiration for Ruturd Murdoch and Pox Newz.

For many, patriotism means American exceptionalism. Jeez, jonah. Grow up already.

For a complete asshole, Goldberg certainly gets a lot of press exposure. He seems to be the only person that is actually overwhelmed with his brilliance. Perhaps he is a legend in his own mind?

wormtongue

Spot on! Gotta be one of the best descriptions of him to be found anywhere. LOL

A weary Jonah Goldberg unslings his M-16 and slides his sweat slick back down the wall to the ground. He tips up his helmet. The sun is going down in a dirty reddish haze in this hellhole he has come to know so well. His throat is dry and he wonders why he does it. Through his parched lips comes unbidden that one single word “Patriot”. Because that is what he is and what he believes. It is what gives him the strength to face another day. Shifting his broad shoulders, he stands up ready to face another day in LA.

Have you ever noticed what a Walter Mitty quality there is to all these chickenhawks?

I’ve just cut ET, Jr. out of my will. I caught him uttering four sentences in a row without the word “patriot” in any of them. Plus, he hasn’t worn his American Flag lapel pin in weeks. Plus – I checked his computer – he hasn’t visited Little Green Footballs, Red State or any Fox News sites, uh, well, ever.

This cowardly piece of crap needs to get his fat, pimply, white ass in the army. It would be hard on the stomach of anyone assigned with him, trying not to step on him or puke, but the lazy tub of guts needs an opportunity to prove his patriotism, and to break away from his mother.

I’m sorry, I’ll try to regain some measure of self control now. Normally, I just type these and don’t submit them, but his case is different.

“Can someone please explain why the Los Angeles Times prints this shit?”

The Times is trying to make itself attractive to Murdoch. If Murdoch takes a look and decides he might like to have the Times, DoughBob and the rest of the pinheads at the Times can do the “reporting” job they’ve aways wanted to do – be grocery store tabloid heroes. I can see the headlines now – “Hillary Has Third Boob Attached,” “Hillary Has Third Eye Attached to Armpit.”

A better question is why does anyone bother reading the LA Times any more? Other than coverage of the Dodgers it sucks.

Thankfully, 99.9% of America have no idea who the hell Jonah is.

Or, as Mr. Spicoli once remarked, “What a DICK!!

“And that, sir, is how we know the world to be banana-shaped.”

“Fascinating [JBerg]. Please tell me more about how ram’s bladders can be used to prevent earthquakes.”

With all due respect to the great Python.

Does the LA Times still run “Over the Hedege?” I like that little raccoon.

707

more python, life of brian:

“biggus dickus”

OT – Is it true Spitzer is worth a cool 80M? How do you get that rich working as a public servant? I chose the wrong career. I should have been a metermaid.

Born with a silver spoon…..

I dunno. I now live in Florida but ain’t givin’ up my loyalty to Dodger Blue. I scan the online headlines, then go to the Dodger page. I gave up on the rest of the rag quite a while ago. The paper is not what I remember from living there in the 70’s. (sigh)

A weary Jonah Goldberg…

(applauding)! (and wishing I could write like that)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robbluey/2203144180/

Here’s a recent photo of the patriotic asshole. He’s had a hair transplant. Where the donor hair came from is anyone’s guess.

The LA Times prints this shit because the corporate media wants McSame to win in November. When will the nation be rid of these cretins, sycophants, flat earthers, and racists. There really needs to be an alternative “traditional” media that reaches the majority of the public which unfortunately still relies on the corporate MSM for their source of information.

Thanks BT. We have to keep hammering this sorta thing every time it pops up, I guess. I’ve got a dear friend who’s all discombobulated about whether to trust anything about Obama, or outright fear him – in response to several wingnut relatives of hers who keep re-spewing this sorta garbage. I think I’m beginning the reach her. Especially when I told her I and hubby both voted Obama without qualms, but with definite positive thots instead.

She’s already leery of the meannutsquad, so she checks with me and she & her honey quietly express their independence in the voting booth. In some families, I guess the wished-for discussions aren’t going to take place, but at least the votes are turning blue.

“Tho I can clearly not choose the partiot inside of me! But you crafty liberals would know that I would know that, and seek to fool me. Tho I can clearly not choose the patriot inside of you!”

“Truly you have a dizzying intellect.”

“I’m just getting started!”

With all due respect to Rob Reiner.

;->

Drive-by: Just back from my seriously Republican dentist’s. His staff is telling me they’re going to stop putting rat poison in his coffee now that he’s declared himself an Obamacan. He told me his conscience was after him and he’s come out of the closet now as a Republican for Obama. One small step for mankind. None of us thought this could ever be possible for this man.

And he tells me he’s even talking to patients about it. He said I know I shouldn’t, but I am.

He sorta looks like maybe a young Trotsky-maybe?

“Inconceivable!”

Just a note here to remark on the fact that the Spitzer resignation has already moved into the MSNBC rotation as ‘just another story’.

Good.

Has he fainted yet?

lol great post Blue Texan.

I laughed on how JFK would have struck out. Four strikes!

sounds strangely familiar, heh.

Well, repubs always think they know best…but kudos!

From his mother’s chest.

“You keep on using that word [=facism]. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

greenwarrior – . . .a bridge too far ?

Obama has a flag averse problem.

Big edge to McCain.

He collects it from ladies’ waxing salons.

those little cups are awfully small for full immersion BAP*ism.

“Except, that famous passage isn’t about talking about how much you love the country (DoughBob’s definition of patriotism) it’s about actually serving your country — something DoughBob has never done and Obama’s done for 25 years. “

A-fucking-men.

And the quip about “entitlement culture” cracks me up. He’s the very definition of “entitlement culture” and is too stupid to realize it.

I picture a set of refrigerator magnets in Jonah’s head. “Entitlement culture”, “Fascist”, “Liberal”, “Islamo-”, “Free-market”, all on little cards. He just hastily arranges and regurgitates, without ever actually understanding.

LOL!

Oh yeah, he was a war veteran too! That disqualifies him from the truly patriotic neo-con club.

I really think he’s just an idiot. That he doesn’t even have the vaguest sense of what that passage is about — and how bad it makes it look him and is fucking stupid thesis about patriotism look — is astonishing.

If this country did become some sort of leftist dictatorship, do you think Jonah Goldburg would more likely be:

a. an anti-government freedom fighter?

b. a whimpering, snivelling, suck up and collaborator?

c. An expat in Paraguay

lol. I think I can answer that one…

Some Golden Goldberg nuggets:

Now before you get all pious with table-thumping sermons about the glories of the First Amendment and the need to publish news without fear and all that, consider a few facts.

Lost is the fact that in America torturers get punished, while in the Arab world they get promotions. Huge percentages of Arabs are illiterate, which means these pictures will tell the whole story, particularly in the hands of the vilely anti-American Arab media. This will harden hearts against us and almost certainly result in lost American and Iraqi lives.

http://www.nationalreview.com/…..070940.asp

a whimpering, snivelling expat in gstaad.

If you read the speeches of leading Democrats before the Vietnam War, it’s amazing how comfortable they were with patriotic rhetoric. “Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country,” stands foursquare against so much of our entitlement culture.

Bulletin for the Pale and Pudgy One:

The “bear any burden” jazz went the way of cars with fins after Vietnam.

As they lied and schemed to bullshit the public on how well the ARVN were doing.

As they lied and schemed to bullshit the public on how well the ARVN were doing.

ARVN? That was the chipmunk who was always getting into trouble, right?

Ha, Marvin the ARVN he was often called!

It would be nice if he could be induced to saunter into a bar on the strip outside Fort Hood and expound on his ideas of patriotism for the patrons some evening.

A little gem from David Halberstam for all you JFK worshipers

In addition, the Kennedy administration had done something extremely dangerous when it increased the larger mission to Vietnam: it corrupted the truth to suit its political needs for short term political profit-in effect buying time to get through the 1964 election. Because in the process it planted the flag even more deeply, it needed even greater results, for appearances were everything, and it needed them faster. But those results were not forthcoming, because the policy never worked. Never. Therefore, to compensate for the failure to produce the desired results in the field, the Kennedy administration soon created something quite extraordinary, a giant lying machine, one based in Washington, with its major affiliate in Saigon, and machine that not only systematically rejected all pessimistic reports from the field, and punished those who tried to tell the truth, but created it’s own illusion of victories and successes, victories and successes that never existed. It was a great exercise in self-deception: what the great lying machine did in that period was delay the arrival of the truth in Washington by some three years, and of course it also began the process of diminishing the credibility of the government of the United States. What was also lost in those three years was the ability to make wiser judgments about whether the commitment worked.. . .

One day when he came out of an NSC meeting in which they had discussed some disastrous problem handed down by the previous administrations he said, “Oh well, think of what we’ll pass on to the poor fellow who comes after me”.

Suggest you not take that track.

We’ve got a whole generation of folk who don’t know these things.

Keep it up Raven.

Consider JFK’s wayward heterosexual appetites and Jonah’s mommy.

She held an impromptu dinner party on the 23rd in celebration of Jack’s brain splatter over Dealey.

has ANYBODY taken notes
Rendell
Bill Clinton
Bob Johnson
Geraldine Ferraro
Bob Kerrey
lets add up all the RACIAL slurs against this 1/2 Black…1/2 WHITE …man? shall we?

One small note of regret:

On the day that Jane was on a CSpan call-in segment ( where she was masterful, and the ‘host’ never did manage to get the smile off his face), she was followed by The Pantload. Right there on camera, they passed, and she shook his hand, missing a golden opportunity to kick him right in the ….

Oh well – she obviously has a lot more class than do I.

Now, that’s true patriotism-celebrating the assasination of a President from the opposing political party.

But I don’t think there’s any there there.

lol. Very good…

still, the thot of him having to endure a whole segment on camera without an extra trip to the little boy’s room is purty amusing.

Good on ya Jane. Handled it just right.

“This pudgy slightly damp man who smelled of Ding Dongs and Hai Karate and danger.”

ah yes, the classics

ARVN = Army of the Republic of Viet Nam. This was the South Viet Namese army that was assembled and funded by the USA.

he doesn’t have any to kick.

I guess the Doughy Pantload is unfamiliar with Samuel Johnson.

sorry, my %@#%$! link above doesn’t work – anyone with time on their hands can simply google: TBogg – flowers for goldberg

I always wanted to know if you are related to David Hackworth?

No relation. Thanks for asking. Its just a handle I picked out of the blue.

Here’s a recent photo of the patriotic asshole. He’s had a hair transplant. Where the donor hair came from is anyone’s guess.

Most likely from the same place he pulls most of his ideas – directly outta his a**.

Aha, his stuff is worth reading.

ot/ Virgin Mobile Canada’s already pickin on Spitz in their advertising

(forgive if linkie no workie, I’m new to this!)

I guess you could fault JFK for not planning on being murdered by the
next election, LBJ did not have to go to war, he just went along with it,
knowing it could not be won, because the army wanted it as a consolation
prize for nuclear war.

That’s not what I have read on the subject.

OT, but can any evidence of Kristal’s special brand of insanity ever be OT?

From Kurtz’ column in the WAPO today I give you….

“Bill Kristol says a great running mate would be . . . Clarence Thomas.”

Please feel free to insert your own joke here, for I hardly know where to begin.

“Bill Kristol says a great running mate would be . . . Clarence Thomas.”

Good idea! And, of course, he’d have to resign his SCOTUS seat.

Wanted: Lower Primate to accompany Robed Organ Grinder

Apply: Nino Scalia – USSC

Interesting perspective.

Do you have a link for that?

Read some more, or listen to the JBJ/Richard Russell phone calls at
the LBJ Library website for Johnson’s private views, James K. Galbraith
on the repeated demands for nuclear strikes at China by the JCS…the
writing on Vietnam is vast, no doubt, but it’s there.

My understanding is that Olbermann will be doing a special comment tonight on Senator Clinton. I asked my lady (she teaches English) this morning, before we left for work, if she thought it would be permissible to use ad hominems in my comments tonight in response to Olbermann’s comments on Hillary. My woman said “go for it it”, just so long as you keep your ad hominems factual and non-random, and restrict them to specifics. God I love this woman.

No. Apologies for the post-modern fictional hook.

Patriotism means, to the right, do what the leader says. To the left it means feeling pride in their country for being the shining city on the hill where openess and truth and fairness and humanity prevail. My unquenched question is how do the very ones who should not lead, lead? We the people are controlled by sociopaths.

“God I love this woman.”

I think we all do. *g*

Can someone please explain why the Los Angeles Times prints this shit?

Just a guess, but, they are of the same mind? Said a different way, it serves their purpose? Again, it sells newspapers?

LBJ was suckered by “The Best and The Brightest” Dean Rusk,
Robert McNamara,McGeorge Bundy ,Dean Acheson.
John Foster Dulles et al. But it doesn’t change the fact that JFK got us in it. And, as I say at least once a day, just like Hillary will the moment she has to show she has cajones.

Jonah Goldberg is the absolute poster child of a conservative pseudo intellectual purveyor of sophistry. Not just your average, run of the mill sophistry, mind you. But the really thick and narrow minded sort that folks who think like him (or wish they could rub two brain cells together someday so that they might), really get into.

The premise of his newest load of shit, “Liberal Fascism” seems to be this, “Hey, us right wing hard liners are tired of getting called fascists like Hitler and Woodrow Wilson did some stuff that seems like it was Nationalistic and FDR did some stuff that was Socialistic, so they must be the fascists. And, if they were the fascists, then me and my conservative buddies aren’t. Don’t you see?”

Jonah, hate to tell you buddy, but John Dean has had you totally outclassed and has written the authoritative text on the authoritative mindset and you’re just too damn dumb to realize it adds two or three different levels of complexity to your simplistic thesis, rendering your concepts null and void (as if they were ever anything else).

The one tape I heard, Johnson was telling Russell “…you know, if you don’t stop these guy, they’ll be in your back yard next time you look up.” I took this to mean, that, at that time, he accepted the George Kennan’s ideas and the Truman Doctrine; i.e., that you had to opposed a monolithic communism wherever it tried to expand. Of course, it later proved to be mistaken regarding the monolithic nature and ignoring nationalism.

“Bill Kristol says a great running mate would be . . . Clarence Thomas.”

Oh my (frantically looking around for a version of the Beatles’ “Let It Be”). heh.

If the comments are about HRC, they might be “ad femina”, rather than, “ad hominem.” :]

LBJ was suckered by “The Best and The Brightest” Dean Rusk,
Robert McNamara,McGeorge Bundy ,Dean Acheson.
John Foster Dulles et al. But it doesn’t change the fact that JFK got us in it.

Didn’t Eisenhower have a little something to do with getting us involved in Vietnam? This is a serious question, I’m not meaning any snark at all. I don’t remember very well whether Truman was involved at all, but I do seem to have a vague memory that Truman bought the dominoes theory. But memory tells me that Ike sent the “advisors” in when the French pulled out due to the dominoes theory.

There are others where Johnson says he does not think we can win out there and that he is in just a hell of a damn mess. Robert Mann, who was
an assistant to Senator Russell Long wrote an assessment of the influence
of domestic politics on the war The Grand Delusion, demonstrates the
McCarthyism at work driving the war, while Howard Jones in Death Of A
Generation demonstrates JFK’s intent to withdraw from Vietnam. The big
difference in JFK and LBJ was Johnson’s less critical opinion of the military advice he was getting. In the end LBJ had enough conscience to be
done in by the war, unlike the “texan” CIC we have now who could care less.

You are right, as far as you go, and especially right about HRC, like
LBJ, showing that somebody’s pecker is in somebody’s pocket… oh yeah,
I can see it, real easy.

My understanding doesn’t differ a lot from that. My reference was to Johnson’s understanding/belief prior to the Gulf of Tonkin and actual commitment of large numbers of troops.

He did but he also famously warned against the military industrial complex.

Agree, LBJ was more willing to use military force projection to solve
political dilemmas than the mare cautious JFK. The so called JFK men
of LBJ’s cabinet were all Rockefeller men with an agenda brought in
with them as proteges of Acheson and Dulles, dimes worth of difference.
JFK’s complaint about all of them was they never offered policy ideas
or plans, just military options, just what the National Security Act was
for all along. Kennedy actually thought he was President and could go
his own way.

I just read wiki and it indicated that JFK increased the number of “advisers” from 500-16,000. Doesn’t say precisely when, but it seems our Presidents all think that if they send in a given number and that doesn’t work, if they just send more troops, the problem will be resolved due to overwhelming force. You’d think that by now they would have learned that war doesn’t work that way, but it’s still the SOP today.

The great debate on getting in the Indochina War at Dienbienphu was
resolved by Ike having Ridgeway go take a look, brought back assessment
of a 1 million man army for 15 years… Ike, the logistics man, said
the cost would equal the European theater in WWII and was not worth it.
Changed his tune once out of office and became a critical hawk as years
passed.

I was a history major in college from 1961 to 1965. If there was a single lesson we were being taught, with regard to recent American history, it was that we had been unprepared for, and almost waited too long to enter the two major wars of the 20th century. Isolationism was viewed as the cause and we should have learned that the oceans no longer protected us from wars abroad. Additionally, it was understood that Hitler could have be precluded more easily if the democracies had acted early. Accordingly, the lesson was to be prepared and to act when we had to to prevent the spread of the Soviet Union or its surrogates.

I went back to graduate school in 1969, after 4 years in the Air Force, and the history professors were all teaching that communisim was not a monolith, that we should pick and choose only those interventions in which the national interest, in terms of raw materials, trade lanes, or allies required.

I don’t know if that answers your question, but U.S. attitudes tend to work like a pendelum.

P.S.
Additionally, JFK was responsible for the develoment of the Special Forces as a means of conducting relatively small operations in opposition to guerilla movements. These type forces, along with the maintenance of strong conventional forces were seen as a means of conducting the Cold War aside from Brinksmanship;i.e., the only response being nuclear, so that both countries were constantly on the brink of nuclear war. So wars like Korea and Vietnam were supposed to be the means of opposing communist expansion without risking nuclear annhialation.

I thought patriotism was a love for what makes one’s country great.

I didn’t realize that it’s a litmus test for being a traitor.

dough-boy (gotta love that appellation) is no patriot. He clearly hates what makes this country great. He is clearly working assiduously to destroy this country. Black is white. War is peace. We don’t torture…

f*** ‘em all

The LA Times was a great paper. Its circulation has been plummeting since the Chandlers sold. How much Goldberg and fellow mediocrities David Un-Gelernter (computer science professor borrowed from the Weekly Standard) and Max (”Jack”) Boot have contributed to the paper’s decline is anybody’s guess. Local news and the sudoku puzzle are the only reasons I haven’t canceled yet. This posting is inspired by my deep and abiding patriotism.

The LA Times prints that shit because it’s inexpensive and generates hysterical reactions. Isn’t that what newspapers are for?

As Bob once sang “They say patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings, steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king”

Back in the Paul Conrad day, my father was associate editor of the editorial pages at the LAT under editor Tony Day (a rara avis, indeed), probably the most liberal 12 years in the history of the paper. Crap like Pantload’s maunderings, Joel Stein’s adolescent “humor” and Michael Ramirez’ doomed, unfunny attempt to be the right’s Conrad are why I rarely bother with it anymore.

I fished the Times out of a restaurant trash can this morning, got to Pantload and put it right back where it belongs.

Hugh,

Very good…..very good