Comments on: Down The Politicized DOJ Rabbit Hole… http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:23:00 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: rdwdkw http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323709 rdwdkw Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:30:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323709 <p>Sounds like everyone with an “R” after their name is going to need a pardon before this is done , huh?</p> Sounds like everyone with an “R” after their name is going to need a pardon before this is done , huh?

]]> By: siri http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323637 siri Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:10:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323637 <p>YES! They BOTH need to go, and Chris Dodd heading up the Senate sounds good to me!</p> YES! They BOTH need to go, and Chris Dodd heading up the Senate sounds good to me!

]]> By: Crosstimbers http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323571 Crosstimbers Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:53:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323571 <p>Technically, they may be right. My youngest son was born in Okinawa, when I was stationed there in the USAF. I thought all I needed was a plain old birth certificate. It turned out that the law required one registration and certificate with the Department of Immigration and Naturalization,and another with the Department of State. I only got one at the time. So, while he is a U.S. citizen, it is my understanding that he couldn’t have gone to one of the military academies and can’t run for president. I think we could go back and get the State Department certificate, but not without huge effort.</p> Technically, they may be right. My youngest son was born in Okinawa, when I was stationed there in the USAF. I thought all I needed was a plain old birth certificate. It turned out that the law required one registration and certificate with the Department of Immigration and Naturalization,and another with the Department of State. I only got one at the time. So, while he is a U.S. citizen, it is my understanding that he couldn’t have gone to one of the military academies and can’t run for president. I think we could go back and get the State Department certificate, but not without huge effort.

]]> By: PJEvans http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323570 PJEvans Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:52:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323570 <p>It’s a belt-and-suspenders situation. Funny thing is, I’d think <em>McCain’s</em> supporters would be the ones most likely to complain about a candidate for president being born in a non-North American territory.</p> It’s a belt-and-suspenders situation. Funny thing is, I’d think McCain’s supporters would be the ones most likely to complain about a candidate for president being born in a non-North American territory.

]]> By: MarilynSanAntone http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323546 MarilynSanAntone Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:34:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323546 <p>I don’t think there is a requirement to complete the tallies, but it will be done by March 29, which is the District Conventions. At that point, all the delegates from the caucuses will attend. Then, delegates (a smaller number) will be elected to the State Convention. There, all delegates (elected at the convention and in the primary) will attend the National Convention. BTW, all points to Obama having taken the lion’s share of caucus delegates.</p> I don’t think there is a requirement to complete the tallies, but it will be done by March 29, which is the District Conventions. At that point, all the delegates from the caucuses will attend. Then, delegates (a smaller number) will be elected to the State Convention. There, all delegates (elected at the convention and in the primary) will attend the National Convention. BTW, all points to Obama having taken the lion’s share of caucus delegates.

]]> By: Crosstimbers http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323519 Crosstimbers Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:12:57 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323519 <p>It’s obviously terrible, but the appointment of new U.S. attorneys will head each office and new officials in the DOJ will supervise the entire system. Only if a civil servant lied on their application, could the be removed immediately for that reason. Otherwise, if someone filed a protest that they were unfairly not hired, based on political reasons, they might be able to prove that the hiree should be dismissed. That’s not likely to have happened in many cases, althought there are probably still cases in process where people are protesting specific promotions as unfair.</p> <p>Anyway, correction would be a long process, but I wouldn’t want to be caught taking an obviously partisan action, if the my superiors were conscientious,non partisan civil servants. We wouldn’t want some kind of pogrom to get rid of Republicans, because it would be just as bad as what they are doing.</p> It’s obviously terrible, but the appointment of new U.S. attorneys will head each office and new officials in the DOJ will supervise the entire system. Only if a civil servant lied on their application, could the be removed immediately for that reason. Otherwise, if someone filed a protest that they were unfairly not hired, based on political reasons, they might be able to prove that the hiree should be dismissed. That’s not likely to have happened in many cases, althought there are probably still cases in process where people are protesting specific promotions as unfair.

Anyway, correction would be a long process, but I wouldn’t want to be caught taking an obviously partisan action, if the my superiors were conscientious,non partisan civil servants. We wouldn’t want some kind of pogrom to get rid of Republicans, because it would be just as bad as what they are doing.

]]> By: Ann in AZ http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323510 Ann in AZ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:05:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323510 <p>I gotta admit, I think that whole theory of McCain not being eligible, or for that matter, Romney not being elibible because they were not born in the US, is utterly ridiculous. CNN should know better than to even be giving such a theory a platform.</p> I gotta admit, I think that whole theory of McCain not being eligible, or for that matter, Romney not being elibible because they were not born in the US, is utterly ridiculous. CNN should know better than to even be giving such a theory a platform.

]]> By: Biodun Iginla http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323498 Biodun Iginla Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:57:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323498 <p>CNN is saying that McCain might not become prez if elected. ‘coz he wasn’t born in the US (he was born in the Panama Canal Zone when it still belonged to the US–now it doesn’t)…bill is being sponsored in Congress that would allow McCain to be prez in any case. Guess who’s sponsoring that bill? Obama(rama)</p> CNN is saying that McCain might not become prez if elected. ‘coz he wasn’t born in the US (he was born in the Panama Canal Zone when it still belonged to the US–now it doesn’t)…bill is being sponsored in Congress that would allow McCain to be prez in any case. Guess who’s sponsoring that bill? Obama(rama)

]]> By: Ann in AZ http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323492 Ann in AZ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:54:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323492 <p>But I think we’re talking about just the reverse. You said:</p> <blockquote><p>If the partisan political appointees are replaced by objective civil servants, they will be in the leadership positions to monitor, rate, and promote the career civil servants.</p></blockquote> <p>But what if previously civil service positions are replaced in such a way that they seem to be hired as civil servants, but were essentially political appointees in their hiring practices. How do they get around those rules. For instance, some people who were hired for civil service positions were hired based on their answers to questions about Roe vs Wade, and other such outrageous political questions. Is this allowed? Should it be?</p> But I think we’re talking about just the reverse. You said:

If the partisan political appointees are replaced by objective civil servants, they will be in the leadership positions to monitor, rate, and promote the career civil servants.

But what if previously civil service positions are replaced in such a way that they seem to be hired as civil servants, but were essentially political appointees in their hiring practices. How do they get around those rules. For instance, some people who were hired for civil service positions were hired based on their answers to questions about Roe vs Wade, and other such outrageous political questions. Is this allowed? Should it be?

]]> By: Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323481 Christy Hardin Smith Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:46:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323481 <p>Please <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/09/down-the-politicized-doj-rabbit-hole/#comment-1323455" rel="nofollow">read here</a> for a longer lining out of what I meant.</p> Please read here for a longer lining out of what I meant.

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