If this is a government source for these reports, that says to me that someone wants this story out there in spades.
There are any number of people who have an axe to grind with Gov. Spitzer, and NY politics is certainly a hardball environment — but this is a serious amount of detail to be throwing out publicly in a case which has not yet been indicted. Which makes me wonder if the public pressure isn’t designed to force a resignation rather than having to prosecute him.
First, from the NYTimes:
…But this was not typical: transactions by a governor who appeared to be trying to conceal the source, destination or purpose of the movement of thousands of dollars in cash, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
The money ended up in the bank accounts of what appeared to be shell companies, corporations that essentially had no real business.
The transactions, officials said, suggested possible financial crimes — maybe bribery, political corruption, or something inappropriate involving campaign finance. Prostitution, they said, was the furthest thing from the minds of the investigators….
But before long, the investigators learned that the money was being moved to pay for sex and that the transactions were being manipulated to conceal Mr. Spitzer’s connection to payments for meetings with prostitutes, the official said.
Then, with the assistance of a confidential informant, a young woman who had worked previously as a prostitute for the Emperor’s Club V.I.P., the escort service that Mr. Spitzer was believed to be using, the investigators were able to get a judge to approve wiretaps on the cellphones of some of those suspected of involvement in the escort service.
The wiretaps, along with the records of bank accounts held in the names of the shell companies, revealed a world of prostitutes catering to wealthy men. At the center was the Emperor’s Club, which arranged “dates” with more than 50 beautiful young women in New York, Paris, London, Miami and Washington.
But its finances moved through the shell companies — the QAT Consulting Group, QAT International and Protech Consulting — which held bank accounts into which clients wired their payments, according to court papers in the case. (emphasis mine)
Incredibly stupid conduct from a man who worked both in the Manhattan DA’s office and as NY’s AG, prosecuting among other things, Wall Street firms whose financial transgressions were tracked in similar fashion by investigators and forensic accountants for his office and the feds. Beyond stupid. Especially after 9/11, when financial transactions are tracked constantly and closely by an FBI looking for any anomaly. Using an informant who has flipped as a witness against the target is a fairly common means of nailing someone in this kind of case — and Spitzer would have known that, too.
Was this "confidential informant" also the defendant who was quoted in the information regarding the difficulty of Mr. Spitzer as a client — the "not safe" quote? And, if so, why did the USAtty include that part of the conversation in the information using an informant who knowingly put that information on the wiretap record? (If she wasn’t the informant or cooperating with the government on Feb. 13/14, then that point is obviously moot.) That’s a question worth getting answers to, in my book, because that inclusion seemed solely designed for public humiliation of Spitzer and not for prosecution purposes.
The financial concerns regarding weird, hidden transactions passed through a dummy corp from a public official are legitimate questions that a public corruption investigator would ask — but I’m still left wondering how this was brought to the FBI’s attention, what triggered the reporting, whether the transactions were clustered or otherwise suspicious, or how the pattern emerged that caught the bank’s eye? Was it just one questionable transaction, brought to the FBI’s attention — they saw Spitzer’s name, and gave his accounts increased scrutiny? Or was it multiple transactions caught and brought in at once as a suspicious pattern of behavior? As a public official, there would be particular questions on public corruption that you wouldn’t have with a non-official defendant, and that triggers a whole host of questions on how determinations were made to proceed on this that investigators would have had to ask and answer as they moved the case forward.
Then, this from the NYSun, which speculates on potential prosecutions lines for misuse of public funds and employees, the Mann Act, and financial transactional charges:
…Law enforcement officials are also expected to try to contact any prostitutes whom Mr. Spitzer patronized, as well as interview Mr. Spitzer’s inner circle about their knowledge of his conduct, former prosecutors say.
The situation raised the question of whether the governor may come under pressure to resign to placate prosecutors….
Other prosecutors from other districts could also consider charges.
The U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia, Jeffrey Taylor, is charged with enforcing not only federal laws but the district’s municipal anti-prostitution laws as well.
Conceivably any U.S. attorney whose district includes a section of the train tracks that carried the prostitute, identified in court papers as Kristen, from Penn Station in Manhattan to Union Station in Washington, has jurisdiction to try to bring a Mann Act case against Mr. Spitzer, a former federal prosecutor who did not want to be identified because he did not want to appear to be advocating prosecution of Mr. Spitzer, said.
Now, all of that "throw the kitchen sink at him" information is coming from somewhere for this reporter to put into his story — and several lawyers are named (Andrew Hruska, Todd Harrison, Barry Kamins), along with a host of off-the-record anonymous "several former prosecutors." The hints at questioning associates to see if they were involved certainly add to that pressure around him for "what’s my future" discussions.
Then there is this from another NYTimes story:
Mr. Spitzer has not been charged with a crime. But one law enforcement official who has been briefed on the case said that Mr. Spitzer’s lawyers would probably meet soon with federal prosecutors to discuss any possible legal exposure. The official said the discussions were likely to focus not on prostitution, but on how it was paid for: Whether the payments from Mr. Spitzer to the service were made in a way to conceal their purpose and source. That could amount to a crime called structuring, which carries a penalty of up to five years in prison.
Say hello to at least one FBI or IRS agent, most likely, as a source. Plus there are any number of other stories in other NY papers giving more contextual details and pulling quotes from public and anonymous political and law enforcement sources. That’s a lot of public pressure and talk of resignation and criminal exposure. And I can’t help wondering whether this is coming from the GOP side of the aisle, or the Dem side…or both. Or if the SDNY is signaling that Spitzer should resign and they won’t drop a prosecutorial dime on him. Or whether they have more, and this is a signal to his counsel to work on a deal. Any or all of that is possible.
Lots and lots of questions, including all the ones that Jane, and Digby, and Scott Horton raised yesterday…very few answers on any of them this morning.
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someone noted in atrios’ comments that much identifying detail was blacked out — with one exception:
“Who ever redacted the full complaint didn’t do a very good job. They black out the location of one of the offices everywhere but in the title. Location of one of the hooker shops: Clinton Ave.”
This Spitz snare was reverse engineered.
He did nothing to flag an investigation.
He was most likely caught being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Most like a disgruntled hooker rated out the operation and the feds decided to cast a web and see what came up. They got lucky and caught the gov and then “created the case.”
He wasn’t involved in trafficking. He simply paid a high priced hooker and expected privacy.
I am waiting to see who else is going down and why and how they busted this operation. Web surfing?
Hi Christy!
Thanks Christy, great song!
If you have that many enemies seems that you would really make sure that you are above the board. How it went down, stinks but had he kept it in his pants, we might be discussing FISA or other far more important issues.
Why would the transactions of a multimillionaire to consultants signal anything illegal? Unless you were target the recipient as an illegal operation, there is no reason to suspect anything wrong with the gov’s transactions.
Wow, the terrarits can sleep soundly at night knowing our government’s crack investigative agencies are busy pursuing governors who are banging hookers. OMG.
Why call it “cash” if it was simply transferred from one account to another?
Didn’t it used to be “money”? What else could you transfer – credit?
NO KIDDING! I’m bored to tears with this ALREADY! And curious about a lot of more important things ongoing now. Oh well. I’ve gotten tough at waiting out bs news cycles in the last few years. sheeeeeeesh.
I’d rather read some psych eval on how and why someone like him GETS this self destructive!
Howie Klein also asks the same questions:
DWT
I agree he was playing with fire and that is a whole other discussion on why he was paying for extra marital sex.
The perplexing thing is that he would risk his career and marriage etc. This angle is perhaps the most interesting.
I don’t think having a strange sex life means you can’t work in government or handle a job.
J Edgar Hoover
Nelson Rockefeller
Bill Clinton
People presume that the sex lives are private even when they pay. Even paying lots doesn’t mean your secrets are kept.
wnyc reporting points out that this couldn’t come at a worse time for NYS. Fiscal year begins on April 1, and projected deficit is $4 billion & gorwing worse daily as oil price rises & Wall St. layoffs get larger. (1/5 of state revenues come from Wall St., according to reporter.) Albany is now paralized, so can’t work on budget.
By the way…
Why can’t they find all the missing billions in Iraq?
How did “they” (IRS) miss the scam of Blackwater calling its employees sub contractors?
When BW was vetted as qualified to be awarded small biz contracts, didn’t any one ask this company is getting hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts… how are they a small business?
Why is the IRS and the feds wasting time busting hooker rings when corporations are jumping through multi million dollar loop holes daily?
Why wasn’t the IRS investigating the mortgage industry scams?
The spitzer spoiler also clouded over his preemptive move towards states’ rights
NY Bill to Declare Abortion a Fundamental Right for Women is Top Legislative Priority for Gov. Spitzer
You didn’t intend that in a “naughty” way, did you??
Let’s blame the collapse of NYState on Spitz’s dick
Still haven’t been able to find answer to this question I’ve been asking since yesterday morn…
Last week, this story was being reported already (no Spitzer angle yet) and the Fed were saying it was a prostitution investigation first.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03…..100827.htm
They were still saying it yesterday morning until it switched to supposedly starting with Spitzer’s financial activity. Which is it? Makes the Spitzer angle seem very fishy to me.
Anyone know of an explanation for this change in the official story?
I wish people would stop calling what he did “stupid,” though. It was wrong is all. Stupid, also, but wrong first. I’m utterly disappointed. There are plenty of men with plenty of testosterone who are not selfish. He exposed the mother of his children to god knows what diseases.
What I read so far of his quotes, I haven’t found that awful, “I made a mistake.” If he can avoid THAT one, I’ll still retain one iota of respect for him.
The FBI wouldn’t get involved in a criminal prosecution involving prostitution and national figures from the Democratic Party.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Cue KT Tunstall singing Suddenly I See.
Gosh, I despise these motherfuckers. Though Spitzer is a douchebag.
This “incident” confirms that there are boneheads all around and things never are as they appear, or when they appear bad they are probably a lot worse.
…and the flaccid economy?
Former dominatrix now calling in to wnyc.
I could care less if he paid or bartered for sex (it is a private affair) but he is a public official and if the allegations hod true, he broke the law. Why he would do this, like you said, is the most intriguing (my word) of all but personally I’m saddened because of the effect that this will have on his family and how this will play out to his three daughters.
If the actual intent of the prosecution was to “get” Spitzer because someone didn’t like his policies, or saw some political advantage in humiliating a Dem governor, then I have issues with resignation. IMHO US Attorney-gate explodes all over the map.
Bullseye, as per usual Christy.
Great catch on the “not safe” stuff. I completely missed that and your interpretation sure makes sense to me.
The information below sickens me, because it confirms they kept the investigation going AFTER they knew it was hookers.
As far as I’m concerned, this was pure politics and more confirmation, that we didn’t need, of the complete politicization of the DoJ. The Bushies were fishing. They were hoping it would be a male whore or at least something kinky.
As you said, Spitzer was way beyond stupid. I hope his wife throws him out and divorces his sorry ass.
But, maybe this will give the Vichy Dems some spine. This is what they get for all the “bipartisanship,” they have provided. I’ll hope the Dems aggressively point out that the same resources used to surveil Spitzer, were supposed to be used against suspected terrorists and organized crime.
Spitzers got nothing to lose, I hope he fights this with all his resources. He owes it to the Dems and the nation. It’s an opportunity to reveal the politicization of the DoJ.
What will Boehner say?
The whole thing probably was probably the irs trying to bust the owners of the operation. They got one of the hookers to turn because she felt ripped off and blabbed for a pass getting into deep do.
Then they decided to fish with their taps and came up with a bog one, the gov.
Then they turned the story around to make it seem like the gov’s suspicious activity led to the hooker operation. That will turn out to be wrong.
Oh, I don’t know, Christy — don’t you trust the Bush DoJ, and its IRS & FBI appendages, to do the right thing? This DoJ has been so squeaky clean and honorable up to now; why would they suddenly target a Democratic governor in a presidential election year?
Siegelman part two has commenced, the main effect of which is to insulate
Wall Street from any followup by an Attorney General Spitzer… Rove’s
performance on Fox commenting on the case was a giveaway… Spitzer did
his part and gave it up almost nothing.
He’ll cry.
My guess is that he makes it through this- but with great difficulty- and he’ll walk with a limp for the rest of his term.
Too bad- big state governors are always at the top of the list for prez material- which may expain why he was taken down…
Dumb shit thing to be caught doin- and as a prosecutor he should have known the risks.
Shiny. Object.
There is a ton of things that someone would rather you didn’t focus on right now.
Like maybe, 600,000 pages of documents that say Saddam never had Al and the Quaeda’s over for tea?
“Beyond stupid.”
It was absolutely delusional for Spitzer to think that this wouldn’t somehow come to light. It’s beyond delusional.
Funny how their buds at Enron took down Gray Davis early in BushEra time, but no one remembers that in this current context.
Democratic governors of the two largest states were targeted by BushCo.
“delusional”
Well most pols probably get away with it- it just wasn’t his day.
My first thought is that this is related to illegal wiretapping and the Bushco all encompassing surveillance program. Of course it couldn’t be used for blackmail or extortion. We’re supposed to trust that the government will only use it for honorable purposes, and to keep us safe from terrorists.
Now if he shows up on a no-fly list…..
Not many pols have so many powerful people and so much money available to engineer their downfall.
Why should his wife throw him out?
How do you know why he was paying for “sex” outside the marriage? Maybe he asked his wife for something she refused to do. Or maybe she said she had X and he never asked and decided to get it discreetly outside.
Loads of men find themselves in otherwise good relationships with women who refuse to “satisfy” them or their “needs”. Some women consent to their mates getting their special needs elsewhere.
Spitz and the wifey need to communicate a bit more about their shared sex life. I suspect they didn’t or that for the gov he was dead ended. What he did was very risky and boneheaded.
Sex makes way too many people very irrational.
New York Times in the last five minutes: Aides Say They Expect Spitzer to Resign
My guess is that he doesn’t resign unless everyone promises not to prosecute. His office is his best bargaining chip, at this point.
Boehner gushing? Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.
That’s just the point that the dominatrix made who called into wnyc.
OT – anybody wanna see my purple finger?
The R’s don’t have much to run as Gov in NYS. Joe Bruno??????? ha Rick Lazio????? Al D’Amato?
And a Bright shiny object, at that.
It was reported this investigation started over 2 years ago. The shifting “official” story calls into question a lot of the supposed “evidence,” which if this is the case, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Spitzer fight this. Elliot doesn’t seem like a very classy guy, but damn he’s a bulldog with the law.
Hi PhysioProf. Haven’t seen you here for awhile.
“Whether the payments from Mr. Spitzer to the service were made in a way to conceal their purpose and source. That could amount to a crime called structuring,”
Can someone tell me what this means and why it’s a crime?
Can you explain this please. The same thing was said when Alan Hevisi was caught telling his state driver to drive his wife to doctor’s appointments. So he resigned and no charges were filed. I do not see the connection. Why is the office a bargaining chip?
Well, election is 2-3/4 years away, so who knows what can happen by then. Bloomberg can still change back to R (or change back to D). Bwahahaha.
what a stupid and insulting comment. yes, of course, it’s the wife’s fault that poor, backed-up eliot took up with hookers. and had nothing to do with his selfish, privileged life of no accountability.
check the expression on his wife’s face as spitzer made his comments yesterday.
I am convinced he was caught in a wide net they cast looking for some “minor” IRS crap and when they saw it was a high priced operation thought they would net some fat fish. They did.
Let’s see who else they catch.
Hi, eCahn. Busy, busy, busy.
1,783 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
“Democratic governors of the two largest states were targeted by Bushco.”
Yes indeed!! And it all began BEFORE 9/11…and unless the House of Representatives holds firm against telecom immunity they’re gunna get away with it.
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP YER EYES ON THE TARGET…THIS AIN’T ABOUT SEX FER GOD’S SAKE!!!
I assume that’s good, since your work is so interesting.
It’s probably best to avoid making assumptions or judgements about someone else’s marriage- there are almost always factors that are invisible to outsiders.
I have no idea why he banged the hooker but it didnt work out well for him
Because it is not good for them politically.
Let’s see who else they catch.
Given the amounts of money involved with this “service”, I am also very interested in just who else shows up. Not just anybody can come up with that kind of cash (presumably more than once).
Heidi Fleiss gives a “pro’s opinion on Spitzer.
link
Right the Fuck On Citizen Norske !!!111
No one else will be “caught.” This seems designed to catch Spitzer & no one else.
I notice that all the talk of Emperors Club laundering mob money has disappeared from today’s coverage.
This is not insulting or stupid.
Suppose for example, that Sptz wanted to have his wife walk on him in heels or whip him or something else kinky. If he broached the subject his wife indicates that she finds that sort of game repulsive and would never be caught dead doing such things. They may or may not have discussed his “needs”. Heck she may have had special needs too which she kept secret. This is just a thought experiment.
He may have made a calculus that the risk was worth it and if he went to a high class very private operation where they encountered other men who were in these situations and would accommodate them and keep quiet for a fat sum. Bad risk calculation. But I can see how it ended up done that road.
He and his wife need to communicate and seek some counseling to work out their shared sex life to be one of mutual support. He did a selfish thing, but he thought he wouldn’t get caught. He did.
Christy -
Sure am glad we’ve got you and the other lawyers at the Lake to comb thru’ this kinda stuff with a fine-tooth comb for nuances.
We can expect the MSM to start asking similar question any time now, right?
*crickets*
My theory is that the bankers, who are part of the wall street community that loathes Spitzer, singled Spitzer out and reported him to the IRS as payback for all of the financial crimes he prosecuted.
Usually when you get married, there is this sort of agreement that sen stays within the marriage. If it was an open marriage, why pay for it? There are plenty of swinging clubs.
You right, sex made Spitzer irrational
I see the Republicans are calling for impeachment of Spitzer now. Funny, none of them were calling for impeachment of Sen. Sessions or Sen. Craig. Funny how Republicans only want to impeach if it is a Democrat in a sex scandal. Nevermind crimes against the constitution. I despise the GOP. They make me sick.
This sounds like they were asked to do BDSM things they were not skilled in and this can be “dangerous”. Not every pretty face can swing a whip or know how to do safe bondage. It sounds like more than screwing. Doesn’t it?
Christy said it a lot better than I can:
IMVHO, this was just a political hack job, the GOP’s version of
ratf*ckingaggressive opposition research. The Bushies don’t like playing defense, answering questions about Mark Foley, David diapers Vitter, and Larry I’m-not-gay Craig. So they told the DoJ to find some high ranking Dem with a sex problem. They got the goods on Spitzer first and then to cover their illegal surveillance planted the story about the bank reporting suspicious transactions. My guess is that they destroyed all the evidence they had accumulated prior to whatever bank documents exist. No facts, but the GOP isn’t real creative. This is what they’re best at and they think it constitutes governance. YMMV.eCahn: Yes, good busy.
were they laundering mob money?
Spitzer is a target of the Feds as well as his other enemies with power to spare. Like Clinton, if you are surrounded by your enemies why would you put yourself in an obvious compromise position that is tabloid fadder? Spitzer did behave recklessly. For that only he can take responsibility.
As a public figure who held others to a very high standard, he is no exception to his own ethical and moral mandates. As for the Feds and the media haydaying this story, that is the expected. The public loves gossip and the dirtier, the better.
Was Spitzer just a john caught up in a general sweep? Something in me says, naaah. He was/is a target. Will more hit the press? This has only just begun. Remember the details that Star put on the Internet on Clinton? He already admitted he lied but still the seedy details were put out there just to make certain everyone knew all the most humiliating details. It was ugly. The Republicans won in 2000. It worked.
As for money laundering I wish someone would investigate Bush and Cheney. Nada. So who controls the FBI? No government agency is independent.
In the meantime, the world is struggling in noblier causes. Tibet monks protested in Lhasam city and the people surrounded them protecting them from the Chinese military.
Aung San Suu Kyi met with a UN Envoy in Burma. Like previous trips by UN envoys, the military regime rejected all the UN proposals. Meanwhile, China has provided the military regime with billions of dollars and humdreds of millions of dollars in aid. Could this be the result of our trade agreements with China that transfers US wealth?
Maybe we can have an impeachment bonanza. All the creeps can sit at the dock and be judged for the alleged crimes.
I’d take that.
Don’t forget Vitter.
Great the media *cough* opportunists come out to trash talk. I remember seeing a striking picture of Poppy Bush arm and arm with a much younger woman who was pegged as one of Heidi Fleiss’. I could be wrong about Poppy. Maybe Heidi can clarify. Or is she partisan too?
Isn’t “unsafe” in this context almost certainly code for “fucking with no condom”?
ding ding ding ding
A message to all lawmakers not to cause trouble. Not that Spitzer necessarily needed taking down, but it passes on the warning. We know what you are doing and can bring you down. Don’t get out of line.
or craig
I’d like to restate my thoughts from yesterday:
1. Spitzer is a sleazebag and needs to resign.
2. The “We were just following the money” story is pure bullshit. He wasn’t listed as “Target” or “Money Launderer #1″. He was “Client #9″. That means there were at least 8 other clients before him. They were tapping the prostitution ring, not Spitzer.
Howard Fineman and another talking head I can’t remember implied that Spitzer had become unhappy with what he had become and subconsciously wanted to get caught. It sounded like fiction writing when I heard it, but here’s his article saying the same thing in less depth.
that is one of the most interesting takes on an extra marital affair I have seen to date. I find much of it bullshit, but it is interesting to say the least
I don’t know. I picked that up yesterday, but was surfing so many different sources that I can’t remember where it came from. Perhaps I heard it on CNBC. But it doesn’t seem to have been in today’s reports, so perhaps it wasn’t true. That’s why I think I may have heard it on CNBC; since they hate Spitzer so much, they might have just made up stufff.
1,783 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
SanderO:
I’m sure that your marriage and sex counselin’ bonifides are quite up to date so why don’tcha jest go to Spitzer’s website and offer yer services (so ta speak). Better still, offer yer services ta MRS. Spitzer I’m sure she would be more’n happy ta tell ya what you ken do with yer great wisdom and knowledge about sex and relationships.
Please do offer your expertise to people who give a rats ass what you think about such matters and STFU about it here…yer becomin’ a parody of yerself!
KEEP THE FAITH AND GET THAT SHIT OUTTA THE YARD!!
But Spitzer was “Client #9″, or something, wasn’t he? It may well have been a hit job, but surely they’re not gonna risk making it so brazenly obvious as such by failing to indict anyone else. Just my opinion though.
And I said yesterday that the idea that someone was “laundering” money through an entity which is, by definition, illegal, or at the very least legally suspect (escort service?) is ridiculous.
Spitz may be a goner, but he needs to push back on the way out and expose the back story and the hypocrisy of the right and that this was probably ALSO a political hit job. He did a boneheaded thing, but I’d bed they were gunning for him from the get go.
ding ding ding
OT..Looks as if the House if going to give Bush a FU with the FISA bill..(I hope)
NYT
What makes you think that, just because Spitzer was #9, that there were at least 8 others? If I were going to trump up charges against Spitzer, I wouldn’t have dubbed him #1. And have you noticed the MSM probing who the others were? Nope. They have long been forgotten.
no
they followed him becaues of “unusual financial activity”
first, what FRIGGIN business does the government have with a governor’s “financial activity”
how the HELL do they find out about it, does the bank just friggin give the information out?
and then, how the HELL do they get a warrant based on that without siting “national security”
and IF they use “national security” to secure their warrant, that means this info is inadmissable
twolf1 @ 72 and tw3k @ 77
don’t you get it, the Republicans are Christians, so they must have forgiven their sinners.
Yes, I think I should have stated Vitter instead of Sessions.
Hey fella, I am like the rest of you on the net, speculating. If you don’t like it, fine.
Mrs. Greenspan interviewing some hag from the WSJ who described Wall Street as being “stunned – and gleeful” when the Spitzer news came out.
bullox
In the “trade” it sounds like “unsafe” means unprotected anal intercourse.
see link at 58
Sorry to be OT, but there is a hearing on Iraq Waste, Fraud and Abuse on Cspan3 right now. They are on a 5 min break, and PatLahey has just said the next pannel up will have “someone” on who comes under a certain amount of danger to himself. I’m sorry if this has been covered, but I just came in to it myself, and haven’t read any of the comments above yet. Its starting now. He’s Iraqi!
(reposting from several threads back)
Folks, every one of you with a bank account should know that the bank is required by law to report various kinds of unusual activity. My bank includes the following in their customer privacy statement:
Your bank may phrase it differently, but they will tell you the same thing.
Even before there were any subpoenas and court-allowed wiretaps, Spitzer’s attempts to hide his payments got snared in the banking filters that look for possible fraud. When the bank reported it to the IRS to be checked out, they found shell companies and other mechanisms to conceal and camouflage other activities, which only heightened their interest in the case.
All this is part and parcel of ordinary banking and fraud investigations everywhere.
What happens after that — who gets charged, how did info get leaked, etc. — may have a lot of politics attached to it. But the basic facts of the case, and how it got started, appear to me to be good old fashioned forensic accountants doing their jobs properly.
I heard the rumors about Bush1, but it wasn’t a hooker.
I read it as “anal sex with no condom”, so I think it’s still a little vague at this point.
Spitzer’s the front page story to HIDE the real story; Bernanke just pumped $200 billion into the insolvent banks. From the fed to the banks to wall street into commodities, Oil skyrockets, Gold skyrockets, and Grain skyrockets. AND the dollar devalues.
thanks
KT Tunstall w Suddenly I See
CNN says Spitzer stepping down?
I doubt that Spitzer got caught in ordinary bank stuff. The bank manager who called into wnyc this morning said that, while they comply with records requirements, no one, including the IRS looks at any of the stuff that is collected.
Christy,
My question is, where are the other johns? Can Spitzer make a “selective prosecution” defense if he’s the only one busted?
But I thought the bank reported $10,000 and up transactions. Unless you are Spitzer, then they report $9000 transactions… …doesn’t make him any less guilty, but makes the reporting of amounts under the “reportable” amounts odd, no?
CNN banner: “A top legislative staffer says N.Y. Gov. Eliot Spitzer, who is linked to a prostitution ring, is holding transition meetings” – no link yet
I’ve never heard of that as a statutory affirmative defense.
I absolutely think they were after Spitzer. My point is that their wiretap, which they claim was focussed on Spitzer, appears to have been on the prostitution ring, and they look like they’re trying to retrofit their information onto Spitzer with this “money laundering” angle. My suspicion is that they had an illegal tap on the DC-based prostitution ring in the hopes of netting a bunch of high-level pols. Spitzer was their “This is what happens if you don’t play ball” warning shot.
I thought “unsafe” in this context was using a freakin call girl!
You’re welcome!
Thanks for the explanation. I wasn’t understanding your point.
It is an Iraqi official who was reading his opening statement about the corruption in the Iraqi government – and then my C-Span3 feed suddenly went dark.
hmmm…..
So Elliot likes to come at sex from a different direction?
Does anyone remember that the President of The United States just endorsed the use of torture as an officially sanctioned practice by vetoing the bill that would outlaw it?
timing is everything in comedy… isn’t it?
It sure is nice to open the comments page and see an intelligent conversation among adults.
Prediction: He’s never going to be charged. Which means no discovery, and no hard information on how the wiretap was obtained.
Thank you for putting this in perspective. Oil is over 1.09 per barrel today. The dollar devalues further. Inflation rises weekly. I get very little for my dollar when I grocery shop. Seniors who live on a fixed income have almost all their entirement depleated. Can we focus on this today? These are facts. Spitzer is speculation.
Christy’s take makes more sense to me.
Emphasis is mine.
What they didn’t count on was Kristin demolishing the story. She was just with him and he wasn’t “difficult.”
Mine’s OK. He just said that one of his assisstant’s was gunned down with his wife, who was 7 months pregnant. Geez. What we have wrought.
hmm, indeed. I had to pause it, and am just picking it up again. Mine hasn’t gone out yet. I’ll let you know.
If Spitzer resigns, he can always get a job running high-end prostitution rings and make lots more money. He can join the ranks of Larry Flint. Become a prefessional leaker.
Wow the wording of that banner almost seems to imply that Spitzer was running a prostitution ring, rather than being a regular old “john.”
I saw your earlier comment, where you refered to this person as a “former” bank manager. I wonder how long ago he left the business.
Re Smgumby @ 105 — The $10K and up is but one way the filters get tripped. If you walk in and deposit/withdraw $9500 for four days in a row, you likely will get the same treatment. A pattern like that suggests that perhaps someone is trying to evade the $10K limit, which is an invitation to see if that is indeed the case.
FDL has spam filters, but the Powers That Be don’t advertise the specifics of what will and will not get you caught in them. They catch spam, and also the occasional legitimate user comment. Once a mod sees that something is caught in the filter, they check it out. If it’s legit, they let it go and if it’s spam it gets deleted. But key to the filters working efficiently in both the bank situation and here at FDL is a certain amount of secrecy about what, exactly, will trip them.
There is speculation. And then there is stupid speculation.
The man forked a whore cause that is what he likes to do. His relationship with his wife only applies in that she was abused by his dishonest behavior.
If Spitzer was getting what he needed in his marriage I believe he would have forked a whore anyway. Some acts of sex are really acts of power not unlike rape.
All of C-SPAN went dark. I’m on C-SPAN I and zilch.
Or follow in Jerry Springer’s footsteps, as his political career was also terminated because of his patronage of prostitutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Springer
Blame Canada
well that’s good. I just closed out and tried to re-open it – got an audio message that “this stream is not currently available – please try again later”.
Never had that happen before – so I’m glad to hear that yours is working, or I might get, you know, suspicious or something…
Possible. Or elections. I was thinking this is the result of Shrimpenfuhrer/Rove/Goodling et al DOJ hackery exploding all over the map.
Mine has not gone black yet, but I’m on delay – I had to pause.
I think half the point is that we focus only on this today. Hopefully most of the week.
I believe they are making the english speakin section of canada another state
He left after 9/11, if that’s the important date. He was asked how recently he had worked there and I assume his answer meant he was there after the post-9/11 changes had been implimented. But you know about assumptions, and it’s only a sample of one. But he played into my working assumption, which is the govt collects tons of data but does nothing with it unless they have a specific reason. Which is why I assume that Sptizer was targeted.
TV or web? CSPAN1 and 2 on TV both fine here.
Another had power drills used on his head! We’ve known this, but its horrible to hear from this man.
Hi mui, yeah, I heard a radio listener call in and say she was outraged that the guv was involved in “human trafficking”. It was sounding like he ran the ring. sheesh.
I wonder how many repubs are on the client list? It’s VIP so I would imagine there are a few…
I am not a fan of Spitzer, really, and I wouldn’t mind if he resigned, but I would expect Vitter and Craig to resign too! I wouldn’t mind if he stayed on either.
and the money the terrorists got …was that as well traced? who sent it,where is the rest of it…oh i see,they froze the SAudi assets
Oh, I’m watching on TV, not online. I’ve had funny things happen to CSPAN online many times.
OT..I though I would give this story a “bump”.
NYT
Former New York Rep. Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic Party’s vice presidential nominee in 1984, told the (Torrance, California) Daily Breeze that “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”
I see – I can only get CSpan3 online, and it’s still dark here. But still good to know that the teevee feed is live – wish I could hear it.
And some are not.
Far from New York, I have no particular affinity for Spitzer, and from a distance, he seems like a typical large-ego pol (they are abundant in both Dem and Rep flavors) with a serious blind spot and tragic lack of self-knowledge. So quit already, Elliot!
I sympathize with the kneejerk reaction to view this through the spectrum of Bushie Conspiracy World–George et al have certainly provided enough fodder for this to be another chapter from his play book. But it doesn’t hold up. Spitzer did this to himself. Once he had committed the crimes, it is not surprising that investigators and prosecutors would leak information to put their case in the best light–that’s what they have been doing for as long as there have been newspapers, long before George W. Bush or Karl Rove had a sniff of power.
Maybe partisans don’t want Spitzer to resign because they see it as Clinton/Lewinsky redux, and don’t want to give Republicans a “win.” But I think Dems have more to lose if he hangs around into fall election season as a symbol of hypocrisy, sleaziness and arrogance.
I so wanted to listen to that one but, barring sitting in the car for access to C-S3, can only hope they will replay it on 1 or 2. Dial-up makes net as source outta the question. :-(
“typical large-ego pol”
There is no other kind. Only someone with a large ego would pursue a career in politics.
I agree and to just see Hillary say she sends her best out to him and his family. . .really?
thanks for the very worthwhile link. Wow, nice calcium infusion. dems must be taking their tums!
But this sentence still just chaps me:
my bold. (rolling my eyes)
Y U P !
I dislike Spitzer very much and think the end of his political career is a very good thing for Ds.
However, I still think he was targeted. If so, the Rs did us a favor. An unintended outcome.
Maybe partisans don’t want Spitzer to resign because they see it as Clinton/Lewinsky redux, and don’t want to give Republicans a “win.” But I think Dems have more to lose if he hangs around into fall election season as a symbol of hypocrisy, sleaziness and arrogance.
Put me in the “I agree” column…
Any wire transfer of $3000 or more is now reported to the IRS, thanks to the Patriot Act. It’s not surprising that the IRS would filter this data based on high-ranking profiles, especially when the transfers happened repeatedly to the same destination and, probably, in approximately the same amounts. Also, as I recall from one of the articles, QAT (the corporate shell set up to receive the wire transfers) was set up as an offshore corporation. If that is the case, all sorts of bells and whistles would have gone off. Now, if he had hired an expensive interior decorator to re-do the governor’s mansion, and the transfers were made in varying amounts, I doubt that anyone would have pursued it further.
Yes, but Sptizer’s ego is larger than most!
I watched GF on TV last week and she was not making any sense at all. Rather petulant if you ask me and not helping HRC with that attitude.
heh, “calcium infusion”
glad to see them seeking support from The People as well.
Okay when someone says they are not a fan of Spitzer, I am curious to know why. I’ve heard good things about him and also some ambivalence. I am not saying anyone is wrong for not liking Spitzer, I am just curious to know specifics.
… aiming a cream pie at RBG … *g*
((( RBG )))
You’re lucky to get it in the car at all. I don’t get any Cspans in my car. He says oversight has been hindered because of a lack of security and understaffing, due to the US. Natch.
Lots of anger – yes, justified – at Spitzer today.
I just wanted to add two cents on whether he should resign. My thought is: Yes, but…
Not until he procures a deal to shut down prosecution and further investigation in exchange for his resignation.
That’s not just for his sake, though frankly he’d be stupid to give up a bargaining chip without getting anything for it. More importantly, from the perspective of the party, a drawn out prosecution only hurts us. If Spitzer can shut down further embarrasment for the party by resigning in exchange for a non-prosecution agreement, that works best for all of us.
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I shall refrain from further comment onna counta I don’t want to get in trouble.
Here’s one possible way Spitzer earns himself a future, based on party gratitude: go on offense. Cut a deal, turn states evidence, and incriminate as many Republicans as possible. A political kamikaze, if you will. 10 years for people to forget and-presto!
Haha! I’m thinking of a quote from As good as It Gets, but it would get me in trouble too!
Sometimes it is better to be known for your enemies than your friends.
They were jabberin about this on MSNBC
from the Wiki
If the Republics did this, they messed up by doing it now. The feeding frenzy will most likely die down soon to the current Larry Craig level. By November, it will be meaningless as far as the election.
He should have resigned yesterday, immediately, giving the Rethugs no opportunity for traction. Now they’re threatening to impeach him if he doesn’t quit, so it will look like he only did it because of the impeachment threat.
The more cleanly and quickly he quits, the better positioned Democrats are to call hypocrisy on the David Vitters and Neil Bushes of the world. (Remember Neil’s Thai escapades? And is he still on board of directors of anything?) The longer he waits, the less differentiation we gain.
Schumer, Clinton, the DNC should have all come down on him like a ton of bricks.
Why is Paterson not yet my Governor at 12:53 pm?
ecahn at 126–
that is not entirely true, his political career was not terminated because of prostitutes……..i left you a comment in the last thread about it.
Who do you like more, PA’s Ed Rendell or Spitzer?
Lemme help you out. That was an incredibly offensive remark by GF. Racism and misogyny all wrapped up nicely in only four sentences. Hugely stupid and insulting, but efficiently worded, huh?
Sat radio is a wonderful indulgence, especially on long trips. Started with Sirius and switched to XM when Sirius cancelled C-Span and the folk music channel….can you tell I’m a political junkie throw-back to the 60’s? *g*
Why doesn’t Hillary’s campaign understand that negative comments hurts them and drives a wedge in the party?
Hillary and Bill are too smart for this type of campaigning, she should be running on her strengths, which are substantial …
Repeating from earlier threads. Spitzer is a bully. I’d heard that’s the way he got “convictions” on Wall St., and yesterday on CNBC they said he used personal sleaze to pressure executives which, if true, os yet another irony. looseheadprop thinks you can’t bully corps into plea bargains (there were very few trials) because they have deep pockets and lawyers who are only too eager to pick those pockets. My response is that financial corps have reputations to maintain, don’t want pretrials & trials keeping their names in the headlines. Boards of Directors say: Just make it go away.
That was then. After that, he became gov (on the basis of his prosecutions), and proceeded to bully State Senator Bruno, who is not a nice man but has all the backbone that we wish our D congress critters had. Spitzer also used all his sleaze, like leaking that his opponents used state helicopters improperly, which turned out to be untrue, since the rules are very loose, and other matters, now called Troopergate. I considered his behavior in office to confirm what I had heard about him previously, and that’s when I took a real dislike to him.
Cut a deal, turn states evidence, and incriminate as many Republicans as possible.
I’m all for incriminating Republicans, but I don’t see how Spitzer could possibly have any inside info as to the other clients of that “service”.
I have Serius now, and I was Seriously pissed when they dropped Cspan. Is is easy to switch? He’s talking about the zillions we’ve given and how it ends up funding the insurgents killing our soldiers.
I am not an expert on NY politics but my understanding is that the Republicans are struggling to hold control of the legislature. Just a week or two ago it came out that Bloomberg, the “non-partisan” mayor of NYC had been donating to Republicans to back that continued control. It seems that there are a lot of currents out there and the timely takedown of a Democratic Governor could well be part of this.
Then there is the USA for SDNY Garcia. OTOH he has had experience has a prosecutor so he’s not a fake but on the other he was part of the heavily political immigration machinations going on in the INS and then ICE under the tutelage of Michael Chertoff. So I can also see a Rovian aspect to all this and directing him. It doesn’t say much about Garcia’s professionalism and his management skills that his office is leaking like a sieve.
I’ll go look it up.
most people with JOBS live on fixed incomes now…nobody i know has gotten a raise in years,except the MASTERS OF WALL STREET,..Mr Spitzer knows this too
Don’t know anything about Rendell, so can’t A your Q.
I agree with you. I think Mr and Mrs C are smarter than the people running their campaign…
Raven et al, here’s a link to the discussion between Bill Bradley, Leon Panetta, Jesse Jackson, and Geraldine Ferraro. GF went all over the map on the superdelegate issue. BB rebutted her pretty effectively. LP a clinton supporter was more reasonable imo. here you go:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb…..03-05.html
i mean really… how much information do you need to know what the hell is going on here. the penn and black connection should have been the final clue.
yes you can switch and they’ll prorate for you.
That was my guess.
How so? (In relation to your second point, not the former.)
Thanks, I’ll call them. He’s saying now that the corruption he saw was reported to US athorities, and they ignored him. 11 million dissapeared from a bank account he had to start, because the US gave him these funds in cash.
Not necessarily in the service…the first thing he could do is mention the name “Vitter” everytime he gets in front of a mic.
this is UNFATHOMABLE…..the country ours…is going down the shitter
i want SMUG ASS Brian Williams to play that tape at approx 6:45 EDT tonight
The 11 million was US taxpayer $, not iraqi $. Saying if he used the $ on a hospital, he would be kidnapped. Its hard to follow due to an interpreter being used. tons of corruption is the bottom line. I’m shocked!
I don’t think Randell is pro-choice.
Spitzer is.
but Spitzer got a hooker………………….OH THE SHAME OF IT ALL/
don’t hold your breath…
I saw that, don’t be messin with Bradley. He’ll post you up and take you to the rack.
Not hard to switch at all if you’re willing to pay the extra installation, etc. Can’t remember exactly how it went now but seems like just a question of calling a particular phone and giving them a number that was on the box.
the pentagon lost trillions according to von Rumsfeld 9/10/2001,and billions are jst roaming around swiss banks with certain peeps accts…..and the rest of us are paying $3.45 for wholegrain bread
1,783 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Petrocelli and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Go read the article on the Obama campaign up in Rolling Stone and you will understand what has happened to the Clintons though it’s been pretty clear to me for some time that the real weakness of the Clinton-McCain politics is that it is corporate controlled, top-down and that the “third way” was nuthin’ but the Clinton’s strategy ta make the Democratic Party into a commodity that they could sell ta the oligarchy for a solid profit.
Mrs. Clinton is done, toast, there won’t be enough for leftovers…I wonder if she’ll end up as Republican governor of New York if Bloomberg goes after Schumer’s seat.
KEEP THE FAITH AND BELIEVE YER LYIN’ EYES!!
ROFLMAO. thank you for saying it for me!
Dorgan now saying he’s sorry the room is so empty. When they appropriate $, its a packed house. He can’t get action on his asylum request. No one wants to hear what he’s saying re corruption.
Yea, but I was leaning toward some descriptive language about her that would have sunk me!
Hello…moderator??!! Where’s my comment ta Petrocelli?
yeah, no low bridge, no whistles either. all fair and square. Gee, GF didn’t know BB was going to go all “negative” on her…ugh!
smugass that works for GE,and pockets 20,000,000,000.00 $ a year po thing tho…dollar teh shrinking…he should ask for a raise
Hearing is over now. Gotta go run errands now. Nice talking to you and thanks for the info.
I don’t like him either.
*g*
yea lets throw some MORE WORTHLESS American dollars at the military industrial CONGRESSIONAL complex,to just DISAPPEAR…FREAKS …but SCHIP…forget about it
Not even that Havlicheck, “grab the stomach until it was black and blue” stuff!
Well, say no more. That’s a very good reason for the Repubs to take him down.
That’s the same thing that the Bush family has done to the Republic Party, make it a commodity that they sell. No wonder Bill Clinton hangs out with George H.W. Bush.
The Times reporting I found a bit breathless and too willing to find fault by omitting relevant questions by assuming they’ve been answered. (Like Congress over domestic spying).
One thing the Times reporting glossed over too quickly is what caused the IRS, as opposed to state regulators or the FBI, to be reviewing Spitzer’s current financial transactions, as opposed to, say, those related to prior-year tax returns. Do banks report, do the feds monitor, all transactions of the independently wealthy? Wealthy Democrats? All governors? Wealthy Democratic governors in Hillary’s home state? Or, does TIA permit all of the above?
How big or frequent were they? Spitzer is reportedly a multi-millionaire. He must routinely have a large number of relatively substantial financial transactions. What was suspicious enough to attract a federal investigation? Was it simply that Spitzer did some of the things he’s accused of and found them so much fun that he did a lot of them, at thousands per hour?
Finally, the prosecution’s kitchen sink approach (the archaic and prudish Mann Act is the go to statute for political prosecutions) resembles more the attitude of “Let’s get Capone on something, maybe not paying his taxes, that’s a federal beef,” than mere thoroughly doing a non-partisan prosecutor’s job.
Almost regardless of the underlying facts, this pattern of prosecution – and the immediate, detailed and widespread “news” coverage of it – closely resembles the pattern worked out in Alabama in connection with the GOP’s dirty and relentless attack on former governor Don Siegelman.
yeah, I figured that – lol.
Banks are required to track and report suspicious movements of cash for drug laundering identification purposes. There are all kinds of checks in place to flag cash movements. Bank examiners from the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency often spot strange cash movements and report them to the feds (or sometimes report the banks for failing to implement monitoring methods that can spot suspicious transactions).
My guess is that Spitzer’s cash movements caught somebody’s eye during routine examinations, but from there on in it was too good to pass up.
Oh heck. What good is warrantless domestic spying if you can’t use it to protect you from your enemies? I think it has a lot less to do with the election in November than the report on Iraq lies that came out the same day. It seems pretty clear that they’ve had the info for a long time and have been waiting for a good time to spring it. We should be used to this by now.