Good Morning, Christy.

‘allo…

I’d say this qualifies as intriguing. You guys?

bon voyage

marching.. as.. to.. warrrrr…

I just hope that the dems in charge think this is intriguing.

Really!

Hmmmm….begs the question…

“I saw your name..”…On a list perchance?

Hi Christy! Very intriguing indeed. Did the last round of hearings actually accomplish anything or was it just a case of “I know nothing” and “Well, okay, then…”?

If an idiot president stands up and says “I’m firin ol Joe cause I don’t like his politics and he won’t do what he’s told”, has he broken any laws.

I love Iglesias. Not. Going. Quietly. Into. The. Night.

Exactly. And in whose hands was said possible list, pray tell?

yes intriguing. and all these books are interesting too, i gotta get a copy of that follow the money one.

Hi Christy, thanks for the giggles with that furry little creature peeking out of that polka dot cup.

How bout if the same idiot pres says “I’m firin ol Joe cause I need to put a political crony in that spot”?

you know, if even one of the depraved decisions made by this president were told to us before he was placed into office, we would be certain his impeachment would have been soon to follow

we are like battered wives, the more they are exposed the more we allow them their depravity

I shudder to imagine what level of intellect it must take to become a “Bush protege.”

Mr. Sutton? Meet Mr. Subpoena…

(thinking back wistfully to the days when subpoenaeas were honored)…

apparently not if no one hears him directly…

I still believe there are more and better tales to be learned about the USAttorneys who KEPT their jobs than stories about those who LOST their jobs. Maybe this Sutton fellow is another example.

I shudder to imagine what level of intellect it must take to become a “Bush protege.”

you’ve reminded me of my schoolyard days, one of the worst things you could tell someone is;

you are so low you play handball against the sidewalk curb

that’s the answer to your question

If an idiot president falls in the forest- and every one covers their ears- is there a sound?

oh sweet jesus yes Christy - intriguing indeed

ooh and the book comes out in June

yes greenwarrior, my impression of Iglesias was just below that Eagle Scout demeanor was a gila monster who just didn’t let go once he chomped on

ps - Sutton is the USAA the wingers/Dobbs went after for imprisoning those “poor border guards” who shot an unarmed man and lied about it - plenty of spotlight all around

I love that picture. Makes me giggle…too cute.

The real issue is that since the US Attys were almost all replaced at the beginning of his term, why would Pres Clusterfuck fire some of them at once? It’s interesting timing, to say the least.

Exactly, Teddy. Siegelman, anyone?

Evil! How are you, dear one?

If an idiot president stands up and says “I’m firin ol Joe cause I don’t like his politics and he won’t do what he’s told”, has he broken any laws.

They serve at the pleassure of the president - so - no.

However, the Bush WH has always said that they had nothing to do with it. Nope, wasn’t us, so of course we have no documents or evidence to offer any Committee - just leave us out of it.

Not illegal, just embarrassing as hell.

Evil! How are you, dear one?

Getting along.

I have never understood an “ends justifies whatever means I need to give you, dear leader” mentality. And yet…here we are, 7+ years into this mess of a unilateral executive and his minion brigade. Blergh.

LOL. i used to love playing handball as a kid. there wasn’t a place in our schoolyard, but i got to play with my friend’s dad at the park near them when i got to do sleepovers.

Well if the idiot fired attorneys to interfere with investigations or prosecutions they were conducting- then it’s against the law as I understand it. If he did it just because he didn’t like their politics- then???? Well anyway- that’s my question.

Some interesting stuff on Johnny Sutton:

http://www.narconews.com/Issue38/article1374.html

no law broken , but why isn’t there courage to impeach this pleasureless president. was there
a bunch of courage in 1973 to impeach Nixon? What did Hillary Rodam know then that she doesn’t know now??

If I am reading this correctly, this means that USA Sutton knew before hand that Iglesias was getting the Axe for political reasons because he saw his name? And that he had close ties to Rove due to prior dealings? Is that correct?
I think Mr. Sutton definitely needs to testify to congress.

Also, is there not an investigation being conducted by the OPC regarding Iglesias dismissal? And what is the status of that investigation other than stonewall and delay for 311 more days?

I still think this is the scandal, especially the Siegelman variation, that will put fredo and Rove in jail. Or at least force the chimp to pardon them and ’splain himself.

You have to say that things haven’t worked out well for Ol Clusterfuck….

He started two wars and won neither. His vision for the economy has turned to shit.

He lost congress for his party and now will probably help em lose the White House

We have the biggest deficits in history- crafted out of surpluses he was handed

The price of Oil stands above $100 per barrel.

etc. etc. etc.

He’s fucked up everything- who would expect him to do a good job with the justice dept?

I think Mr. Sutton definitely needs to testify to congress.

How’s his memory?

Could we have a thread without Hillary?

I used to love what I now know were “challenge courts”

we would all sit around, wathcing the games, next up to try to beat the person that was beating everyone else

I had one superstar that nobody ever beat, his name was “joey lynch”

he could and would call killers, man we had tons of fun in that schoolyard

I remember a “hinder” we called “hindu” and I never learned where “hindu” came from until I started playing raquet ball and found out it was reall “hinder”

good memories…now the kids will remember packman in the same lore

The cause of a firing is notoriously hard to prove. Management will always claim the firing is due to “poor performance” and, since the information on the firing is held only by management, proving another cause can be quite a challenge. There is no incentive for anyone to turn state’s evidence, since those with knowledge are culpable.

Yes- it’s hard to prove- still my question was whether or not it is illegal to fire US Attorneys for political reasons.

So many of Rove’s actions are repeats of successful smaller oppo actions in his past — what other predictors are we missing?

Let’s see — the 2000 Florida Illegal Voter Purge was set in motion in 1998 by Jeb Bush and Tom Feeney, who had been Jeb’s running mate in 1994. An almost identical scheme to illegally purge minority voters was uncovered and foiled in Texas in 1982; the intended beneficiary of that purge was another Texas Governor client of Karl Rove.

They say the wheels of justice turn slowly. This DOJ has thrown a monkey wrench into them. All the AG has to do is read “Follow the Money,” send out two agents to confirm the allegations (the investigating has already been done) and indict. Don’t hold your breath. The DOJ is no less politicized now than under Gonzo. I bet the new administration (Democrat) won’t do anythging about it either. There is a 50/50 chance they become as corrupt as those in power now. They sure have learned a lot about deceit, lies, corruption, smears, stealing elections and plain hatefulness. It is difficult for me to even think our country can get bact to pre Bush standing in the world. This dimwit has flushed us down the toilet. As the submariner said in “Red October,” “You ass! You have killed us!”

Sutton was likely carrying a message- and someone gave it to him. It would be embarassing if it was Rove- but Rove’s gone- and Gonzo’s gone- and Clusterfuck’s about to be gone- so who do ya put in jail and for what?

Mr. Sutton? Meet Mr. Subpoena…

But who do you have that has the guts to subpoena and then to enforce that subpoena? We have a broken government that no longer cares about the rule of law, the separation of powers, who has the balance of power, or checks and balances. Gotta give ‘em credit; they knew what they were doing: corrupt the DOJ first and everything after that will be easy. They don’t even care about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or Habeas Corpus, for pity sake!

Wouldn’t that depend on the definition of what kind of political purposes…if the political purpose is to obstruct justice or to cause injustice…that sort of sounds pretty illegal. It would be the underlying issues that are the problem, not the actual firing, I would think.

This issue amounts to a detail, albeit important, when evaluated in the context of preventing the myopic Clintons from obtaining control over this issue next January. And we can all surmise what will happen in that event.

If called I predict he will exhibit CRS (cant’ remember shit) Syndrome.

1,778 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

While the revelations in the Ignatius book are revealing and give a few more legs to the whole scandal, I’m afraid that we are all lookin’ only at the shadow of the beast which is to say, the cover-up of crimes instead of the crimes themselves. The crimes bein’ covered are the interference with criminal prosecutions, the initiation of investigations to destroy political opponents and the bringin’ of charges of voter fraud in the absence of evidence. I am all for keepin’ this entire thing up front and out there daily but let’s not let it divert attention from the bigger deal of tyin’ this corruption to Bush-McCain.

It’s always the cover-up that gets ‘em but as a result the underlyin’ crimes and their perpetrators skate…only to come back to haunt us later. Richard Nixon anyone?

KEEP THE FAITH, PASS THE AMMUNITION AND KEEP YER EYES ON THE TARGET!!

I shudder to imagine what level of intellect it must take to become a “Bush protege.”

NONE! Their chief weapons are…. FEAR… SURPRISE… and an almost fanatical dedication to the DOPE!!

If an idiot president stands up and says “I’m firin ol Joe cause I don’t like his politics and he won’t do what he’s told”, has he broken any laws.

The President just sees this as insubordination. Really pays off to have a President with and MBA, don’t it?!! (Yes, I do know it should be doesn’t it! Why do you ask?)

Which is why strong progressive caucus building is so important right now, even more so that the presidency.

Maybe “political reasons” is too broad a term. As LS @ 42 says, some “political reasons” would be illegal.

We know, everything goes back to the Clintons……..

LS @ 47

clinton brainstorming is down thread.

Yes- I think that if Clusterfuck fires and attorney in order to stop him from prosecuting someone- or perhaps because he refuses to conduct a political prosecution, you might have obstruction problems- as I said up thread. Otherwise, though, I’m not sure it’s illegal. Do you know?

Which is why strong progressive caucus building is so important right now, even more so that the presidency.

I don’t agree. They’ve already corrupted the DOJ. If they take the Presidency and they get the courts in their pockets completely, the progressive caucus is sunk. They’ll do to any progressive that fights them what was done to Siegelman.

per the McClatchy article -

Sutton was the chairman of the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee of U.S. Attorneys.

material witness ?, material fact ?

let’s do a little googling, shall we ?

I think if cornered in any way he will suddenly remember he needs to spend more time with Andy Card’s family.

you’re NOT gonna believe this, as reported at think progress;

oliver traitor north blames the bombing in new york on pelosi and the democrats

we need to jail this criminal

OT - Hillary says she “would not accept” a do-over caucus in Michigan.

http://www.usnews.com/articles.....sippi.html

Thinks she’s president already, methinks. Or perhaps head of the DNC.

She could, I suppose, always refuse to put her name on the Michigan ballot. I mean, Obama’s name wasn’t on the Michigan ballot the first time, so fair is fair, right?

Here’s the link:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/07/north-pelosi/

It’s not in her interest to accept a do-over when she can argue that she’s already got those delegates, now is it? This is politics — they are going to start from polar opposite negotiating stances because that’s what they do. Honestly, can we not jump on every little press release and spin feeler today? Because I’ve really just about had all I can stomach of the primary news today…

no problem - I’m out.

Mwahahaha — Colbert rocks.

Which is why strong progressive caucus building is so important right now, even more so that the presidency.

When I worked at the steel mill, there was a rule that if you missed more than three consecutive days of work, you had to bring a doctor’s excuse in. We had a girl who we all knew was gaming the system, but my supervisor was complaining about this one day. So I said, “But she brought her Dr’s excuse!” to which he replied, “If you go to the doctor and say that you’re sick, what’s he gonna tell you? That you’re not?” The point is, we may all know that the GWB administration is gaming the system, but who are you gonna be able to prove it to and how?

Well, isn’t this special! Ollie North blames Pelosi and the House Democrats for the Times Square bombing.

Right on–Lets get 60 D’s in the senate in November. Lets talk up the Vermont indictment
Tuesday.

oliver traitor north blames the bombing in new york on pelosi and the democrats

and it still is Canada’s fault:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheL.....038;page=1

Well, isn’t this special! Ollie North blames Pelosi and the House Democrats for the Times Square bombing.

what a friggin magot

if you wanted to blame one person for al qaeda and bin laden you can look square into the eyes of this traitor and his iran contra treason

Maybe we can send him a case of “Ginkoba” before the testimony!!

Okay — that one should have come with a spew warning…

Another Victory for America!

http://citizen-times.com/apps/.....1/80306044

Because apparently the Founding Fathers didn’t risk their lives to build a nation of unobstructed sidewalks.

Extremely.
What irks me no end is the response I get from those on the right wing who I talk to about it.
They parrot the line that these US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President, so what’s the big deal?
Would they see it differently if all the Bush cronies got fired? I think so.

omfg, @ obl/colbert clip, lmao

Yeah, I don’t get that either. Especially where, as in the case of Iglesias, you have a sitting US Senator and a Rep. who may have stuck their hand into the mix to push for his firing over a failure to push a politicized prosecution. So many questions…so few answers.

I know, I should have posted a spew warning with that link. *g*

Thanks — hope you don’t mind, but after three straight threads on the primary this morning, I’m primaried out at the moment. I need an endless primary mini-vacation… *g*

Then there’s the case of Paul Charleton who was investigating Rick Renzi when he got fired. It’s frustrating to the nth degree!

Yeah, and that postponed Renzi’s indictment for a few months and netted him some serious charges anyway. The whole thing stinks to high heaven…and reeks of Karl’s Math. I just wish we had more dots to connect on this instead of so many open-ended questions…

Sorry. You should be finished w/ morning tea/coffee anyway!! All attempts @ humor will now cease.

Great post Christy, I agree.. I’m in primary overload

Sorry. You should be finished w/ morning tea/coffee anyway!!

Now it’s lunchtime coffee going up my nose…!

Here you go, Steve — a little visual vacay just for you. (And anyone else who clicks it…enjoy!)

‘intriguing’ samples

from a 3/20/7 fdl thread

Notice how all of the e-mail recipients and carbon copies on page 29 are DOJ bigwigs…and then Johnny Sutton is tacked on the end. Why is he being included in e-mails regarding the firing of his peers?

What makes the e-mail on this page even more strange is the fact that Kyle Sampson is initiating the e-mail in response to a phone call from William Kelley (Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy Counsel). Wouldn’t a courtesy cc back to William Kelley be appropriate? Especially since Sampson is soliciting feedback on whether to carry through on an idea stemming from a conversation with Kelley?

Or is there an attempt here to NOT include the White House in written communication? Hence, the inclusion of Sutton who worked for Bush in Texas from 1995-2000.

jayt: They serve at the pleassure of the president - so - no.

Oh, please — not this nonsense again!

While it IS customary for the US Attorneys to resign from DOJ when a NEW president is elected, it is highly unusual for a president beginning a second term to remove a US Attorney that HE appointed.

Not only is it unusual, it tends to make one wonder what said President is trying to cover up by taking said action.

Oh, man. Ding.

Also to Christy @ 78 and to Ann @ 81:

that postponed Renzi’s indictment for a few months

This is where it starts to fall into place for me. Not so much what somebody’s new book is going to say, but the nuts-and-bolts of dirty GOP officeholders getting at least an extra year in office, if not an entire session of Congress in office, when they should have been indicted even before their last re-election. Another way of buying control of the House — pay off your prosecutors to forebear indicting GOP members (or fire the prosecutors who are so defiant as to indict GOP members). That sort of concerted action is where we can begin to construct the criminal conspiracy to pack the legislative branch with criminals, proving a criminal enterprise to violate election law. Can anyone say RICO?

I’ve been to Yosemite, one of the five best trips of my life. The Sierra Nevada is in that list, too.

I thought that was SUCH a gorgeous shot, too. Just beautiful…

and then Johnny Sutton is tacked on the end. Why is he being included in e-mails regarding the firing of his peers?

The way that is phrased I would say it could also be a form of intimidation.

I can just see Karl rubbing his hands together in glee when he got word of Obama’s name and Rezko’s name in the same sentence…There must be some serious there, there.

Remember in the emails, someone referred to the current issue or something…maybe that was in reference to San Diego though…might be worth revisiting the Charleton related emails for clues and the Iglesias emails, wherever the heck they are…

well, I know I can never get shots to look like that, so I always assume it’s a genius artist with fancy filters and ginormous lenses who sat in a canoe in the dark for hours to catch the first rays of dawn. Sorta’ like Ansel Adams, those kinda guys. Can’t touch that.

we are like battered wives, the more they are exposed the more we allow them their depravity

This is a great analogy.

i’m out — lunch

Ah, but every Federal Employee gets a copy of their performance reviews, and even US Attorneys are subject to the same. The review takes place 3 times a year, and specifies just how well or ill the employee is doing.

In these cases, if management says “poor performance” and the employee pulls out their copies of their performance reviews showing “fully satisfactory” or “exceeds expectations” do you really think anyone will buy management’s side of the story?

These forms are signed and dated by the employee, their supervisor and the supervisor’s supervisor. And bonuses are paid to employees based on how well they performed in the prior rating period. And those bonuses have paperwork showing why they were awarded.

This bird, Caracara (Mexican Eagle) is flying around outside my house in the wind currents:

http://www.montereybay.com/cre.....-BLS-w.jpg

better bring in the puppy!

Lucky you ! We used to have beautiful doves in my condo complex with their soft coos that I loved and we now have lots of crows who drove the doves out. I detest the crows - they make so much noise.

Viva the freewaybloggers! Living near Aville, that article made my indie ISP reading list and definitely MADE my day. Meant to post it at some time today but ya beat me to it. Assume ya’ll have some instant alert system. *G*

fyi - tpm muck promising more from the book “later”

Paul Kiel - a passage from the book, not quoted in McClatchy article -

It took a minute for the implications to sink in. “Where?” I finally asked. “You mean, there’s some sort of list?”

“I can’t speak to that,” he answered blandly, and I knew, at that moment, that it was useless to continue. (emphasis mine)

am I overly caffeinated or is that “that” significant ?

Long live the freewayblogger!!!!

Subject: Please Contribute

The George W. Bush Presidential Library is now in the planning stages.
You’ll want to be the first on your block to make a contribution to this
great man’s legacy.

The Library will include: The Hurricane Katrina Room, which is still under
construction. The Alberto Gonzales Room, where you can’t remember anything.
The Texas Air National Guard Room, where you don’t have to even show up.

The Walter Reed Hospital Room, where they don’t let you in. The Guantanamo
Bay Room, where they don’t let you out. The Weapons of Mass Destruction Room(which no one has been able to find).

The Iraq War Room. After you complete your first tour, they make you go
back for a second, third, fourth, and sometimes fifth tours. The Dick Cheney Room in the famous undisclosed location, complete with shooting gallery.

Plans also include: The K-Street Project Gift Shop where you can buy (or
just steal) an election. The Airport Men’s Room, where you can meet some of
your favorite Republican Senators. Last, but not least, there will be an
entire floor devoted to a 7/8 scale model of the President’s ego.

To highlight the President’s accomplishments, the museum will have an
electron microscope to help you locate them. When asked, President Bush said that he didn’t care so much about the individual exhibits as long as his museum was better than his father’s.

My yard is full of fat, fat doves. They seem to thrive on kitty food. The cats are happy to share!

Posted without a spew alert?! I’m still howling!

sorry, i’m kinda in an onery mood today

Brilliant.

that’s a heckuva museum!