Last week the media continued to bravely ignore the findings of Nobel Prize winner (as opposed to nominee) Joseph Stigliz and Linda J. Bilmes that Bush’s March 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq will cost the United States economy $3 trillion…at least.
So well-qualified, well-credentialed, award winning economist uses government statistics to analyze things and finds the War that was supposed to be full of flowers, sweets, and paying for itself, turned out to be 0 for 3.
Against such devastating statistics and analysis, against such sober and expert opinion you need to roll out someone capable of meeting them on the intellectual playing field.
Sadly, all you have is Christopher Hitchens. Although, if it can be divided easily by fifths, Hitch is your man.
Their lame joint effort to affix a cost to the Iraq war is entirely based on an unspoken assumption that has nothing to do with economics or even with political economy. And that assumption (widely shared but seldom if ever articulated) is that our engagement with Iraq was somehow "a war of choice" — to use a favorite catchphrase from a few years ago — and thus that all of its costs, ranging from the physical damage to Iraqi infrastructure to the moral damage to our warriors, could have been avoided by abstention.
I don’t know anybody who knows anything about the subject who believes anything so frivolous.
Apparently, Hitchens suffers from the misnamed Pauline Kael syndrome (something the late Ms. Kael never actually said but Snitchens just did).
The statement of Hitchens, of course, is patently false and the last line of his opening salvo, such as it is, continues the intellectual bankruptcy of war supporters — that ONLY serious people choose to launch wars and occupy other countries. You know people like George Bush and…wait for it…Saddam Hussein by this logic.
George Bush, Dick Cheney and Doug Feith are not serious people. They are dangerous ones.
And since the whole point of Hitchens piece seems to be some unquantifiable and intolerable policy that was containing Saddam prior to Bush’s invasion one might ask why he never provided those costs?
Because they were working and comparatively cost effective…$1.4 billion a year for enforcing the "No Fly Zones" in Iraq.
So in five years we would have spent…adjusting for inflation maybe…MAYBE $9 billion. And that’s considering that oil might have jumped to $50 or $60 a barrel. Which, as we all know, is simply intolerable!
Now, thanks to George Bush we spend $1.4 billion in Iraq in about 3 days.
So really, thank goodness for this invasion…because it has been such an outstanding deal all around.
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Morning Attaturk!
And that assumption (widely shared but seldom if ever articulated) is that our engagement with Iraq was somehow “a war of choice” — to use a favorite catchphrase from a few years ago — and thus that all of its costs, ranging from the physical damage to Iraqi infrastructure to the moral damage to our warriors, could have been avoided by abstention.
I don’t know anybody who knows anything about the subject who believes anything so frivolous.
Elegantly said, but does make one wonder who his circle are.
every FDLer is asleep, eh?
Morning
but does make one wonder who his circle are.
Hitchens 5 are:
- David Addington
- Doug Feith
- Scooter Libby
- Judy Miller
- Charles Krauthammer
From the Beeb:
Also from the Beeb:
AHA! I knew it. We had the WMDs all along. This new report will no doubt force the bush administration to invade…… America. Don’t worry we will have Democratic elections soon thereafter…. once marshall law is lifted.
The surge is working…. for who?
The Fall of the House of Eliot. From the Gray Lady:
A stark reminder that there is no private life in public life.
Live by the sword; Die by the sword.
btw – I am not missing the probability that this was a politically motivated investigation.
I am seriously dissapointed in Spitzer for being such a dum fsck.
I agree.
We knew the right-wing was after Bill Clinton, he knew it too. They were a-holes and ultimately sort of slit their own throats in some ways.
But we’d still be living in a far different world if Bill had managed to keep it in his pants. One party’s malevolence doesn’t excuse another’s blatent stupidity.
We wouldn’t have George W. Bush as President for example.
Indeed. Prostitutes are available in DC for a lot less money so I would certainly question his fiduciary sensibilities and this from a guy that went after financial institutions for misuse of funds. WTF.
Mornin’, gang -
hitch is a twit…and speaking of twits, just tuned in to scar and color me surprised, thus far, he seems to be taking a rather restrained view of the Spitzer brouhaha. Give him a bit ’til one of his “pals” comes on and that’ll probably change. :-(
Annnnd, speaking of two other twits and in keeping with the newz of rove’s booing, here’s some wrt to cheenee:
http://www.southernpoliticalre…..0_272.aspx
Hi attaturk,
Re:
In one compartment of my mind I’ve assigned the interests of a category of ubermenschen called “Bush campaign bribery executives”. Prominent among that list are HBR’s David Lesar, Boeing’s Phil Condit, Blackwater’s Eric Prince and their ilk.
Thinking with malice aforethought at how essential profits are to the lifeblood of American democracy, one can see from the viewpoint of these “masters of the universe” that the war in Iraq has been paying off better than a 98.5%-guaranteed-return Mustang Ranch slot machine. In fact, if we examine the cash flow for the entire Iraq operation, it becomes abundantly clear that year by year the Bush Administration is getting better and better at funneling outrageous payments to its friends.
So, just keeping in mind who George Bush’s real constituency is, the Iraq War is the wonder of the modern world. Forget about the architectural and engineering splendors. What we have created in the 21st Century is a new ethic. Destruction of an entire society is so much more lucrative than any construction project man can conceive. George Bush has turned mass destruction into massive profit for an elite few. This is no small feat in a democracy, though one begins to suspect that while the destruction and the profiteering are real, the notion that we inhabit a democracy is purely illusory.
Somehow this impresses me as taking Schumpeter’s capitalist dictum about “creative destruction” at least a few steps too far.
***
It’s always nice to end with a joke, eh?
Q: So, what’s the difference between civil and mechanical engineers today?
A: Simple. Civil engineers build targets and mechanical engineers build the means to take ‘em out.
***
One more?
Q: So, why are there no Wal-Marts in Iraq?
A: Because in Iraq there are only Targets.
This from an organization that proposes legalizing prostitution
We still are mired in the 18th century here I am afraid. Maybe in prostitution and healthcare we can catch up to the rest of the world in a few hundred years
Re:
Here we have it. The typical signature of the Rove-style hitman sourcing. “Condition of Anonymity” ought to be burned into everyone’s brain as being translated into “this is a dirty political hit job by a bunch of sleazers, aided an abetted by a slimy newspaper that prominently featured Judith Miller lying us into a dirty war in Iraq and currently with another lying bastard named Michael Gordon working assiduously to lie us into a war with Iran”.
Thomas Friedman believes Iraq was a “war of choice.” And if TF isn’t Serious, I don’t know who is!
Garrison Keeler’s Joke Show!! One of his best shows every year.
jeez Attaturk,
how can we be so dumb as to allow this war to go on and on.
on the wee early news, I watch us blow up Iraqi buildings for strategic reasons and it makes me wonder how much of Iraq’s history we have damaged or destroyed. We’ve turned the place into a living hell. We’ve killed so many Iraqi citizens and ruined so many lives. How can we ever be forgiven?
oh yeah and good morning
I hate George Bush.
Re:
I’d say the odds of a return to the prohibition of alcohol are more likely. This is a nation founded by Puritans and other assorted Bible-thumping lunatics and we’re never going to live that down.
Good morning, pups. Bob Herbert writes about “Sharing the Pain.” He says the economic pain and anxiety felt for so long by the poor and the near-poor has been spreading like a stain in the middle class as well. It’s hardly been a secret. On a happier note, Bobo is off today.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. Have a great day.
how many more days Marion? how many more days of George Bush?
315 and counting.
Dday over at Digby’s place nails it:
The sadest truth is that the enormous human cost of this war is so much less effective than the economic cost.
Now that the economy has begun to unravel under the staggering burden of unfettered military spending and revenue reduction, John R Public can see the disaster that is the Bush Presidency.
The US flag (made in China, purchased at Wal-Mart in 2002) is in tatters too, from excessive waving and lack of care.
I take no joy in the tide turning against the Neocons.
I’t at least 4 years late.
Re:
I’ve organized large street demonstrations in opposition to the Iraq War since October, 2002.
I don’t feel that I’m dumb. And I don’t feel that I’m “allowing” George Bush to do as he pleases for the sake of his cronies. I feel that I’m already trapped in a police state run by an elite who respect no one other than their own tiny ideologically insane cult and the Almighty Dollar. Although as they funnel more and more dollars into their own pockets, they still find it necessary to destroy the currency, claiming it is the Almighty that is causing them to ruin the Dollar. Go figure. Ideologically insane is about the most rational explanation I can think of for the malaise called America’s military-industrial-congressional elite.
Elliott -
Did you watch the interview with Christiane Amanpour that took place on C-Span yesterday? If they could only bottle *her* attitude toward journalism!
Meanwhile, Pakistan explodes…the most dangerous country in the world for terrorism…
Re:
“You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month.” said then Washington Post Editor Philip Graham, circa 1950.
This war goes on because a large segment of the population is more worried about the rights of the unborn than the born. And the threat of same sex couples marrying and raising children, And the threat of a religion which is a second cousin to their won. And the threat of our neighbors who ask for a pittance of our wealth.
It has taken *these* people 5 years to begin to get a glimmer that they have been had, and that the protectors are actually making things worse, incredibly worse.
Journalists are more loyal as well.
They will go to jail to protect their
Johnssources.yes! it was just on this morning. She’s a fascinating person. I admire her confidence and intelligence.
Biodun,
You said:
I’ve read a credible report to the contrary, stating that the U.S. military has taken the necessary steps to assure the Pentagon that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is not threatened by any terrorist or opportunistic opponents of the Musharaf (or successor) government.
Add to your list the attitude that the color of their skin apparently makes them somehow less than human. Wish I could have your optimism that they’re getting a glimmer of what they bought with the guy they wanted to have a beer with…if true, there wouldn’t be a registered thug in the country.
Elliott -
She’s a prime example of what *could* be in the journalism profession.
Am I the only man in America whose never been to a prostitute> The only man whose never been OVERWHELMED by my testicular DEMANDS that I run out and find a, ANY woman who will make the beast with two backs with me rather then wait and have a nice or not so “nice”, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know waddImean, saynomore? encounter of the carnal nature? WHAT THE FARK IS WRONG WITH THESE GUYS! I wouldn’t even care if this dipwad hadn’t BUSTED a couple of prostitution rings while he was AG. BUT HE DID! So he is a repugnantklan class hipocrate. SCREW HIM! DOUBLY screw him cause JUST like Clinton because he couldn’t keep his 13yr old sexual maturity and urges under control now WE will get screwed! SCREW HIM! If it wasn’t for this cuppa Choclate Almond with a shot of REAL cream I would just SPIT!
What’s frivolous is that Hitchens would think, much less state, that analyzing, and or affixing, a cost to a war, a very serious war at that, is frivolous in any way, shape, or form.
What an idiot. And to think, back 20 years ago, I used to think he had promise.
evoluter, you’re SO right! When pols do it, it’s NOT a victimless crime. Why don’t they see this and refrain? Gawd, following your peenie is so weak.
$4.oo a gallon, minimum wage, and tax cuts for the rich, who says slavery ain’t alive and doing well and now an equal opportunity employer.
Who actually pays attention to this drunken Brit?
attaturk, send that quote right off to the candidates and tell them they can use it in their speeches and on every debate when talking to republicans
in fact, the “neo cons” are wrong on everything, they are morons, they developed theories to justify their depraved point of view, those theories were not only wrong, everyone knew they’d be wrong
and then they were wrong, they are morons and need to be called morons, when they are referenced the person referencing these neo cons needs to be embarrassed for using a moron as his source
when Krystal is sighted, laugh in the face of the person using him as the source, when wolfowitze and especially Cheney is sighted, laugh and embarrass the guy for using idiots to make their point
and when bush repeats the garbage, laugh at him by saying things like;
“the guy is using proven intellectual failures as his prove for claims everyone but him and the failures he sights knows is wrong”
make every reference to these idiots an embarrassment to the person making that reference
TT: “Saddam Hussein was a very bad man!”
“There goes another $8,000.”
“So really, thank goodness for this invasion…because it has been such an outstanding deal all around.”
Yes, what a deal for America, Iraq and the World………..
Natural Selection Corporate T(r)eason and Executive Oil!
Kings, Dukes and Corporate Cohorts in colonial crime!
Right On Turk!
Hey, first job min wage $1.95 / Gallon of gas .23 cents per gallon
Today, min wage $8.50 (?) Gallon of Gas $4.00
Figures never lie. Only liars figure! Gas tanks and cash cows!!!
All hail the American Night…at it’s roots.
Paul O’Neill on 60 Minutes
“…the notion that we inhabit a democracy is purely illusory.”
But beginning to be unmasked a bit, though perhaps not in time. It is beginning to look as if America has been truly broken and is now being looted.
I believe Chris Hitchens’ Five are actually:
Jim Beam
Jack Daniels
George Dickel
Evan Williams
Hiram Walker