Back in November, I wrote a brief article describing how I expected the financial meltdown underway to continue, and how I expected it to impact the real economy. Below I’m reprinting the 10 predictions I made and I’ve put in italics those which have already occurred.
1) Housing prices and sales will continue to decline. Expect 3 years before the bottom, as a very optimistic best case scenario.
2) Commerical real-estate will suffer a steep decline as well.
3) Consumer demand will drop. Unemployment will rise.
4) The US will go into a recession at best, a depression at worst. Expect first stagflation (high inflation and high unemployment), both because of the increased price of imports and deliberate pump priming by the Fed, then deflation, as asset prices collapse so hard they take everything else with them. The other likely scenario is stagflation followed by hyperinflation. Formal inflation numbers put out will become not just a joke amongst market-watchers, but amongst the actual population. Same thing with unemployment numbers.
5) The Asian economies are not going to "decouple", they are going to have their own financial crises and recessions. Yes, this includes China.
6) China’s stock market will collapse some time next year. China will go into a recession. There will be huge amounts of violence and the Chinese government will redirect anger towards the US and Japan.
7) Multiple banks will probably go insolvent. They are simply holding too much crap paper. There will be an extreme tightening of consumer debt of all kinds, including consumer loans, credit cards and mortgages (this is already beginning, but you ain’t seen nothing yet). Even people with good credit will start having difficulty getting loans.
8) Protectionism is going to get stronger. Even if Clinton, a free trader, is put in power, by the time the 2010 Congressional elections are over no "free trade" bill will be able to pass Congress and in fact actual tariffs are likely to be put in place.
9) I wouldn’t be surprised, at some point, to see capital controls put in place to stop money-flight from the US.
10) When the full extent of how bad things are hits Joe Public, expect a move for reregulation of Wall Street and to reinstitute something similiar to Glass-Steagall.
Bonus Predictions:
11) The government will have to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because they are insolvent. Minimum 500 billion dollars. Possibly much more.
12) Large waves of government layoffs at the municipal and state levels as the inability to raise money cheaply and the reduced property taxes cascade through the system. (Yes, this is already starting to happen, so it’s kind of a safe prediction. But it’s going to get magnitudes worse. Many many municipalities are going to go bankrupt, and many states will be unable to maintain any but the barest of services.)
13) The price of oil will actually drop as there is an actual demand reduction for oil. Don’t expect this to necessarily be reflected in pump prices, which are constrained by refinery capacity.
14) The federal government will become the largest holder of mortgages, and in effect, owner of houses, in the country. By far. The Fed, which has been accepting sub-prime paper already, is going to wind up stuck with a lot of it, because some of the banks using it as "collateral" are not going to survive absent huge government bailouts.
15) A serious collapse of the US stock market, probably by September at the latest. Maybe within a couple months.
The important thing to know about all of these predictions is that they aren’t new. They aren’t even, really, from November. Myself, Stirling, the late Oldman and others were writing about how current policies lead to stagflation, for example, as far back as 2004. Stirling and I were talking about the Housing Bubble as far back as 2002 when it became clear that Greenspan had dropped rates so far he was bound to create one.
This is not to say that we were particularly bright (and lord knows I got the timing wrong), rather it is to say that for the last 6 odd years, nothing has changed. The basic pattern of the Bush years was set in stone after 9/11, the policies of the Presidency, the Fed and Congress haven’t changed. So the events unfolding now are just the logical consequences of decisions made years ago such as:
- to invade Iraq;
- to make tax cuts for the rich in order to bail them out from the dotcom crash;
- to drop interest rates through the floor;
- to allow a telecom oligopoly to form;
- to condone Chinese mercantilist policies which subsidized Chinese exports with a low Yuan;
- to tolerate the Yen carry trade, and
- to refuse to regulate the creation of money in the form of securitization and exotic derivatives.
In 2002 and 2004 the American people voted to continue these policies, including the war in Iraq. In 2006 they voted to end at least some of these policies, but Congress and the President decided to kick the ball down the field, pass some pork bills and wait till 2009 to do anything about any of it. Their bet was they could hold the meltdown off till after the election. They were wrong.
So, what had to be, now is. The performance with the stimulus bill, which was about the worst bill one could create if the actual purpose was to, oh, stimulate the economy, plus the various other futzing around by Congress indicates that no serious changes will be made before 2009. Occasionally something smart may be done, some good idea may go through on the margins, but overall we’re in a gray zone where the train trundles on towards that light in the tunnel, and nothing is going to turn it around until a new Congress and new President are sworn in.
And when they do get in, what are they going to do? The truth is that even they don’t really know. There are no easy answers because the US (and the world, in a sense) has dug itself into a hole that is bigger than the pile of dirt on the side. More damage will be done than there is free money hanging around to fix. The miracle of leverage in reverse is going to remind everyone why "over-leverage" is something old style brokers considered the greatest mistake anyone could make.
The old, oil based, suburban sprawl economy based on forever rising house prices, on easy credit, on subdivision after subdivision–on running up credit cards and on leverage piled on leverage piled on arbitrage, is in the middle of cracking up, spectacularly. While there will be a short term reduction in the price of oil, in the long term oil is still going up and the America of the sprawl economy; the economic geography of America, looks entirely different at $4/gallon gasoline than it does at $2/gallon gasoline. Huge swathes of exurbia and suburbia become simply economically unviable. Zombie Burbs.
Since I’ve been contributing here at FDL, a big part of what I’ve been writing has been an attempt to give readers a basic toolset with which to understand the intersection of politics and economics (and, at the macro level, they always intersect). Over the next few months I’m going to start writing less about what has happened than about what can happen. Not just about how we can "fix" things, but what sort of future the status quo path leads to, what other types of futures are available to us and what the tradeoffs are for various futures (and there are always tradeoffs. Never agree to a plan without knowing who’s paying, and what, because if you don’t, it’s probably you.)
The past is not the future, and the trendline is never inevitable. Hope may not be a plan, but there is always at least a chance to make a change, and make that change for the better. As the American economy collapses around us so too will a lot of the American power and policy apparatus which has made the status quo, a status quo which has served so few so well, and so many badly, so hard for anyone to change. And in the shadow of the collapse there will be a time when we are freer to make choices about what sort of society we want to live in than we have been for a long time.
But only if we’re ready for it. Only if we have thought about what sort of world we want. If we don’t know, others will know for us, decide for us.
FDR wasn’t just a man. FDR was a movement.
So let’s start making an FDR.
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Sounds like a possible economic depression.
How will President McCain fix the economy?
ditto what kiddo says
recession my left foot, we’re in serious economic doodoo
Ian, Aloha…!
How will President
McCainMcBu’ush fix the economy?____
Make the Bu’ush tax cuts permanent. Bingo. Done. Problem solved.
Ian from your prediction #4:
You mean like how they reported that the economy lost 63K jobs in February but the “unemployment rate” dropped to 4.8?
Looking forward to it. Thanks as always for your thought-provoking posts.
Yeah! More of the Same McCain!
Ian, wrt to prediction 14: looks like this may already be happening. From today’s NYT:
In a surprise announcement early Friday, the Federal Reserve said it would inject about $200 billion into the nation’s banking system this month — with more to come after that — by offering banks one-month loans at low rates and in return letting them pledge mortgage-backed bonds and even riskier assets as collateral.
15 inches of snow outside and now this.
Must.Keep.Sharp.Objects.Hidden!
We have about $15,000,000,000 going out each month to support a couple of wars and tax cuts and an upcoming so called stimulas package rebate. And employers are cutting jobs. Could any of this have an impact on our less than robust economy?
Cool!
I took mine straight off his campaign website and Photoshopped it.
Heh, I feel good, my Stimulus letter arrived today from the IRS… ‘Course, the check’s in the mail…! ;-)
We might be in need of an additional war too, (say Iran perhaps).
How much you wanna bet it’ll be declarable as “taxable income” on next year’s returns. Just like his 2001 rebates.
Those ’stimulus’ notices cost about 14 million *sigh*
One of my friends was a whistleblower several years ago, I won’t identify which of your numbered items since that could uniquely ID him/her, and no one was willing to listen. It destroyed my friend’s career. The truth is coming out now. People DO try and stop the train wrecks, and get run over in the process.
Isn’t Cleveland asking the Feds to step in…!
Fannie Mae is onboard the McCain campaign.
Yeah, the stimulus is something of a stimulus, though not much, and the war spending is stimulus as well. The US economy would have hit a recession at least a year ago if it weren’t for Iraq war spending. Of course war spending isn’t very efficient stimulus spending, but at least the money gets to the /right/ people.
:D I took yours and ran it through the gimp.
Did you try that svg McCain head?
I read $42 million.
We need cheap oil.
WASHINGTON – The United States and Iraq are opening negotiations in Baghdad on a blueprint for a long-term relationship, plus a narrower deal to define the legal basis for a U.S. troop presence, a Pentagon official said Friday.
That was the figure I recall, too… $42 Mil.! 8-)
Why does funding a war in Iraq get money “to the right people.” Seems to me much of the spending is on logistics there, and it’s unlikely the products come from here. One the other hand, buying guns, ammunition, armored vehicles built here would have a stimulus effect, but it’s always seemed to me somewhat inflationary, sends is creating incomes, but not producing goods and services consumers need here. Does this make sense?
Why even bother after all these years?
Will the jobs that have been lost in the manufacturing industry be replaced, Ian? I don’t think they will. Oh boy.
I heard a commercial recently on the radio (a “Come to Montana” commercial) and the big selling point was the jobs………..in the service industry. Yep! The commercial said Montana was fantastic and you could find a job as a waiter/waitress/hotel worker/custodian anywhere! LOL Sad. But that’s the kind of economy Bush has allowed to be created.
I’ve lost track of how much bailout largesse has gone to the banks already. And the manuevers to pacify Wall St. haven’t been enough; there’s never enough …
Engdahl, I think it was, predicts 30% overall loss in the housing market, with perhaps 50% decrease in some areas. Yikes.
Meanwhile, the military-congressional-industrial complex is ramping up even more military spending. Presumably to counter “the Yellow Peril”. Again. Sooner or later, China is going to stop backing our deficit spending addiction. What they export to the U.S. is something like only 0.4% of their GDP. Would they miss that market? No.
meu deus, you are right, i mistyped the number. *even bigger sigh*
I fail to see how a nation can fight multi billion dollar wars without raising taxes. I say stop the wars, raise taxes and put the war savings into infra structure, environmental WPA type job creation, health care and education, among other things. This ridiculous stimulus rebate baloney is just that. Baloney.
I’m probably wrong about this, but, isn’t the unemployment rate tied to how many folks are receiving benefits? So many people are unemployed and have been for so long that they have run out of benefits. They’re not receiving checks…but they are still unemployed.
This economy, tied to war and corporate BS, is scaring me so much I went out and got a job. I usually just temp, but I’m not embarrased to say I’m Really Worried about the future.
(The good part is, the new company is Very Green.)
I meant /right/ as in “right”. The right defense companies are owned by the “right” people and they are situated in read areas, staffed by Republicans mostly, etc…
they’re the “right” people.
And look at how much Americans put into their savings accounts these days.
The unemployment rate is not based on UI benefits, it is the number of people considered to be looking for a job who don’t have one, as a percentage of the labor force. How you define “looking for a job” has a huge effect on what the unemployment rate is.
Very scarey.
Well, I don’t have much in savings, but, if I keep my nose to the grindstone and keep this job, I’m gonna buy Land. And, not in Paraguay.
NAFTA, CAFTA and the WTO. I don’t FDR would approve. We need a giant like FDR.
“Meanwhile, the military-congressional-industrial complex is ramping up even more military spending.”
The MIC is choking the fiscal life out of us, and until this is addressed in a serious way nothing much is going to change.
700 billion this year, and that doesn’t include all those “black box” budgets floating around Washington.
Demi,
I’m about to go and get a second job. I can’t get into the hospital i want to get in at the moment. I applied earlier and got no call at all. So…i have to bide my time for a few months and see where it gets me. I qualify for food stamps, but that’s about it for government aid and only for 3 months at that point. But to get one other job for one day a week in addition to the 30 or so i work already per week most of the time? I can do. With occaisional 46 or 50 hour weeks depending. I’ll hurt after those ones, but the money will be worth it to get things evened out before i get myself hired into the job my credentials now qualify for. (and worth my sanity as well.)
But michigan’s economy has been shot for years, now it’s going even further down. So this stop gap measure is exactly that, until things start to pick up for the summer. There’s no use in reapplying if they haven’t called me right now. Middle of may? Maybe.
Ironically, The Chinese holding $2-3 Trillion of our debt and manufacturing 80% of our consumables, with a higher 90-95% of our clothing needs, it would be a lot bloodier for us… 8-(
D’oh.
Sorry.
Okay, I totally believe you.
So, then how do they come up with such optimistically low numbers?
Must be a mathematical deallybob that I don’t get. (which doesn’t take much.)
That should read: I don’t ‘think’ FDR would approve.
moo doo ta you too (with apologies to Fred G. Sanford.)
Ah. Makes sense. I was thinking that the public usually thinks of the economic downturns as cyclical, a sooner or later thing; one of the things that could get folks up in arms is CEO pay, which Waxman was exploring in a hearing yesterday:
Greenspan, Bernanke, and NYC banks broke the country.
When do we eliminate the Federal Reserve Banking System?
When you don’t like the outcome from your statistics; change the formula.
This is how they figure it all out.
We must get the public to understand that these serious problems were caused by the conservative agenda, which has been growing in influence since 1980.
Then we can have our FDR. If we fail to do that, the public will just blame “the politicians” instead of the conservative philosophy.
And as his father’s were before him!
I hesitate to even bring this up, but what happens when the next Katrina hits and we haven’t even finished rebuilding from the first one yet?
Also, how much of this is due to China being our financier?
Am I wrong to feel that I just wish Gore were in charge? There is going to be a need for whole new industries for greening the earth and saving our planet. I know he’s going to be part of that, but I can’t help but wish he were actually in charge.
How much of this is Alan (of course Lincoln Saving is solvent! What are you Fed boys talking about?) Greenspan’s fault?
What about the ‘Right’ people like the Carlyle Group leveraging 32 times…! ;-)
It would be nice to have an FDR. I fear that, instead, we are going to get Lou Dobbs or likely worse. Someone who will get people to believe that a particular group of people [immigrants, liberals, dark skinned people I mean does it matter?] are responsible for people’s economic misery.
We are ripe for real totalitarian government if the economy keeps hurtling downhill.
Sympathetic Hug.
When I first moved to my community, coupla years ago, I checked out the administrative jobs at a (very close by) community college. Lotsa rules, you gotta apply on such and such a day…blah, blah. I took my son to school first, ’cause you couldn’t apply online – the only way – until 8:00, and by the time I got back, there were so many apps that they had already closed the site to new applications.
;(
It’s no longer about corporate responsibility. It’s about share holder bottom line. And outsourcing, among aother things, helps achieve that bottom line.
As for protectionism, it won’t work. Why? Because the countries we are trying to protect ourselves from will do the same to us.
Is that a first cousin to cherry picking?
How was the ride?
Perhaps keep in mind that President Bill Clinton seemed to like Greenspan too.
A few years ago the news was that Janet Napolitano had managed to balance the AZ budget which had gone awry do to the alternative fuels fiasco here, and that she did it without having to raise taxes (I think.) Now it looks like we’re back in the red. I don’t have any idea what happened at this point because I just haven’t been paying enough attention. This is really sad.
Shrub added economic crises into the COG etiquette, mighty white of him, wouldn’t you say…? ;-)
“Am I wrong to feel that I just wish Gore were in charge? There is going to be a need for whole new industries for greening the earth and saving our planet. I know he’s going to be part of that, but I can’t help but wish he were actually in charge.”
No, you aren’t. I’m still mad at him for not running. I always thought if he was really serious about making change, POTUS was the place to be.
Besides, he already won it once. How hard would it be to win again?
Can you say REGULATION….
Look at the presidents that preceded FDR…
The ride was great, my friend. The Red River is low. We rode the horses right across it. Everyone is back and they are clamoring to be fed. And that’s okay. I did a crock pot thingie before I left. ;0)
I did like FDR’s cousin, Teddy’s, trust busting ways…! ;-)
Federal tax receipts are plummeting. The Treasury has had to borrow $75 billion more than planned over the past three weeks, most of that due to lagging revenue.
A very odd thing has coincided with this flood of new Treasury issuance. In the face of this supply of short term paper; rates have been plummeting. This due to the dearth of safe alternatives as credit instruments of all flavors from prime corporate to every sort of CDO are considered too risky. The ultra low rates are in turn compounding the dollars weakness. All a sort of vicious circle. The exact opposite of the virtuous circle that held sway post 2001.
The Federal deficit could easily swell to a trillion dollar annual rate sometime in 09. In the face of this supply let me suggest that rates will rise. The Treasury will be in no condition to bail out the GSE’s and the markets won’t fund an RTC type bailout of them either. Every bailout plan is magical pony thinking.
The financial sphere is already in a depression. Trillions of dollars of fictitious capital will disappear. How the real world Main Street economy fares is open to question, but only questions of how bad it will be.
We are at an historic juncture which will bring to an end the post WWII economic and cultural norms. Neither political party has even an inkling of the vast shift now occurring and neither has a single policy in the back of their minds how to deal with it. All made worse by the fact that government on all levels will be going bankrupt and unable to do much of anything.
This is the biggest story in the lifetimes of all reading this. Great forces of history will now sweep over most of us, economic and social/political. I know and expect nobody will believe this stuff. It’s the worst sort of internet tin foil hat fodder. I actually hope I am textbook nutcase.
It is a point of honor for progressives to be ignorant of finance. Thus ceding all political ground to Free Market Fundamentalists except for ankle biting attacks on ‘greedy corporations’. Our predicament is founded on a financial sphere which has created the biggest bubble of all time, the credit bubble. The South Sea bubble or Tulip mania were sideshows by comparison. We are so close to it, living in it that it is difficult to see as the world of unlimited credit became the norm. To start to get a handle on these issues I suggest a month or two of serious study. After all, it’s about to become the biggest thing ever in your life.
Start here perhaps.
http://www.henryckliu.com/page151.html
Or here.
http://www.prudentbear.com/ind…..bleArchive
Is that “right” as opposed to “left”? *g*
I don’t understand how the war is a stimulus when you’re not actually paying for it–at least not on the budget. Aren’t we essentially putting the war on a credit card and the bill will come due later?
Also, what do you think the chances are that the Repugs get their own blame; I figure people are not gonna cut enough slack when most everything hits on Dem’s watch.
Ouch. I’m actually on the more prosperous side of michigan at the moment, the west side. It’s still hurting like hell though. Factories going overseas and now GM and Ford saying ’screw you!’ to the long time workers as well.
A friend of mine has observed that this is exactly what was possibly going to happen not long ago. The potential to go even worse is only a disaster and a decision away as well. For now, we’re both here and living and doing our best to make our way out of it. It’s all any of us can do, after all. He’s working on his pathway out of this mess, and i’m on my own. He helped me out with one leg of the journey(getting myself Certified) and now i’ve got to bide my time until i can get my end of the bargain. That job i want that will get me OUT of this rut. I don’t need much, just enough to even out my bills and shut the bill collectors up. (though i’ll likely need the aid of a debt recovery agency, i’m avoiding filing bankruptcy like the plague!) Being single and with no kids, i wont’ need too much money. I live fairly simply too, aside from a few foreign tastes in food and entertainment. Gimme my net, my books and my music and i’m all good. :D
Good goals for now. Especially with this crisis looming over our shoulders.
Ok Ian,
Now that you’ve gone all bogeyman on us, what are the answers to this fine mess
OllieDarth & Co. has gotten us into?Blackwater not comimg to California after all.
http://origin.mercurynews.com/…..ck_check=1
I’m repeating a question asked above. Do you envision any scenario which would bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S.?
We were discussing at work spending the stimulus check on something to help the US economy. What would that be exactly? Nothing is made here. Someone suggested (tongue in cheek) that the only thing we could do is to blow the money at the local casino.
Yes. What ever happened to Sherman anti-trust.
Hi Ian: Thank you very much.
Ever notice how today’s gasoline is generic. Remember the “gas wars”?
It’s gonna be big. Trying not to frighten people too much.
Perhaps keep in mind that President Bill Clinton seemed to like Greenspan too.
The neurastheniacs running our Shadow Government liked Greenspan.
Clinton facilitated in the corruption of the Federal Reserve Banking System.
So. Most of us are going to end up in the ‘poor house’? That is, if we’re not already there.
Smoke and mirrors! Same as we’re doing with the soldiers to fight those wars. Just hiring more mercenaries, I presume, at hard telling how many times the price? Perhaps double? More?
It’s since been rendered a toothless tiger, through, both Judicial decisions and Legislative actions…! 8-(
BTW, my sweetie is on MSNBC now…!
And I voted for Bill Clinton twice. I stand convicted.
We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg wiith the financial industry mess. A similar thing happened in the 80’s and it took a while for the full impact to be felt. I saw it first hand as a consultant to banks and, later, working with the Resolution Trust Co.
We are in the initial denial stage where everybody tries to convince each other that things are not that bad.
It’s going to be worse because we have had so much consolidation in the industry. The failure of one large bank will set off a firestorm, and there are a couple that might be tetering right now, think Citi and WaMu.
Congratulations, Demi, good for you! Hate to say it but you have cause to be worried, but I’m really glad to hear that your company is very green. Presumably you’ll also have benefits. Good for you and good luck to you!
Yeah, Bill Clinton presided over a terrible economy and left the govt bankrupt. I’m sure that Bush 41 and Dole would have done a much better job.
If you think there are no tariffs, look here: http://www.usitc.gov/tata/hts/bychapter/index.htm
I have to wonder exactly what the revenue loss is to municipalities and states from the taxes they fail to collect due to e commerce. It has to be crippling, especially in this era of ever dwindling revenues from property taxes and other sources.
It’s strange and somewhat ironic I think, that a Republican, General Eisenhower should warn us about the relationship between the military and corporate.
We need another Great Compression. I just hope we don’t have to have another Great Depression to get there.
My husband works for a company who sells muni bonds to city and county governments. They are having a very hard time collecting money, the cities just don’t have the money to pay the bills.
President Clinton was decidedly pro-business, DLCish and rather third-wayish.
Sorry, I stepped away.
Was in the kitchen making fresh guacamole….which my boys…, I mean men will enjoy.
I’m so glad you had a nice ride….
(give that Lahoma Girl a hug from me.)
Great post. I particularly like the idea of thinking about what kind of society we want to live in. This is the only thing that finally got through against the mantra of “I don’t want my taxes raised!”, it is against my self interest to vote for Democrats.
Well ok, but once you realize the unsustainability of wars forever that didn’t need to be fought. And you realize you have to pay for that. What do you really want your society to look like. Do you really think it is a good idea to socialize social security and have old people across the country starve to death. This seems like a far fetched thought but it isn’t to me. I don’t want to live in a society with starving elderly and disabled people who likewise are disposable.
Anyway I am rambling but I have been talking about the United States losing its hegemony for a long time now with my family and friends. We are in a situation where we have very little industrial base, and less innovation than we once had. (except in risky financial instruments) We were on the precipice for a long time. So GWB and his no regulation, squander the treasury for cronies, break every law economy has just put the last nail in the coffin of our hegemony.
The President is begging Saudi Arabia to pump more oil. I am sure the world is laughing in his face after he attacked Iraq illegally and caused prices to spike.
So China holds the future of our country in our hands. If their return on their dollar reserves goes low enough will they bail and leave us to fend for ourselves?
That’s right.
That he did and laid the ground work for the current world of crap we’re in, by allowing this bill to become law, which amended the Glass-Steagal Act;
Therein, lies the root of the evil…! 8-(
Lord I long for an FDR.
How can you corrupt a thing that was born in corruption?
Thanks, sweetie.
It’s a call center for the company that made Quickbook and Turbotax. Very online financial.
It’s a new industry for me, but the company does seem to be very green: recycling, social responsibility tag on their website.
We’ll see.
I get to talk to people all day and try to help them with their (financial problems).
It’s an opportunity for Kindness To Strangers.
And, I get a paycheck.
(oh, yeah, btw, it’s in Malibu Canyon. Sorta, totally awesome landscapes when I get there….:)
Obama and Clinton seem to be fighting tooth and nail to win. All I can say to either one, is that whoever wins, you had best produce results. Are you listening senators?
Don’t forget that the draft of his farewell speech read:
military-congressional-industrial complex …
I voted for Clinton one time.
Now I gotta do it again, or the inmates take over the asylum.
what language is this?
good for you, congratulations on your new green job!
Well, that would be giving it away, eh?
Seriously though — move to a new basis of money and turn energy into capital.
and a bunch of other things.
Did it really include the ‘congressional’ in a draft? A published text that I have doesn’t have it…! ;-)
I just read a diary at DKos about how we shouldn’t blame Gore for not wanting to play this game anymore. I agree. I wouldn’t want to get back into politics if I were him. He’s planning to finance as much as he can, and he can finance plenty now. He’s become a very rich man.
The only good news is nobody and I mean nobody will have any patience with gooper bullshit about trickle down or tax cuts for fat fucks that caused this meltdown.
China will kick you off when they no longer need the export market. Contrary to what someone said earlier in the thread, that ain’t yet. As a percentage of my bodyweight the amount of food and water I consume in a day isn’t much. Stop consuming it and I’ll find out how important it is.
China isn’t read for independent takeoff yet. But they’re getting close.
The only way manufacturing is coming back to the US is if the price to produce is less here than it is over there (including transportation costs).
Feh…who knows…ya throw stuff out to the universe and sometimes it works.
BTW, may I use your screen name as a password at work?
You know, visualizing?
Well good folks, my lady has set the table and I have eight mouths to feed tonight. Every year all of us take a day off (tomorrow) and get together. For politics, board games, movies and cards. We have five Democrats, one indie and the rest are Republicans. I fixed a three pound shrimp gumbo for tonight. Margaritas and Sonoma County white wine all around. I may check in later.
Hi Ian,
I’m guessing you could italicize #7 within the next few weeks (banks going insolvent). I’ve read about a couple of small ones in the WSJ lately. Also, apparently JP Morgan came out with a report late Friday that said that banks are going to face a systemic margin call of over $325 billion (with a “b”) because of subprime and other bad loans and many won’t be able to cover it.
FDLers who haven’t discovered Calculated Risk and Tanta at their blog (and want to learn more about economics–I understand about 20% of what I read!!) might want to take a gander:
http://www.calculatedrisk.blogspot.com
(Tanta’s snark can match Jane/Christy when she’s on a roll…)
Bon Apetit! OKK! Gumbo is da bomb…!
It did, indeed … “congressional” was struck out on advice … IF I can find the link, I’ll throw it in … too many downloaded web pages, LOL …
Tanta did an excellent report on Carlyle Group’s shenanigans…!
portuguese
Wouldn’t it be interesting if it turned out the gray market (you know, the plumber who asks you to pay him in cash) turns out to be nearly as big as what’s left of the “legit” market.
Yep. Depressing and a touch of schadenfreude at the same time…
“I just read a diary at DKos about how we shouldn’t blame Gore for not wanting to play this game anymore. I agree. I wouldn’t want to get back into politics if I were him. He’s planning to finance as much as he can, and he can finance plenty now. He’s become a very rich man.”
Awww, I’m not mad mad, just disappointed like you. And yeah, I know he’s loaded now, but he still should’ve run.
It’s a lot easier to get Kyoto, etc. passed from the White House than anywhere else.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The fat compensation packages of three U.S. CEOs whose companies are being hammered by the widening mortgage crisis came under harsh criticism on Friday at a congressional hearing on executive pay.
In the last two quarters of 2007 alone, the three executives’ firms lost more than $20 billion on investments in subprime and other risky mortgages, said the House of Representatives Oversight and Government Operations Committee.
Yet the three took home fortunes in 2007 — $120 million for Countrywide Financial Corp CEO Angelo Mozilo; a $161 million retirement package for ex-Merrill Lynch CEO Stanley O’Neal; and $39.5 million in stock, options, bonus and perks for former Citigroup CEO Charles Prince.
”The mortgage crisis is having enormous repercussions. Families are losing their homes … Thousands are losing their jobs. It seems like everybody is hurting, except for the CEOs who had the most responsibility,” said California Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman, committee chairman.
In a hearing room packed with bank lobbyists and lawyers, Waxman said, ”I have no problem with paying for success. But it looks like when you’re a CEO you get paid for failure.”
Bush would be so proud!
It surely is. Especially when you take into account the barter economy, which in these parts, is substantial.
PS, Solai, I should have put a *g* on that. I was smiling when I said it in jest!
BTW, did Carlyle fail to meet any more margin calls…?
What got me was the ‘executive compensation’ guy, talking about how they want to pay these @#$%^&s hundereds of millions of dollars.
They aren’t worth that kind of money. I’m not sure that Warren Buffet and George Soros would be worth that kind of salary – and they’re competent.
What I heard about Countrywide was the kind of story that makes you hope it does go down – not in order to hurt the many peons, but because that’s the only thing that will get through to the over-paid seriously-privileged guys running it. (’Seriously privileged’: the execs expected the security guards to open the doors for them, at any time, without advance notice and even if the guards had never seen them before.)
As I read Rapier’s comment, I couldn’t help but think, “and all this when Mother Nature is about to unleash her forces on us the like of which we’ve never seen!”
Apparently they received more on Friday. That’s the last I heard. I don’t think today’s WSJ mentioned any more. And no more mentioned on CR…
Whatever happened to that SEC investigation of Mozilo? Or the $52 Billion bailout last September?
Don’t they do a phone survey?
Has anyone factored in cell phones as compared to land lines? This could skew the numbers quite profoundly,no.
I hope W doesn’t decide that he’s the best person to stay in power and fix the economy, because it’s a national emergency…Directive 51.
I’m goin’ out drinkin’.
It’s Carlyle Capital a subdivision of the Carlyle Group. What I thought was interesting about the deal was that it had leveraged its money 32 times to finance the investment it was having problems with.
What’s even weirder is that his successors didn’t pay enough attention to his warning!
Well, for us the $64 question is: will we be able to live in Europe on a very modest fixed income paid in US $$? What’s going to happen to the dollar vs. the Euro? *silence* THAT bad, huh?
Heh, I just smell some COG action on the horizon… Particularly since Shrub said a economic collapse is sufficient grounds… as I alluded to earlier…! 8-(
You’re just starting?
OT, but McNuts is on CNN taking about suicide bombers, kamikaze pilots in WWII, the suge is working, blather blather, etc.
If we can’t beat this guy and this deeply flawed and corrupt political party, America should hang it’s head in shame.
For as that great wordsmith in the White House told us,
“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, well, uh, you can’t be fooled again!”
BTW, thanks to the mods for thir efforts in getting me logged back in with my same ol’ screen name. *whew*
You know, when I look at that tired old guy woodenly spewing lies on TV, I can’t help but think he wants nothing more than to retire to Paraguay on 1/22/09.
My toobz were down…lost all my bookmarks again…this is getting annoying…
I’m going out to a gig, and this news gives me a good excuse…*G*
The questions are: What do we do on a personal level to buffer this, and what can be done to fix it…?
I have friends – the ones who told me about Countrywide – who are still trying to get out of the hole the last recession (the Bush41 one) dumped them in. Every time they get to where they can see the end of the tunnel, there’s another ceiling collapse.
I was listening to one of my fellow commuters last night bitching about how ‘no one who’s 60 years old should be living in an apartment, shoulda bought a house or a one-bedroom condo’, yadda yadda, and wondering if he’s ever though about the fact that not everyone can afford a house (especially here in LA) and after a certain age you might not want to buy one. I think he probably votes GOP: there’s a certain lack of empathy / sympathy / recognition that other people may have other priorities, that seems to be a characteristic of conservatives.
Nifty trick indeed, Hugh…! ;-)
“It’s Carlyle Capital a subdivision of the Carlyle Group. What I thought was interesting about the deal was that it had leveraged its money 32 times to finance the investment it was having problems with.”
There’s that damn word again, leverage. As I believe you pointed out the other day, it’s what is screwing us re: oil prices as well.
The last recession was the one at the beginning of Bush 43.
Actually, I’d recommend you use a password you haven’t mentioned on a public site. For your own protection.
Hey, eCAHN! Ya smelled the figures being bandied about, eh…? ;-)
Wall Street crooks have $Trillions stashed away on pirate islands.
Derivatives worth 1 $Trillion in the Cayman Islands alone.
President Clinton might hired an honest AG to get our monies back.
No comment.
It is also highly recommended that you use an alphanumeric password, it raises the difficulty of breaking it exponentially….
thanks. i once spent a couple weeks there in lisbon and the algarve. a long time ago. it was lovely and the people were really nice.
Of course, you are correct.a
I’m usually very careful about that stuff.
Prolly why i get very little spam or other bad stuff.
That speaks volumes, M’dear…! *g*
So what should we be doing to prepare for this besides holding on to our hats. Can’t wait for the next post, Ian.
Since my girls moved out, I’m turning that wing of the house into an apartment.
I forgot to mention I saw another article on MSN about how Gore may still become President due to the fact that they can’t seem to iron out a solution to the delegate problems. So, the article speculated, someone poses the solution to let Gore step in, and the whole thing kinda snowballs him right into the nomination!
Needless to say, I would love that, as would several others here. But it’s such off the wall speculation that it doesn’t seem to be within the realm of possibility.
cog?
hah. when i google it i get “covenant of the goddess” among other things.
(she said, handing him a straight line)
The capitalist economies of the world are driven by credit. This involves creating money based on the creation of future value. This is not happening, but instead this loans are leverage and considered assets and we have a huge juggling act where there are not enough hands to catch all the balls in the air.
All banks are insolvent and leverage. Financial institutions simply suck wealth from the economy in enormous chunks and provide nothing tangible marketable to the economy. Image an economy based on people getting fees and being paid for advice! If you don’t have tangible marketable tradeable fungible assets you are dealing in illusion.
How can a company such as Morgan Stanley make countless billions? What have they created for that those “fees”? NOTHING. Their time is worth no more than a massage therapist for chrissake.
The USA economy evolved from an agrarian base to an in manufacturing industrial base, to a service base, to a financial service base. Financial services are all about trading debt! We produce nothing anymore.
This crash is inevitable with a credit driven economy.
A derivative is worth nothing. It’s an IOU. There isn’t even collateral.
When discussing the state of the economy…or anything else in this country…it’s important we emphasize Bush Administration policy or Republican administration policy. NOT government policy or White House policy. We must use pinpoint accuracy and framing over and over and over.
Aah, Change Of Government protocols, COG, covered in directive 51 amongst others…!
i just heard a song by todd snider on mountain stage, about 43 minutes into it, that was absolutely hilarious…..called conservative christians……….he was on second…..it was his last song…..
here’s the link to the show, scroll down to 3/7 at the bottom.
http://www.mountainstage.org/playlists.html
it was perfect.
maybe it can be found on youtube, but i couldn’t find it.
and gm and ford just gave their executives packages of 15 mil and 6 mil in stocks………..you know, the same companies that just shafted workers and gave them 100,000 kiss off packages so they can hire minimum wage workers to replace them! yeah, that group!
Anybody else see video of the Countrywide and other execs before Congress and note
1. All the empty Republican congressional seats.
2. The witnesses all look like they just walked over from the Bada Bing….
You know what they say: Be careful what you wish for!
Countrywide holds my mortgage and several other people’s that I know. Without them, who will the poor get funding from for homes? Lot of people out there, perhaps some of our kids, will be needing a company like Countrywide. GMAC can’t do it all. Nor can Prudential, etc. The slack from Countrywide alone would sink a financial ship!
One of the protocols, for example, designates one or more Cabinet officers to not attend the annual SOTU…!
I’ve never been to Portugal but it is on my list of countries to visit; I speak Portuguese via Brasil
as far as I’m concerned, this is a great thing
we can NOT import product from countries where they don’t pay fair wages, provide health care and education for theil laborers, without taxing the diffferance
and larry, the host of mountain stage, when todd snider finished conservative christians, said that ’todd’s opinions don’t necessarily reflect the opinions of the show, but they might’………the crowd went wild.
Another problem with the economy is that the government does not choose the format of the economy and has allowed the banks and financial institutions to do whatever they want with the mistaken belief that they are providing the essential investment to drive the economy.
But they are only interested in extracting transaction fee and commissions.
countrywide is already bankrupt. They’re being kept artificially afloat and in an actual free market would have gone under months ago. While Countrywide certainly did some good, they also sold a lot of mortgages to people who simply could not afford them. They weren’t doing those people a favour by doing so, no matter what it may have seemed like.
If capitalism is not seriously regulated it will continue to create these bubbles and crashes, each one worse than the last.
Can some explain to me the basis for mortgage fees?
Wow! And doesn’t that sound dangerously close to a Ponzi scheme?!!
Tell me more, CT. What’s changed from what we had before? A little synopsis if you will.
Now that you mention it, I do remember hearing that one of the banks bailed them out. Weren’t they thinking of a sale?
Capitalism IS a ponzi scheme.
How could a banker get rich if they didn’t create money and steal “legally” by selling money they create out of whole cloth?
You don’t for a minute think that a bank has the assets for the money they loan out? Impossible.
Credit may already be tightening. I want to refinance my mortgage and take a little out to redo the kitchen. (Do I have timing or what?)
I’ve lived in the house for over 10 years, never taken out equity before, and the new loan would be for less than $100k. I have great credit (checked my credit report last month).
Using Lending Tree, no one would make me an offer. Maybe it’s because the mortgage will be small. Wouldn’t a small, productive loan be better than a large questionable one? I don’t get it.
“…the train trundles on towards that light in the tunnel…”
…which is another goddamn train.
As Atrios says, wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Peace Love Light
Why don’t you use consumer credit skip the refi and the wasted fees? Get a low rate and pay it off quickly.
As I’ve mentioned before, essentially Martial Law, as encapsulated in the COG protocols, is now much easier to ‘justify’ by Shrub’s Directive 51… Economic crises were added alongside terrorist acts on the scale of 9/11… In a nutshell…! 8-(
http://www.youtube.com/results…..rch=Search
here’s a youtube page for the todd snider song, you’ll have to pick one, i’m on dial-up, so, can’t tell ya which one is better.
all i know is, it’s hilarious. i had forgotten about it……..
Unfettered Capitalism, that is without viable regulation and real oversight, would be a Ponzi Scheme…!
The ones who lived big and thought their income would continue to grow will be jumping out of tall buildings soon.
True, don’t use your house as collateral for the redo of your kitchen…
That is effectively how the right likes their capitalism – unfettered, free market, no regulation.
They got it.
We are all paying the price.
They thought that the MIC would create enough jobs and infuse enough cash into the economy so they pushed their big DOD budgets – WRONG.
About 6 weeks ago when I first ran the numbers, the rate was 5.25, slightly more than a full point lower than I have now and my payment would have only gone up twelve dollars a month.
Now I’d be lucky to get 6.00, so I may end up doing a separate loan.
In short, my understanding is there is either no or very little basis for mortgage fees. It’s more akin to padding the bill in most cases. A few charges are legit, but mostly, it’s get whatever the traffic will bear, so to speak.
I’ll redo your kitchen!
ok, thanks. that’s VERY. BAD. NEWS. something i’ve been worried about with this gang for a long time. now i have a name for it.
EXACTLY, so how are these guys paying the miscellaneous expenses of their businesses, rent, utilities, clerical staff, etc… all minimal and raking in hundreds of millions in profit?
This is no different than the fees in the financial sector. How much work is involved in a 100 million dollar loan? How’dya like to get the “closing” fees on that deal? And that is what “wall street” does for breakfast.
In normal times,
taking out a little equityborrowing against your house is acceptable if you improve the house and increase it’s value. Way too many people increased their debt to but cool cars and take great vacations. That’s financial suicide.Why our govt. allows this to happen over and over again is beyond me.
It’s very similar to what happened to Long Term Capital Management in 1998.
Actually, the answer to “why” is the financial services lobby.
If it only costs a few hundred thousand here and there to buy influence that makes you billions (that’s with a “b”) you’ll make that tradeoff every day.
And they do. Every day.
This is why no matter what the cost, we would save millions of dollars with govt. financing of elections.
I might take you up on that offer!
Economics is as important as politics and most people haven’t the foggiest notion of how it works. Even the experts don’t.
Ian
Favorite poster. The Spiral you described last week is gaining serious MO. The investors are negative that drives it. But capital calls make expansion impossible. Stag, Reces, Depres and Inflation will bounce us around with great uncertainty.
Becoming energy sustainable reduces the balance of payment deficit. With that additional capital more investment can take place in new green jobs that pay living wage. That supports the consumer economy.
Americans will learn to be more frugal maybe even start saving as they find lines od credit on the home equity dry up.
Local communities will find ways to be sustainable.
It not doom and gloom it is fiscal discioline at home and in government.
I think a message of hope is reasonable. More Ds and less Rs open doors and political possibilities not discussed. MSM wil remain the spoiler.
OK!
Public financed elections would save the people billions and billions and billions of dollars.
And who wouldn’t be making those billions?
Even the election cycle is an enormous cash cow for private media. They love the race, the longer and juicier the more money they make.
By the way, not every corporation is a blood sucking leech on society. That applies to the big ones and those who are trans national.
The media would fight publicly financed campaigns like rabid wolves.
Oh, what a horrible time to be a history major one year away from graduating.
I’m scared, and so are my friends. I know that the concerns are mostly associated with older Americans who are at risk for job loss, but there are a lot of concerns amongst those who haven’t had a chance for a job yet. I don’t have many options for “safe bets”, and neither do many of my friends (whose majors are based on the “guarantee” of a safe, stable, and flourishing economy). What can we do? Am I going to be a part of a generation that will be welcomed to the “working world” with interminable economic fallout?
Scary things are coming.
Looks like…
500 of 568 Precincts Reporting – 88%…Foster (0 / 0)
still at 53% to Ober 47%
Who wants to call it for Foster?
They would!
When you drill into most of the mess we are in, you find someone(s) making out handily.
“The media would fight publicly financed campaigns like rabid wolves.”
Similar no doubt, to how Big Pharma & the medical industry would fight single payer universal health insurance.
Exactly.
the real jobs will be in information technology and green and energy sectors.
We will need a lot of infrastructure build out too.
But DOD stuff is not gonna make it after a while. Fianance? That ain’t a real job.
Yay for Foster! I’d soooo love to that seat go o a Dem. It should be John Laesch of course, but Foster is going to have to do.
Single payer would knock out the insurance “industry” as well. They do NOTHING at all except process invoices and deny claims to make money for the corporation.
94% in F 53% O 47%
Freepers conceded this race at about 74% in. If you’re not afraid (I won’t link) go there and read the comments. They are eating their own.
Foster , Bill Dem 48,170 53%
Oberweis , Jim GOP 43,488 47%
I share your fear. I just got off the phone with my stepson, who’s a couple years away from graduating with an engineering degree. I think he’s going to end up moving in with us, transferring to school here, and not only because he’s got issues with the school he’s attending. It’ll be a lot less travel between home and school for him, less expense for housing. But it will be difficult for him now having been on his own for ten years. Goodness knows what will be waiting for him after he graduates. Even engineers may have no where to go.
I am left wondering what to do with investments; we have to do more movement out of certain holdings, but to what? what will stem the loss of value so that we still can put our two school-aged kids through college in 4-8 years, help our son/stepson during the next two, and still have the prospects of a decent retirement? It seems as if we’ll never stop having to scrimp and save.
Go, Foster, Go!!! This is heavy shit.
How about savings bonds, T bills or green companies?
HA! If you wanted a job, why major in history? Besides, you know what’s coming better than most!
OK, sorry, I’m making light of a dire situation. But there’s another end to the stick that Ian is yielding. That’s that almost all the “money” in today’s economy was illusory to begin with. It was speculative. It was like those “I’ll bet you a million dollars…” that you made in 5th grade. Except it was marked down on the books and taken to be real money. It’s disappearing, and that will be trouble for anyone extracting a salary from pretending it was real.
OTOH, during the Great Depression, most of the money in the world was actual, real money. Since most of the people in the world do not distinguish between real money and the speculative crap that now passes for money, it is a good question about how it will play out.
Suntimes calls it for Foster
Holy fucking shit
Hastert’s seat goes to a dem.
My only regret is that it wasn’t John Laesch
Yes, to expand a bit the war has the perverse effect of stimulating the economy in immediate terms —spending is spending— but the deleterious effects show up later, I’m sure many years later in this case, in all the lossed opportunity today from that much misdirected spending. Since the financing ultimately is through debt to be repaid from future taxes, and through present taxes which have been shifted to the lower and middle income groups, there are also future opportunity losses, as well as a present reduction in the relative well-being of the bulk of us.
Now, that last is likely to be the perceived ill effect of the war spending. But it’s due to the ways the money is raised and spent, rather than to the amount of it. The amount of it tells you just how much we’re not getting, and not going to get for a while without something like a social transformation.
I guess coattails played a role here. This is what we need to have (coattails) so as to get large majorities in the house and senate.
It also has a pretty awful multiplier effect. Not a good way to do stimulus, even as stimulus, unless it’s a full mobilization.
Same thing with the stimulus bill. The best stimulus would have been a massive increase in food stamps and a big increase in EI duration and eligibility. Those folks spend the money immediately because they need the money immediately.
What about the ‘Right’ people like the Carlyle Group leveraging 32 times…!
Don’t get your hopes up just yet: that was only Carlyle Capital corporation, a small part of CG operations. They’ll probably pull the plug on CC soon, and not look back.
Quite so. And it’s not like Congress wasn’t being told last month …
I often recall the best forecast I’ve heard yet about our economic near future. It was given early last year by some guy in the construction or cons finance industry, who said, “This is going to suck.”
Spending for war or any other wastefull purpose is money that can’t be spent on a good thing. I don’t know that building weapons is an economic value.
So what’s your advice as to what us little people should do/can do with regard to our personal/family finances?
A derivative is worth nothing. It’s an IOU. There isn’t even collateral.
Who buys a worthless IOU?
Or do they give them away?
Wasteful spending is a lost opportunity, no question. And my own more-or-less visual metaphor for much defense spending is money poured down a hole. But two things:
1) So long as we live in a world where self-defense has to be given some kind of attention, some degree of spending on it has to be considered socially useful, and therefore an economic good, even if also a sign that we’re not living in Eden. (Somewhere in the dustiest recesses of the profession such things really are written about. And remember, the discipline we know as economics came largely from philosophers of Calvinist faith.) How much or little defense spending is a discussion that it is vital to have, and keep having, in spheres where national values are articulated and broad policy is made; but
2) A great part of the macroeconomic effect of spending is a result of how the flow of “money” it produces works through the economy, some of it perhaps even leaking into your pocket or mine. That’s regardless of the wisdom or correctness of the primary act of funding.
Thus is society bound together. A consequence is that, no matter what one thinks of, say, defense spending, its local effects as it works through society can be, or indeed have to be, seen as goods. To make a large cut in it one still would have to consider that there will be an impact on national income, that it will likely be felt by all social classes and in many disparate industries, and that it might require some remedial action by the government to go along with it, otherwise the follow-on goods would be lost.
That’s where all those unmaintained bridges and levees, real and metaphorical, come in. …
I’m always reluctant to give advice over the internet to folks whose circumstances I don’t know. So take with a huge grain of salt and note that this is not investment advice.
Make sure you’re on good terms with your spouse, friends and neighbours. Cut expenses ruthlessly. Learn how to garden. Save money, but store a lot of it in non US currencies, because if you live in the US you have plenty of exposure. Don’t try and play things short term.
Oh, I’ve heard the arguments, and I know that the odds were against me in the first place. But I had plans, and I don’t know if any of them are going to be sustainable. I know we’ve had scares before, but this one looks completely legitimate in all of my experience (hur-hur).
And I know it was illusory. I know we don’t have the same backing to our currency as we did from our founding until the early 20th century. But that doesn’t mean that visions of prosperity had any less of an effect on me, does it? Growing up in America is a lot like being an immigrant from a foreign country. You see the wealth. You see the good, not the ugly (sometimes). You see the possibility for your dreams to come true. And yet, when you really arrive (adulthood for the former), you see what’s rotten and absurd under the gilt, don’t you?
That’s where I’m at right now. Hard place to be, I guess.
220 responses already. Seems you’ve hit a nerve Ian.
I’ve been a state employee for over a year now. It has been the first time in more than two decades that I don’t sit awake at night, unable to sleep, because of terror that I won’t find work, won’t be able to prevent myself from becoming homeless again. So your prediction about masses of layoffs in state governments has assured that I will spend this evening getting reaquainted with my old friend, economic terror based insomnia.
That said, it is still infinitely preferable to learn of the dangers ahead in advance. Surviving them in the eighties, when the ravages of wild inflation and massive outsourcing were combined with the pre-internet subversion of American public media, was far worse. Even nightmare economic conditions are easier to navigate when good information is available in time to be helpful.
There is an old saying that it is easier to find work when one already has a job. To extend that logic, I am certain that it will be easier to survive a possible future layoff if I start preparing for it now, while I still have work and the house still has a modicum of equity.
I suppose the dubious reward for this community is that, with a hat-tip to your civic-minded prescience, and considerable diligence on my part, I will still be around to make long-winded comments on your threads a few years from now when we are in the heart of our upcoming economic winter.
Excellent Post Ian. The term “trickle down economics” needs to be uttered as often as possible by Democratic candidates as the main cause for the mess we’re in. Tax cuts for the wealthy during a time of war and record deficit spending … it’s the 80’s all over again.
Unfortunately, Bush Jr had to raise capital to pay for his war somehow – so instead of raising taxes he just printed more and more USD. Inflation was inevitable, and we are all going to pay as the wealthy watch their US assets lose significant value and the poor have to pay higher prices on everything from bread & milk to health spending. At least a “war tax” could have been repealed at any time by an act of Congress. This Republican-initiated financial crisis is going to be a long and painful journey.
Keep up the great articles, I believe the economy will be the top issue in the November elections. Hopefully Democrats will clearly be able to spell out how Republicans have made a mess of the economy and as I’ve mentioned above the choice to go to war and how to fund it will be as much as a fiasco as the housing collapse. BTW, many of those ARM’s were longer (5 & 10 year) term low-rate loans & we are just at the beginning of many of them coming due. The housing collapse still has a few *years* to play out I’d think.
One way to start out of the mess may be to declare the equivalent of Chapter 11 for the government and rewrite the terms of the national debt rather than print money as we are now doing. That’s a great, painless way to tax the rich, but it will only work if we put the savings into worthwhile projects, like repairing the infrastructure and creating non-petroleum energy sources and not into pork or the military industrial complex. Unfortunately, it won’t happen.
These are the people I’m using to move some money out of U.S. greenbacks -
http://www.everbank.com/001Wor…..Navigation
Great article Ian, but there was one glaring omission when it come to what the individual can do to off set some of the financial pain that is sure to arrive sooner rather than later. That omission was to begin accumulating both physical gold and silver. While no fiat currency has ever survived history, both gold and silver are in fact the only real money that mankind has ever known.
The colusion between the private banks that make up the Federal Reserve as well as those we have elected over the years from both parties have continued providing “we” the addicts with money not being dropped from helicopters but rather B52’s. We’re told by our elected officials to go out and spend to help the economy and they are willing to even provide you those funds in the form of a tax rebate. Yet it is in fact this unwarrented spending that got us into to mess while forgeting about what it ment to save. This added money will only cause inflation to continue to rise and as they are already charging $5 for a gallon of gas in some parts of CA, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
This will not end well if we continue on our current path, but until and unless policy makers decide to get off the Kenysean band wagon and go back to a sound money system sans a central bank which the Constitution never called for, our consumption society will have no one else to blame but ourselves in not demanding credible change.
As the American economy collapses around us so too will a lot of the American power and policy apparatus which has made the status quo, a status quo which has served so few so well, and so many badly, so hard for anyone to change. And in the shadow of the collapse there will be a time when we are freer to make choices about what sort of society we want to live in than we have been for a long time.
Yessiree. Beautifully expressed, too.
The short term is scary because so many of us are barely holding on as it is. Yes, the wheels are coming off the wagon, some of them anyway. But that may also keep it from going over the cliff, so we can get the hell off too! Time to help ourselves and each other by living how we want to live RIGHT NOW, instead of either hoping for salvation from the government or limiting our choices based on fear of an imagined future.
We can’t reform or consume our way out of this. We have to live the change, find new reasons for getting up in the morning. I’ve already found a couple, though I’m much better at finding crap, so thank you baby Jesus & all the little angles in heaven. I also think the massive turnout for Democratic primaries is a facet of what is actually a collective inner movement. More and more of us are mortally aching for a chance to do some GOOD, and that is stirring the quantum soup. About damn time. When our hearts expand enough to take in the whole of Nature, we won’t recognize this place.
Next lifetime for me, perhaps, but I ain’t dead yet.
I sure wouldn’t want to be running for president now. Whoever wins will have to fight being blamed for this mess. I don’t think a democrat is the answer because the thrive on spending, not saving. I don’t think a Republican is the answer, because generally they will want to continue the costly war in Iraq which is really going to bankrupt the U.S. I even think it may be too far gone for even someone with ideas like Ron Paul to save. It’s pretty sad.
I sure wouldn’t want to be running for president now. Whoever wins will have to fight being blamed for this mess. I don’t think a democrat is the answer because the thrive on spending, not saving. I don’t think a Republican is the answer, because generally they will want to continue the costly war in Iraq which is really going to bankrupt the U.S. I even think it may be too far gone for even someone with ideas like Ron Paul to save. It’s pretty sad.
And replace it with what?
BuzzCritic
Scary stuff. I doubt either of the Demican’s or Republicrats can get us out of this mess, considering it is them who got us into it in the first place.
Gold has actually not kept up with other stores of value, all the way up. Be very careful with gold (for example, if you want gold, why not platinum?) Not saying folks should have none (I don’t give investment advice because I am not a good investor) but do be careful. And watch out for the gold scams, there are plenty of them.
If you expect a real serious collapse things like cigarettes, antibiotics, needles and alcohol will hold value very very well and be exchangeable for real things almost always.
You didn’t mention about the US going war with China in or around 2012…… and some other related predictions around Dec 21, 2012.