As he warned, on Saturday President Bush sanctioned future torture by vetoing an intelligence bill that would have restricted the CIA’s interrogation practices to those sanctioned by Congress via the Army Field Manual. As the Times article notes, Bush’s veto, which seems highly unlikely to be overridden (e.g. McCain voted against this Bill, so an override will get no Republican support), seals Bush’s legacy as the President responsible for authorizing violations of the Geneval Conventions and damaging America’s honor and reputation throughout the civilized world.
There have been innumerable media stories of the damage Bush’s pro-torture policies have done to the US image, the dubious efficacy of "enhanced interrogation techniques" that amount to torture, and the danger such policies pose to our own troops as confirmed by General Petraeus.
Never mind the overriding moral problem that sanctioning/conducting torture is simply evil. A consistent majority of Americans say we as a nation should just not do it.
The media knows that our President first denied he authorized torture, while his administration systematically lied and withheld evidence that it had used torture which it later had to admit, even after it destroyed some evidence. Even now the White House spokesperson, Dana Perino, makes up ludicrous rationales that the only reason we don’t allow the Army to engage in torture via the Army Field Manual is that, unlike the CIA’s professional interrogators (but see here), our Army volunteers are simply too young and inexperienced to be able to handle torture techniques. Is there any responsible journalist who takes this gibberish seriously and who is not appalled by the White House arguments and what they imply?
So why did Washington’s elite press corps reportedly rise to applaud this President Saturday night? What were they thinking?
WASHINGTON – President Bush said an early farewell to political Washington on Saturday night, making his first appearance on the stage of the Gridiron Club of Washington journalists.
Bush surprised the white-tie audience of more than 600, including Supreme Court justices, Cabinet members and lawmakers, by appearing as the final act of the club’s annual revue. To the tune of "Green Green Grass of Home," he sang about looking forward to his return to Texas.
Bush has spoken at the Gridiron Club dinner before, but this was the first time he sang, donning a cowboy hat and joining the chorus to say farewell. He appeared at the behest of Gridiron president Carl Leubsdorf, Washington bureau chief of The Dallas Morning News.
Founded in 1885, the invitation-only Gridiron Club is the oldest organization for Washington journalists. . . .
The audience was surprised by Bush’s appearance and rose to applaud his attempt at singing. (emphasis mine)
I understand these things are supposed to be non-political, traditional, and all that, and that some respect is owed the office if not the man. I like good traditions. But is it too much to ask the Washington press corp and their dinner guests that, as we wait impatiently for possibly the most lawless and embarrassing President in our history to run out his term and leave town, they at least retain some dignity and respect for common decency and the rule of law? Is it really necessary to invite this man to entertain you, and then stand to applaud him only hours after he once again disgraced the country? Where is Edward R. Murrow?
The Gavel has responses from Democratic Congressional leaders. And here again are the additional photos from Abu Ghraib. Who will applaud this?
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Arrgghhhh. The DC press makes me sick. I am heartened to hear that fewer and fewer people trust them.
OT: In the good news department, it looks like Tucker Carlson’s MSNBC show might get canceled!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..90648.html
I hope Bush’s ranch is overrun with mesquites.
I am surprised he is still on.
Maybe an opening for Rachel Maddow?
Steny Hoyer is promising that this will be back in Bush’s face – From the Gavel
McCain is on 60 Minutes now, and Scott Pelley asked him about waterboarding. Is it torture? Yes. But Pelley doesn’t know enough to ask about his vote for this bill.
Does the road from DeeCee to Paraguay run through Crawford, TX?
it’s gonna likely have to. he’s gotta pick up some stuff before he runs, right?
No doubt Bush will find a signing statement dating back to when Texas became a state that prohibits Texas raised presidents from being prosecuted.
Glad you’re watching so I don’t have to.
Watching the Good German instead. Funny thing, the immorality seems pretty clear when someone else does bad things, doesn’t it?
the Bigger Dig.
Too bad he was raised in CT
Well, fun may be fun, but it’s really sad when the MSM just sits by and lets Mr. Bush get away with his songs and jokes and all. Too bad they didn’t all collectively boo him or turn their respective backs or just walk out. Shame on them.
Sounds to me Bush showed up to this meeting drunk.
Is there any reason why Congress should not just send back the same bill?
They have no shame. The checked it when they got out of J-school.
2. Pelosi and Reid.
the president has to make the case that waterboarding is not torture, once he gives ground otherwise he is a criminal
plain and simpple
Ya know, that’s my reaction, but I doubt that’s a typical reaction. Apparently, this audience thought it was just good natured fun — and it was, if you can ignore everything else.
Just look at the “tortured” logic in his veto message:
A consistent majority of Americans say we as a nation should just not do it.
Even this statement is depressing. It should be unanimous.
Well, we could look on the bright side…the future Democratic president could call each and every member of the Bush Regime an enemy combatant and could have them tortured mercifully after ripping them out of their beds in the middle of the night?
Just kidding…
I’d love to see Rachel on there, but I can’t imagine them having two liberals back to back.
Never mind.
“We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason if we remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes which were, for the moment, unpopular.” -Edward R. Murrow, on “See It Now,” Mar. 9, 1954…
…from authorizing the CIA to conduct a separate,
lawful intelligence program, and from taking alllawful actions necessary to protect Americans from attack…Fixed (If you look real close you can see the strikeouts)
;~P
The temptation to stoop to their level is just “torture.”
I gotta get off this theme…..
In a way, I hope the republicans do not vote to override the veto. It will go a long way for getting more dems in the congress. I am volunteer coordinator for Robert Hamilton, who is running against Issa. This will be another nail in the coffin.
We are working on a YouTube of the worst of Issa, pups. If you know of any clips, or see any in the future, please note the date of the clip and the minutes into the CSPAN program so that we can add it. We’d like to educate the voters in his district. I’d really appreciate the help, and so would the pup who is helpin g us out on this.
It will always be the Good (Americans who want clean water) v. Evil (Americans who own companies that pollute our water). Getting the right mix in DC to put an end to the madness seems to be the clincher at this point and probably always will be.
LOL Kevin. You’re on a roll, why stop? ;-)
Further editing:
…from authorizing the CIA to conduct a separate, awful intelligence program, and from taking all awful actions necessary to protect
AmericansRepublicans fromattackprosecution…what WON’T the corporate media do to keep their access?
some questions just don’t have answers.
That was about the softest interview I’ve seen. I missed a minute, but i didn’t hear anything about lobbyist in the campaign, endorsements by Hagee and McCain’s “rejection” of some of Hagee’s views, but not others; nothing on the flip flop on torture. Nothing but softballs. What was the point of having 60 Minutes to an interview?
switched to watching the Music Man on one of the HBO’s. Rather watch a self-aware flim flam man. At least he can sing.
Some of these traditions just need to stop between now and January. It’s time to show some respect for our country instead of this baffoon of a president.
Don’t they have the smarts to look ahead and can’t they see that Keith, Stewart and Colbert are taking over? You’d think just out of self preservation, if nothing more admirable, they’d get a clue.
It’s as if Timmeh was in his earpiece channeling Darth…
What was the point? Corporate shilling of course. It just continues that stroking of their fave buddy candidate. As if it really matters to the corpos. All 3 of the candidates are in their pockets or else thy wouldn’t have gotten this far.
The ultimate media spin man. Do you know what you’re kids are doing in the pool hall?
Uh, would this be the same audience that laughed uproariously a few years ago at his “skit” about searching “everywhere” but not being able to find the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?
and where is the Tooth Fairy and my polka-dot pony?
the bi-partisan Washington Village elite worship at the foot of power, that is what they were applauding.
the “common decency and the rule of law” was just window dressing that the Cheney Administration decided to overtly discard.
Doubt anything at this point. They’re playing along with the charade, because if they didn’t, they know they’re as much to blame as Bush/Cheney is. I’m sure some of the Nazis were the same way. They knew somewhere in their tin can hearts that it was wrong what they were doing, but when out in public, they had to act like everything was rosy and fine to protect Adolf, because protecting him was the same as protecting themselves.
“remember the Maine, Plymoth Rock and the Golden Rule . . .”
It’s pathetic that Bush, the Governor who mocked a female death row prisoner asking for clemency to life-imprisonment, whimpered in a high pitched voice:’ Pleeease…Pleeease SAaaave Meeee!”, would even dare to sing this song!
Doesn’t he realize what it’s about? It’s about a death-row prisoner dreaming about his past life and love.
“Then I awake and look around me, at four grey walls that surround me. And I realize that I was only dreaming.”
The man is, in reality, awaiting his execution, and he will only return home when he is dead and buried: “Yes, they’ll all come to see me in the shade of that old oak tree, as they lay me ‘neath the green, green grass of home.”
BTW. Since Bush could never even understand that song, I’m just as sure he would likely not realize that it was sung by someone else several orders of magnitude more aware of its meaning.
Joan Baez
I think this was sung at a “Bread and Roses” Benefit. Johnny Cash also did a version at Folsom Prison, something Bush would never do.
I can only hope that maybe there is some deep, subconcious irony buried within his selection of this song…that someday he will be singing it with real comprehension.
They know that their corporate masters have deep pockets and wingnut welfare policies. Takes a brave person to go out on a limb before the tide is overwelming. Brave, they are not.
give or take a few musical chairs, yes.
They know how to laugh and clap on cue. They just couldn’t figure out that Colbert was mocking them. We got it. They didn’t. Tells you something.
OOOps, please delete that link, Mods.
i found the pony
Good gawd, you have tons of snow too! Wow. ;-)
Dunno, but probably.
Interestingly, in my twenty years of service, working in TOC’s from company level up to division level, only the G-2 at the Divisional level has the authority to ‘Interrogate’, and, BTW, not many 19 yro’s work at the Div TOC…!
Buh Bye:
It won’t be Rachel unless AAR changes her time slot—which would be a good thing AAIC
Oh, Yay!!!
Go, Rachel!
missed linky
Oh, that’s interesting. If there is god, she’s ironic.
that’s right. In the First Cav, Viet era, the intelligence officer was typically a Major, in his 40s.
And dengue-carrying mosquitos…and Muskets.
Actually some good ol’ Tumbleweeds spreadin’ their thorny seeds all over his ranch would be sweet.
Rachel’s been on every possible time slot on AAR. She’ll change again if she has to.
Hey now there’s an idea! Just get a bunch of pick-ups and head to the windward side of the Crawford Presidential Palace!
I live nearby!
condolences.
I’m sure they wouldn’t let a wet behind the ears, second Looie right out of MI OBC interrogate a prisoner… ;-)
Rachel is adding an hour starting tomorrow in some markets. Maybe all on Air America. She is teaming with a political analysist she has on frequently for that last hour so she can continue on MSNBC. She said Friday night that that was the plan and Mark Green saw it as to the benefit of Air America when she was on with Keith.
oh not THAT close.
Bush’s pretend swan song had him pining for the “brown, brown grass of Texas”. Imagine paying taxpayer dollars for speechwriters to give us that drivel. But I’m really wondering why Bush is pining for Texas; he goes there nearly every weekend as it is. His attention to the work of the presidency makes Ronald Reagan look like a workaholic.
I do like the fact that Shrub has finally acknowledged global warming, “The Brown, Brown Grass…!” ;-)
’bout time! He’s “tortured” us long enough.
…just to keep it on topic….
Imagine the damage the chimp would have done if he had an American work ethic instead of one of a addicted rich brat.
not me. I never watch him. Me and millions of others.
The absence of a work ethic in Bush, however, what allowed Dick Cheney to become de facto president. That and critically poor self-esteem, and intellect and curiosity enough to fill a thimble.
It won’t be Rachel unless AAR changes her time slot—which would be a good thing AAIC
I wouldn’t bet too much against it – she’s been putting in an awful lot of time at MSNBC for there not to have been *some* understanding.
On the primary night of March 4/5, I tuned in at 5:00 A.M., and she was *still* on the air. How many people do ya really suppose would do that for “free”?
oh, and btw, don’t anybody tell CTut about this – he’ll be beside himself *g*
Ah, the real reason he was canceled no doubt. (Actually, I don’t even get cable, I let others watch, so I don’t have to).
that much?
That would be in line with the painting in his office of the man on his horse, that he describes as being an inspired true leader. It’s a painting of an escaping horse thief.
707
That explains a lot!
I for one would love to hear Rachel back on her original time slot, 9 am to noon eastern. Along with that I crave the return of Morning Sedition, but that won’t happen. It was a great show to wake up to. Nothing like laughing heartily first thing in the am.
it’s a thimble from a doll house
I’ll give you that.
Actually, I did watch her that morn… It was only 1130-1200 my time…! 8-P
Did you know umbleweeds are edible?
The Washington Press Korps resembles nothing so much as the pre-paparazzi Hollywood press, willing to shill for any mogul, willing to stay silent – for a price – about the drinking, drugs or sexual disorientation of whatever star they offered up.
afaik, I can’t even get Air America around here – well, maybe if I got Sirius or (whatever the other one is), so the teevee is the only place where I can catch her…
whatever the outcome may be – I for one soooo look forward to more shots of Tucker coming in from remote spots with a microphone in his hand, gettin’ blown around while explaining just how far away that hurricane really is at the moment…
I’ve always wondered – what time is it there when Olbermann comes on – and how much stuff do you get live, versus tape-delay?
Are you on Dial-up, otherwise you can stream it here…
http://www.airamerica.com/listen/
When a person has no conscious they have no shame. Torture is a giggling sport for shrub just as he giggled at Texas executions. He loves torture. Think of the most debase things humans can do and those are the cells passed down generation after generation by the Bush clan.
His torture veto is a perfect legacy for him. Let’s make the most of it. Congress will only whine about shrub vetoing grotesque torture. It ends there. But the people can take up the outcry.
One can only marvel at the possibilities of how the DC meadia will treat a President McCain.
Tumbleweed connection (youtube audio only)
Most national feeds like CNN, MSNBC, Comedy Central… I watch them live, but, PBS, ABC, CBS, etal… Are tape-delayed, like the Oscar’s etc… Sports usually is live, tho…!
I’ll celebrate *when* it happens and *if* they don’t replace Tucker with something equally as horrible or worse. Since 2006 my trust level in good overcoming evil is pretty well depleted.
thanks – bookmarked.
You can also paint them white and make cool snowmen out of them…
Tumbleweeds are good?
Bush is just about out. My very real concern is with the defeat of the Bush sycophant, John McCain. Using the better Democrat.
you can also stream it through iTunes either on the AAR stream or a couple of other stations KPTK in LA or 1480 KPHX. The latter two also have Stephanie Miller and some others. All are on the iTunes panel under Radio>Talk/Spoken Word. It’s a better interface than the AAR player IMHO
As bad as Tucker is, CNN’s Beck is worse. And then there’s Lou Dobbs; Beck is a clown, but Dobbs is a more dangerous charlatan.
Tumbleweeds are good?
Only if you make sure that they’re properly dried, and properly mixed with a little sumthin’ when you smoke them…
j/k
All Americans have a responsibility to look beneath and beyond the MSM. The information is out there. It may take a tiny bit of effort, but the truth can be found.
What’s different now is that Keith has become the MSRNC headliner. They’ve finally figured out that what he’s selling people are watching. We’ve got a better chance of getting someone who isn’t a wingnut shill than we ever had before.
Euell Gibbons… zat you?
Tucker was a bloody bore- an annoying nag looking for petty inconsistencies in dem positions..
Bon Voyage Tucker
President John McCain will be worse than GWB.
But they like the little dancing chimp. They always have.
Did Tuck finally get his long awaited pink slip?
One wonders, after the waterboarding veto, where’s the outrage?
well, if nothing else, I think that Pat Buchanan has learned to take her on only at his possible peril – I think it’s become pretty clear lately that Mr. Buchanan, at the very least, respects and listens to what Rachel has to say…
It seems that his daddy couldn’t bail him out this time.
McCain is the Bush/Cheney/NeoCon waterboy. That’s the only way they would let him run was if he obeys them. So he did and he does.
I heard Rachel announce that she is expanding her radio show to three hours and the last hour which conflicts with Keith will be co-hosted with David Bender. I think she said he would be co-host all hours.
Just like Mukasey, whom they would keep as AG.
I just arrived today. Haven’t had an opportunity to read all the comments. What happened?
Tucker Carlson commenting on politics is like Alberto Gonzales advising on prosecutorial ethics and independence.
Yeah, that’s an interesting relationship between Buchanan and Maddow. He’d didn’t know what to think at first, but it seems he’s come to respect her.
One wonders, after the waterboarding veto, where’s the outrage?
Well, normally. for outrage to break out, it takes a bit of being brought to the national consciousness – I’m not holding my breath since I have no idea how that’s gonna happen….
and they are talking Willard for veep.
McSame all right.
MSRNC cancelled Tucker.
Just think what could have been. We might at this very moment be rivited to the impeachment hearings. Disgusting.
I’m sure one of the Wingnut Welfare ‘think tanks’ will ensure he is gainfully employed…
his bow tie will fit right in.
The veto story was front page, lead article in Boston area version of Sunday’s NYT. The WaPo did a page 2 story on Saturday.
I’m hoping he gets a gig as bow tie salesman at the GAP.
MSBNC cancelled Tucker.
please feel free to repeat that comment several times throughout this thread, and for as many other threads as possible for the next, oh, month or so.
Good news is so hard to come by….
If there is a silver lining to the veto of the ban on waterboarding, there are those who have argued that if the ban were to pass, the Bushies would take the passage of the ban to mean that it had been legal up to that point. Seems like a hollow victory to me, though. I still have hopes that some day Cheney and Bush will face the International Criminal Court.
Writer Norman Solomon calls America the Warfare State. He says it doesn’t come and go and it can’t be defeated on election day. It is at the core of the country and in every fiber of its citizens.
A Warfare State will attract the lowest of the low and drag everyone down with them. Shrub and his entire ilk reflect this base state. So where and how do the rest of us fit in?
BooMan connects the dots:
Just think about that.
The GAP actually sells Bow Ties…? ;-)
One of the arguments I was making a year ago was that if impeachment were on the table and hearings were open on it, things like yesterday’s veto would be less likely, because it would just add fuel to the anger leading to conviction. Or if that did not occur, become another reason to throw the Republicans out. I never saw a downside to have the issue on the table, and it was clear that taking it off the table was like saying, “there is no accountability, so do your worst.”
I think it fairly obvious that GWB is not fearful of ever facing any criminal actions. And if I were him, I wouldn’t worry either. All around, things are looking somewhat grim as to the rule of law.
Dead kittens and Mittens… how quaint
Exactly.
The GAP actually sells Bow Ties…? ;-)
Well if they do, it should come to an end shortly, if they hire Tucker….
HAAAAAAAA>….BWHAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!(inhales)
BWWWWWWWWHAAAAAAAAA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!
I wouldn’t know anything about how sweet Hastert’s seat is, but I will agree that he has the largest one of that group.
Why sure! In one of their western stores (Utah probably). It’s got it’s own building, which you’ll recognize by the crescent moon on the door.
ben/willard 08
I have VERY consciously avoided beck but used to watch dobbs upon occasion and agree completely. If there is a hell, he will rot in it because of the hatred he has generated about immigrants. My good friend down the street who *is* a Dem agreed with him to a certain degree (which totally drove me nuts) but for some reason over the winter while I was gone has decided she doesn’t want to watch him anymore. Ya take the small blessings where ya find ‘em. *g*
Two seats, actually. Held together with duct tape.
Well, I’m positive Shrub won’t be sight seeing in Europe anytime soon after leaving office…! Bwhahaha…! Rummie certainly left Gay Paree in a rush, a little while ago…! ;-)
Uh, that really screws the margins. Take (use) a break or two.
Less than 50% of Americans trust the media.
The veto story was front page, lead article in Boston area version of Sunday’s NYT. The WaPo did a page 2 story on Saturday.
Well good for Boston, and to hell with the WaPo. Have the country really become so inured to the idea of torture that it’s a page 2, one-news-cycle story?
I mean, is anyone really counting upon a Democratic Representative or Senator to stand up and raise non-stop hell on this one?
Didn’t think so.
When the economy is in the tank, Lou Dobbs’s populism may be our political future. The scape-goating, nativism, anti-intellectualism, etc..all of the “good” things that go along with American Populism.
Don’t include me out of that “less than 50%”.
Yes! Besides being pests tumbleweeds can be stacked and painted to make a Christmas tree and gawd knows what else. If you pick them when they are young and tender you can cook them and eat them just like a spinach.
I miss Aaron Brown ;(
Not to mention McCain backed the Republican challanger and Oberweis lost. What does that say about McCain’s influence. Is anybody listening other than the same old has-beens?It’s a Bob Foster coup.
MSRNC cancelled Tucker.
Here comes Huckabee!
:)
7 years ago torture was only a subject referring to the third world
what a disgrace
Tucker is small change. Bob Foster is B I G news.
Me too. Why hasn’t he come back somewhere else? Is he too principled?
NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
correction @ 149: Bill (not Bob)
Has the youtube interviewer Mark Molarao been mentioned here? He interviews extensively Naomi Klein and Naomi Wolf;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
sorry, Mark Molaro
Too bad, in a way, that our laws didn’t permit waterboarding of Scooter. Of course I’m not advocating that the torture of Mr. Libby would have facilitated getting at the truth.
It’s already rearing its’ ugly head…
http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com/
May we assume that you don’t wish Huck to be on TV? It’s a shame Hee-Haw isn’t still on.
If McCain gets in the WH we just might, by the end of his term, have a full blown dictatorship.
truth??? were we seeking the truth???
AFFIRMATIVE. There are already enough huckster preachers polluting the air waves.
A whole lot of things wouldn’t have happened if impeachment hadn’t been nullified.
Here’s the text of the initiative:
Utter f*ckery! 8-(
Here’s Pelosi and Hoyer on torture. Maybe Bush gambled that nobody would notice if he announced his veto on a Saturday?;~)
If impeachment hearings were going on right now, do you think the nation would need to be fearful of a McCain presidency?
In these two videos, both Klein and Wolf note that torture is used as a signal to society to fear the government, to go silent, and do not stand up to change the government. Naomi Wolf notes that that is exactly what we need to do, create a mass movement and the bullies will fold.
Here comes Huckabee!
lol. Luckily, MSNBC is still a business, and has taken *big* notice of KO’s ratings (as per KO himself, in an interview I saw somewhere).
I find myself wondering whether Matthews, hissown bad self, will be able to hang on to *two* time slots…
afternoon/evening pups
Seems like good news is afloat today (tucker cancelled and dem winning old repug seat). I was occupied with designing our garden today (combo garden and native plant/drought resistant garden with a few dwarf lemon, lime and orange trees thrown in for good measure.
I cannot forgive Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table.
Given the fact that a lot of that 50% are thugs who hate the “liberal” media, that number is a lot less encouraging than it might have been. Wish I had read more carefully the stuff that was on-line recently about the increasing number of those getting their news from the net vs. print and TV…that seemed to have offered a little more hope.
Sadly, the state of play with the MSM directly impacts political decisions. What proposals will get good coverage and public support? How will wrongs be played against them?
Right now, the relationship seems symbiotic for the GOP and parasitic for much of the Dems, which is, no doubt, a direct outcome of the pro-monopolistic “regulation” promoted by Shrub. The Dems will have to fight the press as much as the GOP. There, at least, the progressive blogosphere can help.
I clicked on your link, and noticed that the text was in very small type indeed.
pretty much what I expect the public, vocal responses from pelosi and Hoyer to be as well…
excellent question
Will you try the steamed tumbleweed first? Or if you have, how is it?
I always heard tumbleweeds gave you an upset stomach.
The Bush “ranch” should have mesquitos. They bite you all the time, but if you toss ‘em in a stew they add a lot of taste.
Heh. Teh funny.
Given the fact that a lot of that 50% are thugs who hate the “liberal” media,…
“Liberal Media? What Liberal Media?”
h/t Eric Altermann
It’s unlikely McCain would have sought a public ceremony in which he kissed the emperor’s ring and got his endorsement.
I love planting gardens. I will once again this year be doing about an acre veggie garden at one of our family ranches. My late beloved, gardening freak grandmother, used to tell me, “kiddo, green is God’s favorite color”. I knew what she meant. Incidentally, my Grandma is the one who gave me my nickname (kiddo) when I was a baby here in Oklahoma. I miss my Grandma. Hope you are having a good Sunday evening. ;0)
I think that’s what will happen if McCain is elected with any kind of question mark. I don’t think Americans will put up with another stolen election.
kiddo, thanks for sharing your grandma memory.
i thought of mine today when i made soup. did some things just as she used to do.
Thanks for coming by, everyone. Nice chat this evening. And just let me say that I was looking forward to another Jane Austen right now, but PBS is still doing fundraising, so we get Sarah Brightman. Take care everyone. see you Friday.
A government permitted to torture somewhere can torture anywhere. With a corrupt DOJ, cooperative courts and constitutionally paralytic Congress, who’s to say enough is enough? With a puerile press, who would know if it were said.
Start with little brown people there, and next we profile little brown people here. Railroad, shackle and imprison a southern white governor, then no one will notice raiding a little state legislature. Whether becomes who and no one any longer asks why.
Torture is the symbolic lawlessness the unites them into a political platform.
Their description, not mine.
good news:
Cal State U forced to re-hire Quaker math teacher who inserted “non-violently” into loyalty oath
from Boing Boing by Cory Doctorow
Not small print for me. I use control+ to increase my text size. Wonder if that affects a link in the opposite way?
True, Waccamaw. Not just those of us on the left who don’t trust the press.
night scarecrow
cool trick loo hoo
;)
Somebody~~~taught me that trick last summer! *g*
didn’t mean to imply otherwise. Certainly no offense meant.
Here, in Indianapolis, it’s incredible to read the comment section of the IndyStar.com, and note how many morons consider The Star, a Gannet-owned rag, to be an evil, “liberal” paper. More than once, I’ve seen it called “The Red Star” – I’m not too proud to admit that there are things beyond my understanding, and in this instance all I can do is shake my head and wonder who these people are (and why there are so damn many of them).
This might be a little O/T, but we have got to get a handle on the news that the public is seeing or hearing. Ignorance of the populous, is the repubs best friend and our worst enemy.
And this could prove very troublesome as the election heats up, and the lies, etc., start in earnest (pun intended).
Maybe focusing on some of the most destructive of the current lies for starters and then formulating a rebuttal that is short, has authoritative anger/indignation (the public seems to need that, justified or not), and is easy to understand.
Then take the rebuttal, purchase a highly visible (size?) ad in the regional papers of the country (or more focused areas if effectiveness is improved), and start letting the public know the truth.
Money for the ads could come from $5 donations, and when the ads start showing results, then we would know it is worth continuing financially and otherwise.
Anyway, food for thought.
We are. Going through looking at some beautiful native plant gardens (online), beef stew is a cooking for him (cornbread is already finished) and some fresh grren juice for me. Your grandmother was right, green is God;s favorite color and oh so good for us, the animals and the planet. We hope to create a little wildlife sanctuary for the birds, butterflies and bees.
OH NO O O O O !!!
Our military used torture widely in the Viet Nam war. I had seen videos of it but asked a Nam vet just today who’d spent a lot of time “in country” within enemy dominated areas in small teams. I said, “did you do a lot of waterboarding?”…his answer was vague but defensive:”They (the enemy) would just simply shoot us in the head if we were captured….” (thus justifying torture of captured enemy). Then “We had an ‘interrogator’ come in once a week (to deal with the captures).” No mention whether the captures were simply shot after they were interrogated. Thus he validated the video of captured VietCong being slowly drowned under water filled clothes over their faces. I suspect we just gave the interrogated over to the SouthVietnamese army to finish ‘em off. (
don’t remember hearing of a POW camp on our side for viet cong captured, do you? except for the infamous ‘tiger cages’.