I think gender vs. race is a straw [man] dog argument. The grassroots underground, now above ground, has come into its own and will not be submerged and compromised again. I find Hillary and Obama would be better labeled as “then vs. now”.

Yeah, you can label them that way, but once you get past gender and race and labels you might see they really aren’t that different. Even the pundits now are saying there’s hardly any difference in their policies.

I wonder which will be first to publicly say we’re going to have to reconsider leaving Iraq. That would certainly make it more clear which, if either, is the “now”.

The young people have reason to think that my generation screwed up. That’s why they are supporting Obama. Mrs Clinton is part of the screw-up.
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And, won’t we all be surprised when advisers from both campaigns talk privately to journalists about their growing doubts that we should leave Iraq (after all).

Progressives they aren’t.

IIRC, “Gilligan” had the same problem a while back.

No wonder they screwed up a “three hour tour”

lmao!

There’s an SNL skit in there somewhere. Heh!

Apparently, her hatred and bigotry hasn’t been limited to Senator Obama. She spewed the same filth toward Jackson during his failed run. Her claim of reverse-discrimination is deplorable.

I didn’t see any ‘hatred and bigotry’. All I read was that he was getting the Black vote and he was lucky that this year there was enough of a split White vote that this Black support was making him competetive. Isn’t the same basically true of Hillary and the female voters?

All this name-calling towards Ferraro isn’t good. I thought we Democrats weren’t afraid of words.

Ferraro’s clueless comments about lucky members of certain races…

Maybe a little political tin ear-ish, but ‘clueless’? I don’t think so. This whole question of sexism & racism and identity politics is important.

Of course, the perhaps more important question is whether Obama’s Republican “supporters” will vote for him in the general election or return to being loyal Republicans and vote for McCain. Does Obama really have the majority of Dems in his corner or should Hillary be the real nominee?

The more they argue over sexism and racism the more I wonder what that has to do with being a Democrat and what policies they’re supposedly going to offer those supporters which they wouldn’t offer to the entire nation.

John Edwards for President — Leadership for everybody!

and you are now saying that you are proud of these false promises, you are proud of your decision?

is it possible at all for you to be wrong about anything?”

Last year Helen Thomas asked George W. Bush why, after all the other reasons given for the war were proven to be wrong or lies, we were in Iraq. Bush simply said, next question and ignored her.

They have no answer for why we’re in perpetual war mode.

U.S. Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, commander of North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command, and Canadian Air Force Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, commander of Canada Command, have signed …

Surely these guys realize international treaties aren’t for military commanders to forge.

I’m sorry to hear about your near miss this morning. You don’t have to be in first gear to get creamed. Yesterday, I spent the day working on a settlement with an insurance company from an accident last year. I, along with other cars next to me, was sitting at a red light at a major intersection. The drug driver of a pickup plowed into the rear of my car because he didn’t see the red light (red for at least half a minute), the cross traffic moving, others cars slowing as they approached the light. $14,000 in damages and all the hassles dealing with an insurance company, I’m still dealing with it. Did I mention he was speeding when my car became his breaks? At this age, my body just can’t be a battering ram.

And Spitzer is resigning. Announcement will be made this morning.

How can you be on the finance cmte. and not be part of the campaign?

The DNC machine fray seems to be torn up. The status quo just isn’t working. I think gender vs. race is a straw dog argument. The grassroots underground, now above ground, has come into its own and will not be submerged and compromised again. I find Hillary and Obama would be better labeled as “then vs. now”. “DNC machine vs. grassroots”. People just don’t give up and go backwards without a serious fight.

Hillary really is out of touch with the grassroots if she thinks using the “boxed” tactic is a way to convince a movement that their choice of Obama is wrong. The people learned a lot from Karl Rove. She can keep calling Obama veep until the cows come home and it will just fuel the movement that is the force behind Obama.

Her tactics are really amateurish and rather adolescent. If she thinks that by suggestion I’ll follow her blindly, man, she needs to get a whole new team around.

In summary, they are really desperate. The good side is, this is nothing compared to what the RNC is planning.