Login HereIf our Democratic Party is being torn apart by this divisive and demoralizing Presidential primary, wouldn't you expect Americans to turn away from the party in droves?
If the silliness of both candidates' supporters made neutral observers sick and tired of partisan politics, wouldn't you imagine that fewer Americans would call themselves Democrats?
If the long, drawn-out primary process was wearing people out and souring them on the party, wouldn't you think the percentage of Americans who call themselves Democrats would go down?
WASHINGTON - More people say they are Democrats than said so before voting started in this year's presidential contests while the number of Republicans has remained flat, a survey showed Thursday.
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The poll showed 52 percent call themselves Democrats, up from 45 percent in an AP-Ipsos survey in mid-December. Thirty-five percent say they are Republicans, about the same as December's 37 percent.
Surveys in recent months have shown more people have favorable opinions of the Democratic Party than the GOP. There has also been far higher turnout in Democratic presidential primaries this year than in GOP contests, in part reflecting that Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama continue grappling for the nomination.
So when you read that "Democrats are in disarray" and "this primary system is killing the party" and "the GOP must be loving this," do not believe it. Because it is not true.
A majority of Americans now call themselves Democrats. That percentage rose throughout our Presidential primary process as our many compelling candidates debated across this country, proposing commonsense solutions to the problems faced by American families. And those candidates offered Americans an alternative to the corruption, warmongering, crony mismanagement, and inhuman callousness of the past seven years.
This process is working, and Americans are listening.
And they like what they hear. Americans are joining us in this fight to take back our country. They are turning out to vote in record numbers. They are opening their wallets and purses and piggybanks to our candidates in unheard-of amounts. They are investing in this campaign with their votes and their dollars and their time and their hearts. And Americans are calling themselves Democrats.
A great change is coming. The media mavens and press poohbahs will do everything they can to drown it out. They do not want us to hear it. But the numbers do not lie: our party is growing.
Change is now abroad in our land. Let's be the change.
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Teddy!
We, in this home are Democrats.
Thanks Teddy. I think this is a very good point. Thanks for making it here. This may get even more people mobilized. We have to push back against the negative themes that benefit the pathetic republicans.
And acting… Numerous voter turn-out records have been shattered… and they ain’t voting Repug…! *g*
There’s a change coming all right. We are finally awaking to what it is the Republican Party stands for. Basically, hate and intolerence.
Hey, this is a good thought going into the weekend Teddy. I think you are right. Dislike the Power-loss issue, however.
thx.
Why would a liberal media posit such memes, suggest such ideas, and otherwise attempt to influence the way the public thinks about Democrats and Republicans?
Big voter turnout favors the Democrats. McCain. You are a sacrificial sucker. Perhaps Mr. McCain understands that.
The media loves conflict, and encourages it to our detriment.
Presently, for me, there is none worse than Nora O’Donnell.
I am very, very angry with Senator Clinton. But I suppose when it gets to pushing and shoving, if Clinton is the nominee I will vote for her. Lahoma has yet to come around to this way of thinking.
I’m sure Lahoma will come around by November, if need be… As a former, Nader Raider, I finally saw the light…! *g*
Republicans have remained flat? Love it.
Hillary Clinton and Bill. You two have really pissed my lady and I off lately. You two are ruthless and ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
That ad pop-up ad was fuckin’ annoying. It wouldn’t go away. Anyway, I guess it’s necessary, so it’s Ok.
Anyway. The problem here is how the dems have been doing this lately. Well, no. Not “the dems.” Hillary. Look, I was an Edwards supporter from tyhe beginning and hasd no preference between these two, really. But Hillary is now engaging inm a strategy of trying to hurt BOs chances in the gebneral election and then saying “Hey, don’t vote for him. He can’t win.” It’s bogus. And it better stop. Not that it maters here. McCain is gonna carry this state.
Agreed that the voter turnout has been astounding and it has been good for the party, I’m just suffering from Primary burn out and the hypocritical campaigning.
thanks for the positive take, Teddy
Ditto here. Well. Not my lady. She’s apolitical. But those are my sentiments exactly.
Posit meme’s. . .what kind of latte will you have?
And in more and more homes everyday, kiddo!
Hi Pade! We do need to make this point, here and everywhere. Watching the cablefests today, I am unsurprised that no one has mentioned this extraordinary poll result: we are a Democratic majority country.
Perhaps Mr Olbermann will think to mention it presently.
Take a break from it all before PA. No TV shows, no papers on the elction for a week or so. No columns about it. It’ll be good. I did it after NH.
Yeah. I needed a positive point of view on this. I’ve been pretty bummed out lately on account of Hillary bein’ a piece of poop.
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Citizen TeddySanFran and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
EEE-doggies…Yeah!! You go TSF…nobody gets ta hang their heads!! Get mad as hell…put the heat on ALL the Dems ‘cuz THAT’s who’re gunna be makin’ the decisions. This is an election year for more’n President…this is the ONLY time we get ta really have an immediate impact on positions and votes of even “safe seat” Dems.
So you keep the volume up kid…jest point and holler!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER!!!
I got a phone call today from Voters for Peace, whom I’d never heard of. They asked for money and asked me to volunteer. I asked for a website. I went there and, lo and behold, it’s a place to go to support Nader. Nader, insufferably, is running and fucking with the process yet again.
Actually they dropped two, but that’s probably statistically insignificant. 37 then; 35 now. Still, it might be a trend. I can’t see voters drawn to the GOP field of candidates during their primary process — but that might be just me. ;)
I saw something on my surfing travels today…and if it gets legs it is going to get really uggggly and it is obvious that it is a Rovian really dirty tactic.
The candidates must stay above the fray and stop the BS.
Hillary at 3am will say: “I don’t care if there is a disaster in Mississippi, Texas, and Florida tonight because I was called a Monster today! I’m hurting!!!!!”.
Spit.
Heh, My wife is a Hill fan, but, she’ll vote for Obama in November…! ;-)
Not every possible candidate action is good for our party. Clinton’s recent Republican framing is severely damaging to our cause, IMHO. It’s one thing if a Rethug says that Obama doesn’t have enough experience, but it’s entirely another if a leading Democrat says it.
Let’s not be pollyannish here. If Clinton continues along with this strategy, it will hurt us in November.
I would guess that those who are supporting the GOP at the moment are the ones who are dragging their knuckles on the ground as they walk and who drool down their necks as they watch Fox News. ;-)
GW, I’m a reformed Nader Raider… I’m disappointed he’s running again…!
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Hang in there Lahoma..he’ll get it eventually!.. Remember, men need a little more time and a few more repitions…(maybe a board would work - my wife uses that pretty effectively).
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T QUIT!!
Thank you for that!!!
I have to post this from think progress, sorry it’s off topic teddy;
how the HELL is this president still in office?, how the HELL is rice still employed and payed by US?, how THE HELL was that not broadcast day and night during the hearings?
man
After a week like this one, I think looking at the glass half-full is really important.
Especially if it’s 52% full and still filling!
good advice,
I’m devoting my weekend to the backyard (the weeds have taken over) with only a few slight breaks for puppy luvin and roler blading *g*
Senator Clinton. You need to stop disappointing us. You may want to start acting presidential. What don’t you understand about this? Perhaps giving us a reason to like you would also help. If you are the nominee and lose to McCain, who exactly to you think I’m going to blame. McCain? Not hardly. The implications are far reaching. Do you grasp what I’m getting at? Many of us are maybe running out of patience with your act.
there are people who were so sure the president was right, so invested their entire reputation on the validity of this administration, that they cannot possibly agree they were wrong
cognitive dissonance and escalating commitment
those are the two conditions that bring us where we are today
Thank you!
Wouldn’t it be great if Obama and HRC spent 20% more time in any given speech bashing McCain as they do bashing the other?
The thing that will win this campaign is crushing McCain and the republicans. Each of them should be trying to outdo the other at crushing the r’s. The more they bash McCain, the less harsh they will look in bashing each other.
Thanks Teddy. Positive works. In all things. We must all try to remain positive. We can only control our own affect and must remain positive in spite of everything.
I remain a Senator Obama supporter. But I cannot stand Bush and McCain.
Is anybody out there as angry with the Clintons as we are?
did I say there were only two conditions?
well there are a number of them
I would like to add number three, that would be the condition known as “intelectually deficient”
that one is high on the list
Thankfully, neither can the majority of the rest of America!
Exactly Perris. They’re a little embarrassed by what they’ve done, so admitting at this point they were wrong in supporting Bush would result in a lot of angry finger pointing by their friends and relatives! Dumbasses.
Clinton has started most of this.
Let’s remember we “hear” the candidates through the TraditionalMedia filter — and TradMed is invested in conflict, tearing down Democrats, and making John McCain look like a statesman above the fray.
Seeking out and spreading wide the statements our candidates make about McCain — and those made by really eloquent talkers like Doctor Dean — is our job. We need to make sure voters hear what’s wrong with McCain, because TradMed won’t.
Perris, as I commented on Marcy’s Darth thread, notice the stridency of Dick Clarke’s memos as it got closer to 9/11… Culminating in the Aug 26th PDB; “Bin Ladin Determined to strike…!”
Forget about the 3am call, he missed ‘em all…! 8-(
The Republican Party (the party of liars, thieves, bigots and perverts - the new LTBP Party) marches in lockstep to whatever talking-point-du-jour is emailed to them. That the Democrats get in each other’s face over issues is equivalent to a cardinal sin in their universe. You can see it every time you look/listen at/to Hannity, Matthews, et al. And Republican campaign staffers don’t do stupid shit.
“The sky is falling! The sky is falling!”
Fuck em.
uh oh KO on
Wow per Clinton
Monster comment was an ad hoc attack
but
Ken Star comment was historical reference
She is making it hard for me to take her seriously right now
I’m bullshit, Kiddo. ;-)
I wished Obama’s aide had NOT resigned today. By resigning, she fell into the same trap that the republicans put Edwards’ female bloggers.
We needed Obama to stand up for a woman’s right to have her own opinions for crying out loud! That said. He’s a better person than Hillary any day.
Sorry Teddy, you’re living in a dream world. If Obama is nominated, millions of Clinton supporters (especially white workig class folk and Latinos) will either vote for McCain or won’t vote. If Clinton is nominated, Obama supporters (especially young voters and new voters) will be infuriated. Millions of them won’t vote for Clinton.
Remember, most states are not up for grabs. New York, California, Massachusetts and many others are going democratic no matter who is nominated. Texas, South Carolina, Mississippi, etc. are going Republican whether conservatives hate McCain or not. The states that matter (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, maybe New Mexico, maybe Nevada, maybe Louisiana, maybe Virginia, maybe a few others) need a united Democratic Party if those electoral votes are to be had. With either Obama or Clinton as our nominee we will not have a united Democratic Party. The Democrats are on the verge of losing the most winable presidential election in a generation. There’s plenty of blame to go around.
The Democrats have exactly one chance; they need to nominate a candidate that both Clinton and Obama supporters can agree on. After neither Clinton or Obama wins the nomination on the first ballot, all the delegates are free to vote for whomever they want. We desperately need a compromise candidate. The only logical one is the white male now hanging out at home in Tennessee. Al Gore anyone?
Denying the gravity of the situation (which progressive blog world is doing in a big way) is a recipe for electoral disaster. Without a compromsie candidate, it won’t matter whether Clinton or Obama is to blame, we will have lost.
In politics, only one thing counts; winning!
Hillary is a Monster….no different than the current crop we have in the White House. Does America want change? Some do and those are the ones voting for Obama. The End.
So that means it’s also good for Repuplicans, right?
/s
tuttle, it’s as if bush is on the same team as al qaeda, to stand down, to take vacation, to shoe the aids delivering that pdb on their way
if a novel were written about the decisions this man has made which helped bin laden, we wouldn’t believe it because it is too far fetched we wouldn’t have that president in irons
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....90420.html
I feel the same way. He could have done this tactfully, calling a truce to the back and forth, and even cite Pelosi, and rise above the fray.
I agree especially since she won’t apologize for what Wolfson said. My hope is that he rehires her and basically tells the media that while her comments may have not been appropriate, they are no more inappropriate than that of Wolfson. My solution to all this extra energy (frustration) is to make phone calls this weekend to PA
I still haven’t given up on The Hague…! *g*
So, WigWag, if I make it to Denver as a delegate from Texas, I’ll go for Gore.
I clearly understand your point. And agree with what you are telling me. But somehow I wish that the forced to resign aid could have thought of a little better way of saying the same sort of thing. Hope you are having a good Friday night. ;0)
The Friday dump. Lord, he is pathetic.
I agree Kemo & Wobblybits. Hire her back and then use it as a way to go CONSTITUTIONAL-BATSHIT-CRAZY on Hillary’s ass by stating there is such a thing as opinions and the freedom of speech. If she doesn’t like it, then she shouldn’t be running for the presidency since the Constitution is the base of it.
Me too. I wish she was still there.
I am not willing to go on record as thinking of Senator Clinton as a “monster”. But I will however state that I view the Senator as ruthless.
Yep. I wished she had said something to the effect of: “What I said was insulting to those who have not seen what we’ve seen in the White House over the last eight years”.
Or something like that. ;-)
I’m having a good night, but am thinking of hitting the hay early. Winter has kicked my butt to the curb. I am literally exhausted. Can’t explain it, but let’s just say my eyelids for the past week have felt like I have a banana on each eyelid. LOL
Monster doesn’t mean what it used to, just like “pimp” doesn’t.
On KO, Obama won Texas (delegate wise)
I will state for the record however, that I view George W. Bush as a war criminal. Now if one wants to call a war criminal a monster, I would have no objections.
If your goal is to elect a democrat, that would be wise.
The one thing the Republicans really dislike is being known as torturers, since they are torturers, I think it needs to be rubbed in whenever there is an opportunity.
Republicans endorse torture and will do anything Torture Man Bush tells them to do….like all good Germans.
Achtung Baby.
Now there’s an image. . .I’m Chichita Banana and I’m here to say!
Yeppers, the CIA would certainly be lacking the necessary tools… WTF?
You sleep tight tonight my friend. Lahoma says hello. She reads your comments.
okk and Lahoma
The Democratic Party primary process continues and all eyes are on Wyoming. Wyoming? Gosh, I bet the people in Wyoming are surprised.
OldMayfly
LOL So true. I can’t count how many times I’ve called George Bush & Dick Cheney a Monster on my blog over the time I’ve had it. The word just slips off my fingers as I type.
Monsters are no longer green skinned, scaly, and breathing fire. Nope. They’ve taken a human form and play dirty tricks to win elections and to keep Americans diverted from the real issues of the day. Modern day Monsters they are.
” So when you read that “Democrats are in disarray” and “this primary system is killing the party” and “the GOP must be loving this,” do not believe it. Because it is not true. “
The MainStreamMedia is pushing this view because they are afraid of the people getting any more energized, which is not good news for their corporate masters.
” A majority of Americans now call themselves Democrats. That percentage rose throughout our Presidential primary process as our many compelling candidates debated across this country, proposing commonsense solutions to the problems faced by American families. And those candidates offered Americans an alternative to the corruption, warmongering, crony mismanagement, and inhuman callousness of the past seven years.”
Wyoming is now expecting a record turnout! I want ever state to be contested because I want McCain’s state turnout to be compared to the Dem turnout.
Bwahahaha! Evil Laugh Time
The primaries may not be bad for the party, but Clinton’s statements of late sure are. She is killing Obama’s chances in the general, and I, for one, am getting sick and tired of it. That’s the Clinton way, though. It’s all about them, the hell with anyone else.
Raven, my eyelids are in no shape right now for dancing. Thanks for the jingle though! LOL!
Raven, Have a safe trip to the airport. There’s a winter snow warning just north of you.
Everyone here is going to vote for the Dem nominee, from what I see.
Which means the revolution is 20 or so years ahead.
Great post. For the first time the primary season isn’t over after the first two contests. Every state is getting a chance to weigh in.
I think Howard Dean and the fifty state strategy has been enhanced by this process not hurt. As always there are problems but on balance I think this Democratic Party primary is a good thing.
Lot of new Democratic voters. People hate Bush and hate the war.
Great ad idea.
I have a friend in Laramie and she is excited that they (dems) matter, but I quickly pointed out that odds are against her that she’ll matter (caucus, red states, etc.) So we will see how significant or insignificant she is tomorrow.
Sorry for the sarcasm, probably a sign that I should push back from the tubes sooner rather than later
I will, Kiddo. Give Lahoma a big high five and a wink from me. ;-)
I’m mad about the Starr comment. I’m mad about her not apologizing for that.
Just remember that Clinton and Obama are fighting it out with each other now. That’s the nature of politics. They’ll have plenty of time to go after McCain. He doesn’t stand a chance against either of them, assuming elections are fair.
I’ve been away from most of the news. Did I miss something?
Yea, looks like we’ll dodge it, most often the mountains hold the real bad stuff back. thx
same shit, different day
I had a friend one time, at least I thought he was my friend
For he came to me, said “I ain’t got no place to go”
I said “take it easy man, you can come home to my house,
I’ll get you a pillow where you can rest your head”
Took him home with me, let him in my house,
Let him drive my Cadillac that I could not afford
When I found out he’d been messin’ around with my baby
You know I’m mad like Al Capone (I’m burnin’ up)
I said I’m mad (I’m burnin’ up)
Like Sonny Liston yeah (I’m burnin’ up)
You know baby I’m mad (I’m burnin’ up)
Like Cassius Clay (I’m burnin’ up)
You know I’m mad (I’m burnin’ up) you know I’m mad
Yeah baby, alright baby (I’m burnin’ up)
I’m mad, come on (I’m burnin’ up)
I think the “monster” statement was stupid, and I’m glad she resigned. It has nothing to do with whether she’s a woman or not. As far as Clinton goes, I wish she would just stop the attacks too. Just stick to the facts…(Dragnet). McSame…he’s just plain wrong and a hypocrite that cowtows to Torture Manboy…huge mistake.
The Dems need to stay above the fray. Stop it. The Dems have the country with them, don’t throw it all away with negativity.
Keep the goal in mind…stop the Neocons. Take back the country.
Three-quarters of each candidates’ current supporters say they’d be happy to see the other as the nominee, and that’s in the heat of a primary battle.
A convention has the remarkable capability to heal.
I don’t see the primary tearing the party apart. Not if we’re growing.
ymmv
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Citizen WigWag:
Respectfully, there is a reason Mrs. Clinton is losin…her negatives are outta sight and risin and of the two candidates, she is the one losin’ supporters over the mud (especially the McCain endorsement)… they’re droppin’ offa Clinton BIG TIME!
I think if you look at the polls you’ll find that Obama beats McCrazy by 12% and countin’…I’ve only seen one poll that shows Mrs. Clinton above even with ‘im. The trends in the primaries, includin Ohio and Texas show Obama makin’ up HUGE differences in very short periods (in Ohio he made up 12-15% in the last 10 dayz and Texas he was 18% out with 3 weeks ta go and made it a dead heat). The heart and soul of the new , energized voters, the young and the folks of color are cuttin’ for Obama 3-1 and they ain’t leavin’ ‘im.
So don’t fret…Clinton has been given orders by her bosses ta take Obama down and drive a wedge in the Democratic Party so that women and hispanics stay home or vote for McCain…and it ain’t workin’.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION AND KEEP YER EYES ON THE TARGET!!
i’m sure ko wil be once again compared to rush, o’liely, etc. because he is calling her on the double standards
Another way to look at the Ken Starr comment is to think this man put Hillary & Bill through hell, so in essence, she’s saying Obama and his campaign are doing the same thing. She’s attacking from a weak point. Calling her a Monster and her reacting the way she did (calling for the resignation of Obama’s aide) is also attacking from a weak point.
Adult temper tantrums are never pretty to watch. Nor are their double standards.
Awwwwwwwwwww, poor Hillary.
It’d be even worse if it were not true.
The perspective from where I operate is that I try to imagine what a McCain Administration will mean to this country and the world. Coming on the heels of the Bush years.
And when that comparison is made, “look out now cuz I’m a comin”!
Shhhhhh. *g*
The “monster” statement was stupid and she could have dodged that bullet…IMO it was the BBC interview that was fatal for her.
cool *g*
“a gaffe in politics is when you speak the truth” Milbank
KO: “[Obama] didn’t say, ‘She’s not a monster as far as I know.’”
Ha ha! I love Keith.
Well, I’m going to bed. Nite nite everyone. ;-)
Thank you Teddy, I needed that. “The process is working.”
Yup.
Loose lips sink ships.
Oh, he’s just as bad as billo.
I did like Dana Milbank’s statement that it was an accidental victory for Obama…!
FWIW, it was Howard Wolfson I believe who made the Ken Starr reference and he did it response to calls for “investigations into Clinton Real Estate deals and tax returns.”
Kinda like Ken Starr did.
So, it may be a pain but there is a history that would lead to the comparison.
Obviously YMMV
Nite Kay, Mrs. Frog says Ribbitt.
Aloha, Kay!
I just wrote a letter to the campaign stating that I think that they should bring Powers back and why I think they should bring her back. I think his response was weak (lookie here, I can criticize my candidateof choice) and would like for him to not worry about what Hillary or campaign thinks and in fact point out the numerous examples of hypocrisy
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Citizen Raven:
I’m sorry I’m sooo late with this, but I’m sorry fer yer loss…how are ya doin’?
It’s the price a growin ol