(If you’re a Kossak please recommend Howie’s Bush dog diary over at DailyKos — jh)
I was hoping more details would emerge about how the Feds came to bust Eliot Spitzer today but alas, it’s all still very murky. Alan Dershowitz is on my teevee telling me that the structuring charges will never stick, and as Mark Kleiman notes, all the wingnuts were adither when this was used against Rush, so there’s a bit of inconsistency today with all their preening, self-righteous flap.
And for the record, as someone who thinks prostitution should be legal — and that most laws restricting it are written to make the lives of prostitutes worse, not better — I don’t plan to be calling for Spitzer’s resignation any time soon. But others may be:
The Republican leader of the New York State Assembly, James Tedisco, vowed to push for impeachment proceedings against Spitzer if he did not step down. New Yorkers "cannot have this hanging over their heads," he said.
Really? Because this brings to mind another recent impeachment attempt.
I’ve been poking around this all day, but even a best case scenario has a bunch of cash transfers by Spitzer triggering suspicious activity reports (SARs), which BDBlue helpfully explains here. The IRS is informed, and because it’s a political figure and they’re worried about, say, blackmail they refer it to the Justice Department.
David Kurtz at TPM explains:
If I’m remembering my white collar crime law correctly, structuring is basically trying to avoid triggering the federal reporting requirement for any cash transaction that exceeds $10,000. So a series of $9,000 payments to the same person in a short period of time would raise suspicions, for example.
Typically, structuring is a charge prosecutors put together after the fact, by which I mean they reconstruct a financial transaction or series of financial transactions after they have already begun their investigation and are able then to piece together the elements of a structuring charge.
So the DoJ figures out it’s not structuring — Spitzer is not breaking the law they thought he was breaking. He’s not trying to avoid triggering federal reporting requirements, that really is what some five-diamond Emperor’s Club girl costs. (The Rude Pundit explains the difference between a three diamond and a seven diamond hooker. Who knew?)
But rather than say "okay, he’s not guilt of doing what we thought he was doing, let’s go home" — they seem to be pursuing "money laundering" charges:
But no time for Spitzer’s stepping aside appeared firm, and two sources said that at the moment Spitzer’s lawyers are in discussions with federal prosecutors concerning which charges the governor might face. According to lawyers close to the federal investigation, a key charge around which any prosecution or more likely pre-prosecution plea deal revolves is a money laundering one: the transfer of money to fund an unlawful activity, in this case, prostitution.
No such charge — or any other charge — has been unsealed against Spitzer.
There’s not a lot to go on at this point, but it all feels a bit staged, vague and weird as the political pressure for Spitzer to step down mounts — based on sexual allegations that don’t seem to have anything to do with what the Feds might potentially charge him with And unfortunately what we get today is a lot more about Spitzer’s sex life, rather than an explanation as to how this all went down.
But what we know– as Scott Horton suggests — has shades of Siegelman all over it.
Update: Bmaz has more.



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ALBANY, N.Y. – With pressure mounting on Gov. Eliot Spitzer to resign over a call-girl scandal, investigators said Tuesday he was clearly a repeat customer who spent tens of thousands of dollars — perhaps as much as $80,000 — with the high-priced prostitution service over an extended period of time.
snip
In the court papers, an Emperors Club employee was quoted as telling Kristen that Client 9 — Spitzer, according to investigators — “would ask you to do things that … you might not think were safe,” and Kristen responded by saying: “I have a way of dealing with that. … I’d be, like, listen, dude, you really want the sex?”
A law enforcement official said Tuesdsay the discussion had to do with Spitzer’s preference not to wear a condom and the call-girl’s insistence that he use one.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ostitution
wasnt the ringleader an IRS man
Yup. I think they targeted him to find “anything” “anywhere”….I don’t believe the whole bank/IRS crappola….Somebody was watching him, and somebody knew what he was doing, and somebody leaked that “Client #9″ was Spitzer. And, somebody authorized it. Mukasey must have okay’d it. Just in time to bring it out now.
This is not an accident or an innocent…oh, well, we were just following the IRS rules, etc.
Plus…this took place at the Mayflower Hotel…where politicians and diplomats like to “hang out”…you know it must be bugged to the hilt.
I call major, major BS.
The fact that Spitzer is a bonehead is not BS though.
The thing that will keep this alive for longer than it should is the money. What do you get when you pay that much? There must be cheaper aternatives.
*sigh*
Yeah, and the ringleader was an IRS man….the whole thing stinks. Who told Spitzer about the Emperor’s Club….what? He found it online….BS.
This is a political sting and a set-up, and there will be others ensnared.
Here is the federal statute for structuring. From what I know of Spitzer’s case, they are going to have a hard time making a charge under this statute fly. They better stick to the Mann Act….
EPU’ed
Missed the Fallon thread. With him gone, the likelihood of a military strike on Iran just increased to better than even odds. It will probably be done using Israel as a surrogate with us providing intelligence and access to Iraqi air space as well as looking the other way for missile firing Israeli submarines operating in or near the Gulf.
Cheney may be in the Middle East to coordinate with Israel and make sure the Arabs won’t organize an oil boycott in retaliation. If you look at the twisted way these guys think, it is also likely that Bush-Cheney will argue since we did not actually pull the trigger that Iran has no case to shut down the Strait and that the Saudis et al will back any military action on our part to keep the Strait open. What this means is that there will almost certainly be a US-Iran military confrontation with the likelihood of spill over into Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and possibly Syria. There could be sabotage and terrorism throughout the Gulf where there are Shia minorities in many countries. There will be a worldwide condemnation by all Moslem countries and many non-Moslem ones as well. The price of oil will hit $200/bbl overnight and move on into the $250-$300 range. What is important to understand about this is that a militarily effective closing of the Strait is not necessary. A few attacks alone on tankers and shippers will not ship and underwriters will not insure.
The upshot of such an attack would be to push a world economy already headed toward recession into depression. I can not begin to convey how utterly stupid and bankrupt this all is, and so unnecessary.
It is as if this Adminstration is determined to destroy the country before it leaves office. In any case, start checking your calendars for new moons. An attack will likely occur on one plus or minus one to two days.
Hmmmm…wonder who else stayed at the Mayflower in the last 6 months? The Mayflower is notorious for this kind of crappola…it has been for 50 years.
Democrats need to learn from Republics: do this kind of stuff on overseas junkets. Neil Bush, Rush, the list goes on and they suffer few consequences when caught.
Really….Motel 6.
Fools.
I like the Rude Pundit…
Rawk on! ;-)
The NewsHour has Time Magazine’s Mark Thompson on spinning furiously the Bush line about the departure of Fallon.
Again you need to parse everyone’s words. Gates, for example, says that Fallon’s leaving does not mean we will attack Iran. This, of course, says nothing about what the Israelis will do and what we will help them do.
and the Full Moon is March 21, so the moon just waxes
Hey Hugh, your list was cited with approval on the current thread at EW, “Republicans Uncork A Fine Whine Spitzer”.
SHORT RIDE and McShame planning the grande tour of europe as we speak…of course WE PAY
I sincerely hope that all of this Spitzer spying crappola eventually exposes the domestic spying abuse for political purposes in this country once and for all. Then it would be worth it.
This is a free lunch for the Rethuglicans. They can launch their attacks with all those army surplus toys from their Clinton witch hunt. Eliot should make the government prove it’s case; as in Alabama, they’re hoping that most of the trial takes place in its domesticated “press”.
I agree that prostitution should be legalized and regulated. Imagine the tax revenue when people no longer have money to bet or buy alcohol and cigarettes. Imagine the improvements in public health. Making it illegal is about as effective as prohibiting alcohol; it’s too subject to the vagaries of differential prosecution and the criminal courts aren’t effective at sorting out its social costs. Making it legal – but not mandatory – would do away with blackmail and pimps and potentially considerably improve the lot of those in the business. It would also make the Gooper Fundies rend their garments in despair at the victory of the anti-christ.
But it’s not “victimless” for many women and children, especially in SE Asia and Eastern Europe, who don’t voluntarily become or stay prostitutes.
Compared to Ferarro, Spitzer is a cartoon character. As a New Yorker, it is obvious we have hacks aplenty all looking for jobs with the Clintons or they are on Fox. At least the Clintons lose a superdelegate, likely.
An aside, it appears that Spitzer is trying to get some form of immunity or non prosecution agreement. But since he apparently dallied in many states, he will have an issue with the locals.
And I do not understand why Ferarro is not the bigger story here.
while they are planning whosale MURDER in IRAN
“I look down the lane and here comes Scooter, finally free from the prosecuter”
Can we impeach this prick now, please!
yea keep talking about SEX
I guess I don’t fathom not calling for his resignation. Since I’ll never be a high-powered prosecutor or governor, maybe I’m not aware of what the situation is like, but it strikes me as profoundly stupid for a powerful married political figure to make a lifestyle of betraying the trust of his family, his party, and his constituency through such dangerous, reckless behavior.
The fact is, Spitzer helped the neocons. He helped set up the Democratic party for this black eye. So why NOT call for his resignation? What are the benefits of keeping him in place? Is he protecting New York State from some neocon threat? I’m not being facetious, he may BE doing so – maybe if he were removed suddenly Wall St. would go on an unregulated anti-social rampage (well, MORE of one), or a poll tax would get introduced or something? Since he’s not my governor, I don’t know.
I don’t care about the fact that this is a sex case so much as this is a case about an apparently very narcissistic and reckless man in a position of public trust, who having betrayed that trust risks further burdening his allies by insisting on staying in office. Why should anyone close ranks around Spitzer? Even if this is a vast right-wing conspiracy, what kind of moron allows such a thing to happen following Monica Lewinsky?
Exactly.
I’m sick of the Dicktatership.
we are being pwned again
I really want to hear from the Justice Department on exactly what initiated the Spitzer probe. The DOJ needs to come clean. Tell all. No, “trust me”, nonsense. This is not information we need to fear the terrorist will use to attack us. They got this ball rolling so now we need to know how, when and why?
Speculation just keeps us wallowing in the mud.
The Clintons, according to David Geffen
Now the NewsHour has a discussion of the surge. One of the two experts is the surge architect Fred Kagan so he naturally says that it has been a big success. They do have Nir Rosen on and he is intelligent. So we have one delusional bozo and one guy who knows what he is talking about. The problem I have with this is it is a little like givin equal time and credibility to an astrophysicist and a flat earther.
I think Spitzer is a prick.
The question is who, why, how, did they target him and bring him down politically. If they are doing it to him, they will do it to others…deserving and not deserving.
Who owns the Mayflower? Please don’t tell me John Galt.
I agree with all of that, and, I’d like to add the high probability that the Iranians would use the Chinese Silk Worm missiles they’ve got on the Kuwaiti, Saudi, UAE, etal’s… refineries and ports, nothing to ship then…! 8-(
Call Mukasey in, pronto.
the navy helpfully provides this table. i like the one with pictures.
i’m checking the our carriers too – although i don’t know if their location matters. and prof foland recommend the dynamics of cats for carrier watchers.
The Navy calls them ship-killers.
Thanks for the mention, bmaz.
Thanks Jane.
this is a bad day,got any left over ribs?
Speaking of Libby, I thought this was remarkable:
But rather than say “okay, he’s not guilt of doing what we thought he was doing, let’s go home” — they seem to be pursuing “money laundering” charges…
There’s not a lot to go on at this point, but it all feels a bit staged, vague and weird as the political pressure for Spitzer to step down mounts — based on sexual allegations that don’t seem to have anything to do with what the Feds might potentially charge him with And unfortunately what we get today is a lot more about Spitzer’s sex life, rather than an explanation as to how this all went down.
Isn’t that likewise a perfect description of the Libby prosecution? Where it was quickly determined that Libby wasn’t the source of the Novak story, but Fitzgerald kept poking and prodding until he got to perjury and obstruction? What’s the difference?
It strikes me that perhaps the rights’s view of Spitzer is much like the left’s view of Libby.
I’d love him to give his waterboarding torture slippery eel tapdance. That would reveal a lot. If he has nothing to hide he can talk straight – well, as straight as Mukasey can be. Hummmm!
O/T
Wowzah! I just heard Chris Matthews tear a new a-hole in the a-holes at the Gridiron Dinner after playing the video of Bush’s “serenade”…I know it’s a repeat on Hardball, but it bears repeating over and over and over.
You go, Chris Matthews. I will never call you Tweety again.
Now, I hope he tears into Ferraro and Hillary for their methinks the lady doth protest too much RACIST attack against Obama. Yeh, they hit my hot button. I have pretty much had enough of NY politicians.
Only a couple, but, you’re welcome to ‘em…! 8-)
The Mayflower is like a Dem flytrap:
http://canadianpress.google.co…..dz9udCWkow
if he trys real hard,he could regain my respect lol
that good huh?
Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for Isr*el.
Just got up from my nap and saw Chris Matthews taking his fellow reporters to task over that video of Bush singing and the reporters all laughing about Brownie, about Scooter, the whole video, essentially. Said there was nothing funny about Brownie or the mess he made of Katrina, or Scooter committing perjury and treason by revealing the identity of a CIA agent! He gets plenty of criticism here, but credit where credit is due, and he deserves kudos for this one.
l hate…dst
Well, Adam had one but I think it got used to make Eve.
(((sadlyyes)))
The Goopers talk about hypocrisy, personal betrayal and calamity. But only someone else’s; for their own, they have enormous tolerance – eg, Vitter, Craig, Foley.
The real calculus is about political power – destroying an opponent’s via the use of taxpayer-funded political prosecutions. Were Spitzer not a wealthy, prominent and Democratic politician, the Goopers would have given him a discount on his Club dues, not tried to parade his “personal life” through the courts.
The Mann Act, for example, from 1910, has largely only been used to federalize a “crime” for purposes of political persecution. Even Al Capone, who reputedly transported lots of women across state lines for immoral purposes, was prosecuted for tax fraud, not Mann Act violations.
Personally, I would leave sexual behavior for the voters to consider in the context of what else he accomplishes, or fails to accomplish, as a public figure.
man what will happen now with Fallon gone? ive been hopefull till now
What? Is that a bad joke or are you just that uninformed? Clearly you have bought wholesale into a pile of right wing crap about what really happened in the Libby case. You can start by researching this line you trot out:
Because that is the biggest bunch of bull dung I have seen in a while.
The missiles have the range and the capability to strike all the ports and refineries in the region…!
1,783 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher:
I have always respected and admired the way your mind works and your ability to cut thru the horseshit to save what’s left a the pony so I jest hafta say “thanks” for putting the Spitzer thing in clear enough perspective to give us some space ta see what’s really goin’ on here.
Now if you would please go ta work on those Clinton-McCain folks…I think Mrs. Clinton jest fired a cruise missile at both women’s’ rights and racial justice. My God, is there any more argument why this person should NOT be president??!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THEY’RE COMIN’ AFTER ALL OF US!!
Thanks Jane,
I thought from the get go he was set up some how. It doesn’t “excuse” his seeing a hooker. He either thinks it’s ok or he’s a hypocrite.
I can’t see why anything he did financially would send up a red flag. He seemed to have been caught in a fishing operation when someone ratted on the hookers to the feds. Once they had him in the net they opened up the PR floodgates and are milking it for all it’s worth.
He sure was careless in his mischief.
The Republiclans are conducting political witch hunts across the land. IRS ivestigating Obama’s church, IRS imposing a lien on Michigan’s Democratic governor’s election committee, Spitzer affair, of course Siegleman. How many other are under the radar.
i would raather my spouse go to a paid hooker for recreational SEX, then fall in love with another woman,but thats just me,or go after little boys?
My last comment disappeared.
wow ,yup connecting the dots… Calif governor Davis to
Earlier variations, I believe, were used to devastating effect in the Falklands War between the UK and Argentine in 1982. Low fast and hot, the resulting fire from an impact can melt the aluminum in a ship’s hull, with nasty effects all round.
O/T: Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams is suggesting that it’s the Obama camp that played the race card in the dust-up over the Ferraro comments.
Wow. Whatever respect I had for Ms. Williams and the campaign is gone.
New Yorkers, is this one and the same Mayflower Hotel of which we speak?
New York Times (March 11, 2008)
Good ol’ Dershowitz, like a defense atty should, jump in to defend someone being prosecuted on shakey grounds.
Now, mind you, if Eliot was a Muslim sending money to a company in the ME some place, Neocon Alan would advocate “other forms” of justice, and not a legal defense.
Wow! Did anyone catch this?
British Cop who Investigated CIA Extradition Flights found Dead
Circumstances sound very suspicious.
The major reason is to make them show their actual case, and make it less likely that they can bring down other Democrats by leaking stuff to the press that would never hold up in court and then making a deal with them to go quietly, but never having to prove their case.
If we didn’t have a Justice Department with a history of political prosecutions, I would tend to agree with you. The problem is, plenty of powerful people do dumb things, and if the only ones being pursued are Democrats and no one stands up to the thugs, then this will only continue.
… stop attacking old white women ! ( /snark)
“Aldrich Ames, infamous CIA officer and Russian spy, received his first $50,000 from the KGB [Soviet intelligence] at the The Mayflower Hotel (127 Connecticut Ave. NW).”
Clearly, the Mayflower is “connected” and “wired” to the hilt.
Sting hotel.
Isn’t Cheney out of the country?
Shizzola.
Iran has lots of advanced Russian missiles as well … I hope Congress reminds Bushco that attacking Iran without their approval is grounds for impeachment …
It’s interesting how there was no Republican outcry over Senator David Vitter or Senator Larry Craig and their recreational sex. Nor for that matter was there any outcry a couple of years ago when a male prostitute (masquerading as a member of the WH press corps) was signing into the White House for overnights.
It couldn’t have anything to do with party affiliation, could it?
That whirring sound you hear is the Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.
No, we’re talking about the Mayflower Hotel in Washington, not New York.
Yup. There is only one “Mayflower Hotel”…
I believe it is a CIA thingy…anyone who stays there should STFU, because the walls are listening….diplomats stay there, politicians stay there….
The Dutch and French seem to have more realistic expectations about human sexuality. Regulate and tax it, and don’t bring “it” home or inside the family. Let families and churches and voters “regulate” the behavior, not the criminal courts. Perhaps we should thank the English for seeding us their religious extremists.
ROFL
((((( EG )))))
IOKIYGAR
it’s OK if your genitals are Republican
The Mayflower in DC, is “the” Mayflower. Now owned by Marriott apparently…oh yeah, and Marriott owns hotels in most of the places that the Emperor’s Club operated.
First, the Feds are after you. Then they snoop into every nook and cranny of your life. They find something. They dig up all the dirt they can find and publish it worldwide.
It must be something to have all that tax payer money to fund your dirty projects, have a massive agency at your fingertips and a megapress owner who will disseminate all the dirt.
I don’t think that was the point of the post at all and I don’t think that it was necessary jump all ugly like that either. How bout that?
EGGSACTLY
Yep, sunk the HMS Sheffield … my brother lost a friend on that ship …
Hugh, I left you something end of last thread.
LMAO
Kirk, give up the practice and do standup … you’ve been on a roll these past couple of weeks …
Glenn Greenwald quoted one of his commenters DCLaw1 about the Spitzer case:
It is a different but valid perspective as far as I can see.
I have been thinking the same thing, someone needs to tell the republic clowns calling for Spitzer’s resignation that Spitzer should resign just as soon as Craig, and Vitter are gone.
Yes, it purports to be a very high-end hotel, lovely bar and brunches and half a city block big. Near Connecticut and K, it’s close to the White House, K Street and several other upscale hotels, lots of lawyers and lobbyists are nearby, and one of the more visible offices of the Secret Service.
Humorously, its “rear entrance” is catty corner from from the National Geographic headquarters. A wild time for all.
A hypocrite is hypocrite, who gives a shit what party they are in?
LOL. in a black humor kind of way.
last year the house wouldn’t even vote to tell bush not to attack iran without consulting with congress. see hugh’s list #280
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought they were a chain. If the Marriott owns the DC Mayflower, aren’t they the goddie goodie staunch conservative family?
A lot of people apparently. On both sides of the partisan divide.
Yea, and I think it’s bullshit.
don’t know if anyone posted this–
on newshour, ray suarez said that the ap said the total amount of money involved in spitzer case is $80,000
wow.
It’s also across the street from ABC “news”.
I thought Waxman had warned him about this in 2007, is that incorrect ?
Sorry, that just will NOT fly! Ferraro raised the subject and chose to use the language she did. If any scripting went on it was from the Clinton side. And what’s really funny is that now Ferraro is saying that her own VP candidacy was because “I was a woman. You wouldn’t even know about me if I was named Gerald Ferraro.”
Yes…we sort of wished we didn’t know of you, Geraldine.
And what does this say about the forthrightness of Hillary’s “offer” to put Obama on her ticket as VP. Not because he is qualified? But because he is BLACK?
And only after all that sanctimonious crap about how Obama isn’t qualified to be President, and how McCain would be better than Obama as Commander In Chief?
If something happens and you are incapable of performing your role as President who is going to take over? BILL? The Constitution says that the Vice-President is the one who is in charge…yet Hillary says she would appoint someone that she considers unqualified to the position? That says a lot about Clintons own decision-making process…either about what she will say about someone else to get elected, or the decision in selecting qualified people for their role. Say anything, do anything…in order to win the election.
I have to say that at this point I don’t care about these details. Spitzer must go, and NOW. Then we’ll talk.
Thanks! I’ve been looking for something socially useful to do…. *g*
On another note, as a patriot who reveres our Constitution, I love your idea:
Yet – though I share the wish – Nancy has made the topic a very bitter joke.
Sigh.
Run by devout Mormons, who nevertheless make lots of money from non-believers.
Many major hotel chains will have hotels in all those cities. Proving precisely nothing.
i do not know.
Thank you, interesting read. I don’t buy all the aspects but it does convey admirably the ever widening circle of consequences that a strike on Iran would engender.
And only after all that sanctimonious crap about how Obama isn’t qualified to be President, and how McCain would be better than Obama as Commander In Chief?
There is NO way a republic can be allowed in the White House in ‘08.
I am old enough to criticize Ferarro.
Wonder if they have the same ppv that the Hyatt in Denver had this weekend?
It has always been a place for diplomats and such to meet and “talk” in the bar, or in the rooms.
Thanks, Hugh. It’s based on the premise that when people conclude they’ll never have a better chance, things can happen very quickly.
That only seems fair: since ‘01, the WH hasn’t allowed a Republic.
I was snarking her comment as well … do you think it will help or hurt her cause ?
I agree, but if you have a chain with ownership that cooperates…spying can be done. That’s all I’m saying. No proof, you are quite right.
I would summarize the Mayflower Hotel (single ownership, various locations, chain) as everybody’s business. How twisted is this business! Ask me no questions and I’ll tell you no lies!
let’s see how fas they call mississippi
First story up: Ferraro
I thought that yesterday too, but this new info, about Eliot’s six year history, suggests it was all conventional:
Well I’ll be damned, Jane reads the Rude Pundit too.
Yer alright my lady.
ami the only who remembers
MAYFLOWER MADAM?
This happened when Bush announced the war on terror. Every country that had a separatist or problem group signed on to the GWOT and went after said group on the basis they were terrorists.
Off on the business of the Queen. See everyone later.
I am not sure what you mean but I never liked Ferarro or Mondale or Ferarro’s husband John Zacarro. And this latest attack by Ferarro suggesting that Obama is some affirmative action construction is just apalling. And based on what I have observed about Ferarro, she thinks this will play on Fox and she will make money off it.
Too early to call, with Obama leading…!
I’m not sure he’s a nice or empathetic guy, but the Goopers don’t know or care either. To them, he’s just a fish they think they’ve hooked. My concern would be what’s he done and what can he do for the people of New York State.
SO OBAMA is 1/2 white/1/2 black …is Ferraro saying his white side would not have a chance”G”
Ding.
KO’s gonna have Rachel on to talk about the offensiveness of GWB’s singing performance today. I kept meaning to bring it up today, but could never quite get his lyrics right.
The consensus in our house is that Spitzer should resign. It’s not a matter of morality for us. It’s an issue of pragmatism. Plus we think that we need to hold those in our party to a higher standard than the Republicans do.
Ferraro’s press agent should be fired for malpractice. She is destroying her legacy as the first significant female VP candidate with each outburst.
Ferraro is out of control and it may be the nail in the coffin of Hillary. How stupid can she be?
Exactly. You could call him white or black, but because he is half black, he’s “black”….that is where the racism really lies. Unbelievable.
Silkworms are the “old anti ship missiles. The serious ones in their arsenal are the SSN-22 Sunburns. hye Falkland missles were French Exocets.
jeebus: the signing statements were bad enough without choreography…
Sorry, her cause as I see it is helping to get Hillary elected, and thanks for replying … I hadn’t thought of Ferraro’s financial gains from this viewpoint …
Oh, no. Diplomats, wealthy tourists, lawyers, business people and Congresscritters all like sumptuous surroundings, good drinks, lovely food and soft music. It’s just that some like more in-room entertainment than others. Me, I like the Irish pub down the road.
Me too. They are incredibly revealing and arrogant.
My thoughts on Hillary are pretty much captured here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..90632.html
Now, that would be the smarter choice!
Hiya eg, what part did her press agent play in all of this … I saw Ferraro making those remarks herself … and thanks in advance for replying …
Fox is just trying to make money on Fox as a commentator by drawing attention to herself. Ferarro will claim that she is a “journalist” and that the Clinton campaign cannot stop her, she is just telling it like it is. Meanwhile, there is a twofer, good for Ferraro and good for the Clintons.
Singing? Oh goody, I missed it.
Like the difference between Leary and Keysey!
Fair enough. If the people of NY State want him out, it’s up to them. I recommend they organize any transition so as to minimize collateral damage, and collateral benefit for the Bush Junta, which doesn’t really give a rat’s behind for more than about one percent of Americans.
Speaking generically. Is there no one in Ferraro’s immediate circle of family, friends, and advisers who will get her to stop digging?
I haven’t read down through the comments yet and this may have already been pointed out, but wasn’t it the republics (and the CIA) who were involved with prostitutes at the Watergate Hotel a few years back? How come it’s okay for them to have male/female prostitutes but a Democratic Governor can’t? It was Porter Goss who was supplying the limos to and fro for these assholes.
Gotcha !
I find it troubling that so many are willing to tarnish their legacies …
Singing?
Oh. WRT my 128….
never mind
Gilda was one of the best … and a Canuck, I might add … ((((( Gilda )))))
Mississippi to Obama, no biggie, you KNOW who lives down there!
Yep. (((Gilda)))
Dayam – another reason I should move to Vancouver…
That’s in Canada’s banana belt, right? *g*
Sadly, Ferrero, is so determine to get the first woman elected president that she lost sight of the purpose of having a woman in that position. She wants a woman in that position at any cost – the end justifies the means. May the best person represent us is obliterated by seeing the first woman in office.
I know many women feel desperate after spending a lifetime working towards making this happen. I would like to see a woman president before leaving this world. However, everything has to fall into place. It must be a woman worthy of that leadership position. I know many men have not been and they got there anyway. Just because there have been very poor men presidents doesn’t mean it is OK to have any woman in that position. I don’t expect Super Woman and all her powers. I just want a woman I believe will take us in a better direction.
you’re not the only one ;o}
In addition this sounds like so much POST-election whinging. It’s not stuff you are supposed to say when you are supposedly winning.
And just how absurd is it when it’s asserted that because Obama is a black male that he has gotten a free ride on the bigotry factor? Ferraro needs to extract her head from just below the backside of her “beltway” and actually look at the crap that Obama has had to put up with. How could Madam Ferraro be unaware of the “Obama is a Muslim” crap that result in Hillary staffers in Iowa being fired. Or the whole thing about Obama dressing up in Somali traditional costume. Or the stuff about his distant Kenya-politician cousin. His middle name. His supposed attendance at an Indonesian “madrassah”. His lack of patriotism. His evil “America-hating” wife.
I’m sure Ferraro actually does “know” this. But because she is Geraldine Ferraro we are expected to “believe” what she wants us to. Someohow her new statement that she was just a “token” woman when she was asked to be Mondales VP doesn’t lend any greater credibility to her irrational statements.
More on the death of the UK policeman that covered up the US Rendition Flights. Possibly a Dr. David Kelly Suicide
I believe she was so called because of genealogical connections to the Mayflower pilgrims (a trait likely shared by many of us), not the name of the hotel.
… and I hour’s flight from the Oilsands environmental catastrophe … *g*
I posted something the other day about Dubya’s poor taste in selecting a song “The Green, Green Grass of Home” that was essentially about the dreams of a death-row prisoner awaiting execution.
Great tune when sung by Johnny Cash (at Folsom Prison) or Joan Baez (at the Bread and Roses festival)…but by the Governor who oversaw the greatest number of executions in Texas history…
there’s gotta be a bit of mental illness involved.
Whoa! I was looking for someone else to make that kind of connection (adjusts aluminum chapeau). Will we later find that he slit his wrists?
Albatross:
There is no long term benefit.
Short term, there’s the chance that he can negotiate a non-prosecution agreement of some sort.
If so, that would keep it out of the news going forward. Much better than having a trial being reported throughout the primiary and election season.
ahhhhh yes,thanks
What causes these men who know they’re surrounded by enemies ready to pounce, who are observed 20 hours a day and talked about the other 4, to suddenly decide no one will notice? If they bring a mistress home, if they find a young boyfriend, if they have their office staff driving assorted bimbos around at taxpayer expense, if they have various zipper problems? They expect everyone to go blind? What are they thinking? And do they ever get old enough to stop thinking like that?
So the structuring charges are lame? They know they won’t stick but they’re going to do as much damage to him politically as they can. I ain’t shedding any tears for Spitzer, but it’s just sickening the double standard at play with the Rs & Ds. “Heads: I win. Tails: you lose.” and Reed & Pelosi, Obama, Clinton, all seem to be fine with that.
I’m a Clinton supporter (reluctantly). But I publicly promise to support and vote for the first candidate who swears he or she will not issue pardons to the Bush administration and will not respect any pardon issued by Bush for any charge that has not reached a verdict yet (no Poppy Bush pardons for crimes that haven’t even been discovered yet. Waiting…..
But Fitzgerald knew that a leak had in fact occured, therefore that there was a perpetrator somewhere to be found. What is the underlying crime here that existed apart from knowing whether Spitzer, or anyone else, had committed it? The situations are not comparable.