The Senate Republican caucus -- men and women routinely portrayed by the corporate media as being "solid" and "wise" and who "have our best interests at heart," you know, like James Inhofe, John Cornyn, John McCain, Elizabeth Dole, Mitch McConnell, Ted Stevens... -- gave David "Diapers" Vitter a standing ovation when he returned to the Senate after laying low for a week after it was revealed that he had been spending a lot of time over the past decade with a series of hookers and call girls. They applauded the Family Values supporter heartily. Yesterday the Oklahoma legislature's GOP caucus took a cue from the U.S. Senate and applauded Sally Kern (R-OK City) when she returned after her anti-gay tirade a few days ago.
First, why don't you listen to her own words:
Yes, that was a state Representative in Oklahoma telling her constituents that she "honestly thinks it's the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam." I can only imagine what Muslim Oklahomans must feel-- not to mention what the families of friends of the victims of the right wing terrorists who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995 (which killed 168 people and injured over 800) must feel. This is a seriously deranged person and in a normal society she would be left to mutter and curse under her breathe. In Oklahoma, the Republican caucus gives her a standing ovation.
Obviously most Oklahomans are not hate mongers like Sally Kerns. I asked Andrew Rice, an Oklahoma state Senator running for the U.S. Senate what he makes of this kind of outburst:
By resorting to inflamatory speech to make her point, Rep. Kern not only hurts the targets of her remarks, homosexuals and non-violent Islamic religious followers, but she also offends most Oklahomans who believe in fairness and decency. Having lost a brother in the World Trade Center on 9/11, it is offensive to me that she equates homosexuality with terrorism. As elected representatives in the Oklahoma state legislature, we are each held to a higher standard in our public remarks. I wish Rep. Kern would have avoided attacking millions of people for their religion or for who they love. I expect the Republican leadership of the House of Representatives to condemn her remarks.
Andrew was right on the money-- except about the Republican leadership of the House of Representatives condemning her remarks.
Now perhaps poor Ms. Kern is distraught because he primitive believe system taught her to hate herself because of her own gay son and the only way she can justify disowning him is by lashing out. This seems to me to conflict with her job of serving the people of Oklahoma City. In fact, the very first act of this sad, delusional and obsessed woman when she managed to get into the legislature in 2005 was to introduce a bill, H.R. 1039 which urged library officials to restrict children's access to books with homosexual themes. The following year she introduced H.R. 2158 which would have mandated the state to withhold funding to any library that refused to "segregate" books with homosexual or sexually explicit material from children's sections. In 2006 she introduced H.B. 2107 that would have allowed science teachers to teach religious superstitions in public schools regarding creationism.
This morning the Oklahoman asks an important question-- Do comments create environment of hate? It's a question many Oklahomans are asking after Kerns' outburst.
"Sally Kern's comments were not only ignorant but very hurtful,” said Jerre Fine, a gay airman who served in the U.S. Air Force in Afghanistan. "We need protection from our enemies abroad. We also need protection from within, from people like Sally Kern.”
In the roughly three-minute recording of Kern at a meeting among fellow Republicans, she claimed that gays were trying to indoctrinate 2-year-olds through the school system; that they had infiltrated city councils; that no society tolerating homosexuality has ever lasted more than a few decades and that gays, even more so than terrorists, were the biggest threat facing America. The recording has been heard by more than half a million people on the Internet, according to the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, which posted it on its Web site.
At Tuesday's news conference, held at the Church of the Open Arms in Oklahoma City, many commented that it was just three months ago that they had another occasion to gather there.
In the days following the killing of Stephen Domer, a 62-year-old gay man, many of the same faces had come together to urge passage of hate-crime legislation that would include sexual orientation protections.
Domer allegedly was killed by the member of a white supremacist group. Kern's critics say her actions have helped create an environment of hate, where crimes such as Domer's killing are perpetuated.
"These words are hateful words and can result in hateful actions. This is about responsibility and accountability for words, not freedom of expression,” said Richard Ogden, chairman of Oklahoma City-based Cimarron Alliance. Ogden went on to admonish House Speaker Chris Benge, R-Tulsa, for not censuring Kern for her comments. He also lashed out at the Oklahoma Legislature in general for burying four hate crime proposals in subcommittees, and not allowing them to be debated and voted upon.
Kern absolutely refuses to apologize or back down from her bizarre statements. "I said nothing that was not true, I said nothing out of hate and I don't believe my colleagues will censure me," Kern said Monday. And she was correct. They gave her a standing ovation instead.
A standing ovation isn't what she's getting over at Pam's House, who reprinted a powerful letter to Kern from Rev. Russell Mark of the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists, reminding her of what it is to be a Christian and how registering to be a Republican is not the same thing as following Jesus Christ's teachings of love and acceptance.
As a Christian I have to ask what kind of god do you worship that you would seek the murder of children? Does your Jesus call you to spread lies, repeat gossip and innuendo about people you don't even know? Does your Jesus teach you to spread hate and to live in fear and teach others to live in fear? So very odd isn't it that your Jesus and my Jesus are so very different. You see, my Jesus teaches the power of love; to confront my enemies face to face; to embrace them and seek to understand them; to find commonality. Out of humility, seek understanding and out of love, to not be afraid. Even in my anger at what you have said, I would seek to understand how you, my sister-in-Christ would say such ignorant, offensive and incitful things. How do you take a few obscure passages and totally ignore all that Christ teaches and seek to bludgeon an entire people? How do you do this and then go to church and worship the Christ who gave everything to reconcile the world? What about bigotry and fear-mongering is Christ-like? How dare you treat the cross with such disdain! And how dare you misuse the authority of your office. Be ashamed Representative Kern. Be very ashamed. More than your constituents are watching; God is watching.
Sitting and talking with Andrew Rice and his wife a few days ago left no doubt in my mind that Sally Kerns is not all there is to Oklahoma. The state has gotten a bad name in recent years by electing and re-electing a series of crackpot politicians like Tom Colburn and James Inhofe. I'm optimistic that this year Oklahoma will go a long way towards making up for those misjudgments by replacing Inhofe with Andrew Rice. Blue America has endorsed him and we urge anyone who disagrees with Sally Kern's vicious remarks to donate-- even if just one dollar-- to Andrew's campaign.
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hi Howie
Sometimes you can’t even shame them by playing their rants back to them. They do not see their speech as hateful bigotry.
They’re almost proud of it.
Eureka Springs gets a shoutout!
Hey Howie, great work on Blue America. 42k is grand!
Going up to read your post.
great post, howie
Clearly, people need to stop having gay children. It appears to drive them around the bend. (Schafly, Keyes, Briggs, Kern, etc.)
I am proud to be a Native Oklahoman. We will be blue again one day. Very blue.
Aloha, Howie! I seem to recall that Timothy McViegh was an ardent Aryan Nation fundie…?
It is for the kind of statement made by this woman that hate crimes legislation was invented.
I had a very dear Oklahoman Native cousin who died a year ago from cancer, as a result of aids. We in the family miss Steve… terribly.
Sho’nuff, what’s wrong with those parents…? Heh, I personally think that my eldest is pursuing a Phd in Psych to solve her own ‘confused’ lifestyle…! ;-)
“She’s a maniac, maniac on the floor,
and she’s dancin like she never danced before!
She’s a maniac, maniac……”
you get the idea.
great post
You have no idea how often our wonderful town attracts outside haters.
As a group none of them even suspects they are insane?
Not even one?!
Substitute Republican for gay in that rant and we just might agree.
Understand this: Some of my best friends are Oklahomans. ;0)
I think there should be a special island way far away for Sally Kern, Mean Jean, and G. Ferraro. Let’s see. We need a fourth for bridge. mmmmmmmmm. Mrs. Cheney!
Isn’t this 2008? Hard to believe, huh?
You all are the new us!
Howie!
Thank you so much for this!
What a powerful post, and what a moving and righteously thundering letter Rev. Russell Mark wrote!
This was the perfect follow-up to read after having seen Keith’s scorcher of a comment on Clinton and Ferraro (which also had me shouting Amen!)
I’ve been more hopeful, lately, odd though it may sound to some…these hate-mongers and race baiters and bigots are gradually going the way of the dinosaur. I see more evidence every day that more and more people are rejecting hatred — they are becoming more and more repulsed by it.
And this is one reason why Obama’s campaign has caught fire across the country, in unexpected places, with supporters pouring in from unsuspected quarters –
because people are longing to put hatred and fear-mongering behind, and to bury it in the past.
Those who pander to it, they’re on the side of the dinosaurs.
Remenber: as goes Oklahoma; so goes California and New York. ;0)
i think stupidity and bigotry are bigger threats actually
You’re right, K8. People are sick to death of turning on their radios and televisions and having people yell and scream hateful words. Enough, already.
i am missing the shout-out.
Loo Hoo -
Are you still looking for a recipe for blue cheese dressing?
Almost twenty five years ago I first moved to ES. At that time at least half the elected officials were openly Gay.
I am hoping this is not a subtle way to degrade Oklahomans.
I wonder whether Pat Buchanan will be punished for telling that black woman to “shut up.”
Oh, and one other thing.
While we drove across the country, schlepping all our earthly belongs in a camper attached to a rickety truck, pulling our ancient Ford car (stuffed with more belongings) to move to Arizona, we found ourselves enchanted by the beauty of Oklahoma.
And Oklahomans were warm, friendly, and very hospitable to us Northeastern city folk when our truck broke down and we had to stay longer in campgrounds than anticipated. And prior to that trip, I had had no idea of the beauty of the rolling hills and lakes of Oklahoma.
Makes me wanna burst out in song from that musical, lemme see, what’s it called? ;-)
Where in the main post do you see such a possibility?
No Kiddo, just one that is especially odius.
Wasn’t that long before Erik Estrada started hawking lots nearby…? ;-)
Did I indicate I did?
OKK, the Oklahomans I know best are you and Lahoma. And a finer pair couldn’t be found anywhere at all outside of Texas.
How else can you justify Inhofe and Coburn…? *g*
We’re only sayin’
You’re doin’ fine, Oklahoma!
Oklahoma O.K.
L - A - H - O - M - A
OKLAHOMA!
Yeeow!
Expressing your “hopes” certainly suggested you did, imo.
I am really pissed today. Fucking Pelosi is the most worthless politician we’ve ever had to suffer through. We might be rid of cheney/bush right now if not for her. The repukes were going to impeach Spitzer, while bushco walks free everyday WTF!!!
If I could drink I’d be drunk off my ass right now.
/End of rant.
As a former Oklahoman, I appreciate this disclaimer by Howie:
“Obviously most Oklahomans are not hate mongers like Sally Kerns.”
Ah, yes, that’s how it goes!
;-)
I loved singing that song in our choral class in school; it pumps up the good energy flowing through your veins, mightily.
It was Inhofe who bragged that his family had never had a gay in it.
Sally Kerns meet David Duke.
Just got back. Yes, have you got a recipe? Thanks!
I drove through Oklahoma once, does that count?
*g*
She did get a standing ovation from her caucus, though, so she’s not being shunned as she should be.
In the rant when she talks about city councils being taken over by Teh Gay, she mentions Eureka Springs as an example of such.
In a motel?!?
;-)
under the sheets.
:O
aha! thanks
I hardly think so. Is this a debate?
This just in from Oklahoma City (AP via The Oklahoman):
Sanity continues to break out in Oklahoma.
Great post, Howie — and good luck, Andrew! It sure would be nice to see someone like him in DC.
LOL!!!
What a convenient, multi-purpose fashion! Just what the hip dinosaur is wearing these days…
I agree with you. Those legislators are not fit to represent their state.
Sure they are, that’s why they listen.
BTW, I just noticed that Keith posted a thread at Kos about tonight’s Special Comment, and it’s got almost a thousand comments already. (Of course, maybe y’all discussed this already in a prior thread?)
Better lay off on this thread for a while.
I don’t like these kinds of quotes or statements. It almost seems to reflect regionalism. They have these same kinds of idiots in Cali, or NY or anywhere else.
“They applauded the Family Values supporter heartily. Yesterday the Oklahoma legislature’s GOP caucus took a cue from the U.S. Senate and applauded Sally Kern (R-OK City) when she returned after her anti-gay tirade a few days ago.”
More from the OK legislature (this from last week), featuring Andrew Rice:
Someone who looks for “win-win for everybody” could be quite a change from Inhofe.
Buchanan needs to apologize for telling her to shut up tonight before the show is over. She stood up for herself and Rachel stood up with her. Good for them, bad for Pat. I was appalled.
Mary, dmac asked me to relay this linky to you… It’s the eighth pix when ya scroll down…
http://icanhascheezburger.com/
Yep.
See my 51 and 58, for instances of OK sanity, Ms. Kern notwithstanding.
For anyone who’s wondering, I can assure you that Andrew is running a professional campaign. His communications team does a great job keeping even wee Blue America donors like me informed of goings-on. This is the kind of seat we were very dubious about two years ago — Virginia, Montana, Rhode Island. Luckily, we have even more of these Senate possibilities this round.
I’m very happy to be an Andrew Rice supporter, and pleased that he’s taken a firm stand on Sally Kern’s hate speech. Has anyone gotten a statement from Senator Inhofe yet?
Wonder if an email barrage would matter?
Indeed I do. Don’t know a good time to pass it to you since I’m often asleep when you’re on-line and doubt the Lake would appreciate my throwing it in right now. Do you ever check in on Pull Up A Chair Saturday morning?
Don’t worry kiddo, every state has the Kern types in elected position. Sometime they do get voted out. Arizona has had some really crazy folks in the time I have been here. Usually they put their foot in their mouth and it is obvious to most people that they need to voted out.
But fewer people are listening these days, I do believe.
The ratings for hate radio (while still way too high) are slipping (Melanie What’s-er-Face got the boot in California, for example). “Fixed News”, as Keith calls it, has had noticeable declines, too.
In my world where I see it is in the comments from folks who didn’t used to sound so open before, but now seem genuinely disgusted by the place fear-mongering and bigotry has been taking us.
Don’t get me wrong, the David Dukes of this world are still very, very dangerous (which is why I admire Orcinus so much), but they aren’t getting the kind of traction they’d love to get (and which they feel they’re entitled to by virtue of their {gag!} “purity”).
I hope you are right.
Oops.
Sorry about that…I guess I’d better go back and read earlier threads to see what I inadvertantly stumbled into.
No harm meant to anyone’s feelings at the Lake.
I guess I’m projecting. I listen to Sean Hannity whenever I go pick up lunch. (About twice a week for 10 minutes.) It’s all so ugly and mean-spirited. The only time I heard anything worth repeating was this week when a caller referred to Spitzer as “love potion number 9.”
letters@msnbc.com
It seems someone at Blue Oklahoma noticed what happened in Denny Hastert’s old district, and they liked what they saw.
Haaa! I love it.
No biggie, someone went all crazy about being off topic on the last thread.
What’s next, cameltoes…? ;-)
“Buchanan needs to apologize for telling her to shut up tonight before the show is over. She stood up for herself and Rachel stood up with her. Good for them, bad for Pat. I was appalled.”
As was I. I brought this up at the end of the last thread, but most folks had gone upstairs.
We do not find this post pleasing. Do you understand that Mr. Klein?
Lahoma and okk.
Absolutely! I immediately sent e-mails after I looked for a phone number on MSNBC.com, but could not find one. He needs to apologize on the air to her before the show is over.
Yes! I’ll be here for most, if not all, of Christy’s thread. If I miss it, I’ll read later. Hope to see you there. Now you’re making me want a cobb salad!
I would think a community where Ms Kern lives and speaks like she does, would first and foremost take her words as a warning.. Do not allow your two year olds to be around that woman!
I’ve got to tell you all a little story.
On September 11th, 2001, I was working on a project in Los Angeles. My Bride was back in NY and had planned to fly west on 9/12 to join me for my birthday party on 9/15. Needless to say, she didn’t fly, and missed my birthday party. No one flew, for several days. Then airplanes began flying again and I finished my project and was ready to come home. But my Bride was nervous and didn’t want me to fly, not yet, it was too soon. She suggested that i drive home in my rented car. I thought that was a fantastic idea and left several days later.
I drove east on I40 and on the way I saw my daughter who was in school in Santa Fe, visited the Grand Canyon, Nashville, Memphis, Graceland, and Gettysburg on the way home. That trip was one of the most gratifying experiences I have ever had. Seeing my country, the nation of my birth, coast to coast, by myself, in a leisurely manner. But one of the most emotional days I have ever had in my life occurred when I visited the Oklahoma City Memorial in OKC. It destroyed me. It was so beautiful and devastating that it had me in tears for hours. I will never forget it. If you ever get by that way, do not miss it.
My Oklahoma story, hope you liked it.
Do you think Rachel will bring it up on her show?
Gimme a nudge if I forget; hopefully Christy won’t mind.
I missed it. What happened?
Also, I’m working on Bob Hamilton’s campaign, and would appreciate if any pups know of CSPAN clips of Issa that are particularly egregious. If you see any hearings in the future where Issa needs to be documented, please note the name of the hearing and the time. Another firepup is working with me to put together a worst of the worst Issa YouTube.
Surely you are not defending the hatespeech of Sally Kern? What about the post is displeasing to you? Would you have the locale of Sally Kern left out of the post so as not to offend? Surely that would lead to less support for Andrew Rice.
I cannot see what you could find displeasing about this post.
waccamaw i have loo hoo’s email addy and i want the recipe too if you don’t mind. i am at tex betsy at g mail.
I hope she brings it up with MSNBC management.
Betsy, would you send it to me too, please?
Buchanan should be fired forthwith.
That was despicable.
Raven - left you one downstairs..
Many of us here in Oklahoma who are working so hard to return our state to blueness do not take kindly to having our shortcomings bandied about. We know what our deficiencies are. We don’t need someone to point them out to us. Lahoma is livid. And so am I.
I just wanted to say every state has one bad nut in it, here in Florida we proudly hold Katherine Harris up to this standard, I believe she was running for the US Senate and she said something borderline hate speech about Jewish people.
I just wrote Rachel.
I don’t know what it’s a recipe for, but I want it too, Betsy.
Everyone wants this recipe waccamaw, just post it. If it pisses anyone off, they’ll have to try it before they complain!
sangemon –
Yes, I loved your story. We too saw much beauty on our way across the country, and although we were stressed out by the move, and by our scarily rickety vehicle and our scarier financial state, we couldn’t help but be touched by the beauty — both of the landscapes and the diverse folks across the way.
We didn’t have time to see the memorial, but I would definitely want to if we get the chance to pass that way again.
We spend a great deal of time on FDL pointing out the problems with America. Most of us are Americans. I ask you to think for a minute what you are saying. You are much too important to this blog.
i need to start a recipe blog!
nighty night
I hope this proves to be Buchanan’s “Robert Novak moment” (that ended his tenure at Crossfire)
I realize MSNBC feels a need to provide some partisan “balance,” but I think Buchanan has outlived his usefulness for that purpose.
It was unspeakably rude and disrespectful. The network can do better than that.
I am quite sure they both will complain to MSNBC management. They both verbalized on the show how inappropriate it was. If Buchanan doesn’t apologize tonight on the air, it will just be another blow-up for MSNBC.
sleep well raven
I am not doing that at all. Defending the Sally Kern speech, I mean. And I think you know it. What I object to is the constant reference to Oklahoma in connection to negatitive and bigoted political spokespeople. Can’t Klein fight his own battles? However make no mistake. I will go toe to toe with whoever.
I have said “shut up” in anger or frustration. Almost immediately I breathe deeply, apologize, and continue with, “What I meant to say is ….”
Just so you know, it was on the Ellen Degeneres show, so about a million people knew before this post.
Aloha, Raven!
Kiddo, dear friend, this thread has been pointing out that Oklahoma is NOT made up of Sally Kern clones.
And many, like myself, have been inspired by the post itself to write about our very good experiences of the people there.
It sounds like your heart hurts about these matters — a big warm hug to you, and to Lahoma.
kiddo, we make fun of Texans here too. And New Yorkers. And Californians. And the entire state of Florida. I don’t think it’s meant to be offensive.
In connection with this epidode, what in your view do you think I am saying?