Yesterday, Senator Clinton again echoed McCain's claim that he is qualified to be Commander in Chief, adding her own qualifications to be on the same stage but implying Senator Obama did not belong there. TPM has the video:
“I think that since we now know Sen. McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,”. . .
“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.
Should we conclude that the Clinton campaign believes their best strategy for capturing the nomination is to convince the superdelegates/party leaders they must choose her because she's prepared to make it impossible for Senator Obama to beat John McCain?
In the meantime, any candidate who touts their foreign policy experience should explain what role, if any, their "experience" played in creating the conditions in which this is still an almost daily occurence:
BAGHDAD — Two bombings killed at least 54 people and wounded 123 more in a bustling shopping district in the heart of Baghdad on Thursday evening, Iraqi authorities said.
The attack, in the Karrada neighborhood, was the worst the capital has seen since early February, when bombings killed almost 100 people at two Baghdad pet markets, and reinforced fears that insurgents can still carry out devastating bombings in well-guarded areas despite reduced levels of violence in recent months.
According to witnesses, the attackers used an old tactic to maximize the casualties: detonating one bomb and then using a second blast to kill unsuspecting passers-by who rush to the scene to aid the victims of the first explosion.
Thursday’s initial explosion sent shards of glass, shrapnel, blood and flesh across a radius of 50 yards. People rushed to the scene to tend to the wounded. Then, minutes later, a man wearing an explosive vest ran into in the crowd and blew himself up, killing many more people.
And here are additional questions I'd like our Democratic candidates to answer:
1. Given that the Bush/Cheney regime has been the most lawless and destructive of Constitutional safeguards in our lifetimes, what do you intend to do to bring those who flouted the law to justice? If nothing, how do you expect to restore respect for the Constitution and the rule of law and restore confidence in the Department of Justice?
2. On repeated occasions, far too many Democrats have voted in Congress to enable or immunize lawless actions by the Bush/Cheney regime. What would you do as President to restore respect for the Constitution within your own party?
3. The country has been deliberately and cynically divided by Republican rule. The right wing has poisoned the political climate, compromised the media's journalistic integrity, and through incompetence and corruption, undermined government's ability to function in the public interest. What do you plan to do between now and next January to reunite the country, to return effective governance in the public interest, to fashion a movement strong enough to overcome the continued efforts to divide the country, and to marshal the forces necessary to enact and implement meaningful changes at the federal level?
4. How will you mobilize the country to deal with the necessary and massive transformations it faces if we are to solve issues of (e.g.) universal health care, economic insecurity, global climate change and alternative energy development?
5. With those goals in mind, how do you intend to conduct yourself during the campaign, and how do you propose to treat your fellow Democratic opponent? How will you use the campaign to build and unite the party and the country? Update: E.g., how do we avoid having things like this happen?
6. How do you intend to pay for the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions and prepare the country to fund the public investments you think vital to our economic interests?
7. How do you propose to change the attitudes and mindset that led us into aggressive wars?
The country is pleading for serious leadership, but you're not answering these questions, and no one has earned my vote yet. How about some answers to real questions, which I suspect are on the minds of millions of Americans, before ever answering another absurd question from the likes to Tim Russert. Surprise me.
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Wow scarecrow, I had just, I mean JUST complained about Hillary saying that in the last thread!
Maybe Hillary thinks Lieberman would be a good VP to run with? Shit, how about a Clinton/McCain ticket, he seems to be her favorite candidate!
GREAT POST…thank you
IMAGINE IF the MSM asked the candidates real questions….I know…..I need a reality check!
Scarecrow, excellent post! I can’t believe Clinton thinks her new approach is a winning strategy for anyone but McCain. What the fuck is she doing. I’m at almost at the point where I won’t even vote for her no matter what and I never thought it would come to that.
That’s me. I had been defending her and giving her the benefit of the doubt until I saw those clips last night. In my lifetime of experience (a few years longer than hers), I’ve never seen such a self-interested betrayal since reading about Aaron Burr challenging Thomas Jefferson for the presidency.
If Clinton is nominated, Dems lose in November. It’s that simple.
The only threshold that Hillary has crossed is the one that enters a pigs sty.
Senator Obama has made some nice comments regarding some of these issues in speeches, but the press has zero interest in these things, so it is never mentioned. The press behavior encourages the campaigns to talk about horse race issues. Reading the candidates’ issue pages at their websites is about the only way to get this information.
I did some more of myown research after the discussion yesterday (hat tip to Sadlyyes). Hillary is a hawk and Bush’s move to remove Admiral Fellon because he stands in the way of attacking Iran should raise flags for most people.
I think you’re giving her too much credit, Scarecrow. People really are sick of war and sick of the goings on in DC. And definitely don’t want to get dragged into yet another war with Iran.
Jane and Christy have done an excellent job trying to keep the focus of this blog on issues and I wish that our candidates would do the same.
Scarecrow, the questions are brilliant. Far beyond the MSM’s insight and intellect.
I guess the question is whether WE will do anything to maybe insure a more favorable supreme court by electing Hillary. I remain unconvinced that she actually appoint anyone any better than McCain would.
cawCAW Scarecrow!
Good Morning Scarecrow,
Should we conclude that the Clinton campaign believes their best strategy for capturing the nomination is to convince the superdelegates/party leaders they must choose her because she’s prepared to make it impossible for Senator Obama to beat John McCain?
was very close to this conclusion myself last night
I would have argued with you yesterday, but not today.
enshure
THANK YOU. I respect Christy’s argument that it’s all about the Supreme Court. But I have absolutely no faith that Hillary would help us in this regard, or fight with the Senate to help confirm a candidate we could live with.
Excellent, Scarecrow. The Timmeh’s and Tweety’s are all concerned about the process. I don’t think we can get responsible answers to anything right now because the whole MSM is focused on the heavyweight battle/horserace/pick yer silly sports faux manly-man metaphor right here, folks. We need responsible questions, too. And questioners!
That said, I really think the current Hillary team tactics which have been ratcheting up of late are going to backfire on them. People are fed up with that stuff. One thing nobody that I know of ever mentioned in the 2000 election. Was it really “Gore’s to lose”? What role did people being “fed up” with the Clintonistas back then as they are fed up now with neocon BushCo have to play in turning off enough voters to cost Gore the election? I dunno…just asking. But certainly that’s an under-the-radar factor… or why else would we be talking tiein’ McCain so cozy to Bush?
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And Scarecrow, thank you for these questions. Obviously, if Jane is sitting in on Clinton conference calls, she might have a chance to ask a few there. Then, we need to find a mole to ask them of Obama as well. Fair is fair.
The POO has been flung from the top and it’s affecting the Democratic Party.
I think she has more arguments than that.
I fear you may be right. I’ve said from the start that Sen. Clinton was unelectable, because she’s red meat to the lizard brains on the other side and will rally their base base (by which I mean their base is base). Now she seems to be doing everything in her power to alienate us too. I cannot recall any election in the past where this tactic has been used — can anyone else?
I like this one.
I’d really like to hear some answers to it. Especially as the House prepares to
cave ontake up the FISA bill this week.I know she does, but that’s the only one that can penetrate my complete antipathy towards Hillary. From the beginning, my reasoning has been a bit different–I’m a “no dynasty, no monarchy” gal. That’s not my country.
Crow,
Great questions and as the late Freddie Mercury sang” keep getting louder and louder.” My prediction- the coming Iran war will be the last war this country starts.
I saw the news, http://weblogs.chicagotribune......nderi.html
I can not believe it!!!1
I don’t think we matter, Marion. We’re the Constitutional democrats–the populist democrats–that the DLC seems to find disgusting.
Al Olbermann remarked, whatever that threshold is, Laura Bush must have crossed it too.
Helluva post, and great questions all.
Sadly, Sen. Clinton has already answered question #5 and it ain’t pretty.
I think with respect to the Constitution, we’ve got a better chance of pasting it back together with someone who has taught Constitutional Law for ten years.
The rest of this comes from EPU land:
I’ve lost much respect for her as a candidate. For all the talk of momentum after last Tuesday, these comments clearly reflect the fact that they know “the math” is still against them.
So, the approach becomes “McCain & I” are the Very Serious Candidates and junior here just made a speech. This is for the benefit of the superdelegates , because she can’t win unless they go against the popular vote & pledged delegates.
She is risking the Clinton legacy with this approach, and I don’t think it’s gonna work. All she is succeeding at is alienating Democratic voters. There’s not a chance in hell the pledged delegates will flip, and the supers aren’t going to give her this election if she remains behind.
McCain has long since crossed the threshold away from acceptability as commander-in-chief and with this remark so did Hillary Clinton. One dimension of that threshold has to do with knowing when a war is utterly unnecessary and wrong and when it is not. Another is knowing who knows that and who does not, lest one as President put such a person in charge of the DoD or the military itself.
Superb post, Scarecrow! I have lost a lot of my initial enthusiasm in the last few days after seeing how some people are willing to play the game. I guess the upside is that we have at least a veneer of civilization, so they can’t adopt the tactics which they would actually prefer, the type commonly employed in, oh, Zimbabwe…
It’s a shame that neither candidate will deign to answer these questions.
Al Olbermann remarked, whatever that threshold is, Laura Bush must have crossed it too.
Ooooh! We could have a Reagan/Bush ticket! Nancy Reagan and Laura Bush!
HRC crossed the “Lieberman line” by endorsing McCain over Obama. As much as I’ve hated what the republicans have done, I will not vote for her should she be nominated. If there are any super delegates reading this site, you can be assured that I am not alone in feeling this way. I expect the Democratic party to nominate a Democrat. By endorsing McCain, HRC shows me that she is not a Democrat. I actually kind of liked her up until a couple of weeks ago, now I am beginning to understand the visceral hatred she aroused in so many people over the years.
my comments just disappeared into the toobz…Mods?
“It’s a shame that neither candidate will deign to answer these questions.”
The bigger problem is they don’t get asked.
My wife is now glad she did not vote for Clinton (edwards) and is thinking of witholding support if Clinton ”wins”. I am not sure but we will likely each donate to Obama on Wednesday.
This is outta line but I have to find out - if it plays out as expected and there is a reverse FLA 2000 or super delegates swing the popular vote I have to imagine many African Americans are going to be thinking its 3/5ths all over no? I already know what I will feel with the fear tactics and kitchen sink.
my comments were about Hillary-Obama…ticket.
I wish both Senators would go to the Senate and make news there. They have power right now. Not destroy each other.
GHWB came out and backed McCain a couple of weeks ago. I thought it was extremely odd how he stated that did not mean for Huckabee to drop out of the race. I have never heard such an odd endorsement before.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02.....ref=slogin
Then I read Rush was telling his audience to vote for Hillary. I surfed the web yesterday and yes, many Repub’s were proudly stating they and members of their families voted for Hill. Now I see that even Bush’s dad and McCain himself were in on the unscruppleness of keeping the Rep’s in the primaries of the states TX, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont for the sole reason of Repubs crossing over and voting for Hill because they think it would be easier to beat her than Obama. McCain was so far ahead of Huckabee that I wondered why he stayed in the race. I am outraged at the Republican’s dishonest and immoral behavior.
Why in the world do they still have open primaries? We get the nominee that the other side choses for us? That is disqusting. They are so devious. I only recently started following primaries but does both parties pull this crap?
Prior to yesterday, I wouldn’t have stooped to this, but there may be a host of unknown women who crossed the line. She’s the one who brought it up and the Republicans won’t ignore it.
Thanks scarecrow. I’ll support the Democratic nominee, but Hillary just made that more of a chore than it already was. I’m really glad you emphasized that we really can’t afford to occupy two foreign countries.
She’s making a naked grab to Reagan Democrats.
You might want to consider adding a question about how the U.S. is “safer,” after spending two-trillion to make Iran the dominant power in the Middle East. I missed where that was in our national interest.
Hillary and most of the Vichy Dems act as though we really are “safer,” because we destroyed the Sunni counterweight to Iraninan expansion. Not only is there zero evidence to support that, there’s tons of evidence that we’ve demolished moderates throughout the Middle East. Bush/Cheney/McCain has made the Middle East a lot more of a breeding ground for violence than it was before we invaded.
Why in the world do they still have open primaries?
Parties do that in order to grow the party. I don’t like them, and I’m happy that my state (PA) is closed. People have to register by March 24th as a Dem to vote for a Dem on April 22nd.
Good morning. To be clear, I’m not making an argument for/against either candidate. I don’t assume either would make better/worse choices for the Supreme Court — I simply don’t believe that. Nor do I assume either is significantly more/less “progressive” than the other. The voting records don’t really seem to support that one way or another.
The point here is that the campaign will degenerate into destructive territory unless the public pushes them back towards more responsible directions. I believe they’re both more capable of being better, and I want to encourage that. And, it just so happens, they really do need to be thinking about these questions.
Oh, and if Timmeh reads this, too? Saright.
I don’t see anything in moderation or Teh Spam Filter™ from you. Try resubmitting it.
Up until a few weeks ago, both candidates were doing a fairly decent job of talking about issues. But one candidate fell behind in the delegate race and started destructive name-calling, IMHO. If the other candidate ignores that, the press will jump on that candidate for not responding.
we don’t matter or figure in to the current bs, HRC campaign does not have the numbers, all they do have is Superdelegates and a weak ass prayer about MI and FL -
and oh please, even if they answered Scarecrow’s most excellent questions. Corp Media would report
Prickly Dems Lash Out, Erode Voter Confidence
Timmeh does have a page for suggesting questions.
Let’s submit a few
He’s looking forward to hearing from us. :)
I am not sure that anything else is needed in order to decide who the dem candidate should be after Hillary has stated that only she and the gooper candidate are qualified to be pres.
She is simply clarifying the simple fact that she is a gooper lite!
In addition, she has demonstrated her illingness to employ any means in order to win the presidency including a willingness to destroy the Democratic Party.
For those who think we don’t matter, I think that’s a mistake. We do matter. Collectively we are strong, and we matter. It is time for us to speak and speak loudly and often.
I’ve seeing a lot of defeatism in the blogs/progressive media lately. We’re discourage. Time to get off our butts, and start kicking a few.
Probably should check on my meds. Oh, I don’t take any!
The scorned Mrs. Clinton and her handlers are disgraceful…to put it nicely. They feel entitled to this nomination, and will do or say anything to that end.
She and McBatshitCrazySaint share many similarities, and that fact is now coming to light much to the chagrin of the Democratic Party and moreso to the average U.S. citizen.
This isn’t snark. I really feel for Sen. Clinton supporters.
She’s taken a historic candidacy and trashed it all in one fell swoop.
Just read the comments from them here and elsewhere. People have moved from active support to not voting for her even if she wins the nomination.
I’m for Sen. Obama, but I don’t take any joy in this.
It’s entirely too damaging for the Democratic Party.
I do believe her campaign is in a mode of doing whatever they think is necessary for the moment, and they’ll face the consequences when they get to them, even if they destroy the party. It’s time for the super delegates to put the HRC campaign out of its misery.
I’d like to see that ad on youtube. They already had an add that showed McCain as liberal as Clinton, now our side needs an ad showing how she has crossed over too.
Having said the above, I think the Clinton campaign has stepped in ‘it’ for the last time. Aligning herself with McSame will be her demise.
Today they announced the USNonfarm payroll data and we lost 63000 jobs and that’s on top of the 40000 jobs the government added and what will Hillary say.
You and I have been on opposite sides many times, Crosstimbers, but I couldn’t agree with you more on this.
I haven’t read much abt who Obama would appoint on the Supreme court. Any links out there abt this issue?
It’s also important to note that neither candidate has been forced to answer questions like these. We need to push them both, even though much of concern about a particular line of attack at this moment seems focused on Clinton. This could easily degenerate on both sides very quickly.
If we remember how DLC-candidate Harold Ford constantly trashed us during his campaign, I think that gives us a taste of where Senator Clinton’s campaign is coming from. I don’t think we can influence her rhetoric.
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What do you plan to do between now and next January to reunite the country, to return effective governance in the public interest, to fashion a movement strong enough to overcome the continued efforts to divide the country, and to marshal the forces necessary to enact and implement meaningful changes at the federal level?
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At this point, I’m more concerned about how to unite Democratic supporters after a presidential nominee is selected. As the campaigns slide into negative territory (thanks a lot Senator Clinton), there may be irreparable damage being done to party cohesion. This is what happens when you focus on winning the battle and not the war.
- Tom
I watched a super-delegate, Marcy Kaptur, explaining last night how she would vote for Hillary irregardless of how the popular vote went in her district. The rationale was that she had “been elected to do what was best for the people in her district” and that was what she was going to since HRC was better for the depressed industrial area in Ohio. She in her wisdom knew what was best for them, even if they didn’t. This kind of thinking really worries me.
Scarecrow,
It isn’t I think we don’t matter, was only referring to the current HRC gambit
discouraged ? not on your life. article the other day (Salon ?) reminding us all that Kerry was the exception not the rule in clinching by June
and oh, did I mention I now live in a town, county, State that went Blue by the millions ?
Went to MTP site to see if Sunday’s guest/s had been posted yet and saw this headline at the top of the page, Breaking News:
As long as the campaign is framed as who’s got the biggest c-in-c cojones, ain’t nothing gonna change.
War = manly-manness is not the issue.
War = a destroyed economy, destroyed families and lives is the issue.
Georgie and the neocons can tap dance all they want, but they have led us down the Soviet Union in Afghanistan road with Iraq as our Afghanistan. And look at how well that turned out.
Maybe after getting smacked down by Imus this week Russet will knock off the gotchas and get down to real.
Mrs. Clinton has crossed over the threshold into the looking-glass.
Because of limited funds, I was going to wait until the general election to donate for the democratic candidate. Although I always supported Obama, I just added a few dollars to the cause.
Hillary is pulling a Lieberman, going for Republican votes, or so it seems. It’s distasteful, to put it mildly. I believed come November I’d vote for the Democrat, even if it were Hillary, but now I’m not sure. IMHO Nader will do better against Hillary than Obama. It is depressing and demonstrates once again, that liberals need more a more powerful method of demonstrating than comments on blogs.
excellent, excellent post.
i od’ed on this primary a couple of months ago - but you make a very compelling case for not ignoring it.
and if we could just figure out how to hold our dem politicians accountable after they are elected…
“It’s also important to note that neither candidate has been forced to answer questions like these.”
I made that point @35.
“This could easily degenerate on both sides very quickly.”
Let’s stay focused on where it has degenerated very quickly.
On Sen. Clinton’s side.
If you want , you can contact the super delegates from Obama’s contact page.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/superdelstory
OK:
I’m beginning to see the possibility of an Hillary (P)-Obama (VP) ticket. The hell with an identity-politics ticket being stacked. If Hill-Obama can’t defeat a McCain-Joe-Lie ticket (or whomever St-John picks to be his running mate), then this country is in more trouble than I thought…
Those of us who donate time, money, writing letters, phone banks, campainging, canvassing, putting up signs, etc. for our party needs to write Hillary and Dean and let him know we are angry about her comments and may not put any time and effort in the election as campaign workers this fall.
Lot’s of places seem to be turning blue, as Attaturk’s post on the AP/Ipsos poll notes. So we’re likely to win — but it would be better to win with a strong mandate, cause we got a lot of really hard stuff to do, and we’ll get nothing but obstruction from the remaining Repubicans.
A mystery to me. clinton2 has pronounced herself ready willing and able to create a nuclear holocaust. She has at the same time described Obama as being not so capable of pushing the button. So if clinton2 has obama1 as VP and she croaks during the inauguration do we have to assume that that makes obama1 instantly able of creating nuclear holocaust? Maybe I am missing something… pixie dust?
Obama Adviser Says Clinton “A Monster”
Clinton has already flunked this test. Read Jonathan Alter’s piece in
Newsweek, do the math… she has already lost the nomination. All this
blather about supers and makeovers is nothing but an attempt to negate
the bottom up democratically selected candidate. That makes Clinton a
Neoconservative, unacceptable as a democrat on any national ticket. The
aptly named CNN has siezed upon this “can she win it” line out of a
pure profit motive… she lost the nomination and cannot “win” it, only
steal it from the party she uses as a host for her own mad ambition. If
that happens an entire generation of new Democrats will and should be
lost. Too bad, because a lot of down ticket democrats will not stand a
chance in the fall… Obama should run as an independent so we can get
on with the cleanup after the elephant parade and the kool-aid party.
I’ve been watching Nader too. Can’t stomach Hill.
I lost respect for him when he went “Republican Lite” in his Senate race.
His father was a much better Democrat as I remember it.
That would at least put an end to the circular firing squad that the Dems seem to form EVERY TIME THERE’S AN ELECTION. Although after all the trash she’s talked about Obama I can’t see him as being enthused by the idea…
TPM has her apology. It was an unfortunate statement but no where in the column did it praise John McCain.
There goes North Dakota. Perhaps, we can win with a 49 state strategy.
FWIW Samantha Power, won a Pulitzer in 2003 for “A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide.”
Perhaps it’s not trash talking. Perhaps it’s that Clinton triangulation.
It’s despicable, either way.
GREAT questions. Let’s spread them all over the Internet.
I’ve never been good at triangulation — I barely passed geometry in 9th grade!
The market has lost abt 1,000 pts since Jan.
The Bush tax cuts just keep on working….for Bush, his family, and his cronies. Yet, Bush escapes any responsibility. Great job by the MSM and the Democrats, especially Nancy and Harry.
an Hillary (P)-Obama (VP) ticket = pipe dream
Breaking from the NYTimes:
Really bad news. After I passed through US Immigration and Customs in Cincinnati last Tuesday, I exchanged 10 euros for—14 US dollars.
Pathetic…
I am not making excuses for Clinton. I am just questioning the competency of the Obama campaign staff. I mean, conceding the Monster vote to the opposition this early in the race is just plain sloppy.
Ohh I like that idea.
You’re right on this score…His response to inquiries about this has been cold at best. Hill is much more enamored (if i can use that term) about the idea of a ticket with him…
That idiot Amanda Carpenter from TownHall.com is on MSNBC now…and boytoy Rachel Sklar from Huff Post is also on…ha!
So Sen. Clinton praises McCain vs. Sen. Obama 3 or 4 times over the last few days (this from her own mouth, mind you!) and that equals a stupid comment an aide makes in Scotland.
Look, please get my point. It isn’t “Obama always great”, “HRC always bad.”
It’s that she has gone waaaay over the line by praising the nominee of the party that has screwed us royal for the last 7 plus years.
That can’t be tolerated. Period.
The comment the aide made in Scotland was stupid and uncalled for. And, BTW Sen. Obama’s campaign has rightfully apologized and distanced themselves from the remark.
OTOH, Sen. Clinton has repeated her unfortunate comparison of McCain vs. Obama in the press several times.
A weak comparison IMHO.
great post, scarecrow. right on.
Yes, and the stock market is just one symptom. Several stories in the last couple of days. The number of homeowners in negative equity — recored levels. The average equity is now below the break even point. That means on average homes is a net loser in wealth. As Ian explained in a post a few weeks back, much of our “wealth” is tied up in our homes, and they’re now worth less.
Great post, Scarecrow. I have to say, I don’t get what micro-target Penn has identified with this latest round, other than the continued courting of the Archie Bunker class perhaps? But if she ends up winning the primary, do they not understand that McCain’s people will simply turn right around and put her own speech footage in an ad for the general election?
Makes absolutely no long-term sense to me, let alone short-term branding (a la BT’s post from the other day).
Marion, you are right about the circular firing squad issue — really worries me, not so much for the presidential race, which will end up sorting itself out — because it always does. But for all those VERY important down-ticket races where the work really gets done for the rest of us. A President can set a tone or an overall agenda, but the real work is done at the state and local levels, and at the Congressional level in terms of reversing all this crap from the last few years. And if people lose the energy to work to get those folks elected because they get turned off by campaign bile? We are in a world of shit — because the GOP feeds off that, and they are counting on all of us to throw up our hands, walk away, and hand the election to them. Their pot-stirring from the outside is only going to get worse, as is the media’s, and we all need to resist getting bogged down in minutiae and missing that bigger picture.
Anyone else feeling the need for an election vacation? Or is it just me this morning?
TPM has the video of the Clinton comments, and I’ve substituted that link at the top of the post. Also added the Samantha Power’s apology link.
I know this will sound terrible, but Sen. Clinton is really starting to make me feel uncomfortable. Physically uncomfortable. Watching her praise McCain, and rip Obama, just ain’t cool. She’s the drunk at the bar ya’ just can’t seem to shake…and I should know, usually, I’m that drunk. Is anyone else feeling that way? I honestly don’t want to hear any more from her.
Um…I think twolf just found a news item and was trying to make a light funny about it. Let’s walk back the hair trigger a coupla steps…I didn’t see where he was excusing the Clinton behavior anywhere unless I missed a comment somewhere.
but that doesn’t qualify her to be a foreign policy advisor. like all the other Very Serious People, she sees the use of USA military power as a force for good. and she also is very good at convincing dems and liberals - which makes her doubly dangerous in my view.
good debate/discussion at democracy now! with jeremy scahill and samantha powers (there’s also an older debate/discussion/ of her with chomsky that i’m going to have to try to find)
Late arrival here. Hillary has now crossed a line for me. I was undecided til she started going negative. Then I started actively working for Obama. Now, I am not sure I’d vote for her if she got the nomination and I told my story (more colorfully) on Obama’s site where you can send an email to superdelegates.
Hopefully a candiate will address the issue of genocide.
What have you got against the way pigs live?
Markets just opened up and are down 120 already.
Not to excuse it — because it is a stupid, microtargeting clusterfuck of a comment for the long-term from the Clinton camp — but to put it in context: when JFK and LBG were at the height of their haggle at the convention to see who would be where on the ticket, LBJ sent one of his chief minions out to announce from the podium at the convention that JFK had Addington’s disease. While the selection process was ongoing behind the scenes.
We haven’t nearly gotten there yet — thank god — and let’s hope we don’t.
1,778 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Scarecrow and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I am feelin’ particularly cranky taday after spendin’ the last 24 hours on major steroids for what was diagnosed as a major disc problem but is more likely a hip that will need replacement…so I ain’t takin’ prisoners anymore, no more “Mister Niceguy”. I have jest one thing to ask of those who have been dancin’ to the tune of “I will vote for either of them, the point is to beat McCain”…ARE YOU AWAKE YET???!!!
Mrs. Clinton is now, has been since birth and will forever be a self-interested, self-centered upper-middleclass corporatist. In fact she IS part of the “vast right-wing conspiracy” and has been since she figured out that the corporate fascists were gunna win and she sold her politics to Rupert Murdock for a $4 million contribution to the Clinton library and the endorsement of Cruella Ann Coulter and Pumpkin Limbaugh. The strategy now is to destroy Obama as a viable candidate on the “security” and “experience” issues and divert all attention and conversation from real issues especially the economy. If she doesn’t succeed in winning the nomination, she will have driven Obama’s negatives up high enough and forced Obama to Balkanize the Democratic Party so that there will never be another opportunity to put bring the progressive base of the party back to power.
I have been sayin’ this for two fuckin’ years…there is no “moderate, middle” in our politics now. When a radical