As he warned, on Saturday President Bush sanctioned future torture by vetoing an intelligence bill that would have restricted the CIA's interrogation practices to those sanctioned by Congress via the Army Field Manual. As the Times article notes, Bush's veto, which seems highly unlikely to be overridden (e.g. McCain voted against this Bill, so an override will get no Republican support), seals Bush's legacy as the President responsible for authorizing violations of the Geneval Conventions and damaging America's honor and reputation throughout the civilized world.
There have been innumerable media stories of the damage Bush's pro-torture policies have done to the US image, the dubious efficacy of "enhanced interrogation techniques" that amount to torture, and the danger such policies pose to our own troops as confirmed by General Petraeus.
Never mind the overriding moral problem that sanctioning/conducting torture is simply evil. A consistent majority of Americans say we as a nation should just not do it.
The media knows that our President first denied he authorized torture, while his administration systematically lied and withheld evidence that it had used torture which it later had to admit, even after it destroyed some evidence. Even now the White House spokesperson, Dana Perino, makes up ludicrous rationales that the only reason we don't allow the Army to engage in torture via the Army Field Manual is that, unlike the CIA's professional interrogators (but see here), our Army volunteers are simply too young and inexperienced to be able to handle torture techniques. Is there any responsible journalist who takes this gibberish seriously and who is not appalled by the White House arguments and what they imply?
So why did Washington's elite press corps reportedly rise to applaud this President Saturday night? What were they thinking?
WASHINGTON - President Bush said an early farewell to political Washington on Saturday night, making his first appearance on the stage of the Gridiron Club of Washington journalists.
Bush surprised the white-tie audience of more than 600, including Supreme Court justices, Cabinet members and lawmakers, by appearing as the final act of the club's annual revue. To the tune of "Green Green Grass of Home," he sang about looking forward to his return to Texas.
Bush has spoken at the Gridiron Club dinner before, but this was the first time he sang, donning a cowboy hat and joining the chorus to say farewell. He appeared at the behest of Gridiron president Carl Leubsdorf, Washington bureau chief of The Dallas Morning News.
Founded in 1885, the invitation-only Gridiron Club is the oldest organization for Washington journalists. . . .
The audience was surprised by Bush's appearance and rose to applaud his attempt at singing. (emphasis mine)
I understand these things are supposed to be non-political, traditional, and all that, and that some respect is owed the office if not the man. I like good traditions. But is it too much to ask the Washington press corp and their dinner guests that, as we wait impatiently for possibly the most lawless and embarrassing President in our history to run out his term and leave town, they at least retain some dignity and respect for common decency and the rule of law? Is it really necessary to invite this man to entertain you, and then stand to applaud him only hours after he once again disgraced the country? Where is Edward R. Murrow?
The Gavel has responses from Democratic Congressional leaders. And here again are the additional photos from Abu Ghraib. Who will applaud this?
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Arrgghhhh. The DC press makes me sick. I am heartened to hear that fewer and fewer people trust them.
OT: In the good news department, it looks like Tucker Carlson’s MSNBC show might get canceled!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....90648.html
I hope Bush’s ranch is overrun with mesquites.
I am surprised he is still on.
Maybe an opening for Rachel Maddow?
Steny Hoyer is promising that this will be back in Bush’s face - From the Gavel
McCain is on 60 Minutes now, and Scott Pelley asked him about waterboarding. Is it torture? Yes. But Pelley doesn’t know enough to ask about his vote for this bill.
Does the road from DeeCee to Paraguay run through Crawford, TX?
it’s gonna likely have to. he’s gotta pick up some stuff before he runs, right?
No doubt Bush will find a signing statement dating back to when Texas became a state that prohibits Texas raised presidents from being prosecuted.
Glad you’re watching so I don’t have to.
Watching the Good German instead. Funny thing, the immorality seems pretty clear when someone else does bad things, doesn’t it?
the Bigger Dig.
Too bad he was raised in CT
Well, fun may be fun, but it’s really sad when the MSM just sits by and lets Mr. Bush get away with his songs and jokes and all. Too bad they didn’t all collectively boo him or turn their respective backs or just walk out. Shame on them.
Sounds to me Bush showed up to this meeting drunk.
Is there any reason why Congress should not just send back the same bill?
They have no shame. The checked it when they got out of J-school.
2. Pelosi and Reid.
the president has to make the case that waterboarding is not torture, once he gives ground otherwise he is a criminal
plain and simpple
Ya know, that’s my reaction, but I doubt that’s a typical reaction. Apparently, this audience thought it was just good natured fun — and it was, if you can ignore everything else.
Just look at the “tortured” logic in his veto message:
A consistent majority of Americans say we as a nation should just not do it.
Even this statement is depressing. It should be unanimous.
Well, we could look on the bright side…the future Democratic president could call each and every member of the Bush Regime an enemy combatant and could have them tortured mercifully after ripping them out of their beds in the middle of the night?
Just kidding…
I’d love to see Rachel on there, but I can’t imagine them having two liberals back to back.
Never mind.
“We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason if we remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes which were, for the moment, unpopular.” -Edward R. Murrow, on “See It Now,” Mar. 9, 1954…
…from authorizing the CIA to conduct a separate,
lawful intelligence program, and from taking alllawful actions necessary to protect Americans from attack…Fixed (If you look real close you can see the strikeouts)
;~P
The temptation to stoop to their level is just “torture.”
I gotta get off this theme…..
In a way, I hope the republicans do not vote to override the veto. It will go a long way for getting more dems in the congress. I am volunteer coordinator for Robert Hamilton, who is running against Issa. This will be another nail in the coffin.
We are working on a YouTube of the worst of Issa, pups. If you know of any clips, or see any in the future, please note the date of the clip and the minutes into the CSPAN program so that we can add it. We’d like to educate the voters in his district. I’d really appreciate the help, and so would the pup who is helpin g us out on this.
It will always be the Good (Americans who want clean water) v. Evil (Americans who own companies that pollute our water). Getting the right mix in DC to put an end to the madness seems to be the clincher at this point and probably always will be.
LOL Kevin. You’re on a roll, why stop? ;-)
Further editing:
…from authorizing the CIA to conduct a separate, awful intelligence program, and from taking all awful actions necessary to protect
AmericansRepublicans fromattackprosecution…what WON’T the corporate media do to keep their access?
some questions just don’t have answers.
That was about the softest interview I’ve seen. I missed a minute, but i didn’t hear anything about lobbyist in the campaign, endorsements by Hagee and McCain’s “rejection” of some of Hagee’s views, but not others; nothing on the flip flop on torture. Nothing but softballs. What was the point of having 60 Minutes to an interview?
switched to watching the Music Man on one of the HBO’s. Rather watch a self-aware flim flam man. At least he can sing.
Some of these traditions just need to stop between now and January. It’s time to show some respect for our country instead of this baffoon of a president.
Don’t they have the smarts to look ahead and can’t they see that Keith, Stewart and Colbert are taking over? You’d think just out of self preservation, if nothing more admirable, they’d get a clue.
It’s as if Timmeh was in his earpiece channeling Darth…
What was the point? Corporate shilling of course. It just continues that stroking of their fave buddy candidate. As if it really matters to the corpos. All 3 of the candidates are in their pockets or else thy wouldn’t have gotten this far.
The ultimate media spin man. Do you know what you’re kids are doing in the pool hall?
Uh, would this be the same audience that laughed uproariously a few years ago at his “skit” about searching “everywhere” but not being able to find the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?
and where is the Tooth Fairy and my polka-dot pony?
the bi-partisan Washington Village elite worship at the foot of power, that is what they were applauding.
the “common decency and the rule of law” was just window dressing that the Cheney Administration decided to overtly discard.
Doubt anything at this point. They’re playing along with the charade, because if they didn’t, they know they’re as much to blame as Bush/Cheney is. I’m sure some of the Nazis were the same way. They knew somewhere in their tin can hearts that it was wrong what they were doing, but when out in public, they had to act like everything was rosy and fine to protect Adolf, because protecting him was the same as protecting themselves.
“remember the Maine, Plymoth Rock and the Golden Rule . . .”
It’s pathetic that Bush, the Governor who mocked a female death row prisoner asking for clemency to life-imprisonment, whimpered in a high pitched voice:’ Pleeease…Pleeease SAaaave Meeee!”, would even dare to sing this song!
Doesn’t he realize what it’s about? It’s about a death-row prisoner dreaming about his past life and love.
“Then I awake and look around me, at four grey walls that surround me. And I realize that I was only dreaming.”
The man is, in reality, awaiting his execution, and he will only return home when he is dead and buried: “Yes, they’ll all come to see me in the shade of that old oak tree, as they lay me ‘neath the green, green grass of home.”
BTW. Since Bush could never even understand that song, I’m just as sure he would likely not realize that it was sung by someone else several orders of magnitude more aware of its meaning.
Joan Baez
I think this was sung at a “Bread and Roses” Benefit. Johnny Cash also did a version at Folsom Prison, something Bush would never do.
I can only hope that maybe there is some deep, subconcious irony buried within his selection of this song…that someday he will be singing it with real comprehension.
They know that their corporate masters have deep pockets and wingnut welfare policies. Takes a brave person to go out on a limb before the tide is overwelming. Brave, they are not.
give or take a few musical chairs, yes.
They know how to laugh and clap on cue. They just couldn’t figure out that Colbert was mocking them. We got it. They didn’t. Tells you something.
OOOps, please delete that link, Mods.
i found the pony
Good gawd, you have tons of snow too! Wow. ;-)
Dunno, but probably.
Interestingly, in my twenty years of service, working in TOC’s from company level up to division level, only the G-2 at the Divisional level has the authority to ‘Interrogate’, and, BTW, not many 19 yro’s work at the Div TOC…!
Buh Bye:
It won’t be Rachel unless AAR changes her time slot—which would be a good thing AAIC
Oh, Yay!!!
Go, Rachel!
missed linky
Oh, that’s interesting. If there is god, she’s ironic.
that’s right. In the First Cav, Viet era, the intelligence officer was typically a Major, in his 40s.
And dengue-carrying mosquitos…and Muskets.
Actually some good ol’ Tumbleweeds spreadin’ their thorny seeds all over his ranch would be sweet.
Rachel’s been on every possible time slot on AAR. She’ll change again if she has to.
Hey now there’s an idea! Just get a bunch of pick-ups and head to the windward side of the Crawford Presidential Palace!
I live nearby!
condolences.
I’m sure they wouldn’t let a wet behind the ears, second Looie right out of MI OBC interrogate a prisoner… ;-)
Rachel is adding an hour starting tomorrow in some markets. Maybe all on Air America. She is teaming with a political analysist she has on frequently for that last hour so she can continue on MSNBC. She said Friday night that that was the plan and Mark Green saw it as to the benefit of Air America when she was on with Keith.
oh not THAT close.
Bush’s pretend swan song had him pining for the “brown, brown grass of Texas”. Imagine paying taxpayer dollars for speechwriters to give us that drivel. But I’m really wondering why Bush is pining for Texas; he goes there nearly every weekend as it is. His attention to the work of the presidency makes Ronald Reagan look like a workaholic.
I do like the fact that Shrub has finally acknowledged global warming, “The Brown, Brown Grass…!” ;-)
’bout time! He’s “tortured” us long enough.
…just to keep it on topic….
Imagine the damage the chimp would have done if he had an American work ethic instead of one of a addicted rich brat.
not me. I never watch him. Me and millions of others.
The absence of a work ethic in Bush, however, what allowed Dick Cheney to become de facto president. That and critically poor self-esteem, and intellect and curiosity enough to fill a thimble.
It won’t be Rachel unless AAR changes her time slot—which would be a good thing AAIC
I wouldn’t bet too much against it - she’s been putting in an awful lot of time at MSNBC for there not to have been *some* understanding.
On the primary night of March 4/5, I tuned in at 5:00 A.M., and she was *still* on the air. How many people do ya really suppose would do that for “free”?
oh, and btw, don’t anybody tell CTut about this - he’ll be beside himself *g*
Ah, the real reason he was canceled no doubt. (Actually, I don’t even get cable, I let others watch, so I don’t have to).
that much?
That would be in line with the painting in his office of the man on his horse, that he describes as being an inspired true leader. It’s a painting of an escaping horse thief.
707
That explains a lot!
I for one would love to hear Rachel back on her original time slot, 9 am to noon eastern. Along with that I crave the return of Morning Sedition, but that won’t happen. It was a great show to wake up to. Nothing like laughing heartily first thing in the am.
it’s a thimble from a doll house
I’ll give you that.
Actually, I did watch her that morn… It was only 1130-1200 my time…! 8-P
Did you know umbleweeds are edible?
The Washington Press Korps resembles nothing so much as the pre-paparazzi Hollywood press, willing to shill for any mogul, willing to stay silent - for a price - about the drinking, drugs or sexual disorientation of whatever star they offered up.
afaik, I can’t even get Air America around here - well, maybe if I got Sirius or (whatever the other one is), so the teevee is the only place where I can catch her…
whatever the outcome may be - I for one soooo look forward to more shots of Tucker coming in from remote spots with a microphone in his hand, gettin’ blown around while explaining just how far away that hurricane really is at the moment…
I’ve always wondered - what time is it there when Olbermann comes on - and how much stuff do you get live, versus tape-delay?
Are you on Dial-up, otherwise you can stream it here…
http://www.airamerica.com/listen/
When a person has no conscious they have no shame. Torture is a giggling sport for shrub just as he giggled at Texas executions. He loves torture. Think of the most debase things humans can do and those are the cells passed down generation after generation by the Bush clan.
His torture veto is a perfect legacy for him. Let’s make the most of it. Congress will only whine about shrub vetoing grotesque torture. It ends there. But the people can take up the outcry.
One can only marvel at the possibilities of how the DC meadia will treat a President McCain.
Tumbleweed connection (youtube audio only)
Most national feeds like CNN, MSNBC, Comedy Central… I watch them live, but, PBS, ABC, CBS, etal… Are tape-delayed, like the Oscar’s etc… Sports usually is live, tho…!
I’ll celebrate *when* it happens and *if* they don’t replace Tucker with something equally as horrible or worse. Since 2006 my trust level in good overcoming evil is pretty well depleted.
thanks - bookmarked.
You can also paint them white and make cool snowmen out of them…
Tumbleweeds are good?
Bush is just about out. My very real concern is with the defeat of the Bush sycophant, John McCain. Using the better Democrat.
you can also stream it through iTunes either on the AAR stream or a couple of other stations KPTK in LA or 1480 KPHX. The latter two also have Stephanie Miller and some others. All are on the iTunes panel under Radio>Talk/Spoken Word. It’s a better interface than the AAR player IMHO
As bad as Tucker is, CNN’s Beck is worse. And then there’s Lou Dobbs; Beck is a clown, but Dobbs is a more dangerous charlatan.
Tumbleweeds are good?
Only if you make sure that they’re properly dried, and properly mixed with a little sumthin’ when you smoke them…
j/k
All Americans have a responsibility to look beneath and beyond the MSM. The information is out there. It may take a tiny bit of effort, but the truth can be found.
What’s different now is that Keith has become the MSRNC headliner. They’ve finally figured out that what he’s selling people are watching. We’ve got a better chance of getting someone who isn’t a wingnut shill than we ever had before.
Euell Gibbons… zat you?
Tucker was a bloody bore- an annoying nag looking for petty inconsistencies in dem positions..
Bon Voyage Tucker
President John McCain will be worse than GWB.
But they like the little dancing chimp. They always have.
Did Tuck finally get his long awaited pink slip?
One wonders, after the waterboarding veto, where’s the outrage?
well, if nothing else, I think that Pat Buchanan has learned to take her on only at his possible peril - I think it’s become pretty clear lately that Mr. Buchanan, at the very least, respects and listens to what Rachel has to say…
It seems that his daddy couldn’t bail him out this time.
McCain is the Bush/Cheney/NeoCon waterboy. That’s the only way they would let him run was if he obeys them. So he did and he does.
I heard Rachel announce that she is expanding her radio show to three hours and the last hour which conflicts with Keith will be co-hosted with David Bender. I think she said he would be co-host all hours.
Just like Mukasey, whom they would keep as AG.
I just arrived today. Haven’t had an opportunity to read all the comments. What happened?
Tucker Carlson commenting on politics is like Alberto Gonzales advising on prosecutorial ethics and independence.
Yeah, that’s an interesting relationship between Buchanan and Madd